UK Local Elections / European Parliamentary Elections

[JohnFKennedy]

The UKIP better not get a seat. It would be bloody embarassing in my opinion.

Are you watching it on BBC Newsnight?

They were interviewing people outside the polling station about their votes and some woman came out and said they were trying to "keep politics out of it". The guy just started laughing and said "this is an election".

What a fool that woman was, heh.

I think Ken is going to stay as Mayor.

I believe UKIP also supports isolationism and not trading with anybody don't they?

They have Robert Kilroy Scum Silk in their party, thus, I have no respect for any of them. The man said that all Arabs were terrorists for Christ's sake.

[JohnFKennedy]

Many of the Green seats in Oxford (my town) were on a knife edge before the election, especially my ward, which had a Lib Dem majority of about 12 over the Greens, it didn't take much of a swing. They will probably go into coalition with the Lib Dems to control the council

Oxford Result:
Party - No of seats in 04 (Change)
Lab - 20 (-9)
Lib Dem - 18 (+3)
Green - 7 (+4)
Other - 10 (+6)
No Conservative Councillors.

Ouch.

So far I think Labour have lost 211 Councillors and the Tories have gained something like 101.

[JohnFKennedy]

I know these are no indications of the General Election, I never said they were, merely that Labour have lost a lot of councillors in these elections.

[JohnFKennedy]

If you've been watching the 1 O'Clock news Al, you will probably be screaming because the BBC have pretty much called the next general election for the Tories.

LOL. Oh dear! Not going to happen methinks.

[JohnFKennedy]

Sorry Al but I don't agree. Some people vote at local with national reasons. it's maybe bad but it's the case...

True to a certain degree, but LOCAL elections are a really, really, really bad way to measure political changes... (otherwise the following would have been P.M's: Foot, Kinnock, Hauge, IDS)

Al, see nomorelies' post in the 2004 Election Discussion, he is talking about this. You may have something to add to the discussion.

[JohnFKennedy]

Sorry Al but I don't agree. Some people vote at local with national reasons. it's maybe bad but it's the case...

True to a certain degree, but LOCAL elections are a really, really, really bad way to measure political changes... (otherwise the following would have been P.M's: Foot, Kinnock, Hauge, IDS)

Al, see nomorelies' post in the 2004 Election Discussion, he is talking about this. You may have something to add to the discussion.

I swore at him a bit

I saw He is just quoting bits from the BBC, he failed to quote this though:

This would give the Tories a result on a par with its local election results achieved under William Hague's leadership in 2000.

Hmmm.... I don't recall Hague winning the General Election the following year.....

[JohnFKennedy]

Really, really, really, really, really bad news... the BBC is reporting that the NSDAP BNP have picked up 3 seats in Epping Forest

Urgh..... UKIP have picked up a seat in Hull and one in Derby. .

[JohnFKennedy]

Yawn...Labour really shouldn't flip out...Its not Howard is actually going to become prime minister...in an age of live TV and internet...he looks like the Count himself.

He's running against a Labour government that is unpopular (relatively speaking) because of Iraq, because the economy hasn't been as strong (still doing decently) as before, and large amount of popular anger at the way Blair's handled the EU?

and he's only recieved 38%? on par with Hague and IDS?

Thats terrible for the Tories. With Iraq fading out of the picture and the world economy improving...

A Tory government isn't gonna happen this time...not until they put someone eloquent AND electable at the top...


The Liberal Democrats on the other hand...did pretty damn well/are doing well.

Thats the party to watch.

I agree with you on the Tories, not on the Liberal Democrats, they are really only prominent at the moment because of the war in Iraq, as it dies away from prominence, so will they, fading back to where they have always been.

[JohnFKennedy]

BNP has picked up 4 seats in Bradford

Bugger.

[JohnFKennedy]

My Constituency was carried by Labour.

