NPAT Test: Immigration

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

3,4,5

Why do you believe in letting terrorists go through our southern border?

[Friz]

Are you kidding?

Sorry, I am not.  Illegal immigrants are human lives too.

Being human doesn't mean I want you in the US, using up taxpayers services. I see no reason why we should have open borders because illegals happen to be the same species as everyone else.

Unfortunately, this kind of hate is common and why such unjust laws exist.

[NDN]

It's not hate, it's practicality. We only have so many funds for social services. Why should illegal immigrants who in many cases pay no taxes have access to public education, welfare, etc.? I could understand providing them with emergency care, but really I see no reason why we should allow them to drain our resources. Especially now when our government literally can't afford to do much more to help the unfortunate. Stuff like this is exactly why Democrats and Progressives in particular get a bad name (though mercifully, many have the sense to recognize this).

[angus]

I think the occasional blanket amnesty is a good thing.  House cleaning, of sorts.  And it sends a positive message about us to the world.  I voted for that one.  Most of the rest of them I'm either against outright or have reservations about and am wavering. 

In general I think immigration is overplayed and overemphasized relative to other issues.

[NDN]

In general I think immigration is overplayed and overemphasized relative to other issues.

Yes and No. I think that people have a tendency to over-emphasize some aspects of this, while ignoring others. For example, I think the full extent of the damage caused by illegal immigration is not well recognized. Few understand the extensive environmental damage caused by hundreds of thousands annually crossing the border for example. Or the spread of TB and other easily preventable diseases that otherwise would not exist in this country. Instead most of the focus is on the supposed ways in which this has caused wages to go do significantly, crime, and security. While those are valid concerns, those are far from the only ones and in many cases truly are overplayed.

[angus]

Good points.  But since it is the crime/security/terrorism aspect that is played, then it is overplayed.  I also think the economic effect is overplayed.  Then again, I'm no fan of a federally-mandated minimum wage in the first place, so it's not surprising that I don't have any ethical qualms with my congressman hiring labor under the table at whatever wage the market will sustain. 

I agree with your emphasis on ecological problems.  And in fact I've mentioned that before in this forum, most often in connection with discussions about proposed fences and walls.

I have to admit I hadn't thought much about the health problems.  I'll think about that some more.

[Friz]

It's not hate, it's practicality. We only have so many funds for social services. Why should illegal immigrants who in many cases pay no taxes have access to public education, welfare, etc.? I could understand providing them with emergency care, but really I see no reason why we should allow them to drain our resources. Especially now when our government literally can't afford to do much more to help the unfortunate. Stuff like this is exactly why Democrats and Progressives in particular get a bad name (though mercifully, many have the sense to recognize this).

That's really what I am trying to say, but unfortunately, emergency care was not one of the selectable options.  As I said in another thread, immigrants should register as citizens so they can enjoy the American dream of paying taxes like the rest of us.

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

Why? We have enough citizens. Although if you were willing to start deporting heartland whites to south africa I'd be perfectly willing to further open mexican immigration like you favor.

[Friz]

Why? We have enough citizens. Although if you were willing to start deporting heartland whites to south africa I'd be perfectly willing to further open mexican immigration like you favor.

Fortunately with the bigotry and xenophobia becoming the norm in this country, level-headed people will move to other countries, like Canada or France (if they get their act together).  So there will be plenty of room.

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

Bigotry and xenophobia isn't the norm here.

[Friz]

Bigotry and xenophobia isn't the norm here.

Yeah, sorry it is.

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

No its not. How is it "bigotry and xenophobia" to support border enforcement?

[Friz]

No its not. How is it "bigotry and xenophobia" to support border enforcement?

I was not referring to border enforcement specifically, which should be encouraged.  I am referring to other remarks made here that imply xenophobia such as the suggestion that all immigration (even legal immigration at that!) should be ceased.  That is indeed the essence of xenophobia.

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

No its not. How is it "bigotry and xenophobia" to support border enforcement?

I was not referring to border enforcement specifically, which should be encouraged.  I am referring to other remarks made here that imply xenophobia such as the suggestion that all immigration (even legal immigration at that!) should be ceased.  That is indeed the essence of xenophobia.

Not all immigration needs to be ceased. We simply need to move our immigration policy more towards economic needs(as in skilled labor) and cut down on unskilled labor coming in(we can use mexico for this. No need to let in refugees). The goal is a sustainable population(as in growth barely above replacement).

[Democratic Hawk]

2 and 3

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

2 and 3

Why do you want to incentivize sneaking in illegally?

[Mesu]

options 4,5, and 6(use the border patrol to monitor the minutemen projects to keep them from using violence).

[Tetro Kornbluth]

3 and 5

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[Governor PiT]

1 and 2

[Governor PiT]

Why? We have enough citizens. Although if you were willing to start deporting heartland whites to south africa I'd be perfectly willing to further open mexican immigration like you favor.

why deport them to SA if anyting we should make it easier for Afrikaners to immigrate to the US.

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

Why? We have enough citizens. Although if you were willing to start deporting heartland whites to south africa I'd be perfectly willing to further open mexican immigration like you favor.

why deport them to SA if anyting we should make it easier for Afrikaners to immigrate to the US.

We already have enough bigoted heartland whites. We don't need anymore Afrikaners.

[Governor PiT]

they either need a homeland in SA. there are charities that help sponsor Afrikaners families to immigration. they are facing genocide yet the Zionist media is silent, and it is almost impossible to immigrate to Europe yet they welcome 1000's of non-European refugee's.

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

The Afrikaners have a homeland: The netherlands.

[Governor PiT]

If the Netherlands actually welcomed them in and kicked out all non Euro's that would be great but there not welcome. Afrikaners are to Holland what Cajuns are to France.

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

Too bad. Not like I care about the Afrikaners.