President Forever Policy Planks

[MODU]

Wow, jfern is much more moderate than I would have guessed (maybe it's because of the bad wording).  I'll run MODU (D) vs. StatesRights (R)

ACK!  I guess the program can't handle "Independent," huh?  hehehe

[nini2287]

Wallnofer/Cheney 48% 291 EV
MODU/Edwards 47% 247 EV
Nader 3%

WI was the closest state.  StatesRights was able to make some headway into VT and MA.  MODU came relatively close in IN and NC.

[MODU]

hehehe . . . at least I retain Virginia. 

[??????????]

hehehe . . . at least I retain Virginia. 

Minnesota makes no sense.

[MODU]

hehehe . . . at least I retain Virginia. 

Minnesota makes no sense.

Well, it is a simulation based off of generic answers to a survey.  If they went by our actual positions, the whole map could be completely different.

[??????????]

hehehe . . . at least I retain Virginia. 

Minnesota makes no sense.

Well, it is a simulation based off of generic answers to a survey.  If they went by our actual positions, the whole map could be completely different.

Could? I'd only win the old Confederacy and that's about it.

[MODU]

HAHAHA . . . true.  It would be interesting to see how the nation would react to some of my platforms in real life.  Almost makes you want to run for the office just to see what kind of feedback you get. 

[Shilly]

That does it....I want to run against opebo.

Not a contest. Still, opebo overperformed in the southwest and came close in Texas.

[MODU]

Poor poor Washington State.  *sigh*  You would think they'd know better.  hahaha

[afleitch]

I got me friend again to run myself against Dave Hawk

Afleitch 48.1 - 288 EV
DaveHawk 48.0 - 250 EV

Talk about a Solid South Apparently I won California by a gnats wing, so maybe in real life that would have went on to a recount....

[TeePee4Prez]

//Abortion
[ ] Unrestricted access to abortions. (L)
[X] Legal abortions in the first two trimesters for the mother's health. (CL)
[ ] Legal abortions in the first trimester for the mother's health. (C)
[ ] No legal abortions, except to save the mother's life or rape. (CR)
[ ] No legal abortions. (R)

//Affirmative Action
[ ] Make all federal agencies follow strict quotas. (L)
[ ] Diversity is a compelling reason for affirmative action. (CL)
[ ] The benefits of diversity can justify affirmative action. (C)
[X] Affirmative action programs only in certain cases. (CR)
[ ] Abolish all federal affirmative action programs. (R)

//Balanced Budget
[ ] A deficit is fine - focus on social programs. (L)
[ ] Military spending is more important than the deficit. (CL)
[X] Balance lowering the deficit with other priorities. (C)
[ ] A Balanced Budget amendment to eliminate the deficit. (CR)
[ ] Eliminate all national debt as quickly as possible. (R)

//Business Tax
[ ] Significantly increase business taxation. (L)
[X] Increase business taxation. (CL)
[ ] Businesses are taxed the right amount. (C)
[ ] Reduce business taxation. (CR)
[ ] Significantly reduce business taxation. (R)

//Campaign Finance Reform
[ ] Elections are rigged for the two parties - we need major reform! (L)
[ ] We need to significantly reduce corporate donations. (CL)
[X] We need to put more power into smaller donors' hands. (C)
[ ] The McCain/Feingold bill is sufficient. (CR)
[ ] No campaign finance reform is needed. (R)

//Ecology
[ ] The environment must be our first national priority. (L)
[ ] Good environmental policies are good economic policies. (CL)
[X] Balance environmental policies with sound economic policies. (C)
[ ] Economic policies must come before environmental policies. (CR)
[ ] The environment is fine, we don't need to worry about it. (R)

//Education
[ ] No school vouchers, large increase to federal funding. (L)
[X] No school vouchers, increase federal funding. (CL)
[ ] Lower-income school vouchers, increase federal funding. (C)
[ ] School vouchers for lower-income students. (CR)
[ ] School vouchers for anyone. (R)

//Free Trade
[ ] We need to erect large tariff barriers to protect all our industries. (L)
[ ] Some industries need to be protected. (CL)
[X] Open markets should be approached with caution. (C)
[ ] Most markets should be open. (CR)
[ ] All markets should be open! (R)

//Gun Control
[ ] Ban all guns! (L)
[X] Ban certain guns, and require registration/background checks. (CL)
[ ] Guns control is a state issue. (C)
[ ] We should be very wary of gun control. (CR)
[ ] Gun ownership is constitutionally protected - no gun control! (R)

//Same-Sex Marriage
[X] Same-sex marriage is a constitutional right. (L)
[ ] Same-sex marriage, even if not in name. (CL)
[ ] Retain marriage as it is, but explore civil unions. (C)
[ ] Marriage is between a man and a woman. (CR)
[ ] Homosexuals need to be treated for their condition. (R)