Greenwich & Lewisham:

  NAME PARTY VOTE % +/- % VOTES  
  Leonard Duvall LAB 33.3 -9.2 36251  
  Gareth Bacon CON 20.4 -3.2 22168  
  Alexander Feakes LD 17.6 0.5 19183  
  Timothy Reynolds UKIP 12.4 0 13454  
  Susan Luxton GRN 10.4 -2.1 11271  
  Stephen Hammond CPA 3.3 0 3619  
  Ian Page RESP 2.6 0 2825

Large drop for Labour but they still comfortably carried it by 12.9%

[JohnFKennedy]

Yes I know, scary thing is, they did better than that in my constituency, 12.4%.....

Oh well, Labour still comfortably carried it..... I must find and remove those fascists though..... A friend of mine (he is a Conservative) actually likes their policies.....

[JohnFKennedy]

Urgh Bexley & Bromley Results:

 NAME PARTY VOTE % +/- % VOTES  
  Robert Neill CON 40.4 -6.8 64246  
  Duncan Borrowman LD 18.9 -2.8 29992  
  Heather Bennett UKIP 16.8 0 26703  
  Charles Mansell LAB 15.6 -6.4 24848  
  Ann Garrett GRN 5.1 -3.0 8069  
  Miranda Suit CPA 2.1 0 3397  
  Alun Morinan RESP 1.1 0 1673


UKIP beat Labour, 16.8% For crying out loud!!!!

[JohnFKennedy]

Urgh Bexley & Bromley Results:

 NAME PARTY VOTE % +/- % VOTES  
  Robert Neill CON 40.4 -6.8 64246  
  Duncan Borrowman LD 18.9 -2.8 29992  
  Heather Bennett UKIP 16.8 0 26703  
  Charles Mansell LAB 15.6 -6.4 24848  
  Ann Garrett GRN 5.1 -3.0 8069  
  Miranda Suit CPA 2.1 0 3397  
  Alun Morinan RESP 1.1 0 1673


UKIP beat Labour, 16.8% For crying out loud!!!!

In Bromley? Hardly surprising, to be honest.

Yes but still.......

[JohnFKennedy]

Full Constituency Results:

Barnet & Camden:

Brian Coleman CON 35.3 2.4 47640  
  Lucy Anderson LAB 26.8 -5.7 36121  
  Jonathan Simpson LD 17.5 -0.2 23603  
  Miranda Dunn GRN 8.8 -2.9 11921  
  Magnus Nielsen UKIP 6.4 4.8 8685  
  Elisabeth Wheatley RESP 3.8 0 5150  
  Humberto Heliotrope CPA 1.4 0 1914


Bexley & Bromley:

Robert Neill CON 40.4 -6.8 64246  
  Duncan Borrowman LD 18.9 -2.8 29992  
  Heather Bennett UKIP 16.8 0 26703  
  Charles Mansell LAB 15.6 -6.4 24848  
  Ann Garrett GRN 5.1 -3.0 8069  
  Miranda Suit CPA 2.1 0 3397  
  Alun Morinan RESP 1.1 0 1673


Brent & Harrow:

Robert Blackman CON 34.0 0.8 39900  
  Toby Harris LAB 30.0 -7.6 35214  
  Havard Hughes LD 17.7 0.1 20782  
  Daniel Moss UKIP 6.1 0 7199  
  Mohammad Ali GRN 5.9 -3.1 6975  
  Albert Harriott RESP 3.9 0 4586  
  Gladstone Macaulay CPA 2.3 0 2734  


City & East:

John Biggs LAB 29.1 -16.9 38085  
  Shafi Choudhury CON 18.1 -1.4 23749  
  Oliur Rahman RESP 15.0 0 19675  
  Guy Burton LD 13.9 -4.6 18255  
  Christopher Pratt UKIP 13.8 0 17997  
  Terry McGrenera GRN 6.6 -5.4 8687  
  Christopher Gill CPA 3.4 0 4461


Croydon & Sutton:

Andrew Pelling CON 38.6 -2.0 52330  
  Steven Gauge LD 21.1 -4.5 28636  
  Sean Fitzsimons LAB 19.1 -5.7 25861  
  James Feisenberger UKIP 11.2 0 15203  
  Shasha Khan GRN 4.6 -2.9 6175  
  David Campanale CPA 3.1 0 4234  
  Waqas Hussain RESP 2.3 0 3108


