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« on: July 08, 2006, 03:40:42 PM »

Following the resignation of Prime Minister Marcinkiewicz, Kaczynski has appointed his brother as P.M (meaning that Poland is the only country in the world with identical twins as President and P.M)... and there are reports that three opposition parties are going to form an a sort of anti-Kaczynski alliance.
Don't know which parties these are, although by the sound of it one is SLD.
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« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2006, 03:43:19 PM »

While it is probably the most disgusting government in power in the EU, I can see it lasting Sad
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« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2006, 04:31:54 PM »

Following the resignation of Prime Minister Marcinkiewicz, Kaczynski has appointed his brother as P.M (meaning that Poland is the only country in the world with identical twins as President and P.M)... and there are reports that three opposition parties are going to form an a sort of anti-Kaczynski alliance.
Don't know which parties these are, although by the sound of it one is SLD.

Those opposition parties would include:

Civic Platform which is a market liberal party.
Democratic Left Alliance which is ex-communist.
Polish Peasant Party which is a left-wing agrarian populist party.

I'm starting to think that Poland may just be completely screwed.
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« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2006, 12:09:51 PM »

There are rumours that early elections are possible
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« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2006, 07:13:11 PM »

Prime Minister Kaczynski has fired Lepper, meaning that the coalition is over. Unless Kaczynski can cobble together a new coalition in the next few days, fresh elections this autumn seem likely.
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« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2006, 07:23:26 PM »

Prime Minister Kaczynski has fired Lepper, meaning that the coalition is over. Unless Kaczynski can cobble together a new coalition in the next few days, fresh elections this autumn seem likely.

Hopefully Civic Platform takes the lead they seem like as sensible a lot as Poland can put out.
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« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2006, 01:48:38 AM »

Prime Minister Kaczynski has fired Lepper, meaning that the coalition is over. Unless Kaczynski can cobble together a new coalition in the next few days, fresh elections this autumn seem likely.

Hopefully Civic Platform takes the lead they seem like as sensible a lot as Poland can put out.

my opinion of them just lowered a bit when I saw that they consider making an alliance with the ex-communists, but I still support them.
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« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2006, 02:11:34 AM »

Prime Minister Kaczynski has fired Lepper, meaning that the coalition is over. Unless Kaczynski can cobble together a new coalition in the next few days, fresh elections this autumn seem likely.

I hope so.
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« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2006, 11:46:05 AM »

Prime Minister Kaczynski has fired Lepper, meaning that the coalition is over. Unless Kaczynski can cobble together a new coalition in the next few days, fresh elections this autumn seem likely.

Hopefully Civic Platform takes the lead they seem like as sensible a lot as Poland can put out.

my opinion of them just lowered a bit when I saw that they consider making an alliance with the ex-communists, but I still support them.

If they come first in the balloting, I believe it is indeed most likely the Civic Platform will go into alliance w/ the left. Other than the Civic Platform, the "ex-communists" are pretty much the most modern and pro-Western faction there.  I guess, after more than 15 years of democracy, certain reallignments are overdue: Poland's main divide these days is not "left vs. right" but "catholic nationalist vs. modern secular".
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« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2006, 12:03:39 PM »

PO + SLD? Coool. Wink
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« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2006, 12:07:03 PM »

Prime Minister Kaczynski has fired Lepper, meaning that the coalition is over. Unless Kaczynski can cobble together a new coalition in the next few days, fresh elections this autumn seem likely.

Hopefully Civic Platform takes the lead they seem like as sensible a lot as Poland can put out.

my opinion of them just lowered a bit when I saw that they consider making an alliance with the ex-communists, but I still support them.

If they come first in the balloting, I believe it is indeed most likely the Civic Platform will go into alliance w/ the left. Other than the Civic Platform, the "ex-communists" are pretty much the most modern and pro-Western faction there.  I guess, after more than 15 years of democracy, certain reallignments are overdue: Poland's main divide these days is not "left vs. right" but "catholic nationalist vs. modern secular".

Who cares about moderinty and pro-westernism. THis makes me almost wish the ruling party wins again. I highly doubt the communists would let them adopt the flat tax they propose.
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« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2006, 12:08:58 PM »

Seeing as one of the main reasons why they managed to lose to PiS last time was their flat tax proposals...
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« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2006, 12:32:54 PM »

Seeing as one of the main reasons why they managed to lose to PiS last time was their flat tax proposals...