//Immigration
[ ] Immigration is great, illegal immigrants granted amnesty. (L)
[ ] Legal immigration is great. (CL)
[X] Legal immigration is fine, but immigration laws must be obeyed. (C)
[ ] Reduce legal immigration, crack down on illegal immigration. (CR)
[ ] Immigration is destroying the country, stop all immigration now! (R)

//Military Funding
[ ] Drastically cut military funding, establish a Department of Peace. (L)
[X] We should decrease military funding. (CL)
[ ] Keep military budget the same, look to be more efficient. (C)
[ ] Increase the military budget, but find ways to be more efficient. (CR)
[ ] We need to significantly increase military funding to meet new threats. (R)

//Military Intervention
[ ] Military intervention is another way of saying 'empire building'. (L)
[X] For humanitarian causes or if we are attacked. (CL)
[ ] Only if we are attacked. (C)
[ ] Only if our national interests are threatened. (CR)
[ ] We can and should use our military might to further our own interests. (R)

//Personal Tax
[ ] Increase income tax for everyone. (L)
[X] Increase income tax for the rich. (CL)
[ ] Reduce income tax for lower- and middle-class tax brackets. (C)
[ ] Reduce income tax across the board. (CR)
[ ] Reduce income tax for the rich. (R)

//Public Health Care
[ ] We need a completely public health care system. (L)
[X] Universal health care, whether public or private. (CL)
[ ] Public health care benefits for the poor and elderly, the rest private. (C)
[ ] Only a few public health care benefits. (CR)
[ ] The health care system should be completely private. (R)

//Renewable Energy
[ ] Renewable energy all the way! (L)
[ ] We should focus on renewable energy sources. (CL)
[X] Renewable and non-renewable energy must be equally researched. (R)
[ ] Coal and oil are our main concerns right now. (CR)
[ ] We don't need to worry about renewable energy sources. (R)

//Social Security
[ ] No to any private investment, dramatically increase funding. (L)
[ ] No to private investment, increase funding. (CL)
[X] Keep social security as it is. (C)
[ ] Let workers privately invest some of their social security payments. (CR)
[ ] Let workers privately invest all social security payments. (R)

//Terrorism
[ ] We should surrender to the terrorists. (L)
[X] We need to fight the cause of terrorism, economic and social injustice. (CL)
[ ] Focus on better foreign policy, but use military force if we must. (C)
[ ] We should not hesitate to use military force against terrorism. (CR)
[ ] Terrorism can only be stopped one way: military force. (R)

[MODU]

I got me friend again to run myself against Dave Hawk

Afleitch 48.1 - 288 EV
DaveHawk 48.0 - 250 EV

Talk about a Solid South Apparently I won California by a gnats wing, so maybe in real life that would have went on to a recount....

Now THAT is a much better map.  Finally a swing that doesn't involve just the recent toss-up states.

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

someone try me against opebo

[bullmoose88]

I would like to run against Hawk (a respectable populist).

[adam]

Me vs. Opebo

Me - 55% - 415 EVs
Opebo -  42% - 123 EVs

An intresting election, I guess. Opebo had a strong surge at the end, considering that in the second to last poll he was only leading in Massachucettes, Rhode Island, and DC. I played as Gary Nolan and didn't interfere.

[afleitch]

I would like to run against Hawk (a respectable populist).

See my map of me vs Dave above It could be something similar. I will, if no one else will do it, try and get my weary online friend to run it

[bullmoose88]

I would like to run against Hawk (a respectable populist).

See my map of me vs Dave above It could be something similar. I will, if no one else will do it, try and get my weary online friend to run it

it would be similar...but slightly different.

Our homestate advantages might throw things off...(I might still lose PA to him but do better in the Northeast).

[Josh/Devilman88]

Can some one run me against statesright?

[adam]

Could someone run me against TheWildCard? That will be intresting.

[jokerman]

Can someone buy these people a copy of the game?

[bullmoose88]

Can someone buy these people a copy of the game?

I have it...but am too lazy/coding challenged to build the character files.

[Shilly]

I am thinking of doing another President Forever tournament.

Should I?

[afleitch]

I am thinking of doing another President Forever tournament.

Should I?

Yes

I've been playing about with the positions everyone has selected. I have given Left positions 1 point, Centre 3 and Right 5. I've only done the responses on the 1st page so far.

Earl 1.89
Boss Tweed 2.33
Nym 2.33
Preston 3.00
Frodo 3.11
Josh 3.11
Hawk 3.17
Bullmoose 3.23
Berger 3.33
Afleitch 3.61
Fezzy 3.89
Jedi 3.89
Emsworth 4.00

As you can see; the scores are heavily weighted when it comes to economic issues, see Emsworth and Josh for example.

[MODU]

Can someone buy these people a copy of the game?

I don't think I've ever seen the game in the stores.  I first heard about it on this thread. 

[© tweed]

Can someone buy these people a copy of the game?

I don't think I've ever seen the game in the stores.  I first heard about it on this thread. 

No, it has to be downloaded.  I've had the demo for two years now and by changing the election dates in the scenarios you can play the game with the demo, albeit with shorter campaigns.