Ealing & Hillingdon

Richard Barnes CON 32.4 -5.0 45230  
  Gurcharan Singh LAB 24.5 -7.2 34214  
  Michael Cox LD 16.8 -1.7 23440  
  David Malindine UKIP 10.5 0 14698  
  Sarah Edwards GRN 6.7 -3.1 9395  
  Dalawar Chaudhry IND 3.8 0 5285  
  Salvinder Dhillon RESP 3.0 0 4229  
  Genevieve Hibbs CPA 2.2 0 3024


Enfield & Haringey:

Joanne McCartney LAB 29.2 -3.0 33955  
  Peter Forrest CON 27.9 -1.3 32381  
  Wayne Hoban LD 17.0 3.6 19720  
  Brian Hall UKIP 9.2 0 10652  
  Jayne Forbes GRN 8.9 -1.2 10310  
  Sait Akgul RESP 5.9 0 6855  
  Peter Wolstenholme CPA 2.0 0 2365


Greenwich & Lewisham:

Leonard Duvall LAB 33.3 -9.2 36251  
  Gareth Bacon CON 20.4 -3.2 22168  
  Alexander Feakes LD 17.6 0.5 19183  
  Timothy Reynolds UKIP 12.4 0 13454  
  Susan Luxton GRN 10.4 -2.1 11271  
  Stephen Hammond CPA 3.3 0 3619  
  Ian Page RESP 2.6 0 2825  


Havering & Redbridge:

Jeremy Evans CON 34.6 -3.0 44723  
  Keith Darvill LAB 21.7 -8.3 28017  
  Lawrence Webb UKIP 14.2 0 18297  
  Matthew Lake LD 10.6 -2.3 13646  
  Malvin Brown RA 5.4 -6.4 6925  
  Ashley Gunstock GRN 4.7 -1.6 6009  
  Abdurahman Jafar RESP 4.0 0 5185  
  Juliet Hawkins CPA 2.3 0 2917  
  David Stephens TW 1.6 0 2031  
  Peter Thorogood IND 1.2 0 1597


Lambeth & Southwark:

Valerie Shawcross LAB 31.7 -5.9 36280  
  Caroline Pidgeon LD 26.9 4.7 30805  
  Bernard Gentry CON 15.2 -3.9 17379  
  Shane Collins GRN 10.4 -2.7 11900  
  Frank Maloney UKIP 7.7 0 8776  
  Janet Noble RESP 4.3 0 4930  
  Simisola Lawanson CPA 3.2 0 3655  
  Navindh Baburam IND 0.5 0 608


Merton & Wandsworth:

Elizabeth Howlett CON 38.8 -0.7 48295  
  Kathryn Smith LAB 25.3 -3.0 31417  
  Andrew Martin LD 14.4 3.5 17864  
  Roy Vickery GRN 8.2 0.8 10163  
  Adrian Roberts UKIP 6.7 0 8327  
  Ruairidh Maclean RESP 3.5 0 4291  
  Ellen Greco CPA 2.2 0 2782  
  Rathy Alagaratnam IND 1.0 0 1240


North East:

Jennette Arnold LAB 29.1 -7.1 37380  
  Terry Stacy LD 18.7 -2.5 24042  
  Andrew Boff CON 18.1 0.2 23264  
  Jon Nott GRN 13.0 -2.6 16739  
  Robert Selby UKIP 8.9 0 11459  
  Dean Ryan RESP 8.7 0 11184  
  Andrew Otchie CPA 2.5 0 3219  
  James Beavis CPB 1.1 0 1378


South West:

Tony Arbour CON 33.0 -2.4 48858  
  Dee Doocey LD 30.3 0.0 44791  
  Seema Malhotra LAB 17.0 -5.8 25225  
  Alan Hindle UKIP 8.4 0 12477  
  Judy Maciejowska GRN 6.7 -3.2 9866  
  Omar Waraich RESP 2.6 0 3785  
  Peter Flower CPA 2.0 0 3008


West Central:

Angela Bray CON 44.7 0.5 51884  
  Ansuya Sodha LAB 18.9 -8.2 21940  
  Francesco Fruzza LD 15.1 1.9 17478  
  Julia Stephenson GRN 9.3 -2.2 10762  
  Nicholas Hockney UKIP 6.2 0 7219  
  Kevin Cobham RESP 4.2 0 4825  
  Jillian McLachlan CPA 1.7 0 1993

[JohnFKennedy]

By the way, the number after the percentage is the percentage change since the last election.

