Future Presidents

[Wakie]

Guiliani cant be president because he will not make it past the primaries.  He is far too socially liberal where it counts.  Elizabeth Dole ran for the senate to set up a presidential run.  She tried to run for president in 2000 but didnt have enough money.  More than that she is universally popular in the party.  She has been invited and attended 2004 rep senate campaign rallys in other states.  And if Hillary is running, republicans can offset any female advantage that Hillary has through Dole.  Dole is also seen as nicer than Hillary.  She will run.

I would vote for E. Dole!!

Umm ... that directly contradicts your earlier statement in this thread that you would never vote for a woman to be President.

So which is it?  Would you or wouldn't you?

[Lunar]

If the Republicans consider Giuliani too liberal, then they've got even worse problems than I thought.

Huh?  Guiliani is a pretty moderate Republican.  Maybe you didn't notice but he goes against the grain on a lot of issues, such as abortion.

You would consider Lieberman to be too conservative, no?  But he's pretty much the exact equivilent of Guiliani on the other side (not much difference overall due to be pretty close to the center).

[Fritz]

Guiliani cant be president because he will not make it past the primaries.  He is far too socially liberal where it counts.  Elizabeth Dole ran for the senate to set up a presidential run.  She tried to run for president in 2000 but didnt have enough money.  More than that she is universally popular in the party.  She has been invited and attended 2004 rep senate campaign rallys in other states.  And if Hillary is running, republicans can offset any female advantage that Hillary has through Dole.  Dole is also seen as nicer than Hillary.  She will run.

I would vote for E. Dole!!

Umm ... that directly contradicts your earlier statement in this thread that you would never vote for a woman to be President.

So which is it?  Would you or wouldn't you?

Josh22, Wakie makes a very good point.  Your earlier statement, and my response to it:

If Bush wins in 2004 then ....
2008 = Hillary Clinton becomes first female President by beating Jeb Bush.
2012 = Hillary beats Bill Frist.


If Kerry wins in 2004 then ....
2008 = Colin Powell beats John Kerry.
2012 = Colin Powell beats John Edwards.

She wont be able to run the 2nd time. She will get shot. You know that. There are some many people who would do any thing to get a women out of office. That is why i would never vote for a women.

Did you really just say that?  Suffice to say I STRONGLY disagree.  Saying a President will get shot because she is a woman is just as ignorant as suggesting that President Colin Powell would get shot because he is black.

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[Bandit3 the Worker]

You would consider Lieberman to be too conservative, no?

Indeed I would. There's no way I could ever vote for him.

[Platypus]

2004-2008 Kerry
2008-2016 McCain
2016-2020 Edwards
2024-2028 Frist

anything after that is just impossible to hope to predict accurately.

[© tweed]

Hughento,

What happens 2020-2024?

[MODU]

2016-2024 .... MODU!  

[ThePrezMex]

2004-2008 Kerry
2008-2016 McCain
2016-2020 Edwards
2024-2028 Frist

anything after that is just impossible to hope to predict accurately.

Why you all try to extend the life of current politicians for 20 more years? Frist would be 72 in 2024! Exactly the same age McCain will be in 2008! Why don't you look for younger politicians for predictions for the next four elections?
That's why the prediction I posted yesterday is:

2005-2009 John Kerry/Evan Bayh (D)
2009-2013 Evan Bayh/Alex Penelas (D) over Bill Owens/Chuck Hagel (R)
2013-2017 Bayh/Penelas over Hagel/Powell
2017-2021 Bobby Jindal/George P. Bush (R) over Penelas/Harold Ford (D)
2021-2025 Jindal/Bush again (R)
2025-2029 First Hispanic Pres (D)

[Sk]

7089 - Richard Nixon the XXXXXXXXXXXXVI
7093 - Vlorxen the destructor (this occuring of course after the great war with the xlaxxis race of giant aliens - which we unfortunately lose)
7097 - Um...not sure, some democrat, maybe Edwards
7101 to 7109 - no election due to apocalypse
7109 - no election seeing how we have all achieved oneness with the world and absolute mental perfection and have overcome our desire for all that which is material and therefore transient

Sorry, I think I'm runnin a little to far into the future. How about:

 2004 - Bush
 2008 - Edwards
 2012 - Edwards or McCain
 2016 - ?

[Wakie]

It typically takes someone about 20-30 years after their political career starts to get to the White House.  So ... for 2024, look at the people who are just getting started now.

2016 and 2020 belongs to the current junior Congressmen and the first term Governors.

2012 goes to the guys who are senior but not prominent right now.

And 2008 ... here's my short list of possible candidates ....

Democrat - John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, Bill Richardson, Al Gore

Republican - Jeb Bush, George W Bush (if he loses in 2004), John McCain (although I doubt he could win the nomination), Colin Powell, Lamar Alexander

[JohnFKennedy]

My reckoning:

2004: George W. Bush/Dick Cheney defeats John Kerry/John Edwards
2008: John Edwards/Harold Ford maybe? defeats Jeb Bush/??
2012: John Edwards/Harold Ford defeats ??
2016: Owens/?? defeats ??

I am not sure really, 2016 is still too far off, so is 2012 really, but I definitely see a John Edwards Presidency in the future some day.

