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« Reply #25 on: June 11, 2004, 08:26:50 AM »

Sorry Al but I don't agree. Some people vote at local with national reasons. it's maybe bad but it's the case...

True to a certain degree, but LOCAL elections are a really, really, really bad way to measure political changes... (otherwise the following would have been P.M's: Foot, Kinnock, Hauge, IDS)

Al, see nomorelies' post in the 2004 Election Discussion, he is talking about this. You may have something to add to the discussion.

I swore at him a bit Smiley
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« Reply #26 on: June 11, 2004, 08:29:25 AM »

Sorry Al but I don't agree. Some people vote at local with national reasons. it's maybe bad but it's the case...

True to a certain degree, but LOCAL elections are a really, really, really bad way to measure political changes... (otherwise the following would have been P.M's: Foot, Kinnock, Hauge, IDS)

Al, see nomorelies' post in the 2004 Election Discussion, he is talking about this. You may have something to add to the discussion.

I swore at him a bit Smiley

I saw Smiley He is just quoting bits from the BBC, he failed to quote this though:

This would give the Tories a result on a par with its local election results achieved under William Hague's leadership in 2000.

Hmmm.... I don't recall Hague winning the General Election the following year.....
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« Reply #27 on: June 11, 2004, 08:29:46 AM »

Really, really, really, really, really bad news... the BBC is reporting that the NSDAP BNP have picked up 3 seats in Epping Forest Sad
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« Reply #28 on: June 11, 2004, 08:31:37 AM »

Really, really, really, really, really bad news... the BBC is reporting that the NSDAP BNP have picked up 3 seats in Epping Forest Sad

Urgh..... UKIP have picked up a seat in Hull and one in Derby. Sad.
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« Reply #29 on: June 11, 2004, 08:35:23 AM »

Really, really, really, really, really bad news... the BBC is reporting that the NSDAP BNP have picked up 3 seats in Epping Forest Sad

Urgh..... UKIP have picked up a seat in Hull and one in Derby. Sad.

The far right moveth... oh sh**t. The UKIP might do disturbingly well come Sunday
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« Reply #30 on: June 11, 2004, 09:03:36 AM »

Normal service is resumed in Rhondda-Cynon-Taff: http://www.rhondda-cynon-taff.gov.uk/Elections2004/index.htm
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« Reply #31 on: June 11, 2004, 09:51:45 AM »
« Edited: June 11, 2004, 09:51:59 AM by bullmoose88 »

Yawn...Labour really shouldn't flip out...Its not Howard is actually going to become prime minister...in an age of live TV and internet...he looks like the Count himself.

He's running against a Labour government that is unpopular (relatively speaking) because of Iraq, because the economy hasn't been as strong (still doing decently) as before, and large amount of popular anger at the way Blair's handled the EU?

and he's only recieved 38%? on par with Hague and IDS?

Thats terrible for the Tories. With Iraq fading out of the picture and the world economy improving...

A Tory government isn't gonna happen this time...not until they put someone eloquent AND electable at the top...


The Liberal Democrats on the other hand...did pretty damn well/are doing well.

Thats the party to watch.
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« Reply #32 on: June 11, 2004, 09:55:52 AM »

Yawn...Labour really shouldn't flip out...Its not Howard is actually going to become prime minister...in an age of live TV and internet...he looks like the Count himself.

He's running against a Labour government that is unpopular (relatively speaking) because of Iraq, because the economy hasn't been as strong (still doing decently) as before, and large amount of popular anger at the way Blair's handled the EU?

and he's only recieved 38%? on par with Hague and IDS?

Thats terrible for the Tories. With Iraq fading out of the picture and the world economy improving...

A Tory government isn't gonna happen this time...not until they put someone eloquent AND electable at the top...


The Liberal Democrats on the other hand...did pretty damn well/are doing well.

Thats the party to watch.

I agree with you on the Tories, not on the Liberal Democrats, they are really only prominent at the moment because of the war in Iraq, as it dies away from prominence, so will they, fading back to where they have always been.
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« Reply #33 on: June 11, 2004, 10:00:48 AM »

I see the LDs giving the Tories a run for their money--unless the Conservatives shape up--as the Loyal Opposition.

New Labour is so close to what was mainstream conservativism (or what normal tory voters would have voted for) that the Tories have been co-opted....

makes the LDs the natural opposition.

Unless Blair gets ousted and is replaced by someone who's a bit more socialist and old labour...then the Tories can move back to center...until then...they're more right than Labour on the policies people seem to vote for (I can't say of course which...since I don't live in the UK).

Tories really needed to break 40%...maybe Howard can get it done...my money is on that he can't.
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« Reply #34 on: June 11, 2004, 10:02:39 AM »

Yawn...Labour really shouldn't flip out...Its not Howard is actually going to become prime minister...in an age of live TV and internet...he looks like the Count himself.

He's running against a Labour government that is unpopular (relatively speaking) because of Iraq, because the economy hasn't been as strong (still doing decently) as before, and large amount of popular anger at the way Blair's handled the EU?

and he's only recieved 38%? on par with Hague and IDS?

Thats terrible for the Tories. With Iraq fading out of the picture and the world economy improving...

A Tory government isn't gonna happen this time...not until they put someone eloquent AND electable at the top...


The Liberal Democrats on the other hand...did pretty damn well/are doing well.

Thats the party to watch.

