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« on: October 01, 2021, 09:17:32 PM »
« edited: October 03, 2021, 11:21:51 PM by JD Vance for Senate »

In this alternative history scenario, the election of 1876 goes worse than IOTL and triggers a scenario in which destroys both the GOP and Dems. America is now broken up into two party systems. There's also no Jim Crow in this timeline, as Blacks were initially divided between the two parties, leading to a fear of alienation, which means that The Solid South might not have existed, at least as fiercely. What do you think some electoral college votes would look like?

bold designates winners

Election of 1880:

1880:

People's Party: James Weaver/Barzillai Chambers
Reform Party: Winfield Hancock/William English

E.V. 190-179
States carried: CO, NE, KS, TX, LA, MS, AL, TN, AR, MO, IA, MN, WI, IL, IN, MI, KY, WV, OH

1884:

People's Party: James Weaver/Barzillai Chambers
Reform Party: Grover Cleveland/Thomas Hendricks

E.V. 212-189
States carried: CA, OR, FL, GA, SC, NC, VA, MD, DE, WV, OH, PA, NJ, NY, CT, RI, MA, VT, NH, ME

1888:

People's Party: Alson Streeter/Charles Cunningham
Reform Party: Grover Cleveland/Allen Thurman

E.V. 241-160
States carried: TX, CO, KS, NE, MN, IA, MO, AR, KY, IL, WI, MI, IN, OH, WV, PA, LA, CT, VT, ME

1892:

People's Party: Alson Streeter/Charles Cunningham
Reform Party: Grover Cleveland/Allen Thurman

E.V. 300-144
States carried:  AR, MO, IA, WI, IL, IN, MI, OH, KY, WV, NC, VA, MD, DE, PA, NJ, NY, CT, RI, MA, VT, NH, ME

1896:

People's Party: William Jennings Bryan/Thomas Watson
Reform Party: William McKinley/Garret Hobart

E.V.271-176
Same as OTL

1900:
People's Party: William Jennings Bryan/Aldai Stenvson I
Reform Party: William McKinley/David Henderson

E.V. 292-155
Same as OTL

1904:

People's Party: Eugene Debs/Benjamin Hanford
Reform Party: David Henderson/Charles Fairbanks

E.V. 358-118
States carried: CO, NE, SD, ND, IA, MO, AR, LA, TX, MS, AL, TN, KY, WV, IN, MI, FL, GA, SC, NC, VA, MD, PA, DE, NJ, NY, CT, RI, MA, VT, NH, ME

1908:

People's Party: William Jennings Bryan/John Kern
Reform Party: William Taft/James Sherman

E.V. 321-162
E.V. Same as OTL

1912:

People's Party: Eugene Debs/Emil Seidel
Reform Party: William Taft/Nicholas Butler

E.V. 317-214
States won: Every state west of The Mississippi River plus IL, WI, IN, MI, OH, WV+PA

1916:

People's Party:Eugene Debs/Emil Seidel
Reform Party: Woodrow Wilson/John Davis--In this timeline he remains a Bourbon Democrat.
E.V. 393-133
States won: CA, OR, WA, NV, UT, CO, TX, OK, KS, NE, SD, MN, IA, MO, AR, LA, IL, WI, MI, IN, OH, DE, MD, PA, NJ, NY, CT, RI, MA, ME

1920:

People's Party: Parley Christenson/Max Hayes
Reform Party: Warren Harding/Calvin Coolidge

E.V. 366-165
States won: CA, OR, AZ, NV, ID, TX, OK, NE, KS, ND, MN, all the states East of the Mississippi except for WI, IL, IN & MI.

1924:

People's Party: Robert LaFollette/Burton Wheeler
Reform Party: Calvin Coolidge/Charles Dawes

E.V. 425-106
States won: NV, UT, CO, NM, TX, OK, KS, LA, AR, MO, every state East of The Mississippi River except for WI.

1928:

People's Party: Joseph Robinson/Franklin Roosevelt
Reform Party: Herbert Hoover/Charles Curtis

E.V. 408-123
States won: Same as OTL except SC+NY switch.

1932 Election:

People's Party: Franklin Roosevelt/Henry Wallace
Reform Party: Herbert Hoover/Charles Curtis

Same as OTL

1936 Election:

People's Party: Franklin Roosevelt/Henry Wallace
Reform Party: Alf Landon/Frank Knox

Same as OTL

1940 Election:

People's Party: Franklin Roosevelt/Henry Wallace
Reform Party: Wendell Willkie/Charles McNary

Same as OTL

1944 Election

People's Party: Franklin Roosevelt/Harry Truman
Reform Party: Thomas Dewey/Earl Warren

Same as OTL

1948 Election:

People's Party: Harry Truman/Alben Barkley
Reform Party: Thomas Dewey/Earl Warren

Same as OTL plus Thurmond states going to Truman

1952 Election:

People's Party: Henry Wallace/Glen Taylor
Reform Party: Dwight Eisenhower/Richard Nixon

EC: 342-189
States carried: UT, NM, CO, WY, TX, OK, KS, NE, SD, MO, AR, LA, MS, AL, FL, GA, SC, TN, NC, VA, KY, WV, IL, IN, MI, OH, PA, DE, CT, VT, NH, ME

1956 Election:

People's Party: Vincent Hallinan/Charlotta Bass
Reform Party: Dwight Eisenhower/Richard Nixon

States carried: WA, ID, NV, AZ, NM, UT, WY, TX, OK, KS, NE, SD, ND, IA, MO, AR, LA, MS, AL, FL, GA, TN, KY, WV, IL, IN, MI, OH, SC, NC, VA, DE, PA, CT, MA, VT, NH, ME

EC:386-145

1960 Election:

People's Party: John F. Kennedy/Lyndon Johnson
Reform Party: Richard Nixon/Henry Cabot Lodge Jr.

