A child is more likely to be brainwashed in...

[bgwah]

Well?

[opebo]

Obviously everything that occurs in a church is brainwashing.  Only part of what occurs in public school is such.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

With few exceptions, most kids spend far more time in public schools, so the opportunities are greater there.

[Bono]

Public school. There are no compulsory church attendance laws.

[minionofmidas]

Obviously, it is impossible to wash brains. As you all should know by now.

[Joe Republic]

With few exceptions, most kids spend far more time in public schools, so the opportunities are greater there.

Public school. There are no compulsory church attendance laws.

Both of you are assuming that public school and church are equally liable to brainwash their patrons, and have concluded that since children spend more time in school, they are more likely to be brainwashed.  That is a logical fallacy.

[Speed of Sound]

Church. Schools dont use scare tactics or talk of wonderful candy lands filled with happiness and joy. Far better reels for the church.

[John Dibble]

Church. Schools dont use scare tactics or talk of wonderful candy lands filled with happiness and joy. Far better reels for the church.

I take it you've never attended any of those anti-drug talks they have in schools?

And I also suppose you never played Candy Land in kindergarten?


Answering the question, I don't find it likely in either that true brainwashing would occur. Brainwashing is a serious process. Of course, both have their own propoganda they spout, but it can hardly be called brainwashing. If I had to choose, I'd say church simply because the church would be chosen by the parents and children generally look to their parents for guidance, so if brainwashing were to occur the parents would likely be in on it there. Of course it would likely be a cult church for that to happen, which most churches are not.

[Nym90]

Church for the reasons Dibble stated.

[nclib]

There are no compulsory church attendance laws.

Parents could still force a child to attend church.

Voted option 1, though I'm not convinced that a public school does more brainwashing than a private school.

[Nym90]

There are no compulsory church attendance laws.

Parents could still force a child to attend church.

Voted option 1, though I'm not convinced that a public school does more brainwashing than a private school.

Not to mention that public school isn't compulsory by law, just school.

And I agree that private schools are at least as bad if not worse in brainwashing as well.

[Bono]

Church. Schools dont use scare tactics or talk of wonderful candy lands filled with happiness and joy. Far better reels for the church.

No, they just feed people Ritalin.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

With few exceptions, most kids spend far more time in public schools, so the opportunities are greater there.

Public school. There are no compulsory church attendance laws.

Both of you are assuming that public school and church are equally liable to brainwash their patrons, and have concluded that since children spend more time in school, they are more likely to be brainwashed.  That is a logical fallacy.

Read what I said more carefully, Joe.  I only pointed out that the public schools have more opportunity to brainwash.  I said nothing about the relative success of churches and public schools in their efforts at instilling mental hygene.

[??????????]

option 2 of course.

[Dr. Cynic]

Both.

Schools in many cases do nothing but attempt to supress individuality, and often belittle a child for being different in some way.

You all know my opinions on religion, so I won't bother to go into it at this point.

[Alcon]

Well...

I've never seen a church that presents the facts and then says, "but, well, some people disagree, and you can never be certain."  At worst, a school "brainwashes" just as much as the most liberal church.

Brainwashing, in the sense that it actually should be used, is proably not anything that would be happening outside of a cult.

option 2 of course.

When are you going to realise that the Opebo strategy of debating (stating something subjective, and adding an objective modifier) works on no one?

[Colin]

I would have to say both. In school there is a definent bit of brainwashing, mostly to do away with individuality and problems in children, but I think there is probably more in religion. Though it is not compulsory that you attend church within the confines of a religious practive there is no real discussion, no opposing viewpoints, no debating theological opinions, except possibly Quakers and Unitarians and they don't count anyway.

At least in school they do allow you to debate topics, especially by the high school level, and do, in some ways, allow you to open your mind to broader understandings. This of course doesn't work in a religion where its their practices or damnation.

[jerusalemcar5]

Any religious institution of course, except for liberal, modernized ones that focus more on spirituality than mythical explanations that challenge science.  A public high school I would say has very little brain wash, but middle and elementary are fairly high, but not as much as crazy fundamentalist churches, synagogues, mosques, etc.

[Citizen James]

Church. Schools dont use scare tactics or talk of wonderful candy lands filled with happiness and joy. Far better reels for the church.

No, they just feed people Ritalin.

That's right, and we use electro-convulsive therapy on students who continue to misbehave.

Just look at  article 666 of the uniform school code which allows educational institutions to force controled substances on students with neither a prescription from a medical doctor nor parental permission.

Plus we give the students birth control before pairing them up and breeding them as part of the new 'evil liberal' sex ed.

I won't go into the human anatomy class, other than to state there are worse punishments than detention and Saturday school.

Mwahahahahahaha

</satire> <- note for the sarcasm impaired

[??????????]

Bono does make a good point though James. Ritalin is WAY over prescribed.

option 2 of course.

When are you going to realise that the Opebo strategy of debating (stating something subjective, and adding an objective modifier) works on no one?

It's not like my opinion is going to be changing anytime soon on almost any issue...so....

[Citizen James]

Bono does make a good point though James. Ritalin is WAY over prescribed.

option 2 of course.

When are you going to realise that the Opebo strategy of debating (stating something subjective, and adding an objective modifier) works on no one?

It's not like my opinion is going to be changing anytime soon on almost any issue...so....

That is possible.  Though the schools can only implement the choice of the parents.  The most the schools can do on their own is recomend that the student be evaluated for ADD/ADHD.  Only the doctor chosen by the students parents can choose whether or not to prescribe Ritalin, and the parents choose whether the student will take the medication.  The student can only take the meds at school if both the parent and the doctor sign off on doing so.

[adam]

I  fail to see the difference between the two anymore.

[ATFFL]

Bono does make a good point though James. Ritalin is WAY over prescribed.

It's both under and over perscribed. 

Ritalin is a wonderful tool that, if used right, can be of enourmous benefit to a child.

Ritalin is not a cure all for any kid that is a little overactive.

[© tweed]

I  fail to see the difference between the two anymore.

You fail to see the difference between a church and a school?  Or you fail to see the difference in the likelyhood of a child being brainwashed between the two?

[adam]

I  fail to see the difference between the two anymore.

You fail to see the difference between a church and a school?  Or you fail to see the difference in the likelyhood of a child being brainwashed between the two?

The latter.