Now that Bush vetoed the stem cell bill...

[jerusalemcar5]

I would like to see everyone's personal opinions now the Bush defeated the bill. 

Does anyone truly believe embryos should be trashed instead of used for science?  That amazes me.  Which is less humane?

[MODU]

I don't think anyone on here has favored trashing of unused Embryos.  Additionally, your poll options are weak, so you'll get a null vote from me.    As far as the question itself goes, no, I didn't not support the legislation.

[jerusalemcar5]

I don't think anyone on here has favored trashing of unused Embryos.  Additionally, your poll options are weak, so you'll get a null vote from me.    As far as the question itself goes, no, I didn't not support the legislation.

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised.  Seems to be the position of Senator Brownback and President Bush and many others in Congress for opposing it.

[Colin]

Huh?

[MODU]

No, I don't think that is their position either.  They are just against the federal funding of the destruction of embryos.  It doesn't have anything to do with being favor of throwing unused embryos away or even the field of science itself.  

[adam]

Science is more important than Religion and the bulls*it morality that is pushed with it, so yes I do.l

[Jake]

And you call yourself a libertarian.

[MaC]

It's awesome that Bush grew some balls and actually vetoed a bill-a bill that would increase government spending no less.

[Flying Dog]

It's awesome that Bush grew some balls and actually vetoed a bill-a bill that would increase government spending no less.

To bad it was a bill that could have done some good. Too bad he didnt veto the bridge to no-where bill.

[MaC]

what?  The private sector can research stem cells.  Where in the Constitution specifically does it say that the government can partake in scientific research?

[Flying Dog]

what?  The private sector can research stem cells.  Where in the Constitution specifically does it say that the government can partake in scientific research?

where doesnt it say.

[adam]

And you call yourself a libertarian.

Socially speaking yes, I have abandoned libertarian economics.

[Jake]

where doesnt it say.

Wow, you're a fool. Congress has enumerated powers, in case you missed Basic Government in high school.

[MaC]

what?  The private sector can research stem cells.  Where in the Constitution specifically does it say that the government can partake in scientific research?

where doesnt it say.

The goverment can only go as far as doing what the Constitution allows (the concept of negative rights).  Unless you can tell me where government involvement in scientific research is stated, then you can't argue that this (if it were to be passed) is actually constitutional.

[Emsworth]

what?  The private sector can research stem cells.  Where in the Constitution specifically does it say that the government can partake in scientific research?

where doesnt it say.

Under the Tenth Amendment, Congress may only exercise powers that have been delegated to it. There is no clause delegating to Congress the power to conduct or fund scientific research. 

Of course, the Supreme Court would never strike down such a bill, but that is a different issue.

[Flying Dog]

sorry I had a dumb moment. I got caught up in the debate and misinterpreted the question.

[MODU]

Science is more important than Religion and the bulls*it morality that is pushed with it, so yes I do.l

I like you Vlad, but that's just a dumb comment.  There is plenty of scientific funding going on.  This is a single narrow field, one where potential life would be destroyed using federal money.  It was the right decision.  And as stated before, there still is a little bit of funding going to this field under Bush's 2001 decision, and there is plenty of funding going into the other stem cell research fields already.