Same as OTL

1964 Election:

People's Party: Lyndon Johnson/Hubert Humphrey
Reform Party: Nelson Rockefeller/William Scranton

E.C. 452-86
States won: Every state except for DE, PA, NY, VT, NH & ME

1968 Election:

People's Party: Hubert Humphrey/George McGovern
Reform Party: Richard Nixon/Edward Brooke

States won: Every state IOTL+The Wallace states

1972 Election:

People's Party: George McGovern/Sargent Shriver
Reform Party: Richard Nixon/Edward Brooke

Same as OTL

1976 Election:

People's Party: George Wallace/Robert Byrd--Not the segregationist IOTL. This is the "reformed" version because he never had to compete racially since race issues was not the salient issue unlike OTL.

Reform Party: Jimmy Carter/Henry Jackson
E.C--290-247
States won: All of Ford's states plus NC, SC, GA & FL.

1980 Election:

People's Party: Edward Kennedy/Jesse Jackson
Reform Party: Jimmy Carter/Henry Jackson

E.C. 504-34
States won: Every state except for UT, ID, NE, ND, WY & GA.

1984 Election:

People's Party: Edward Kennedy/Jesse Jackson
Reform Party: Ronald Reagan/Richard Schweiker

States won: 533-5
States won: Every state except for Utah

1988 Election:

People's Party: Jesse Jackson/Shirley Chisholm
Reform Party: Michael Dukakis/Lloyd Bentsen

States won: 441-97
State won: Every state except for UT, ID, WY, NE, IN, NY, CT, RI, MA & NH

1992 Election:

People's Party: Jesse Jackson/Shirley Chisholm
Reform Party: Bill Clinton/Al Gore

States won: 273-265
States won: All the Bush states plus NV, NM, CO, MT, LA, AR, MO, GA, TN, KY, NJ, CT & NH.

1996 Election:

People's Party: Ross Perot/Pat Chote
Reform Party: Bill Clinton/Al Gore

E.V. 413-125
States won: AK, HI, WA, OR, CA, AZ, NM, CO, TX, OK, KS, NE, LA, AR, MS, AL, FL, GA, SC, NC, TN, KY, IL, MI, VA, MD, PA, NJ, NY, MA

2000 Election:

People's Party: Ralph Nader/Winona LaDuke
Reform Party: Al Gore/Joe Lieberman

E.V. 271-267
Same as OTL but with the states reversed.

2004 Election:

People's Party: Howard Dean/Dennis Kucinich
Reform Party: Al Gore/Joe Lieberman

E.V. 272-266
States won: Same as OTL (Bush win) except with Ohio and New Hampshire switched.

2008 Election:

People's Party: Ralph Nader/Matt Gonzalez
Reform Party: Barack Obama/John Edwards

E.V. 281-257
All the McCain states plus FL, NC, VA, OH, IN, IL & NE-2.

2012 Election:

People's Party: Ron Paul/Andrew Napolitano
Reform Party: Barack Obama/John Edwards

E.V. 363-175
States won: HI, CA, NV, MN, WI, IL, MS, FL, GA, SC, NC, TN, KY, WV, VA, IL, IN, OH, MI, PA, MD, DE, NJ, NY, CT, RI, MA

2016 Election:

People's Party: Donald Trump/Michael Flynn
Reform Party: Hillary Clinton/Tim Kaine

Same as OTL

2020 Election:

People's Party: Donald Trump/Michael Flynn
Reform Party: John Edwards/Kamala Harris

321-217
Same as OTL plus NC
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« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2021, 01:56:01 PM »
« Edited: October 02, 2021, 06:47:53 PM by JD Vance for Senate »

Some history:

1880: James Weaver has championed on a platform of reviving "Lincoln Republicanism" including the Greenback, in which he fiercely criticized Grant and Hayes for abandoning. He does the best in areas of The West and South and creates the world's first welfare state, inspiring Otto Bismarck who takes credit IOTL, as well as pushing America towards bimetallism and reviving Jefferson's vision for agrarianism. He also creates initiatives and has received credit for organizing the first modern labor movement. He is idolized by progressives to this day.

1884: After a relatively close re-election, Weaver loses to Grover Cleveland who has fiercely criticized Weaver's decision to end the gold standard, as well as his perceived hostility towards business and manufacturing. Cleveland puts America back on the gold standard and dismantles much of what Weaver accomplished and is the first president since Buchanan to lower tariffs, an action that the business wing of the party was livid about, even though they preferred him to Weaver.

1888: American's generally bitter about Cleveland's actions since they were popular in certain quarters, turn to Alson Streeter who promises to return to Weaver's actions. He is able to reverse Cleveland's gains, although the economy begins to sour around this time. He is also frowned upon by evangelicals for successfully vetoing a prohibition bill.

1892: The economy is in turmoil and Cleveland blames "big-government Socialism", claiming that his economy was stronger than Streeter's. Streeter comes to the defense claiming that the economic initiate's of Weaver would've prevented the economic slowdown and that the markets contrasted because of the sudden changes. Americans overwhelmingly take Cleveland's word and re-elects for a second term. He makes good on dismantling Streeter's policies, but his work is hindered by a worse panic. With unemployment soaring even after he repealed much of his initiatives, there is a strong divide between whether or not the government should intervene in economic decisions.

