Same-Sex schools

[Ebowed]

The benefits said by people is that it allows the kids to focus more on the schoolwork instead of the girl sitting next to them.

This is a good idea if you want teenage use of pornography to increase.

[MODU]

Focusing just on the first question, I say the state can allow private schools to be same-sex, but not when it comes to public schools.  It would be a waste of money (since additional schools would eventually be needed to carry this out without sending students two to three times the usual traveling distances in order to segregate the kids).

You (& Vlad) have a point here, but then do you support vouchers, or would the parents have to pay on their own?

For sex-based segregation?  No.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Parents already have the option for same-sex schools - private education.

I do not see why the state should be involved in sexual segregation.  It's not really that harmful, but I don't see the benefits in separation.  As it is a public institution, it would make sense for there not to be any genetic (the way you were born) discrimination, except in extreme circumstances.  There seems to be a mild benefit of exposing children to the realities of a multi-sex world, and a mild benefit of streamlining the system a little bit.  I guess I don't see the reason why parents need a free alternative to coed education.

I don't care what the ACLU does about it.  I'll just vote NO/YES/YES just because I'm a fan of the ACLU recently.  If anyone wants to present some argumentation for optional same-sex public schools, shoot.

1st, private schools cost $$$$$$$.  It's not that I think the schools SHOULD be segregated, it's that I don't think that there shouldnt' be the option.  The benefits said by people is that it allows the kids to focus more on the schoolwork instead of the girl sitting next to them.

Well, if you advocate spending hundreds of thousands of dollars setting up a single-sex public shcool network, I think you need more concrete evidence that it would lead to a score improvement.  As Nym90 said, public schools do more than teach you algebra, they teach you some real-world communication skills and so on that multi-sex participation is an important part of.

It's not like the boys lose their hormones without girls around.  I've never heard of single-sex private schools doing better than multi-sex private schools, but if you want to do some Google research on it, I'm open to being convinced.

Put it this way--in the Det. Free Press, 10-13 people had their comments posted--all of which wanted the option.  I can try to get you the study, but I'll be going to bed soon.  Remind me later today b/c I tend to forget stuff like this.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Focusing just on the first question, I say the state can allow private schools to be same-sex, but not when it comes to public schools.  It would be a waste of money (since additional schools would eventually be needed to carry this out without sending students two to three times the usual traveling distances in order to segregate the kids).

You (& Vlad) have a point here, but then do you support vouchers, or would the parents have to pay on their own?

For sex-based segregation?  No.

Which one was the No referring to?  The vouchers, I assume?

[Lunar]

Put it this way--in the Det. Free Press, 10-13 people had their comments posted--all of which wanted the option.  I can try to get you the study, but I'll be going to bed soon.  Remind me later today b/c I tend to forget stuff like this.

I don't care if some people visitinga Detroit Newspaper's website wanted it.  Like was stated earlier in the thread, I'm sure some parents would like the option of ultra-religious education in public schools to be an option, or to have a Chinese-oriented public education, but that doesn't mean tax dollars should support it.

But go ahead and pull up any scientific studies.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Put it this way--in the Det. Free Press, 10-13 people had their comments posted--all of which wanted the option.  I can try to get you the study, but I'll be going to bed soon.  Remind me later today b/c I tend to forget stuff like this.

I don't care if some people visitinga Detroit Newspaper's website wanted it.  Like was stated earlier in the thread, I'm sure some parents would like the option of ultra-religious education in public schools to be an option, or to have a Chinese-oriented public education, but that doesn't mean tax dollars should support it.

But go ahead and pull up any scientific studies.

I'll work on that.  Not to sound lazy or anything, but I just got a job and started working yesterday, and am EXTREMELY busy right now, so if anybody else WANTED to find the info, that'd be great, but if not, thats OK.

[Lunar]

Haha, no worries.  Take your time.   Just bump the thread back up if it drops down.

[opebo]

As appealing as the image of an all girls school may be:

[A18]

You aren't mentioning enough specifics for me to make a sound judgment, so I'll just have to guess at what you mean.

At least in name, if not practice, sex classifications are subject only to intermediate scrutiny, not strict scrutiny as with racial classifications. Under United States v. Virginia, however, separate schools for boys and girls might well be unconstitutional. With regard to vouchers, the state could run into some trouble with Norwood v. Harrison. (I believe both of those cases to have been wrongly decided, BTW.)

[dazzleman]

I don't see anything wrong with providing the option for single-sex education under certain circumstances, though of course that could be a slippery slope in today's political environment.

I think some of the arguments against single-sex education are foolish.  It is not 'segregation,' but simply a different learning technique that works better than co-ed education for some children.  It doesn't mean that there won't be contact with children of the opposite sex, and I would venture to say that there is little to no difference in terms of ability to relate to the opposite sex between kids who went to single sex schools as opposed to co-ed schools.

For various reasons, some kids learn better in a single-sex environment.  For example, some people in certain cities have been looking to set up academies for boys who are growing up in the father-bereft environment of the inner city.  Because these boys lack positive male role models, not only within their families but in their communities as a whole, and boys generally turn off after a certain point when their lives are controlled totally by women without male involvement, the thinking is that some boys could benefit heavily from a school environment that attempts to compensate for what is missing but needed in their overall lives.

I think there's a lot of sense to these attempts.  I think we have to stop getting caught up in philosophical positions without regard to the realities and consequences of those positions.  Where education is failing, we have to be willing to try new ideas to help it succeed, without trotting out old ghosts like 'separate but equal' that are not applicable, and are simply meant to distract people from the real issues, and prevent the real issues from being addressed. 

