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WalterMitty
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which presidential candidate was weaker?
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id lean towards dukakis.
i know it is tempting to say mondale since he carried only one state. but one must remember he was going against an extremely popular incumbent.
hypothetically speaking, mondale could have performed better in 88 than dukakis.
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Dukakis, because 1988 was a winnable race. 1984 and 1996 weren't really competitive.
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Re: which presidential candidate was weaker?
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Quote from: © Boss Tweed on September 04, 2006, 01:15:29 pm
Dukakis, because 1988 was a winnable race. 1984 and 1996 weren't really competitive.
did dukakis do better than jesse jackson would have done? people forget just how close jackson came to winning the nomination.
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Re: which presidential candidate was weaker?
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I voted for Mondale in 84 before giving it much thought...but Tweed is probably right.
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Re: which presidential candidate was weaker?
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Mike Dukakis.
Dukakis actually lead Bush by 17 points after the Democratic National Convention (of course, there's no way any candidate could've held that margin). Mondale and Dole never had the luxury of leading their respective opponents.
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Re: which presidential candidate was weaker?
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Quote from: WalterMitty on September 04, 2006, 01:18:34 pm
Quote from: © Boss Tweed on September 04, 2006, 01:15:29 pm
Dukakis, because 1988 was a winnable race. 1984 and 1996 weren't really competitive.
did dukakis do better than jesse jackson would have done? people forget just how close jackson came to winning the nomination.
I think Dukakis definitely did better than Jackson would have done. Jackson would most likely only have carried Washington DC. It would have been a 50-state defeat. A 40-state defeat is better than a 50-state defeat.
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Dr. Cynic
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Dukakis managed to squander a huge lead. Mondale never had a chance to begin with, and he actually came out swinging in the great debates with Reagan. I feel kinda sorry for Bob Dole's peanut butter and Bob Dole's chair... They all never had a chance.
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Dukakis was weakest, in my opinion.
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Re: which presidential candidate was weaker?
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Quote from: © Boss Tweed on September 04, 2006, 01:15:29 pm
Dukakis, because 1988 was a winnable race. 1984 and 1996 weren't really competitive.
I agree completely.
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Re: which presidential candidate was weaker?
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Walter Mondale and Bob Dole were experienced politicians, having spent a life in Washington. Mike Dukakis was an ultra-liberal from my state who was weak on crime. The previous statement may not be true, but the fact that he let himself be portrayed as that shows his weakness as a candidate.
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The 1988 Democratic ticket would have won had Lloyd Bentsen been running for president and Dukakis for veep.
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Quote from: Senator Virginian87 on September 09, 2006, 10:12:04 am
The 1988 Democratic ticket would have won had Lloyd Bentsen been running for president and Dukakis for veep.
True.
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Re: which presidential candidate was weaker?
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Quote from: Joel on September 09, 2006, 11:44:00 am
Quote from: Senator Virginian87 on September 09, 2006, 10:12:04 am
The 1988 Democratic ticket would have won had Lloyd Bentsen been running for president and Dukakis for veep.
True.
I also agree with that.
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kashifsakhan
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Re: which presidential candidate was weaker?
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September 11, 2006, 05:33:52 am »
Quote from: Michael Z on September 09, 2006, 11:45:52 am
Quote from: Joel on September 09, 2006, 11:44:00 am
Quote from: Senator Virginian87 on September 09, 2006, 10:12:04 am
The 1988 Democratic ticket would have won had Lloyd Bentsen been running for president and Dukakis for veep.
True.
I also agree with that.
me too. I've said that so many times, then again, so has almost everyone who discusses the 88 campaign..
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Dr. Cynic
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Re: which presidential candidate was weaker?
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Quote from: kashifsakhan on September 11, 2006, 05:33:52 am
Quote from: Michael Z on September 09, 2006, 11:45:52 am
Quote from: Joel on September 09, 2006, 11:44:00 am
Quote from: Senator Virginian87 on September 09, 2006, 10:12:04 am
The 1988 Democratic ticket would have won had Lloyd Bentsen been running for president and Dukakis for veep.
True.
I also agree with that.
me too. I've said that so many times, then again, so has almost everyone who discusses the 88 campaign..
I agree completely as well. On a score of fitness, Senator Bentsen far outshined the head of the ticket. In my opinion, he deserved a shot at the Presidency, and probably would have won.
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Dukakis was the weakest of the bunch. From Willie Horton to the tank, he was an utter embarrassment.
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Brutus
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September 21, 2006, 07:14:49 pm »
Dukakis was like a preview of John Kerry. Both dull north-easterners that put you to sleep when they talked. Ultimately, Dukakis was done in by Bush's false promise: "Read my lips, no new taxes."
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Re: which presidential candidate was weaker?
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Quote from: Brutus on September 21, 2006, 07:14:49 pm
Dukakis was like a preview of John Kerry. Both dull north-easterners that put you to sleep when they talked. Ultimately, Dukakis was done in by Bush's false promise: "Read my lips, no new taxes."
No, he was done in by the "if your wife was raped" question, Willie Horton, and the tank.
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Re: which presidential candidate was weaker?
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Mondale. Dukakis is a close second. Dole did OK compared to both those guys.
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Quote from: Joel on September 09, 2006, 08:43:05 am
Walter Mondale and Bob Dole were experienced politicians, having spent a life in Washington. Mike Dukakis was an
ultra-liberal
from my state who was weak on crime. The previous statement may not be true, but the fact that he let himself be portrayed as that shows his weakness as a candidate.
Dukakis was a DLC-guy and very pragmatic.
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Re: which presidential candidate was weaker?
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Quote from: ATFFL on October 04, 2006, 11:15:12 am
Quote from: Max on October 04, 2006, 02:12:38 am
Dukakis was a DLC-guy and very pragmatic.
Reality called. She wants a divorce.
You, apparently, have already begun the paperwork.
You know, that's what I read about him and what most people told me about him.
But of course, for some people everyone who is to the left of Reagan is seen as an "ultra-liberal".
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Re: which presidential candidate was weaker?
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While Dukakis threw away what should have been an easy election for the Democrats, he never pledged to raise taxes like Mondale did. It's tough, but any candidate stupid enough to say he is going to raise taxes during a run for president is definiately a weak one.
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Quote from: adam on October 14, 2006, 11:36:59 pm
While Dukakis threw away what should have been an easy election for the Democrats,
I still think Bush was a shoo-in for '88 and Dukakis was the proverbial lamb to the slaughter. That said, Hart probably could have given Bush a run for his money had it not been for the Donna Rice affair.
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Quote from: adam on October 14, 2006, 11:36:59 pm
While Dukakis threw away what should have been an easy election for the Democrats,
I still think Bush was a shoo-in for '88 and Dukakis was the proverbial lamb to the slaughter. That said, Hart probably could have given Bush a run for his money had it not been for the Donna Rice affair.
Dukakis had something like a 17 point lead after the Democratic Convention. Regardless of who you are running against, it is hard to lose by as much as Dukakis did, after leading by as much as he did.
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I would also have to say Dukakis, Reagan and Clinton were not going to be defeated.
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