1896: Much like OTL, William Jennings Bryan runs on a populist, free-silver platform, however he vows to moderate on Weaver/Streeter's initiatives, instead focusing more on urban job growth. McKinley runs on a continuation of Cleveland's policies, but vows to raise tariffs to save job growth. While Cleveland is unpopular, Bryan's perceived religious fanaticism has brought him enemies within the newspaper with unsound rumors of abolishing The Supreme Court and implanting a theocratic autocracy. Despite Cleveland's unpopularity, voters back McKinley by a reasonable margin, believing the press's report's about Bryan disliking democracy.

1900: Much like OTL, Bryan runs on McKinley's incompetence, but the economy is improving and McKinley is given credit.

1904: A very interesting election. Teddy Roosevelt is a minor political figure, being a governor of New York under The People's Party and does not play a role in this timeline, however FDR will later on. McKinley instead chooses House Speaker David Henderson who will advance his agenda after his assassination. He faces off against Eugene Debs, a self-proclaimed "Democratic Socialist" who claimed The Reform Party only cared about the rich and not "the people". Henderson dismisses Debs as a "dictator-wannabe" and easily wins re-election.

1908: Much like OTL, only Taft runs on a more conservative platform since his predecessor was not Roosevelt.

1912: Taft's agenda was largely quiet and parallels were drawn between him and Grover Cleveland. He is significantly unpopular in The West, where a new movement of progressive populism has built due to 16 years of "crony capitalism". With the economy showing signs of another panic, Debs finds himself in a much better situation, tying Taft to the previously failed administration of Cleveland. Despite Taft tying himself to McKinley, the country was ready to return to labor populism. Debs handedly defeats Taft in one of the biggest upsets in decades.

1916: Deb's first term was marked by stark economic changes. He was able to revive the economic initiatives of the 1880s/'90s, as well as develop an income tax, federal reserve although different from OTL, woman's sufferidge, the direct election of senators, significant economic regulations on big businesses/banks, as well as the agenda of FDR's New Deal. America is currently said to have the most generous welfare program of any nation in The World. Despite conservatives livid, Deb's wins in an almost 400-point landslide as a result of his economic successes.

1920: America is kept out of WWI which in this timeline is a European Civil War, however much of what happens still exists with German nationalism and far-right extremism growing in that country. At home, Debs has continued on his economic successes including tuition-free childcare, a modernized/nationalized curriculum of education, the nationalization of railroads and other transportation infrastructure, and universal healthcare. However by 1918, periods of unrest by streams of migration occur. Party officials call on Debs to take a hardline nativist approach, but Debs refuses, instead allowing all immigrants to come in. Congress passes and Debs successfully vetoes legislation that would ultimately halt any new immigration. Following riots, Congress calls on Debs to declare martial law and a process of gun control, both items Debs refuses. Some progressives end up becoming angry after Debs is unable to veto prohibition legislation. A "red scare" has started and many Americans are starting to disapprove of Deb's administration, referring to it as "socialistic and anti-American". The press of the day paints conspiracy theories that Debs wants to eliminate "red-blooded Americanism". On the reform side, Warren Harding is running on a "back to normality" platform, emphasizing the economic growth and accomplishment of the '00s. He wins in a landslide, although slightly smaller than IOTL.

1924: Harding begins to gut the welfare system and pass new laws making certain crimes illegal. Also on his watch is the arrest of former president Debs for "aiding and abetting anarchism" in which he is sentenced to prison. The move is wildly controversial with some reform party members claiming Harding took things too far. Harding dies, Coolidge pardons Debs and the scandal is put to rest. However by 1924, the only thing left of Deb's legacy is social security, some regulations on business including some rights of labor, and his healthcare plan could not be repealed, but some compromise which looks a lot like Medicaid/Medicare still exists, much of Deb's taxes are eliminated and the federal government has shrunken by 75%. The government looks like a former shell of itself and while many Americans are upset, the economy is booming and the majority don't give it a second thought. Shortly before the election, Coolidge signs a bill that would ultimately push new immigration levels to record lows. Robert LaFollette runs as a "Debs progressive" but loses handedly due to the strong economy and civil rest.

1928: Much like OTL, only Robinson doesn't run on repealing prohibition and the "Catholic" issue is irrelevant. While Robinson gains some NE support, most of the country as supported Hoover who runs as a "moderate reformist" with some members of The People's Party claiming Hoover is acceptable. Robinson claimed Hoover was continuation of Harding/Coolidge, but his comments backfire by the press who illustrate how Hoover helped poverty after The European War and how he can help the economy boom into the '30s.

1932-1952: Same as OTL.

1952: One of the first turning points of The New Deal coalition. Former VP Henry Wallace claimed that Roosevelt's "New Deal" was a compromise between labor and capitalistic interests and vows to revive Deb's programs, as well as a peaceful foreign policy with The USSR. Eisenhower runs on how he liberated Nazi Germany and vows not to cut any of Roosevelt/Truman's programs, which Wallace attacks him on. Ultimately Eisenhower wins.

1956: The People's Party trying to stay relevant, nominates the first woman VP who is immensely popular in progressive circles. However they could not compete with Eisenhower's bipartisan popularity and the president is re-elected.

