Vote on Articles of Impeachment

[Emsworth]

Three articles of impeachment have been proposed against the President. The full text of the articles is available here. The charges they contain are as follows:

Article I:
(1) On 14 July 2006, Ebowed did declare that EarlAW was no longer a member of the Atlasian Senate.
(2) On 15 July 2006, Ebowed did declare that jerusalemcar5 was no longer a member of the Atlasian Senate.
(3) On 15 July 2006, Ebowed did declare that Captain Vlad was no longer a member of the Atlasian Senate.

Article II:
On 15 July 2006, Ebowed declared that Speed of Sound was barred from holding office in Atlasia for a period of one year.

Article III:
On 15 July 2006, Ebowed declared that the Atlasian Messanger newspaper, edited by Atlasian citizen Speed of Sound was banned, contrary to Article VI, Clause IV of the Atlasian Constitution.

Senators, please vote on each of the above articles of impeachment. You may cast a separate vote on each article.

[Emsworth]

Voting is now open. A simple majority is necessary to pass any article of impeachment. If the President is impeached, then a trial will be held before the people.

[MasterJedi]

Nay

[Јas]

Aye

[Hatman 🍁]

While Ebowed is a good friend of mine, I cannot in good conscience vote nay.

Aye

[jerusalemcar5]

Article I:Nay

Article II:Nay

However, Ebowed did bring this upon himself and I believe he did violate the Constitution and his oath in the following article, regardless of what he did afterwards.  Therefore,

Article III:Aye

[adam]

After much consideration:

Aye

[ilikeverin]

All articles: Nope

[Democratic Hawk]

Nay on all articles on the understanding that the President has learnt his lesson and offends no more

'Hawk'

[jerusalemcar5]

Nay on all articles on the understanding that the President has learnt his lesson and offends no more

'Hawk'

So if a murderer kills someone and says he won't due it anymore, it was meant to just be some fun, he should be let go, right?

[MasterJedi]

Nay on all articles on the understanding that the President has learnt his lesson and offends no more

'Hawk'

So if a murderer kills someone and says he won't due it anymore, it was meant to just be some fun, he should be let go, right?

You're the one who wrote that he killed people because you hated Ebowed so it's your fault, not his. -_-

[jerusalemcar5]

Nay on all articles on the understanding that the President has learnt his lesson and offends no more

'Hawk'

So if a murderer kills someone and says he won't due it anymore, it was meant to just be some fun, he should be let go, right?

You're the one who wrote that he killed people because you hated Ebowed so it's your fault, not his. -_-

It was a metaphor, Jedi, and he did kill Harry, but Harry rose from the dead.

[Ebowed]

It was a metaphor

Great metaphor.  I like how you compared voting against impeachment to setting a recently captured coldblooded murderer free on the streets.

[Bacon King]

Nay on all articles on the understanding that the President has learnt his lesson and offends no more

'Hawk'

So if a murderer kills someone and says he won't due it anymore, it was meant to just be some fun, he should be let go, right?

You're the one who wrote that he killed people because you hated Ebowed so it's your fault, not his. -_-

It was a metaphor, Jedi, and he did kill Harry, but Harry rose from the dead.

and this is the internets. if the real american president decided to go and kill someone, even if that guy rose back from the dead, he'd still be guilty of murder. However, this was a pretend murder in which the person being murdered was playing along, and was in on the fun.

[Emsworth]

Might I request that all further discussion take place in a different thread? I would prefer if we reserved this thread for voting.

[Virginian87]

Nay on all articles of impeachment.  President Ebowed has reformed since this unfortunate series of events.

[MasterJedi]

4-4, I guess WMS will decide what happens.

[Emsworth]

4-4, I guess WMS will decide what happens.

Is there a reason for which you are counting Captain Vlad's vote, even after the Senator resigned? (If there is some rule or precedent I am not aware of, I would like to be informed.)

[Speed of Sound]

4-4, I guess WMS will decide what happens.

Is there a reason for which you are counting Captain Vlad's vote, even after the Senator resigned? (If there is some rule or precedent I am not aware of, I would like to be informed.)

Didnt he vote, then resign? Or does that not matter?

[MasterJedi]

4-4, I guess WMS will decide what happens.

Is there a reason for which you are counting Captain Vlad's vote, even after the Senator resigned? (If there is some rule or precedent I am not aware of, I would like to be informed.)

Didnt he vote, then resign? Or does that not matter?

At least in teh Senate if you vote and then resign the vote counts because you voted before you resigned.

[TomC]

4-4, I guess WMS will decide what happens.

Is there a reason for which you are counting Captain Vlad's vote, even after the Senator resigned? (If there is some rule or precedent I am not aware of, I would like to be informed.)

Didnt he vote, then resign? Or does that not matter?

At least in teh Senate if you vote and then resign the vote counts because you voted before you resigned.

But in Jerusalemcar5 vs.Senate, we ruled that the number of the Senate was "9" because Yates had resigned, even though he was senator when the vote opened. That is, we upheld your declaration that the Senate was "9" due to Yates' resignation.

The rule on votes on Veto overrides says:

"For the purposes of a Veto Override only, any Senator who Abstains from voting shall be counted as a vote Against the legislation under consideration. "

So, if a senator's resignation in the middle of a vote doesn't change the number, I definitely see an argument that on the Atlasian Bahrain Free Trade bill veto override, since Yates was Senator during part of the voting, but didn't vote, his vote should have counted as an abstention, and thus, "Against the legislation under consideration."

But something's not consistent here. I really recommend the Senate make a rule about what happens when a Senator resigns in the middle of a vote.

[jerusalemcar5]

4-4, I guess WMS will decide what happens.

Is there a reason for which you are counting Captain Vlad's vote, even after the Senator resigned? (If there is some rule or precedent I am not aware of, I would like to be informed.)

Didnt he vote, then resign? Or does that not matter?

At least in teh Senate if you vote and then resign the vote counts because you voted before you resigned.

But in Jerusalemcar5 vs.Senate, we ruled that the number of the Senate was "9" because Yates had resigned, even though he was senator when the vote opened. That is, we upheld your declaration that the Senate was "9" due to Yates' resignation.

The rule on votes on Veto overrides says:

"For the purposes of a Veto Override only, any Senator who Abstains from voting shall be counted as a vote Against the legislation under consideration. "

So, if a senator's resignation in the middle of a vote doesn't change the number, I definitely see an argument that on the Atlasian Bahrain Free Trade bill veto override, since Yates was Senator during part of the voting, but didn't vote, his vote should have counted as an abstention, and thus, "Against the legislation under consideration."

But something's not consistent here. I really recommend the Senate make a rule about what happens when a Senator resigns in the middle of a vote.

That is not the same because Yates had not yet cast a vote.  A vote legally cast by a legal Senator cannot be negated by a resignation.  That makes no sense.

[Ebowed]

A vote legally cast by a legal Senator cannot be negated by a resignation.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=32568.msg757500#msg757500

[jerusalemcar5]

A vote legally cast by a legal Senator cannot be negated by a resignation.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=32568.msg757500#msg757500

It wasn't resolved there wither it appears, they just ignored it becaus ethe vote didn't matter.  I meant that from a logical perspective, by the way.

[MasterJedi]

Bump, so it's above the signed bills.