That's just an extreme example. There are many other platform planks they would never be able to implement. I'd prefer a PiS-PO grand coalition.
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« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2006, 02:34:27 PM »

What's Marcinkiewicz doing? Back when he was sacked there were rumours he might try to form a new party ... sort of a moderate PiS from the sound of it...
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« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2006, 02:42:46 PM »


That's just an extreme example. There are many other platform planks they would never be able to implement. I'd prefer a PiS-PO grand coalition.

Who cares about modernity and pro-westernism? Seems like a a lot of Poles do (and myself do care as well).

Well, I guess at this point there are more fundamental disagreements between PO and PiS than between PO and SLD. The latter coalition might now even be more ideologically coherent than the former - not to speak about very bad blood that would have to be overcome if the PO/PiS coalition is to be formed.  Having - even if temporarily - formed a coalition with Leper's crowd, the PiS has gone too far off towards its own disreputability.
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« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2006, 01:41:57 PM »

...and now PiS is embroiled in an unpleasent little corruption scandal (a senior aide to the PM was filmed bribing an M.P to switch parties).

As a result of that scandal, PSL has said it won't go into coalition with PiS.

Fresh elections are almost certain now.
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« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2006, 07:04:38 AM »

There'll be a vote in parliament on the 10th. The opposition needs a two-thirds vote to dissolve the house, so that'd need PiS defectors (or a deal with the PiS leadership), but if this fails, they'll try to remove the PM by a vote of no confidence right after, which will probably succeed.
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« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2006, 07:18:31 PM »

Good. Can't think of many more governments in the EU I'd like to see toppled than this one.

Of course none of the opposition parties are too great either. I don't even like the ex-commies, but they're probably the best of the lot (unless that splinter is still around), and I can understand why an alliance with Civic Platform would be necessary for now, especially when you consider the utterly terrifying parties PiS is in coalition with.
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« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2006, 04:45:20 AM »

Good. Can't think of many more governments in the EU I'd like to see toppled than this one.

Of course none of the opposition parties are too great either. I don't even like the ex-commies, but they're probably the best of the lot (unless that splinter is still around), and I can understand why an alliance with Civic Platform would be necessary for now, especially when you consider the utterly terrifying parties PiS is in coalition with.
Was. Lepper quit.
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« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2006, 01:05:27 PM »

So did this happen? Government fell? When will the new elections happen?
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« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2006, 02:15:58 PM »

So did this happen? Government fell? When will the new elections happen?

Ha, nope.

No new elections and the new coalition is the old coalition:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6057382.stm
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« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2006, 07:06:37 AM »

Does the Polish Peasant's Party have any other parties remotely like it in Europe? Jorg Haider's in Austria maybe but that is right wing.

By American standards, the combination of left wing ideology and social conservatism seems like a contradiction. (At least since 1948 Wink) This is also why I have trouble understanding how British Labour party supporters and MPs can sometimes be socially conservative.
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« Reply #22 on: October 19, 2006, 12:38:02 PM »

Does the Polish Peasant's Party have any other parties remotely like it in Europe? Jorg Haider's in Austria maybe but that is right wing.

By American standards, the combination of left wing ideology and social conservatism seems like a contradiction. (At least since 1948 Wink) This is also why I have trouble understanding how British Labour party supporters and MPs can sometimes be socially conservative.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communitarianism
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« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2006, 03:05:03 PM »

Does the Polish Peasant's Party have any other parties remotely like it in Europe?

There are quite a lot of Agrarian parties in Europe, especially in the East and in Scandinavia.

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The big European Socialist/Social Democratic parties date from a time before modern social issues were of any real importance; they were in the '60's (and still are now) mainly parties of what would be called economic issues in the U.S. The New Left was something that, mainly, happend outside these parties (and outside the two big Communist parties (PCI, PCF) as well) rather than inside them (as was the case in the U.S), at least initially.
Or to put it another way: there's no contradiction between being leftwing and not being socially liberal* because there was no link between these two concepts in the first place.

*A sizeable proportion of the hard-left Campaign Group over here are social conservatives.
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« Reply #24 on: November 13, 2006, 05:38:02 AM »

First round of local elections the other day; general pattern seems to be as expected (ie; PO do well, PiS do badly).

In Warsaw, Marcinkiewicz seems to be in trouble... he only polled about 2pts more than the PO candidate (38% to 36%), while most of the remaining votes went to Marek Borowski (who polled 20%).
Interestingly enough, Marcinkiewicz ran about 8pts ahead of what the PiS got for the city council elections. Borowski also ran a bit ahead of the united leftish list.

League of Polish Families did badly everywhere, btw.
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