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« on: July 20, 2006, 07:36:44 AM »



Maybe Detroit would be a good city for the GOP convention after all.

"Upbeat GOP in Michigan"

Democrats are in trouble in Michigan where the re-election chances of Gov. Jennifer Granholm and Sen. Debbie Stabenow are slipping in one of the weakest state economies in the nation.

    Mrs. Granholm is in worse shape than Mrs. Stabenow, but both have fallen below 50 percent in the latest polls in a political environment turned sour for their party, especially among Democratic blue-collar voters who have suffered the most from massive auto industry layoffs and an unemployment rate that has hit 7 percent.

    Late last month a Michigan EPIC/MRA poll of likely voters showed Republican gubernatorial challenger Dick DeVos was leading Mrs. Granholm by 48 percent to 40 percent. That not only foreshadows a likely comeback for the GOP in the Statehouse but has raised fears among the Stabenow campaign's high command that she could be caught in the undertow of an anti-incumbent tide in the state.

    Mrs. Granholm's deepening economic troubles are bad enough, signaling the GOP may well pick up several Democratic governorships to offset expected losses in New York and elsewhere. But Mrs. Stabenow's race, which has been overlooked by the pundits, could well be the sleeper of the 2006 midterm elections.

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« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2006, 07:41:52 AM »

Detroit would be a good place for the GOP convention, unfortunately, its not in the running for 2008.  Maybe 2012.
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« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2006, 09:38:31 AM »

The article conveniently only gives one side of the story, but it is the Washington Times, so...

Stabenow's votes against tax cuts and corporate interests are most certainly in the interests of Michigan.

I agree that the race won't be a blowout, but given the national Democratic tide, this race won't be all that close. Bouchard might be able to get within 10 points, no closer.

The governor's race will be tough, but the campaign really hasn't even begun yet in full force. The President is very unpopular in Michigan and Granholm's task will be to rightly shift most of the blame onto him for Michigan's woes, while also underscoring her own successes in bringing new jobs to the state, much of which has gone under the radar so far.
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« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2006, 12:01:50 PM »

Why even bother posting articles from that rag?  That is similar to posting from the New York Post or the National Enquirer, that paper is meaningless.

Anyways, I have seen polls that do not put Granholm so far behind and I also think that the anti-Bush and mor eimportantly anto-Republ;ican tide in the nation and especially in Michigan will put Granholm and especially Stabenow over the top.  I haven't heard of that pollster either.  i trust Rasmussen.
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« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2006, 04:58:55 PM »

Granholm = doneski.
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« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2006, 05:02:48 PM »


Wait untill the debates. DeVos cant put a sentence together. Granholm will whip him in the debates.
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« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2006, 06:24:08 PM »

Granholm has problems though, Just look at MI's economy.
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« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2006, 06:33:57 PM »


Joining Tim Kaine in that category.
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« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2006, 06:55:32 PM »

I'm not stoned off my ass for this prediction.

But don't take my word for it. Michigan voters will give you the same answer in November.
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« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2006, 07:23:37 PM »


Damn, you beat me to it.
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« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2006, 08:14:20 PM »

Well, other people avoid being wrong by not making actual *predictions* far in advance of the election.

It's not my fault Kilgore blew the election. If I had waited until the day before to make a "prediction" than obviously I would have known Kaine would win. My overall predictive record still far surpasses any of the democrats on the site. Of competitive races that I was highly sure about, and thus bet on, I'm right about 90% of the time at 6 months out. Close to the election, I don't even bother. It's not a real prediction.
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« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2006, 08:22:22 PM »

no offense dems...

but granholm doesnt even appear competent enough to hold a city council seat, much less the governor's office,

now, the mlm scammer probably isnt much better.  he is worth a shot, though.
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« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2006, 01:54:40 AM »

Ahh gotta love he Washington Times..

Whle I'll admit Granholm is fairly vulnerable to suggest the MI Senate race could be a sleeper with Stabenow ahead by TWENTY point s in the polls is a little ridicolous.  The article mentions the numbers in the Govenor's race, but fails to mention the numbers in the Senate race..  Hmm I wonder why that is....

They also fail to mention that the Knowlegis tends to be quite partisan in their power rankings (9 of the top 10 in the Senate were Republicans, 10 of the bottom 12 in the Senate were Democrats.

The top 6 and 9 of the top 11 in the House were Republicans, 84 of the top 100 were Republicans 68 of the bottom 70, and 81 of the bottom 84 were Democrats
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« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2006, 08:24:17 PM »

I think we would be worse off right now with DeVos in power rather than Granholm. She has done a lot of good of late. Just a few weeks she got Google to bring their operations to Ann Arbor. You dont see devos having any of that stuff in his ads. Plus the Republican-controlled Legislature is helping at all.
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« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2006, 07:56:47 AM »

the last time a billionnaire failed to gain power was?
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« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2006, 09:39:21 AM »

the last time a billionnaire failed to gain power was?

michael huffington, california 1994?
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« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2006, 09:57:59 AM »

the last time a billionnaire failed to gain power was?

michael huffington, california 1994?

John Kerry.  Tongue
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« Reply #17 on: July 23, 2006, 11:22:51 PM »

the last time a billionnaire failed to gain power was?

Steve Forbes...  Twice
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« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2006, 07:32:47 PM »


ahahahahahaha. I wish I had found this earlier.

Has any candidate Goldie has declared "doneski" ever lost?
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« Reply #19 on: December 30, 2006, 07:36:29 PM »



Maybe Detroit would be a good city for the GOP convention after all.

Good luck trying to get the Republican politicians to travel into Wayne County.

Pontiac could always have a shot for a convention though.
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« Reply #20 on: December 30, 2006, 07:47:03 PM »

What was that about Granholm's chances for reelection slipping away?
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« Reply #21 on: December 30, 2006, 07:50:40 PM »

Her approval ratings were low and she appeared to be in trouble early in the campaign and even trailed in a few early polls, until DeVos turned out to be as competent a campaigner and debater as Mark Kennedy. Then he sank like a stone.
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« Reply #22 on: December 30, 2006, 07:51:35 PM »


ahahahahahaha. I wish I had found this earlier.

Has any candidate Goldie has declared "doneski" ever lost?

Well, Goldie wasn't actually completely wrong.  "Is doneski" usually means "will win by 5".  Here, Granholm won by 14. Tongue
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« Reply #23 on: December 30, 2006, 07:53:00 PM »

Her approval ratings were low and she appeared to be in trouble early in the campaign and even trailed in a few early polls, until DeVos turned out to be as competent a campaigner and debater as Mark Kennedy. Then he sank like a stone.

Still, this is from July, not February.
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« Reply #24 on: December 30, 2006, 07:54:53 PM »
« Edited: December 30, 2006, 07:57:28 PM by Gabu »

Well, other people avoid being wrong by not making actual *predictions* far in advance of the election.

It's not my fault Kilgore blew the election. If I had waited until the day before to make a "prediction" than obviously I would have known Kaine would win. My overall predictive record still far surpasses any of the democrats on the site. Of competitive races that I was highly sure about, and thus bet on, I'm right about 90% of the time at 6 months out. Close to the election, I don't even bother. It's not a real prediction.



Let's see...

Kilgore would win - wrong
Bill Nelson was in trouble - wrong
DeVos would win - wrong
Blagojevich would lose - wrong
Kennedy was strong - wrong

Where are the correct predictions?  I can't seem to find any.
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