[JohnFKennedy]

I think these are first preference thingys:

Livingstone   Lab              685,541
Norris            Con              542,423
Hughes         LD                284,645
Maloney        UKIP             115,665
German         Resp./Gall.      67,731
    ?                BNP                58,541
    ?                Green             57,331

BNP -  Leppert
Green - Johnson

[JohnFKennedy]

Darren Johnson was the Green Candidate
Julian Leppert was the BNP candidate

Truth be told, Darren Johnson was an extremely lacklustre candidate for the Greens. He never aroused much sympathy in me. That and he took part in what had to be one of the worst party political adverts in history (some hip hop group rapping "Vote Green, keep it clean!" etc. It was extremely cringe-inducing and didn't do the Green Party any favours.)

Oh yeah! He was the one who rapped about his party on the radio! LOL!

[JohnFKennedy]

What were the 2nd Pref. votes?

We don't have them yet, all we have is what BBC has reported so far, only first preference votes.

[JohnFKennedy]

Okey dokey.

[JohnFKennedy]

Updated the Constituencies data, all reports now in.

[JohnFKennedy]

Interesting, Labour is really picking up support from the working classes and losing the middle classes who were once very strong supporters.

The middle class is presumably now breaking for the Tories and Lib Dems, who did control of those councils go to?

It is an interesting development.

[JohnFKennedy]

So, do you guys have any predictions on the European elections?

Btw, is UKIP really that bad? I thought they cleaned out the racists, etc after the last election? Still, let's keep in mind that we're talking European parliament here...let 'em have it...

We're stable, mature democracies, and we don't need an excessive, bureacratic, African farmer-starving organization to prevent us from engaging in silly wars...I mean, come on...

UKIP support full withdrawal from Europe and an isolationist foreign policy I believe.

[JohnFKennedy]

If the UKIP does well, it is possible its most well known candidate, Richard Kilroy Silk, will replace its current unknown leader. A Kilroy led UKIP would be extremely populist, but I doubt it would be 'phobic' as Kilroy himself is liberal minded socially. If Kilroy did lead, commentors who have seen him in action say he is a fantastic campaigner. If it can outflank the Conservatives and Labour, There could be a 1981 'seismic' shift in voting intentions, aka SDP, though whether that would translate into a good election performance we would have to wait and see. This is, of course, only if Kilroy- a man who speaks his mind- becomes the leader of the party. Don't count them out....just yet

Bearing that in mind- I still wouldn't vote for them

You doubt it would be "phobic"?

Robert Kilroy Silk is the man who said that all Arabs are terrorists.

[JohnFKennedy]

UKIP have severe problems in my eyes, they say that the nation is "full up" and that we should stop immigration because if our people can't do the jobs they aren't necessary effectively. They say there isn't enough space for letting anyone else in and that no asylum seekers should be allowed in.

[JohnFKennedy]

Now, now...I don't think UKIP should be compared to Le Pen or Vlams Blok...there's a marked difference between xenophobic nationalists and racist idiots, IMHO. Vlams Blok vice chairman had to resign after claiming that the Holocaust was very exaggerated. I don't think a lot of people in the UKIP would do that.

One of their new MEP's was a member (and a candidate!) for a white supremicist party.
Kilroy-Silk has made racist remarks about Arabs and Spanish people (he actually lives in a villa in Spain. Hypocrite).

I believe the Arab comment he made was not so much a comment as a long article which can be summed up by his own phrase which he used that "All Arabs are terrorists".