NPAT Test: National Security and Terrorism

[frihetsivrare]

Bring EVERY American soldier home from around the world. 
Let there be strong militias at the state and local level. 
Decentralise the military, but still have a small federal force.

If all American troops were brought home, maybe people around the world would not feel much animosity towards the United States.  Other than those three things I support absolutely nothing regarding this.  There would be no need for banning torture if these became policy.

[Frodo]

If all American troops were brought home, maybe people around the world would not feel much animosity towards the United States. 

They feel animosity toward us because of the fact that we are 'number one', the sole remaining superpower, and there is a not damn thing we can do to change that.  It comes with the territory.  We might as well get used to it.   

[Friz]

Option 5.  The others are ridiculous.

[angus]

I don't think throwing money at all problems necessarily fixes them, and I think we have too big a budget deficit to begin with, so I'm against #4.  And I don't support torture or pre-emptive wars, so I'm against those.  Also, I think once we admit that military tribunals (in which the burden of proof lies with the defense, rather than the prosecution as in civilian criminal courts), then we have admitted defeat.  If the terrorists' actions cause us not only to devalue our constitutional liberties, but also to stop having the courtesy of extending them to non-citizens, then the terrorists will have won.  So I voted against #1 as well.

I do think we can put pressure on other governments, as in fact we already do.  But we could do more in that regard.  And I think a guarantee that we won't resort to torture gives us the sort of moral high ground which could be used to build goodwill.  I also think we could take proactive measures in impoverished areas like Sudan to make it harder to recruit frustrated, poor people in the first place.  And bowls of rice are certainly cheaper than the guns, uniforms, and funerals for US soldiers that we end up paying for anyway with our tax dollars.  So it makes economic sense, so I voted for the third and fifth options. 

[Democratic Hawk]

1, 2, 3, 4 and 6

[Mesu]

option #5

[Tetro Kornbluth]

Bring the troops home from Iraq and use them to secure our borders.
Deport all illegal aliens
Deport anyone who overstays their visa.
Don't allow people from hostile  countries into the US except when there are extremely compelling reasons.
Develop and implement a missile defense system capable of stopping at least a small attack. ( I think this already exists. )
Monitor mosques in the US. Deport or prosecute anyone  promoting violence against the US.
Tighten screening at ports to reduce the risk of WMDs being shipped in.

Change our foreign policy so that we are not doing things to deliberately antagonize others. Bring most of our troops home from foreign countries.

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I voted for 3, 4 and 5 btw. Though I'd like more detail on 3 and 4. Especially does #3 refer to cases like Pakistan where the goverment funds Madrassa schools or cases like Germany where many of the 9\11 highjackers were based (and there was a recent foiled terrorist plot or so it seemed...) or both.

[Boris]

1, 2, 3, 4 and 6

Why don't you support prohibiting torture?

[Ebowed]

1, 2, 3, 4 and 6

Why don't you support prohibiting torture?

I don't know, why do you want the terrorists to win?

[David S]

Bring the troops home from Iraq and use them to secure our borders.
Deport all illegal aliens
Deport anyone who overstays their visa.
Don't allow people from hostile  countries into the US except when there are extremely compelling reasons.
Develop and implement a missile defense system capable of stopping at least a small attack. ( I think this already exists. )
Monitor mosques in the US. Deport or prosecute anyone  promoting violence against the US.
Tighten screening at ports to reduce the risk of WMDs being shipped in.

Change our foreign policy so that we are not doing things to deliberately antagonize others. Bring most of our troops home from foreign countries.

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If you're being serious then tell me which of my comments you disagree with and why.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

Bring the troops home from Iraq and use them to secure our borders.
Deport all illegal aliens
Deport anyone who overstays their visa.
Don't allow people from hostile  countries into the US except when there are extremely compelling reasons.
Develop and implement a missile defense system capable of stopping at least a small attack. ( I think this already exists. )
Monitor mosques in the US. Deport or prosecute anyone  promoting violence against the US.
Tighten screening at ports to reduce the risk of WMDs being shipped in.

