NPAT Test: Abortion

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

Fetuses aren't people no matter what screwed up definition you use.

[Friz]

Fetuses aren't people no matter what screwed up definition you use.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Fetuses aren't people no matter what screwed up definition you use.

Well, they are in my definition - and God's - this is why the abortion debate can NEVER be solved - it all goes down to definition of life.  So, let's just call the debate quits b/c I think it's beginning to annoy Alcon.

[Friz]

Just because an invisible man in the sky tells you so, doesn't make it true.

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

Just because an invisible man in the sky tells you so, doesn't make it true.

Indeed.

[Flying Dog]

Fetuses aren't people no matter what screwed up definition you use.

Whatever helps you sleep better at night. They have the POTENTIAL to become a fully grown human being. Grow a heart.

[Friz]

Fetuses aren't people no matter what screwed up definition you use.

Whatever helps you sleep better at night. They have the POTENTIAL to become a fully grown human being. Grow a heart.

Which the fetuses you are advocating don't even have yet.

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

Fetuses aren't people no matter what screwed up definition you use.

Whatever helps you sleep better at night. They have the POTENTIAL to become a fully grown human being. Grow a heart.

Having the potential to become human isn't enough for me. You lose. I win

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Fetuses aren't people no matter what screwed up definition you use.

Whatever helps you sleep better at night. They have the POTENTIAL to become a fully grown human being. Grow a heart.

Which the fetuses you are advocating don't even have yet.

Most fetuses have the potential.

And Straha - it doesn't matter what's enough for you - it matters what God thinks.

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

Fetuses aren't people no matter what screwed up definition you use.

Whatever helps you sleep better at night. They have the POTENTIAL to become a fully grown human being. Grow a heart.

Which the fetuses you are advocating don't even have yet.

Most fetuses have the potential.

And Straha - it doesn't matter what's enough for you - it matters what God thinks.

Yes I know it matters what I think.

[Friz]

Fetuses aren't people no matter what screwed up definition you use.

Whatever helps you sleep better at night. They have the POTENTIAL to become a fully grown human being. Grow a heart.

Which the fetuses you are advocating don't even have yet.

Most fetuses have the potential.

And Straha - it doesn't matter what's enough for you - it matters what God thinks.

The Holy Spirit touched me-- should I call social services?

[Flying Dog]

Fetuses aren't people no matter what screwed up definition you use.

Whatever helps you sleep better at night. They have the POTENTIAL to become a fully grown human being. Grow a heart.

Which the fetuses you are advocating don't even have yet.

Exactly.

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

Fetuses aren't people no matter what screwed up definition you use.

Whatever helps you sleep better at night. They have the POTENTIAL to become a fully grown human being. Grow a heart.

Which the fetuses you are advocating don't even have yet.

Most fetuses have the potential.

And Straha - it doesn't matter what's enough for you - it matters what God thinks.

The Holy Spirit touched me-- should I call social services?

No. You should call the police.

[Ebowed]

Well, read harder (and no, not perfectly healthy, but some instances, the misdiagnosis is a disease where the person can live) - read the part under "Diagnosis":

Erm, it looks to me like it says that the false diagnosis in question is that an anencephalic baby could live for years after birth.

Which is a fact that supports my viewpoint, not yours...

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Well, read harder (and no, not perfectly healthy, but some instances, the misdiagnosis is a disease where the person can live) - read the part under "Diagnosis":

Erm, it looks to me like it says that the false diagnosis in question is that an anencephalic baby could live for years after birth.

Which is a fact that supports my viewpoint, not yours...

How?

[Everett]

And Straha - it doesn't matter what's enough for you - it matters what God thinks.

I asked God what he thinks. I didn't get a response! I demand a full refund.

Well, read harder (and no, not perfectly healthy, but some instances, the misdiagnosis is a disease where the person can live) - read the part under "Diagnosis":

Erm, it looks to me like it says that the false diagnosis in question is that an anencephalic baby could live for years after birth.

Which is a fact that supports my viewpoint, not yours...

How?

How exactly is aborting an anencephalic baby murderous, especially considering that they are permanently unconscious and completely incapable of functioning? Would you be in favour of banning pregnant women carrying such babies from having abortions and, assuming that the babies are even born alive, forcibly keeping them on life support until whenever they die? Keeping an anencephalic baby alive seems far more inhumane than giving it a quick and dignified death.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

And Straha - it doesn't matter what's enough for you - it matters what God thinks.

I asked God what he thinks. I didn't get a response! I demand a full refund.