1960: Blaming progressivism for the defeats of '52 and '56, the People's Party nominates senator John F. Kennedy who calls for a "new nationalism". Choosing fellow senator Lyndon Johnson, a known associate of the progressive movement, the two of them defeat Nixon who ran on Eisenhower's popularity.

1964: Johnson who is immensely popular after Kennedy's assassination, vows that the war on poverty has not ended. The reformers nominate New York governor Nelson Rockefeller, who promises to reform, not eliminate Johnson's programs, as well as attacking Johnson for his lack of regard with Vietnam and his seeming passiveness towards Communism. The attacks are ineffective and Johnson wins in a landslide. Johnson faces some criticism for nominating Blacks into his cabinet, seen as taboo prior. Although nonwhites had equal rights, they were seldom nominated or elected to government positions. The orthodox tradition was for "sympathetic and allied whites" to represent them, although Johnson encouraged a new wave of minorities to run for elected office, which in some cases they won. Some people were furious at Johnson for his idea, but not nearly to the extent of OTL.

1968: Similar to OTL, only the civil and racial unrest of the 1960's never happen, as civil rights were guaranteed during the 1870's/80's, so many people like MLK and Rosa Parks are not known, while many white supremacist/nationalist governors were not elected either. George Wallace is still a governor of Alabama, but is a moderate populist similar to Harry Truman and LBJ. He doesn't run this year and his states IOTL go to Nixon.

1972: Same as OTL

1976: In the Summer of '76, Gerald Ford narrowly loses the primary to outside Jimmy Carter in a historic upset and the first time since 1868 that an incumbent president fails to survive the primary. Jimmy Carter faces off against George Wallace on a battle of "New South" vs. "Old South". George Wallace emphasized his support for labor and of a multiethnic working class coalition that got him elected. Carter emphasized the right for free enterprise and encouraged businesses to move South, claiming that The South can no longer survive on the agrarianism and that it will not survive if manufacturing doesn't move. Ultimately Carter wins.

1980: Manufacturing does begin to leave at this point, but it moves South rather than overseas. Carter gets a lot of blame and anger for this, by cutting taxes on Southern states. Meanwhile he's facing a Southern revolt for "Yankees invading". Some governors vow to deport any northerner back to where they came from, while Carter said that such moves will not be permitted. The energy crisis and inflation issues happen too. Carter was weakened from a strong primary challenger from Reagan, but he survived. Ultimately a coalition of traditional and progressive anger results in Carter losing in a landslide to Ted Kennedy, the brother of the late JFK.

1984: Despite dealing with a major recession and inflation early on, Kennedy wins in a 49-state landslide due to improving economic conditions. New manufacturing is created with tempers some Rust Belt anger, but still others, particularly in The South are frustrated that Kennedy didn't take harsher action against Northerners moving South and were particularly livid when the called The National Guard to break up riots. Others were upset that Kennedy "abandoned" Deb's philosophy in favor of antitrust legislation, although he was able to get universal healthcare passed. The Reform Party nominates Ronald Reagan, who runs on a party of free enterprise, "states' rights", and a hardline against Communism, in which Kennedy and Carter beforehand were criticized for being soft on. Kennedy also legalized gay marriage and pointed to conservative opposition to him ending "the Aids epidemic" as homophobia. Ultimately most of America was satisfied with Kennedy's economic progress which led to his major win.

1988: While Kennedy continued to be popular, Massachusetts governor Michael Dukakis who ran on "The Massachusetts miracle" and criticized Kennedy for abandoning his state, wins The Reform Party nomination. Ultimately the race is close with Dukakis gaffing about capital punishment and Jackson making a whopper of a gaffe about Jews, in which Dukakis vehemently attacks Jackson on. Unlike OTL, the farm crisis is not as big because Kennedy used federal action so it is much less of an issue IOTL.  While looking at the least popular election in modern history, Jackson mainly wins due to economic successes.

1992: Jackson was initally popular passing free community college, as well as keeping the economy in check. Although the economy was beginning to slow down, Bill Clinton ran on a platform of "reforming welfare", economic liberalism, "peace through strength" and an end to The Cold War, and "traditional family values". While The Cold War was essentially ended in the 1970's, the USSR has not transitioned to democracy, which is what Clinton wanted to accomplish. Jackson also surived two primary challenges, one from the center and one from the right (Perot and Buchanan respectfully). In a tooth and nail election, Clinton narrowly wins.

1996: Clinton lives up to most of his administrations goals, cutting taxes from 70%-35%, reimplementing capital punishment, "ending welfare as we know it" including repealing and replacing Kennedy's universal healthcare goal with The Affordable Care Act otherwise known as Clintoncare, and raising military spending for the first time since Ford. He also implements a new "war on drugs". While the drug crisis has raged since at least the '80s and Reagan made it a significant policy issue in his '84 run, both Kennedy and Jackson incorrectly characterized it as "historically unpopular", pointing to Reagan's historic loss. However Clinton's "war on drugs" was popular and he saw his approval rating climb as a result. He also signed some immigration restrictions, although it fell short of what some people were hoping for. The only thing he abandoned as "traditional family values".  While he signed a law criminalizing gay marriage, he did not touch the abortion issue and vetoes a partial-birth abortion ban, something that anger Christian conservatives including Reagan. Despite running an otherwise conservative agenda, Clinton did make significant environmental reforms and regulations. Historians point to him as a "green conservative", while also being a diplomat, for his continued talks with Gorbechev. Signing NAFTA and further enraging Rust Belters who were already politically dissatisfied, businessman Ross Perot runs on a platform of lower immigration and leaving our "unfair trade deals". He is popular in certain quarters including The Rust Belt, but Clinton wins in a 400+point landslide, the last up to date.

