Delgate Count

[jravnsbo]

A thread to keep track of the delegates as we go through the primary process.

IA results--

Howard Dean, 7


John Edwards, 18


Richard Gephardt, 0


John Kerry  20

[Nation]

A good site to bookmark if you're looking to keep track once the major primaries are underway:

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/primaries/pages/scorecard/index.html


Delegate scorecard, with cool pictures and bold print and everything, heh.

[jravnsbo]

yes and another which I've mentioned for other reasons is www.thegreenpapers.com

[NHPolitico]

A good site to bookmark if you're looking to keep track once the major primaries are underway:

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/primaries/pages/scorecard/index.html


Delegate scorecard, with cool pictures and bold print and everything, heh.

Very useful. Thanks.

[MAS117]

does this include super delegates... arent they elected officalls or party people, so basically endorsements do matter

[jravnsbo]

no this is just the regular delegates.

Yes superdelegates are as you describe, so really Dean is still ahead.

does this include super delegates... arent they elected officalls or party people, so basically endorsements do matter

[Wakie]

Superdelegates are not bound.  They can change their vote right up to the last minute.

Truth be told they are more of an honorary position than anything.  They almost always go with the winner of the primaries.

[jravnsbo]

true and there have been some rumblings amongst some of deans.  

However, if he could take the expectations out of it he could be ina  for a long time slugging it out.  Any of the 4 conceiveably have a chance.

Dean needs at least 2d in NH and continuing to get 2-3 throughout the country.  Edwards and Clark need a win feb 3 and or high finishes.  Kerry I don't know.  He has not done anything in Feb 3 states and so i wonder if winning these 2 will be it.  Or will he get the momentum and roll.  

Superdelegates are not bound.  They can change their vote right up to the last minute.

Truth be told they are more of an honorary position than anything.  They almost always go with the winner of the primaries.

[Gustaf]

true and there have been some rumblings amongst some of deans.  

However, if he could take the expectations out of it he could be ina  for a long time slugging it out.  Any of the 4 conceiveably have a chance.

Dean needs at least 2d in NH and continuing to get 2-3 throughout the country.  Edwards and Clark need a win feb 3 and or high finishes.  Kerry I don't know.  He has not done anything in Feb 3 states and so i wonder if winning these 2 will be it.  Or will he get the momentum and roll.  

Superdelegates are not bound.  They can change their vote right up to the last minute.

Truth be told they are more of an honorary position than anything.  They almost always go with the winner of the primaries.

Considering the enormous momentum effect so far in Iowa and New Hampshire, I think Kerry could do reasonably well on Feb 3rd.

[NHPolitico]

true and there have been some rumblings amongst some of deans.  

However, if he could take the expectations out of it he could be ina  for a long time slugging it out.  Any of the 4 conceiveably have a chance.

Dean needs at least 2d in NH and continuing to get 2-3 throughout the country.  Edwards and Clark need a win feb 3 and or high finishes.  Kerry I don't know.  He has not done anything in Feb 3 states and so i wonder if winning these 2 will be it.  Or will he get the momentum and roll.  

Superdelegates are not bound.  They can change their vote right up to the last minute.

Truth be told they are more of an honorary position than anything.  They almost always go with the winner of the primaries.

Considering the enormous momentum effect so far in Iowa and New Hampshire, I think Kerry could do reasonably well on Feb 3rd.

SC could see an Edwards, Kerry, then Clark result. If Kerry can focus on what might sell in SC, he could do it.

[jravnsbo]

War of attrition
    "Once again the mainstream media miss the big picture," Robert Moran writes at National Review Online (www.nationalreview.com).
    "Instead of seeing the forest that is the Democratic primary system, they're analyzing bark. Big mistake," said Mr. Moran, a vice president at Republican polling firm Fabrizio, McLaughlin & Associates Inc.
    "It's always easier for talking heads to focus on the micro-level engagements that a camera can easily capture. But, when actual thought and knowledge of the Democratic primary system comes in, the picture quality starts to blur.
    "The big picture that the mainstream media is missing is that (a) the Democrats are in for a protracted battle for the nomination in which (b) no candidate may be able to garner a majority of the 3,500 pledged delegates. And (c) even if one candidate is able to get the delegates he needs before the process concludes, he will be bloodied and broke.
    "Republicans should be smiling.
    "Newsflash for mainstream journalists: Democratic presidential hopefuls do not actually win states. They win delegates proportionate to their support within that state (Article 2, Section 4b of their charter). The Democratic Party's primary system is not winner-take-all, like the GOP's."