Change our foreign policy so that we are not doing things to deliberately antagonize others. Bring most of our troops home from foreign countries.

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If you're being serious then tell me which of my comments you disagree with and why.

Well for start you seem to favour 'libertarianism' if it happens to involve US citizens - not that THAT is particularly surprising, after all your of the ideology which believes that Teachers should own guns in classrooms and warns to scrap antitrust laws.

As for your points, apart from the fact that all of them seem to dramatically increase the size of goverment, there are much greater concerns:

1) Bring the troops Home - and leave Iraq in chaos where warlords and Iranian-sympathetic regimes will take over? Surely that would increase the chances of a terrorist attack, no? Yes it was a mistake to invade Iraq but that's 2003 now. As for your borders, protect them from what exactly? Mexicans?

2) And this will help fight terrorism... how? (See #3)

3) How Authoritian of you. You do realize that the vast majority of immigrants just work (mainly in sh**t jobs, which many Americans with so-called social ambition would put way below their station) and are no threat at all to the United States?

4) Define 'hostile countries' - Is Iraq a hostile country? Or Saudi Arabia? Or Great Britain or Germany as there have been terrorist cells located there? Specify what and how this will be achieved.

5) A small attack from what? Anyway it's unlikely there will be a terrorist attack from a missile. Next again they'll go for the spectacular again. Something that can be caught on TV. It's where they get some of their power from.

6) See "You're a pretty fascist libertarian" - Though under these laws Pat Robertson should be deported, no? Or does this law only apply to brown people, like the great Mexican menace?

7) Nothing against that. But how?

8 ) Sadly it's too late at this stage, all America can now is sand over some of the festering wounds.

[Ebowed]

I'm still lol'ing at mandatory monitoring of all mosques.

[frihetsivrare]

If all American troops were brought home, maybe people around the world would not feel much animosity towards the United States. 

They feel animosity toward us because of the fact that we are 'number one', the sole remaining superpower, and there is a not damn thing we can do to change that.  It comes with the territory.  We might as well get used to it.   

The United States seems like number one because of all of this damn intervention around the world.  If the federal government adopted a foreign policy like many European nations, that would change.  None of these terrorist groups try much at all in Europe, especially France and Italy of the large countries.  Why is Russia not a superpower any longer?  They don't interfere with other countries' affairs anywhere near as much.  The Soviet economy was not even close to the best of the eastern bloc nations; but it still had the military might, which made it the superpower.  The best economy of those was East Germany.  The USA could still be an economic power, like Japan, and still not have people coming over here to attack.  How many troops does Japan have in other nations? or France?  The main reason that so many South Koreans hate the United States is the 37,000 American troops stationed there.  Superpower is another word for empire.

To everyone reading this thread: most of the terrorists are not who you think they are.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

If all American troops were brought home, maybe people around the world would not feel much animosity towards the United States. 

They feel animosity toward us because of the fact that we are 'number one', the sole remaining superpower, and there is a not damn thing we can do to change that.  It comes with the territory.  We might as well get used to it.   

The United States seems like number one because of all of this damn intervention around the world.  If the federal government adopted a foreign policy like many European nations, that would change.  None of these terrorist groups try much at all in Europe, especially France and Italy of the large countries.  Why is Russia not a superpower any longer?  They don't interfere with other countries' affairs anywhere near as much.  The Soviet economy was not even close to the best of the eastern bloc nations; but it still had the military might, which made it the superpower.  The best economy of those was East Germany.  The USA could still be an economic power, like Japan, and still not have people coming over here to attack.  How many troops does Japan have in other nations? or France?  The main reason that so many South Koreans hate the United States is the 37,000 American troops stationed there.  Superpower is another word for empire.

To everyone reading this thread: most of the terrorists are not who you think they are.

While there is some truth to the Bold bit, the rest of the post made me LOL.

[Person Man]

3 4 5 - Don't get mad- get even, but don't do anything wierd, distasteful or counter-productive.