2000: Clinton's conservative agenda led to progressive critics, with Ralph Nader narrowly defeating Pat Buchanan for The People's Party nomination. Also helping his popularity except for the most ardent progressives would be that The Soviet Union ended, when in 1999, Clinton uttered for him to tear down this wall, while Vladimr Putin became the first democratically elected president as well during that time. While he and Gore were still popular despite surviving an impeachment hearing for having sexual relations with an intern, Nader runs on a platform of sharply criticizing the "giant sucking sounds" of jobs going from New York to Alabama and how big business was profiting at the expense of ma & pop shops. He criticized Clinton for "not giving a care in the world" for homeless workers and exploiting them, in favor of big-business bosses in NYC. In what turns out to be a close election, Gore wins narrowly due to a 537-point victory in Ohio. With a Supreme Court hearing, the court rules in favor of Gore.

2004: Gore wins another historically close election, although this time he wins without Ohio. 9/11 happened and after consulting with his military generals and UN officials, he decided to start an unpopular war in Iraq. Despite later regretting the war before his term is over, Gore keeps quiet because that is the main talking point of Howard Dean and many of his supporters were in favor. Dean criticized Gore for his lack of regards to civil liberties (The Patriot Act), the unconstitutional War in Iraq, and ignoring "the gay issue". Gore ran on his successes after 9/11, criticizing Dean over not taking the UN's security recommendations seriously, his successes in Iraq (despite now having personal oppositions), and his strong faith in God. One of the most unpopular points in Gore's presidency was when he slightly raised taxes on wealthy Americans, although this paled compared to what Nader/Dean wanted to do, so overall it didn't hurt him. In what would later be seen as a "slap in the face" to Christian conservatives who supported him, Gore signed a bill legalizing gay marriage across all 50 states just days after the 2004 election. Gore also continues Clinton's environmental reforms which make him unpopular in coal and oil states, while he's still seen as the "LOTE", as The People's Party want to move to renewable energy. The recession happens similar to OTL.

2008: It is another close election between the second Black president and Nader for the second time. Many polls showed Nader with a commanding lead, although Obama successfully made the point that sudden economic changes in a recession would lead to harm. Obama took a surprisingly populist approach considering the party he was nominated on, as he campaigned on renegotiating our trade deals, a peaceful foreign policy, reigning in immigration, and continuing Gore's economic policies. Obama won in a surprisingly close election despite what the polls said, with his state of Illinois being the tipping-point. Nader claimed the election was "rigged", but urged his supporters not to disrupt democracy, in which despite some initially protests, they complied. Obama quickly abandoned his platform on immigration and trade, and did not make any efforts to end The War in Iraq. He was seen as deeply unpopular in 2010 with both progressives and conservatives alike.

2012: After Paul narrowly defeated Bernie Sanders in the People's Party primary, he claimed that "big-government Socialism" was the problem and cited the booming economy of the 1920's after Harding returned to The Gold Standard. He was also critical of Obama's lack of civil liberties, transparency, the war on drugs, and endless wars. With the media running a smearing campaign on Paul, Obama won in a bigger landslide despite his initial unpopularity. After the shootings at Sandy Hook, Obama would sign a bill banning assault weapons which would be the first gun-control bill since FDR in 1934. The bill had its expected supporters and detractors.

2016: Similar to OTL. The big difference is that Trump doesn't make any appeal to "The Christian Right" which is a far-less organized movement at this stage and mostly part of The Reform Party, although he gets some Christian Nationalist support. It's unclear whether or not he deemphasizes abortion or runs on a pro-choice platform, but without Mike Pence on the ticket (or the party for that matter), he's not likely to bring it up, meaning the PNC will look a lot different than the RNC IOTL, combined with God likely not being brought up nearly as much or at all.

2020: Much of Trump's timeline is similar to OTL as well as his attacks on various groups, only he ends the war on drugs, which wasn't ended at this point. Also without The Old Guard of The GOP, Trump is able to expand healthcare, social security, infrastructure, and $2,000 Covid relief checks, a vast difference compared to this timeline and ours. In the 2020 primary, Trump successfully defeated Marianne Williamson, Mike Gravel, Bernie Sanders, Liz Warren, and Joe Biden (who came in 2nd place) for the nomination, due to the intense dislike from the left-wing of his party, the first time since 1992 that a sitting president was primaried.
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« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2021, 02:18:50 PM »
« Edited: October 02, 2021, 03:29:21 PM by JD Vance for Senate »

How would you have all voted? Assuming I would've been a populist after Reconstruction, I think I would've voted for The People's Party in every election except for 1956, 1968, 1972, , 1980, 1988, 1992, and 2016. Ironically, every president/vice president IOTL would've been members of the opposing party since 2008.
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« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2021, 04:07:24 PM »

I’d be for the reform party except from 1932-1948
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« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2021, 05:18:25 PM »
« Edited: October 04, 2021, 08:15:13 PM by JD Vance for Senate »

People's Party history:

Before 1892: The Greenback Party plus more progressive Democrats and Republicans from our timeline.

Social Democracy
Currency reform
Labor Rights
Agrarianism
Nativism (Faction)
Position: Center-Left

1892-1912: The Populist Party, Progressive Democrats and Progressive Republicans from our timeline.