Results were mixed for ALL parties (hey: these are local elections after all. The media seems to have forgotten that) and whoever is in power always does badly in them...
Like I said earlier what I get worried by is competent councils getting voted out because of things like Iraq. Ah yes... it is true... the most educated can be the most foolish...
But our whole local government structure is just... daft.
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Re: the % of the vote thingy: that's just plain useless bullsh**t. Basically the BBC added the results for what they decided were "key wards" and did a bit of maths to get "national" results. That sort of gimmik is
a) Useless (hey: it SEATS THAT COUNT YOU IDIOTS. Oh and did I mention that these are local elections?)
b) Innacurate (for obvious reasons)
c) Useless
d) Making a mockery of "local" government.
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As far as the LibDems being ones to watch, that's true, but not in the areas they did well out of protest votes today (hell, they've controlled L'Pool CC for 6 years and didn't even come close to winning back a Westminster Seat last time round), where I'd watch 'em like a hawk is rural areas (bye, bye Ollie, Theresa, David et al. You won't be missed)
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« Reply #35 on: June 11, 2004, 10:05:57 AM »

They could have done a bit better in the south...that would really kill any Tory momentum for next year.

But yeah...I wouldn't worry about this...be thankful the voters chose to vote in a manner  (giving some votes to the LDs, Greens, and not an overwhelming majority to the Con's) and a time that would hurt Labour the least--relatively speaking.

By Next Year Labour should be fine.

I would like to see the Tories do a little better against UKIP though...those guys sorta worry me.
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« Reply #36 on: June 11, 2004, 10:13:20 AM »

They could have done a bit better in the south...that would really kill any Tory momentum for next year.

Sunday (when the Euro results are announced) might do that all on it's own...

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UKIP are scary... and might come 3rd on Sunday Sad
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« Reply #37 on: June 11, 2004, 10:19:05 AM »

hah...a scenario where Al would want Tories to win...

a Tory MEP is better than a UKIP MEP....

heheh.
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« Reply #38 on: June 11, 2004, 10:25:40 AM »

UKIP consider themselves to be a "moderate" party.

Moderate compared to what? The BNP?
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« Reply #39 on: June 11, 2004, 10:35:47 AM »

UKIP consider themselves to be a "moderate" party.

Moderate compared to what? The BNP?

Or Norman "Chingford Skinhead" Tebbit? Grin
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« Reply #40 on: June 11, 2004, 11:09:20 AM »

UPDATE:

Leeds and Doncaster have gone NOC. Not suprising at all. Leeds CC includes a large suburban area (of the liberal yuppie sort), while the Labour council in Donny has been involved in more scandels than I can care to remember... (Donnygate anyone?)

Suprisingly they've kept their majority on Sheffield CC.
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« Reply #41 on: June 11, 2004, 11:52:35 AM »

BNP has picked up 4 seats in Bradford Angry
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« Reply #42 on: June 11, 2004, 12:04:09 PM »

BNP has picked up 4 seats in Bradford Angry

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« Reply #43 on: June 11, 2004, 01:52:14 PM »


That is extremely worrying.

First Epping Forest, now Bradford (of all places). How many seats did the NSDAP BNP win in total?

I'd be lying if I said the rise of the far right didn't bother me.
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« Reply #44 on: June 11, 2004, 01:53:54 PM »

My Constituency was carried by Labour.

Greenwich & Lewisham:

  NAME PARTY VOTE % +/- % VOTES  
  Leonard Duvall LAB 33.3 -9.2 36251  
  Gareth Bacon CON 20.4 -3.2 22168  
  Alexander Feakes LD 17.6 0.5 19183  
  Timothy Reynolds UKIP 12.4 0 13454  
  Susan Luxton GRN 10.4 -2.1 11271  
  Stephen Hammond CPA 3.3 0 3619  
  Ian Page RESP 2.6 0 2825

Large drop for Labour but they still comfortably carried it by 12.9%
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« Reply #45 on: June 11, 2004, 01:55:45 PM »

Overall GLA results:

CON - 31% (-2)
LAB -25% (-7)
LIB DEM 18% (0)
UKIP 10% (+10)
GREEN 8% (-2)
Respect 5% (+5)
TURNOUT 35% (+4)

Look at UKIP... Ouch!
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« Reply #46 on: June 11, 2004, 01:57:32 PM »

Yes I know, scary thing is, they did better than that in my constituency, 12.4%.....

Oh well, Labour still comfortably carried it..... I must find and remove those fascists though..... A friend of mine (he is a Conservative) actually likes their policies.....
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« Reply #47 on: June 11, 2004, 01:58:34 PM »

If you've been watching the 1 O'Clock news Al, you will probably be screaming because the BBC have pretty much called the next general election for the Tories.

The BBC are still bitter over the Hutton Report. They're trying to cause a panic among Labour MPs so they get rid of Blair. I mean, look at this:

"How bad is it for Blair?"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3796497.stm

Dunno about you guys, but to me it seems the BBC may well have a little agenda going on here.
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« Reply #48 on: June 11, 2004, 02:00:45 PM »

Ken's baaaaaaaaaaaaaack!


In other news: Labour have had a last minute surge in Brum (current count[seats]: Lab 46, Con 37, LD 22)

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« Reply #49 on: June 11, 2004, 02:01:38 PM »

Urgh Bexley & Bromley Results:

 NAME PARTY VOTE % +/- % VOTES  
  Robert Neill CON 40.4 -6.8 64246  
  Duncan Borrowman LD 18.9 -2.8 29992  
  Heather Bennett UKIP 16.8 0 26703  
  Charles Mansell LAB 15.6 -6.4 24848  
  Ann Garrett GRN 5.1 -3.0 8069  
  Miranda Suit CPA 2.1 0 3397  
  Alun Morinan RESP 1.1 0 1673


UKIP beat Labour, 16.8% For crying out loud!!!!
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