Well, read harder (and no, not perfectly healthy, but some instances, the misdiagnosis is a disease where the person can live) - read the part under "Diagnosis":

Erm, it looks to me like it says that the false diagnosis in question is that an anencephalic baby could live for years after birth.

Which is a fact that supports my viewpoint, not yours...

How?

How exactly is aborting an anencephalic baby murderous, especially considering that they are permanently unconscious and completely incapable of functioning? Would you be in favour of banning pregnant women carrying such babies from having abortions and, assuming that the babies are even born alive, forcibly keeping them on life support until whenever they die? Keeping an anencephalic baby alive seems far more inhumane than giving it a quick and dignified death.

Because sometimes they are misdiagnosed - that was my whole point.

One of the misdiagnoses is Microcephaly - which you can live w/.

[Ebowed]

Well, read harder (and no, not perfectly healthy, but some instances, the misdiagnosis is a disease where the person can live) - read the part under "Diagnosis":

Erm, it looks to me like it says that the false diagnosis in question is that an anencephalic baby could live for years after birth.

Which is a fact that supports my viewpoint, not yours...

How?

You are saying that a fetus can be misdiagnosed as anencephalic, thus wrongly persuading the couple to get an abortion in such an instance.  The things that you can confuse anencephelia with, however, are simply other types of severe brain dysfunctions.

Wikipedia's mention of false prognoses refers to the idea proposed by some pro-life advocates that the anencephalic baby can live for up to years after birth.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Well, read harder (and no, not perfectly healthy, but some instances, the misdiagnosis is a disease where the person can live) - read the part under "Diagnosis":

Erm, it looks to me like it says that the false diagnosis in question is that an anencephalic baby could live for years after birth.

Which is a fact that supports my viewpoint, not yours...

How?

You are saying that a fetus can be misdiagnosed as anencephalic, thus wrongly persuading the couple to get an abortion in such an instance.  The things that you can confuse anencephelia with, however, are simply other types of severe brain dysfunctions.

Wikipedia's mention of false prognoses refers to the idea proposed by some pro-life advocates that the anencephalic baby can live for up to years after birth.

No - the baby can be misdiagnosed when he/she really has microcephaly - which you can live with.

[Person Man]

One question that was raised in bioethics today-

What exactly is the interest of the state to promote life? Ya know, besides tangible personal protection.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

One question that was raised in bioethics today-

What exactly is the interest of the state to promote life? Ya know, besides tangible personal protection.

Constitution - The gov't should at least protect life - otherwise, why do anything - if you don't promote life, why should you even promote welfare or any public service?

[Person Man]

You don't get it. I mean life as an intangible concept outside of security for those that live beyond a reasonable shadow of the doubt. - and that brings me to another issue.

How can you murder a fetus when you cannot prove that a fetus can be murdered beyond a reasonable doubt?   

....and is a subjective value actually promoted through the means of objective biological reductionism? I mean, if person hood becomes just a chemical process, does that mean that humans are only chemicals to be dealt with in the same way as salts and esters? This leads me to believe that the pro-life movement is an attempt to use people's love of life to devalue it so that it would become socially commendable to make basic human rights into privileges. On the surface, the pro-life movement would seem to be progressive, because it increases the franchise and increases the public interests in those other than ourselves, but it is really reactionary because its goal is the opposite. Just how popular sovereignty was kept at bay using popular sovereignty in the south, in terms of race, since the dawn of our distinct civilization.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

You don't get it. I mean life as an intangible concept outside of security for those that live beyond a reasonable shadow of the doubt. - and that brings me to another issue.

How can you murder a fetus when you cannot prove that a fetus can be murdered beyond a reasonable doubt?   

....and is a subjective value actually promoted through the means of objective biological reductionism? I mean, if person hood becomes just a chemical process, does that mean that humans are only chemicals to be dealt with in the same way as salts and esters? This leads me to believe that the pro-life movement is an attempt to use people's love of life to devalue it so that it would become socially commendable to make basic human rights into privileges. On the surface, the pro-life movement would seem to be progressive, because it increases the franchise and increases the public interests in those other than ourselves, but it is really reactionary because its goal is the opposite. Just how popular sovereignty was kept at bay using popular sovereignty in the south, in terms of race, since the dawn of our distinct civilization.

No, you don't get it - it doesn't matter how we define life - it matters how God defines life.

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

Newsflash there's either no god or she doesn't care.

[Flying Dog]

Yes, the question that scientists and philosophers have pondered for years has been solved by the all wise straha.