[Ben.]

Harold Ford/ Russ Feingold (DEM) 2016-2024

In my dreams.  I'm a big Harold Ford fan.  He's a well reasoned centrist.  Those on the far right probably dislike him because he is left of center, and those on the far left probably dislike him because he's "tainting" the Democratic party with his moderate politics.  He's also very well spoken and presidential.  I hope you're right... we'll see.

No chance of Harold Ford being president.  I don't even think he can win a senate seat in TN.

How so? He is young and charismatic, The ACU gives him a rating on a par with Bayh and he was recently helping to push forward a fairly conservative welfare bill with a SC Republican. He's a "Blue Dog" and he can certainly win in TN. Furthermore if he wins in TN he should easily be able to win nationally that said he is still very young and it may be some time and added to this for many on the left of the democratic party he might seem a little too conservative (hence my mention of Feingold)... But trust me he is a strong candidate and can go far... didn't we have this argument before?  

[ThePrezMex]

It typically takes someone about 20-30 years after their political career starts to get to the White House.  So ... for 2024, look at the people who are just getting started now.

2016 and 2020 belongs to the current junior Congressmen and the first term Governors.

2012 goes to the guys who are senior but not prominent right now.

And 2008 ... here's my short list of possible candidates ....

Democrat - John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, Bill Richardson, Al Gore

Republican - Jeb Bush, George W Bush (if he loses in 2004), John McCain (although I doubt he could win the nomination), Colin Powell, Lamar Alexander

That is what I've been saying all along.
I really doubt that Jeb Bush would become a Presidential Candidate. If W is reelected, then people would be tired of the Bush name for a while and would never elect Jeb. On the other hand, if W is defeated, then again, it means that the people don't want to know anything about them for the time being. But, we cannot "misunderestimate" the Bush clan, that's why I'm putting in my predictions George P. Bush (Jeb's son and with a Mexican mother) to be VP to Bobby Jindal (LA) in 2016.

[classical liberal]

If Ford and Bayh have equally conesrvative ideologies, then Ford has a pretty good shot given that IN is about twice as conservative as TN.

[© tweed]

Edwards would beat Jeb very easily...

[ThePrezMex]

It is
2004-Bush
2008-Edwards
2012-McCain

Why you didn't put yourself there for 2024 or 2028?

[Josh/Devilman88]

Because I dont know when I am going to run for Presdient.

[Josh/Devilman88]

Hopefully you won't.

You don't want me as Presdient?

[Platypus]

fine, let's predict by party

I'm modifying mine.

2004: GOP
2008: GOP
2012: GOP
2016: DEM

Here is it a slightly educated guess, but not much finality at all:

2020: DEM
2024: GOP
2028: GOP

and then after that, it's a bit harder:

(this is just guessing, cmpletely and utterly)

2032: GOP
2036: GOP
2040: GOP
2044: GOP
2048: DEM
2052: DEM
2056: DEM
2060: GOP
2064: GOP
2068: DEM
2072: DEM
2076: GOP
2080: DEM
2084: DEM
2088: DEM
2092: GOP
2096: GOP
2100: DEM
through to
2184: DEM



(2188: Green)

[qwerty]

If the GOP's rise in power continues, it wouldn't surprise me if at some point in the future the Democrats dessolve and form a new party.

[JohnFKennedy]

If the GOP's rise in power continues, it wouldn't surprise me if at some point in the future the Democrats dessolve and form a new party.

It would surprise me.

The American System always goes like this really, 1896-1932 there was only 1 Democratic President just like between 1932 and 1968 there was only 1 Republican President.

Parties hold dominance for a while before it swings back the other way.

There are two cycles there, both of 36 years by whic h reckoning, 2004 should be the change over point, however, I think it will be 2008 as we have had one more Democrat term than we should have so far, my conclusion, 2008 is the change to Democratic Dominance with a two term Republican President at one point between then and 2044 with the rest Democrats.

I could be way off though .

[Wakie]

2024: GOP
2028: GOP

Those will be my two terms.

President at 36?  That's pretty ambitious.  Go for 2040.

[ThePrezMex]

2024: GOP
2028: GOP

Those will be my two terms.

President at 36?  That's pretty ambitious.  Go for 2040.

So we have an official contest now.. the GOP nomination in 2024 or 2028 will be between Josh22 on NC and Richard M. Nixon from NJ.. cool.
Although, I'm sorry I won't be working with any of you.. my period as President of Mexico will end in 2024.

[JohnFKennedy]

2024: GOP
2028: GOP

Those will be my two terms.

President at 36?  That's pretty ambitious.  Go for 2040.

So we have an official contest now.. the GOP nomination in 2024 or 2028 will be between Josh22 on NC and Richard M. Nixon from NJ.. cool.
Although, I'm sorry I won't be working with any of you.. my period as President of Mexico will end in 2024.

If those were the choices then NixonNow (Richard M. Nixon) would *have* to win.

[Bandit3 the Worker]

If the GOP's rise in power continues, it wouldn't surprise me if at some point in the future the Democrats dessolve and form a new party.

I think this will happen if they can't defeat Dumbya this year.