Agrarianism
Free Silver
Social Democracy
Democratic Socialism
Left-Wing Populism
Marxism (Faction)
Nativism (Faction)

Position: Center-Left-Left Wing

1912-1960: Socialists, Progressive Democrats and Progressive Republicans from our timeline, along with Old Right Populists and Nationalists.

Social Democracy
Democratic Socialism
Left-Wing Populism
Communism (Faction)
Paleoconservatism (Faction)
America-first Nationalism (Faction)
Right-Wing Populism (Faction)
Fascism (Faction)
Position: Center-Left-Left Wing

1960-1996: Similar to The Democratic Party IOTL plus populist Republicans.
Social Liberalism
Social Democracy
New Left
Anti-Fascism
Communism (Wing)
Paleoconservatism (Faction)
Conservative Liberalism (Faction)

Position: Center-Center-Left

1996-2000: A coalition between The Reform Party, Progressive Democrats and Populist Republicans. Due to massive infighting and conflicts between the left and right wings, the 1996 PNC adopts centrism as its official ideology, which would prove to be short lasting.

Populism
Centrism

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2000-2012: Mainly similar to The Progressive Wing of The Democratic Party, Green Party, and Populist Republicans.
Left-Wing Populism
Social Democracy
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Alter-Globalism
Civil Libertarianism
Tea-Party Movement (Faction)

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2012-Present: Similar to the Trump wing of The GOP plus Progressive Democrats and Greens.
Trumpism
Civil Libertarianism
Anti-Communism
Paleoconservatism (Faction)
Left-Wing Populism (Faction)
Democratic Socialism (Faction)

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Reform Party: Bourbon Democrats and Conservative Republicans

1880-1896:
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Gold Standard
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Position: Center-Right

1896-1912: Gold Democrats and Conservative Republicans
Classical Liberalism
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Social Conservatism
Anti-Communism
Imperalism (Faction)
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1912-1944: Most Republicans and Conservative Democrats
Liberal Conservatism
Social Conservatism
Fiscal Conservatism
Anti-Fascism
Anti-Communism
Libertarian Conservatism (Faction)
Neoconservatism (Faction)

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1944-1988: Non-populist Republican's and Moderate/Conservative (non-populist) Democrats.
Liberal Conservatism
Neoconservatism
Anti-Communism
Christian Democracy (Faction)
Social Conservatism (Faction)

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Liberal Conservatism
Fiscal Conservatism
Neoconservatism
Anti-Communism
Christian Democracy (Faction)
Social Liberalism (Faction)
Modern Liberalism (Faction)
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2016-Present: Mainstream Democrats and Never-Trump Republicans.
Liberal Conservatism
Economic Liberalism
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« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2021, 07:15:56 PM »
« Edited: October 02, 2021, 07:29:07 PM by JD Vance for Senate »

Other nominees/presidents not in this timeline compared to where they were:

James Garfield: Reform Party representative from Ohio
Chester Arthur: 21st Collector of the Port NY
James Blaine: Reform Party senator from Maine
Benjamin Harrison: People's Party senator from Indiana
Charles Hughes: People's Party governor from New York
James M Cox: Reform Party governor from Ohio
Al Smith: Reform Party governor from New York
Adlai Stevenson: People's Party governor from Illinois
Barry Goldwater: Reform Party senator (1952-1982)
George H.W. Bush: Reform Party senator from Texas (1984-2002)
Bob Dole: Reform Party senate majority leader from Kansas (1968-2010)
George W. Bush: Businessman and Reform Party senator from Texas (2002-present)
John McCain: Reform party senator from Arizona (1986-2018)
Mitt Romney: Reform party governor & senator from Utah (2018-present)

Other trivia: Pelosi, Schumer, and McConnell would all be part of the same party (Reform).
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« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2021, 08:00:54 PM »
« Edited: October 04, 2021, 08:50:54 PM by JD Vance for Senate »

Party Platforms Reform vs. People:
*The People's Party declared that they would not renew another platform and instead support the policies of Donald Trump, while adding some vague platform information to newer and more relevant issues.

Abortion:
Reform 2020: Safe, Legal & Rare
People's 2016*: Pro-choice (Some party members began to express pro-life views in the age of Trump).

Anti-Racism:
Reform 2020: Pro
People's 2020: Opposes the radical "woke" agenda of the Reform party and maintaining a system of law & order. (The 2016 platform explained an equal opportunity for all Americans, showing a subtle but distinct shift against "wokeism", despite party members including Bernie and AOC being very much in favor and having a strong minority representation, particularly with Latinos.

Gay Marriage:
Reform 2020: Pro LGBTQ+ rights
People's 2016*: Respect Overhill vs. Hodge's and do not overturn. No platform about trans rights. (The 2012 platform explicitly favored LGBTQ+ rights and some party members have taken a harsh stance against trans rights following Trump's nomination, something that was a sudden shift in the opposite direction and likely directly influenced by Trump).

Separation of Church & State:
Reform 2020: Pro (The 2016 platform expressed a respect for religious freedom, showing a distinct move in support of the separation of church and state, despite having a Christian Democratic wing which is opposed. Going further back, the 2012 platform explained America's faith in God, meaning that it has shifted substantially over the last 8 years).
People's 2016*: Opposes a national religion, but discusses an opposition to the destruction of American culture. (The last part was likely influenced by Trump, as the 2012 platform explains a strong support of the separation of church & state).

