Atlasian-Fiji Free Trade Bill

[Ebowed]

We just need to override you each time you don't know what you're doing.

So..... you don't want there to be checks and balances?

Just putting these gems side-by-side for comparison's sake.  Although, given that I don't know what I'm doing, I had better leave the Senate's every decision to the all-knowing PPT.

[MasterJedi]

We just need to override you each time you don't know what you're doing.

So..... you don't want there to be checks and balances?

Just putting these gems side-by-side for comparison's sake.  Although, given that I don't know what I'm doing, I had better leave the Senate's every decision to the all-knowing PPT.

'Tis called an opinion, we all have them. If it was the other way around you'd be saying the same thing.

[Ebowed]

'Tis called an opinion, we all have them.

That doesn't make it any less amusing or hypocritical.  Pretty poor rebuttal.

[MasterJedi]

'Tis called an opinion, we all have them.

That doesn't make it any less amusing or hypocritical.  Pretty poor rebuttal.

No need to, you are doing a pretty good job of it yourself. The rage and attacks to anyone who opposes you has come out again. It helps.

[Ebowed]

No need to, you are doing a pretty good job of it yourself. The rage and attacks to anyone who opposes you has come out again. It helps.

Given that you have now posted twice in this thread since I posted this:

So..... you don't want there to be checks and balances? That's what I get from that. Of course the people will vote the same way they did before, why should they vote different?

You are completely misinterpreting this.

You have quite clearly demonstrated repeatedly that when I veto something, it seems to be pretty much automatic that an override will follow.  It makes me useless.  I'm nothing more than a figurehead for a legislative branch that passes legislation that I don't even agree with.  I'm not the one eliminating checks and balances here, YOU ARE.  By making a mockery of the veto process, why should I even bother signing legislation if my approval doesn't matter, since my disapproval doesn't?

People should consider voting differently (they don't necessarily have to) on veto overrides if they consider why there is executive opposition to the legislation.  The way things work now, you basically get everyone to vote the same way they did a few days before as if it's just some sort of necessary obstacle in getting past the mean old executive branch.  Hawk here is upset that I didn't immediately state why I vetoed the bill.  The problem here is that nobody here really seems to care, because they're going to vote the same way they did originally if you have your way.

BTW, I forgot to mention earlier that it's pretty cheap for you to accuse me of being hypocritical and act all surprised about this veto when I told you on AIM several days ago that I was sympathetic to Jake's goals on these bills.

Is it safe to assume that you admit you were entirely wrong and baseless in saying that I was the one wanting to eliminate checks and balances?  Don't worry about answering that, it was a rhetorical question.

As for the "rage and attacks", please.  In the last day you folks have called me a racist and a hypocrite.  Are you playing hardball or not?

[MasterJedi]

I won't take back the hypocrite part because you signed all those bills from before without a noise but now you just don't vote on them. Anyway 'tis early as well, I need to go, getting bored with this.


And there's a 95% chance the veto override vote will start later today.

[Ebowed]

I won't take back the hypocrite part because you signed all those bills from before without a noise but now you just don't vote on them. Anyway 'tis early as well, I need to go, getting bored with this.

I don't see what a change of mind and a decision to stand up to the Senate a little more has to do with hypocrisy.

[MasterJedi]

I hereby open up the veto override vote on this bill. Please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

[MasterJedi]

Aye

[Jake]

Nay

[jerusalemcar5]

Nay.

[ilikeverin]

Yup

[WMS]

Aye.

[bgwah]

nay

[Democratic Hawk]

Aye

'Hawk'

[Јas]

Aye

[MasterJedi]

This still needs one more Nay to fail (and it will since Jesus flip-flopped). But it is also in the 6th slot for veto overrides now that the Solomon Islands are gone.

[Virginian87]

Aye.

[Hatman 🍁]

Nay

[MasterJedi]

This veto override has enough votes to fail. Senators now have 24 hours to change their votes.

[MasterJedi]

With 6 Ayes, 4 Nays and 0 Abstentions this veto override has failed.