I also suspect that there is a double standard here, and that many of the same people who would oppose single-sex schools that are set up for the benefit of boys would support single-sex schools that were set up to benefit girls.  Just a hunch based on the political coloration of this issue.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

As appealing as the image of an all girls school may be:

Not to be sarcastic here, but what's your point, and why are they all Oriental?

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

You aren't mentioning enough specifics for me to make a sound judgment, so I'll just have to guess at what you mean.

At least in name, if not practice, sex classifications are subject only to intermediate scrutiny, not strict scrutiny as with racial classifications. Under United States v. Virginia, however, separate schools for boys and girls might well be unconstitutional. With regard to vouchers, the state could run into some trouble with Norwood v. Harrison. (I believe both of those cases to have been wrongly decided, BTW.)

I don't have time to look @ those right now--summarize the cases for me.

[opebo]

Not to be sarcastic here, but what's your point, and why are they all Oriental?

Oh, sorry, I forgot my point whilst gathering images.  They're all Thai.

I'm against same sex schools in general, and certainly against them being sponsored by the State.  However I can report that girls are better behaved than boys.

[Michael Z]

Same sex schools seem a surefire recipe of producing repressed and thus sexually perverse teenagers who are utterly incapable of communicating with the opposite sex - the biggest nymphomaniacs I've met came from same sex schools. Coincidence? I think not. But, hey, if people want to send their kids to same-sex schools, let them.

[opebo]

the biggest nymphomaniacs I've met came from same sex schools.

OK, I change my position - all schools should be converted to same-sex schools!

[they don't love you like i love you]

No, this is one of the worst ideas ever. I'd actually ban ALL same sex schools, including private ones. After all, private schools for only one race are banned.

[Flying Dog]

I think there should be an option of sending kids there till a ceratin age.  Both sexes need to interact in middle and high school and they shouldnt be denied that right. I say by middle school the kid should have the right to attend whatever school they want. Same-Sex or Co-gender schools. Infact they should only have single-sex elementery school. But I guess that defeats the whole purpose. so leave it how it is.

[dazzleman]

Same sex schools seem a surefire recipe of producing repressed and thus sexually perverse teenagers who are utterly incapable of communicating with the opposite sex - the biggest nymphomaniacs I've met came from same sex schools. Coincidence? I think not. But, hey, if people want to send their kids to same-sex schools, let them.

Mike, I think you're overstating your case a wee bit.  I don't think your assumptions are correct.  I think single-sex schools are like anything else -- there are pluses and minuses.  For some kids, the pluses outweigh the minuses, and for others, vice versa.

[TeePee4Prez]

No/Yes/No.  Having been to a single sex school the concept is a bad idea.  I'll be the first to admit it was a huge adjustment going to a co-ed secular university after that. 

[TeePee4Prez]

Same sex schools seem a surefire recipe of producing repressed and thus sexually perverse teenagers who are utterly incapable of communicating with the opposite sex - the biggest nymphomaniacs I've met came from same sex schools. Coincidence? I think not. But, hey, if people want to send their kids to same-sex schools, let them.

Mike, I think you're overstating your case a wee bit.  I don't think your assumptions are correct.  I think single-sex schools are like anything else -- there are pluses and minuses.  For some kids, the pluses outweigh the minuses, and for others, vice versa.

Oh, I think they're dead on.  I would know.

[dazzleman]

Same sex schools seem a surefire recipe of producing repressed and thus sexually perverse teenagers who are utterly incapable of communicating with the opposite sex - the biggest nymphomaniacs I've met came from same sex schools. Coincidence? I think not. But, hey, if people want to send their kids to same-sex schools, let them.

Mike, I think you're overstating your case a wee bit.  I don't think your assumptions are correct.  I think single-sex schools are like anything else -- there are pluses and minuses.  For some kids, the pluses outweigh the minuses, and for others, vice versa.

Oh, I think they're dead on.  I would know.

I guess you're talking about yourself.  But plenty of kids who go to co-ed schools have trouble relating to the opposite sex.  Some people have trouble relating to people of their own sex.  It's not as simple as blaming the type of school the person went to -- the issue goes deeper than that.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Not to be sarcastic here, but what's your point, and why are they all Oriental?

Oh, sorry, I forgot my point whilst gathering images.  They're all Thai.

I'm against same sex schools in general, and certainly against them being sponsored by the State.  However I can report that girls are better behaved than boys.

OK, but why the pictures, and why Thai (most were labeled Thai in there URL, but I didn't want to call them all Thai in case they weren't, and then accidentally insult a Thai).

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

No, this is one of the worst ideas ever. I'd actually ban ALL same sex schools, including private ones. After all, private schools for only one race are banned.

And why should they be banned?

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

I think there should be an option of sending kids there till a ceratin age.  Both sexes need to interact in middle and high school and they shouldnt be denied that right. I say by middle school the kid should have the right to attend whatever school they want. Same-Sex or Co-gender schools. Infact they should only have single-sex elementery school. But I guess that defeats the whole purpose. so leave it how it is.

I definitely think that co-ed schools are the best way, but I can see the point of having the option, and denying wanting parents (& even students--but I don't know any guy who doesn't want to be around girls--unless he's gay)--so let them.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

No/Yes/No.  Having been to a single sex school the concept is a bad idea.  I'll be the first to admit it was a huge adjustment going to a co-ed secular university after that. 

So, since I believe your the only one with an inside opinion, what were the pros and cons of same-sex school?