[Gustaf]

War of attrition
    "Once again the mainstream media miss the big picture," Robert Moran writes at National Review Online (www.nationalreview.com).
    "Instead of seeing the forest that is the Democratic primary system, they're analyzing bark. Big mistake," said Mr. Moran, a vice president at Republican polling firm Fabrizio, McLaughlin & Associates Inc.
    "It's always easier for talking heads to focus on the micro-level engagements that a camera can easily capture. But, when actual thought and knowledge of the Democratic primary system comes in, the picture quality starts to blur.
    "The big picture that the mainstream media is missing is that (a) the Democrats are in for a protracted battle for the nomination in which (b) no candidate may be able to garner a majority of the 3,500 pledged delegates. And (c) even if one candidate is able to get the delegates he needs before the process concludes, he will be bloodied and broke.
    "Republicans should be smiling.
    "Newsflash for mainstream journalists: Democratic presidential hopefuls do not actually win states. They win delegates proportionate to their support within that state (Article 2, Section 4b of their charter). The Democratic Party's primary system is not winner-take-all, like the GOP's."

That is true, but doesn't matter until the media says it does, since politics is all about perception.

[jravnsbo]

I d agree with that.  Media built Dean up and tore him down too!

[MAS117]

what is the superdelegate coutn now for each candidate. i believe kerry maybe have 61 nwo withe Fmr. VP Mondale, and the addition of 2 more Senators in his campagin.

[zorkpolitics]

what is the superdelegate coutn now for each candidate. i believe kerry maybe have 61 nwo withe Fmr. VP Mondale, and the addition of 2 more Senators in his campagin.

There is a tally here, though I don't know when it was last updated:
http://www.freewebs.com/goobergunch/gpr.html

[Gustaf]

what is the superdelegate coutn now for each candidate. i believe kerry maybe have 61 nwo withe Fmr. VP Mondale, and the addition of 2 more Senators in his campagin.

There is a tally here, though I don't know when it was last updated:
http://www.freewebs.com/goobergunch/gpr.html

They have the ugliest map of America that I have ever seen...

[MAS117]

that was updated probably last week cause it says kerry has 60 but now he was 61, gustaf that is the uglist map of america

[MAS117]

Delegates Won in N.H. Democratic Primary    
18 minutes ago  

By The Associated Press

Delegates won by each candidate in the Democratic primary in New Hampshire on Tuesday. The allocation reflects the latest vote tabulation.

   

76 percent precincts reporting


Wesley Clark (news - web sites), 0


Howard Dean (news - web sites), 8


John Edwards (news - web sites), 0


John Kerry (news - web sites), 14


Dennis Kucinich (news - web sites), 0


Joe Lieberman (news - web sites), 0


Al Sharpton (news - web sites), 0


Total - 22

[Dave from Michigan]

Does anyone else get really confused when it comes to delegate selection

[MAS117]

ME

[Dave from Michigan]

there needs to be a site where they explain it step by step but it's so complicated that I'd still be confused

[jravnsbo]

NH-- big whoop on deleagates.  Kerry 13  Dean 9

[MAS117]

New Delegate coundt post-Feb. 3rd:

Sen. John Kerry - 244
Gov. Howard Dean - 121
Sen. John Edwards - 102
Gen. Wesley Clark - 79
Rev. Al Sharpton - 5
Rep. Dennis Kucinich - 2

[Gustaf]

New Delegate coundt post-Feb. 3rd:

Sen. John Kerry - 244
Gov. Howard Dean - 121
Sen. John Edwards - 102
Gen. Wesley Clark - 79
Rev. Al Sharpton - 5
Rep. Dennis Kucinich - 2

That includes super delegates, doesn't it?

[Nation]

Yeah, it does. Dean has accumulated the most SDs I believe, but as the joementum (er, kerrymentum) increases, Kerry could overtake him there.