Healthcare:
Reform Party 2020: Keep Clintoncare
People's 2016*: Repeal and Replace Clintoncare, although the replacement is vague. (The 2012 platform was in favor of single-payer healthcare despite nominating Ron Paul, meaning that Trump influenced enough party members to shift positions).

Social Security:
Reform Party 2020: Maintain
People's 2016*: No cuts (The 2012 platform was to expand, but the platform's vote is similar to Trump's pledge not to cut social security.)

School Vouchers:
Reform Party 2020: Supports but opposes for-profit (The 2016 platform was to support vouchers, showing that Trump has influenced some in the party).
People's 2016*: Supports for poor/low-income families (The 2012 platform was to support public education, showing a pivot in their stance on education).

Environment:
Reform Party 2020: Supports pro-environmental reforms
People's 2016*: Supports personal stewardship while opposing job-killing regulations. (The 2012 platform advocated A Green New Deal, showing a substantial shift away from environmentalism, brought on by economic malaise and frustration by certain occupations and in certain areas of the country, as well as echoing Trump's personal views).

Criminal Justice:
Reform Party 2020: Supports the death penalty in significant cases with a plan for criminal justice reform. (The 2016 platform echoed the People's party 2016 platform showing that some party members have softened their support in the age of Trump).
People's 2016*: Supports the death penalty with a plan for criminal justice reform. (The 2012 platform opposed the death penalty, showing that some party members have changed their mind on the issue).

2nd Amdenment:
Reform Party 2020: Supports some common-sense reform without infringing (Gun control in this timeline is less popular compared to OTL with the assault weapon's ban after Sandy Hook being the first national signed gun control legislation since 1934). (While this is the same stance the party took in 2016, the 2012 platform opposed gun control, showing that gun control was beginning to be popular within the party following several mass shootings).
People's 2016*: The right to bear arms shall not be infringed.

Taxes:
Reform Party 2020: Supports closing corporate loopholes and corporate/low-income tax cuts and coupled with marginal tax hikes for those making over $5mil a year. (The Reform Party 2016 called for tax cuts, meaning that the party has begun to move left on the issue of taxation in the age of Trump).
People's Party 2016*: Supports a balanced budget including closing corporate loopholes and cutting military spending, as well as welfare reform for low-income Americans. (The 2012 platform endorsed a steep, progressive wealth tax as well as wealth redistribution, showing a stark contrast and abrupt move in a business-friendly direction).

Immigration:
Reform Party 2020: Supports a pathway to citizenship
People's Party 2016*: Supports a tough system of immigration including deportation of illegal immigrants, ending work visas, and building a wall along the US-Mexico border funded as a public works project. (While the 2012 platform called for ending low-skill work visas while supporting immigration, the shift in stance against immigration shows a more nationalistic vs. economic opposition to mass immigration).

Trade:
Reform Party 2020: Supports expanding world trade worldwide while opposing tariffs.
People's Party 2016*: Supports a system of fair trade and imposing tariffs on countries that have human rights and environmental violations. (Post-election, many party members would begin to have a more economic nationalist stance on tariffs).

International Relations:
Reform Party 2020: Supports a system of international cooperation and internationalism and providing foreign aide. Endorses a 2-party solution to Israel. (The 2016 platform favored Israel, showing that some party members have turned against Israel during Trump's presidency).
People's Party 2016*: Supports unilateral ally ties while focusing on national/state alternatives to programs and opposes relationships with countries with human rights violations. Opposes foreign aide to any nation. Endorses Palestine in the Israeli-Palestinian movement. (Many party supporters would switch their support to Israel after Trump was elected).

Foreign Policy:
Reform Party 2020: Supports a system of stopping/preventing human rights and spreading democracy abroad. Supports increasing military spending. (A lot of party members were upset with Edward's actions to withdraw troops from Afghanistan in August 2021).
People's Party 2016*: Supports an agenda of expanding American-interests overseas while opposing military intervention and imperialism. Supports sanctioning countries and opposing im/(e)migration from countries with known human rights abuses. (The American-interests part of the platform was added in 2016, showing a more nationalistic foreign-policy shift).

Voting Rights:
Reform Party 2020: Opposes Trump's plans on delaying the election and preventing mail in voting. Supports an electronic-voting system with tough measures to prevent foreign interference and tampering.
People's Party 2016*: Supports our current system of voting. (With the events of Covid-19 and aftermath of the 2020 election, many party members have second thoughts).

Drug Use:
Reform Party 2020: Opposes legislation to hard drugs, while allowing states to decide on marijuana legalization.
People's Party 2016*: Supports the decriminalization of hard drugs including the legalization of marijuana.

Covid-19:
Reform Party 2020: Supports implementing mandates and advisories regarding masks, travel, vaccination status, and lockdown options to curb the spread of Covid-19.
People's Party 2020: Opposes the radical abuses of civil liberties by Reform Party members and opposes mandates and requirements.

Recession:
Reform Party 2020: Supports a system of helping those in need with stimuli checks and helping sectors most assisted with recessions including aid during Covid-19.
People's Party 2016*: Supports stimuli and legislation to help people affected by recessions including direct intervention if necessary while opposing cooperate welfare including bank bailouts.

Individual Freedom:
Reform Party 2020: Supports the right for government officials and police to censor or monitor one's information including social media platforms, emails and other forms of communication to combat against misinformation or criminal behavior.
People's Party 2016*: Opposes any action by the government to intrude on one's personal life.

