Nixon runs again in 1964

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Nixon, no contest. Easily the less slimy and corrput of the two.

[Josh/Devilman88]

Nixon...

[Reaganfan]

Tricky Dick.

[© tweed]

Nixon, but LBJ would have won.

[PBrunsel]

I vote for Nixon. Nixon would have done much better than Goldwater.

[© tweed]

I vote for Nixon. Nixon would have done much better than Goldwater.

Agreed.  But he still would have lost.

Kinda like 1984; Hart would have won a handful of states, but still would have lost decisively.

[PBrunsel]

Nixon would have lost, and Reagan would have been the nominee in 1968.

[© tweed]

Nixon would have lost, and Reagan would have been the nominee in 1968.

...and Reagan would have lost ot Humphrey BIG.  Reagan would have played the role of Goldwater.

[lidaker]

LBJ all the way. I won't risk the Civil Rights Act.

[PBrunsel]

Nixon would have lost, and Reagan would have been the nominee in 1968.

...and Reagan would have lost ot Humphrey BIG.  Reagan would have played the role of Goldwater.

HUmphrey was too liberal and boring. Reagan would have been charismatic and won a landslide over Humphrey. Vietnam would of still ahppened, hurting Humphrey and giving Reagan victory in 1968.

[lidaker]

Nixon would have lost, and Reagan would have been the nominee in 1968.

...and Reagan would have lost ot Humphrey BIG.  Reagan would have played the role of Goldwater.

HUmphrey was too liberal and boring. Reagan would have been charismatic and won a landslide over Humphrey. Vietnam would of still ahppened, hurting Humphrey and giving Reagan victory in 1968.

A film star with one year of political experience beating the folksy Humphrey with 17 years in the senate and 4 years as vp behind him? I don't think so.

Remember Reagan only came to power because of Watergate and Carter. It took the American people quite a while too accept Reagan as an alternative even in the election of 1980. In '68 he would have lost badly.

[PBrunsel]

Let's remember Reagan was very popular in 1968. He did not even campaign for president in 1968, yet he won more than 120 delegate votes at the Republican Convention.

Regan was called the "rising star of the West" after all.

[TheWildCard]

I'd vote Nixon but I'd have to agree he'd probably lose.

[PBrunsel]

Lyndon Johnson: 358

Richard Nixon: 145

Southern Democratic Electors: 35

This is not based on the poll, but it is what I think would have happened. Nixon would be strong in the West. LBJ would be strong in the South and East.

[WalterMitty]

[© tweed]

Purely a guess.  431-107

[WalterMitty]

tweed, dont forget the backlash against lbj in the south do to the civil rights bill.

[© tweed]

tweed, dont forget the backlash against lbj in the south do to the civil rights bill.

Goldwater ran a race-fueled campaign because he had nothing else to run on.  Nixon wouldn't have, and if he did, he would lose cA and NY.

[bullmoose88]

I don't think LBJ wins that many states.

I'm of the opinion that maybe nixon comes close, only losing because the american people don't want a 3rd president in 18 months.

The reason LBJ won so many states was due to the fact that Goldwater ran a reactionary campaign that made it easy to brand him an extremist [Daisy anyone?] (I doubt Goldwater was, he just had a poor strategy, and an ideology that wasn't in favor during the sixties)

Nixon could have run a friendly pro-civil rights campaign...maybe won the upper south (like he did in 1960...ie Kentucky, TN, VA) some of the northeast, most of the midwest, and the pacific west and some of the traditional mountain west states....

comes close...but not close enough

(tries to do a map)



Johnson 274 EVs
Nixon 264 EVs

LBJ barely keeps hold of the south...wins IL (cook county again) and PA (new deal state, Nixon couldn't even win it in 68, but its close)...the upper south barely goes democratic...and I'm mulling the possibility of a 3rd party run by wallace in 64 and not 68 in this scenario...

whatcha think

[JohnFKennedy]

Wallace wouldn't run in '64, he only became Governor of Alabama in '62.