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« on: January 20, 2004, 02:28:09 PM »
Almost makes me feel bad for the guy.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/20/elec.04.prez.gephardt/index.html


Still, you have to admire his service for the last 14 years.
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« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2004, 02:45:50 PM »
Quote from: of_thisnation on January 20, 2004, 02:28:09 PM
Almost makes me feel bad for the guy.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/20/elec.04.prez.gephardt/index.html


Still, you have to admire his service for the last 14 years.

He should have just stayed as House Dem leader.  There's nothing wrong in that.
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« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2004, 02:47:35 PM »
Will his unions change their alignement now? And if, to whom?
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« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2004, 02:50:59 PM »
Quote from: Gustaf on January 20, 2004, 02:47:35 PM
Will his unions change their alignement now? And if, to whom?

Dean got what he got because they viewed him as a winner.  Who on this forum views Dean that way today?  I think the unions who are now free won't go to Dean.
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« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2004, 02:52:18 PM »
Quote from: NHPolitico on January 20, 2004, 02:50:59 PM
Quote from: Gustaf on January 20, 2004, 02:47:35 PM
Will his unions change their alignement now? And if, to whom?

Dean got what he got because they viewed him as a winner.  Who on this forum views Dean that way today?  I think the unions who are now free won't go to Dean.

Then, will they endorse someone else?
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« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2004, 02:55:12 PM »
« Edited: January 20, 2004, 02:55:31 PM by Michael Zeigermann »
I can't see the unions going to Kerry or Lieberman. Not too sure on Dean. Edwards seems the likeliest.
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« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2004, 02:56:14 PM »
Quote from: Michael Zeigermann on January 20, 2004, 02:55:12 PM
I can't see the unions going to Kerry or Lieberman. Not too sure on Dean. Edwards seems the likeliest.

If that happens, Edwards will be looking really good... Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2004, 02:57:07 PM »
who is gephardt endorseing
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« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2004, 02:57:08 PM »
Althought I disagree with him , I've always admired Gephardt. He seems to really love helping people and seems like a pretty nice person.

If I was a Democrat he would've been my first choice.
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« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2004, 02:57:56 PM »

No one currently, and it doesn't look lik he will.
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« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2004, 02:59:55 PM »
Quote from: YoungRepub on January 20, 2004, 02:57:08 PM
Althought I disagree with him , I've always admired Gephardt. He seems to really love helping people and seems like a pretty nice person.

If I was a Democrat he would've been my first choice.

Wel you aren't, and he obviously weren't...

I don't know much about him, but I agree that he appears to be honest and caring. I've never liked protectionists and unions though.
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« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2004, 03:29:44 PM »
Quote from: Gustaf on January 20, 2004, 02:57:56 PM

No one currently, and it doesn't look lik he will.

I'm not sure that after Dean's experiences with endorsements that any of the candidates want any more big endorsements.
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« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2004, 03:30:29 PM »
Quote from: YoungRepub on January 20, 2004, 02:57:08 PM
Althought I disagree with him , I've always admired Gephardt. He seems to really love helping people and seems like a pretty nice person.

If I was a Democrat he would've been my first choice.

He and Lieberman never ran away from their vote in favor of the war and I respect that.
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« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2004, 03:32:20 PM »
Quote from: Michael Zeigermann on January 20, 2004, 02:55:12 PM
I can't see the unions going to Kerry or Lieberman. Not too sure on Dean. Edwards seems the likeliest.

Maybe with the loss of manufacturing jobs in NC and elsewhere and Edwards' speeches about it, his candidacy may really resonate with union voters.  How do unionists view trial lawyers?  Good, I'd guess, but I'm not sure.
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« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2004, 03:56:09 PM »
Quote from: NHPolitico on January 20, 2004, 03:32:20 PM
Maybe with the loss of manufacturing jobs in NC and elsewhere and Edwards' speeches about it, his candidacy may really resonate with union voters.  How do unionists view trial lawyers?  Good, I'd guess, but I'm not sure.

During Edwards' career as a trial lawyer he always used to champion populist causes(ie; Us against Them. Us being normal people, Them being big business) and he's always made a lot of his blue collar background (his Dad was a textile worker).
He was also very nice to Gephardt in his speech last night.
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« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2004, 04:24:07 PM »
Quote from: Realpolitik on January 20, 2004, 03:56:09 PM
Quote from: NHPolitico on January 20, 2004, 03:32:20 PM
Maybe with the loss of manufacturing jobs in NC and elsewhere and Edwards' speeches about it, his candidacy may really resonate with union voters.  How do unionists view trial lawyers?  Good, I'd guess, but I'm not sure.

During Edwards' career as a trial lawyer he always used to champion populist causes(ie; Us against Them. Us being normal people, Them being big business) and he's always made a lot of his blue collar background (his Dad was a textile worker).
He was also very nice to Gephardt in his speech last night.

Yeah, but did he do work for any unions? Any union cases or whatever?
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« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2004, 04:28:39 PM »
Thank you. Mr. gephardt, for your service to my party for 35 years.  You have been a leading Democratic voice for decades.  Thank you.

P.S. run for senate!!!!
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« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2004, 10:20:02 PM »
hes retiring after this term
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« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2004, 10:33:20 PM »

I think Gephardt never ran for major statewide office because he knew it would be a tough race for him.   I don't know that he'd be a very good statewide candidate at all.
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« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2004, 11:58:18 PM »
After how poorly the unions performed in IA, does it matter?

Quote from: Gustaf on January 20, 2004, 02:47:35 PM
Will his unions change their alignement now? And if, to whom?
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« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2004, 12:00:25 AM »
say goodnight Dick

good honest man, thanks for your service.
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« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2004, 12:46:09 AM »
This has to be a big hurt to the Dean campaign. Gephardt did better among blue collar workers, pro-war Democrats, and Moderate to Conservative Democrats. Those Democrats are not as likely to side with Dean(In fact, Kerry and Edwards did well among them in Iowa also), and so I think most Gephardt supporters will side with Dean's rivals. I think this is the beginning of Democrats opposed to Dean's nomination coalescing and joining around candidates other then Dean.
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« Reply #22 on: January 21, 2004, 06:58:37 AM »
Quote from: TomAtPitt on January 21, 2004, 12:46:09 AM
This has to be a big hurt to the Dean campaign. Gephardt did better among blue collar workers, pro-war Democrats, and Moderate to Conservative Democrats. Those Democrats are not as likely to side with Dean(In fact, Kerry and Edwards did well among them in Iowa also), and so I think most Gephardt supporters will side with Dean's rivals. I think this is the beginning of Democrats opposed to Dean's nomination coalescing and joining around candidates other then Dean.

Dean planned for Gephardt to lose on Monday night.  That part came true. Whatever his strategy, he was planning for a post-Gephardt race.  Still, Dean has union support. Maybe some of those Gephardt unionists will join their brothers and sisters with Dean.  We'll know more soon, I'd suspect.
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« Reply #23 on: January 21, 2004, 08:05:25 AM »
Gephardt is like the Dole of the Dem party.
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« Reply #24 on: January 21, 2004, 09:04:37 AM »
« Edited: January 21, 2004, 12:15:15 PM by NHPolitico »
Quote from: Miamiu1027 on January 21, 2004, 08:05:25 AM
Gephardt is like the Dole of the Dem party.

Oddly enough, the Dems had the good sense to not vote for the guy whose raison d'etre was that he was next in line.  I still think Lamar Alexander would have placed better than Dole in 1996. I'll shower now, having used French.
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