The progressive wing of The People's Party, the dominant wing from its founding until 2016, still exists, but it's mainly a regional party which has worked more with Reform Party members, but still wants to maintain its anti-establishment viewpoints (much like how the conservative wing of the party was until they united over The Patriot Act & Iraq prior to 2001). The party made history when they nominated Donald Trump, despite no living nominee endorsing him. The remaining living nominees endorsed Hillary Clinton, except for Ross Perot and Ron Paul who didn't endorse anyone. While Ron Paul was an unpopular option within the party with most prior nominees endorsing Obama, Paul received the endorsement of Ralph Nader, although it was more of an anti-Obama than pro-Paul endorsement and Nader did not donate or campaign for Paul. Former Presidents Jesse Jackson & Ted Kennedy endorsed Obama in '08, although prior to that point it was unusual for nominees to endorse their opponent's party. Trump did not receive any former nominee endorsements during his second unsuccessful run either.
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« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2021, 08:26:02 PM »
« Edited: October 04, 2021, 08:29:52 PM by Trans Rights Are Human Rights »

Interesting. Here's how I would've voted ITTL, assuming OTL politics in all cases except Wallace '76:

1880/84: Weaver
1888/92: Streeter
1896/1900/08: Bryan
1904/12/16: Debs
1920: Christenson
1924: La Follette
1928: Robinson
1932/36/40/44: Roosevelt
1948: Truman

1952: Wallace
1956: Hallinan
1960: Kennedy
1964: Johnson

1968: Humphrey
1972: McGovern
1976: Wallace
1980/84: Kennedy
1988
/92: Jackson
1996: Perot
2000/08: Nader
2004: Dean

2012: Obama
2016: Clinton
2020: Edwards (is he still the absolute worst? If so, then write-in Ace Watkins)


The People's Party left me.

EDIT: Although I'd probably still be registered as a member of the People's Party in hopes that Trump will be primaried.
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« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2021, 11:18:04 AM »

Great timeline! I probably would have voted for the Peoples Party in most elections as well, but would have shifted towards the Reform Party starting in 2008 or 2012. BTW, did Donald Trump still react poorly to the results of the 2020 election and did the January 6 stuff still occur or no?
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« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2021, 03:11:19 PM »
« Edited: October 07, 2021, 03:15:30 PM by Old School Democrat »

Great timeline! I probably would have voted for the Peoples Party in most elections as well, but would have shifted towards the Reform Party starting in 2008 or 2012. BTW, did Donald Trump still react poorly to the results of the 2020 election and did the January 6 stuff still occur or no?

Thank you and yes to both of those questions.
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« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2021, 03:35:04 PM »

Then chances are I probably went indy after January 6, still a People's primary voter but a Reform general voter.
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« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2021, 06:00:00 PM »

Great timeline! I probably would have voted for the Peoples Party in most elections as well, but would have shifted towards the Reform Party starting in 2008 or 2012. BTW, did Donald Trump still react poorly to the results of the 2020 election and did the January 6 stuff still occur or no?

Thank you and yes to both of those questions.
That’s what I kind of figured regarding Donald Trump. Honestly, I probably would have somewhat supported Donald Trump at first, but probably turned away from him in 2018. Also, If I had to guess, I would have to say that the Reform Party narrowly controls both houses of Congress as of 2021 and that 2022 will be a huge wave year for the People’s Party.  I would also assume that John Edwards will lose pretty big to a Donald Trump/Josh Hawley ticket in 2024 (perhaps by a 20% popular vote margin and a 294-244 margin in the electoral vote) and that Donald Trump will have a much larger mandate than in 2016 as a result.
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« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2021, 06:57:14 PM »

I would have voted for the People's Party up until 2012. I would still be registered with the PP and vote for progressive PP members downballot, I would probably reluctantly vote Reform 2012 and onward at the presidential level, unless there was a viable left-wing third party. Great work btw.
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« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2021, 10:58:41 PM »

I would have voted for the People's Party up until 2012. I would still be registered with the PP and vote for progressive PP members downballot, I would probably reluctantly vote Reform 2012 and onward at the presidential level, unless there was a viable left-wing third party. Great work btw.

Thank you, I appreciate it.
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« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2021, 11:01:15 PM »

Great timeline! I probably would have voted for the Peoples Party in most elections as well, but would have shifted towards the Reform Party starting in 2008 or 2012. BTW, did Donald Trump still react poorly to the results of the 2020 election and did the January 6 stuff still occur or no?

Thank you and yes to both of those questions.
That’s what I kind of figured regarding Donald Trump. Honestly, I probably would have somewhat supported Donald Trump at first, but probably turned away from him in 2018. Also, If I had to guess, I would have to say that the Reform Party narrowly controls both houses of Congress as of 2021 and that 2022 will be a huge wave year for the People’s Party.  I would also assume that John Edwards will lose pretty big to a Donald Trump/Josh Hawley ticket in 2024 (perhaps by a 20% popular vote margin and a 294-244 margin in the electoral vote) and that Donald Trump will have a much larger mandate than in 2016 as a result.

It's probable. The main difference I see between this timeline and OTL, is that if Biden ends up failing IOTL, a lot of former Reps including some never-Trumpers would probably flock to The GOP, but in this timeline since The Reform Party cuts both establishment wings in half, there's probably going to be less movement overall, unless there's another realignment within The People's Party and someone like AOC beats Edwards from the left, but seeing how much of TPP's anger is designated towards globalism/globalization rather than big business/banks, it's more likely than not that it will remain on the Trumpist route.
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