obama or ford?

[Conan]

Ford.  Obama is more fluff when you take away the polished showman and compare the two men for who they are.

Whys Ford so good? He has no idea what its like for real people, he went to an elite private school in Washington DC where he grew up and he comes from a family which is both corrupt and dont hold other jobs but elected office. He is too conservative and anti bill of rights.

Conan, have fun nominating Hillary Clinton or Howard Dean

Wow, just imagine if all Democrats were Conan, thinking all radical left-wingers are going to win, even one's who have committed crimes.

That would help the GOP a whole lot

Before everyone says I am the same, I do not hate moderates I hate people who bash the party, and Ford is a big critic of the president.  He is an asset to the party, not a danger like Lincoln Chafee is the Republicans.

First of all I also like Ben Nelson. Second of all I want Mark Warner to be the nominee in 2008. Hillary Clinton believe it or not isnt a radical left winger. These candidates can win too anyway. You just have to have the money, charisma, and personality. John Kerry came off as waspy and was smeared. Gore wasnt being charismatic and didnt have as much money as Bush. You have to be a superstar in the GOP to win nationally. Now you only have McCain and Giuliani. After that, you better hope you have someone else.

[DownWithTheLeft]

Ford.  Obama is more fluff when you take away the polished showman and compare the two men for who they are.

Whys Ford so good? He has no idea what its like for real people, he went to an elite private school in Washington DC where he grew up and he comes from a family which is both corrupt and dont hold other jobs but elected office. He is too conservative and anti bill of rights.

Conan, have fun nominating Hillary Clinton or Howard Dean

Wow, just imagine if all Democrats were Conan, thinking all radical left-wingers are going to win, even one's who have committed crimes.

That would help the GOP a whole lot

Before everyone says I am the same, I do not hate moderates I hate people who bash the party, and Ford is a big critic of the president.  He is an asset to the party, not a danger like Lincoln Chafee is the Republicans.

First of all I also like Ben Nelson. Second of all I want Mark Warner to be the nominee in 2008. Hillary Clinton believe it or not isnt a radical left winger.

After that, nothing else is worth listening too, the GOP has great candidates that they could nominate, all the Dems great candidates never would be nominated.

[Conan]

Ford.  Obama is more fluff when you take away the polished showman and compare the two men for who they are.

Whys Ford so good? He has no idea what its like for real people, he went to an elite private school in Washington DC where he grew up and he comes from a family which is both corrupt and dont hold other jobs but elected office. He is too conservative and anti bill of rights.

Conan, have fun nominating Hillary Clinton or Howard Dean

Wow, just imagine if all Democrats were Conan, thinking all radical left-wingers are going to win, even one's who have committed crimes.

That would help the GOP a whole lot

Before everyone says I am the same, I do not hate moderates I hate people who bash the party, and Ford is a big critic of the president.  He is an asset to the party, not a danger like Lincoln Chafee is the Republicans.

First of all I also like Ben Nelson. Second of all I want Mark Warner to be the nominee in 2008. Hillary Clinton believe it or not isnt a radical left winger.

After that, nothing else is worth listening too, the GOP has great candidates that they could nominate, all the Dems great candidates never would be nominated.

Who are these candidates? Just 2 that could win. McCain and Giuliani.

[Frodo]

Assuming we are talking 2012 or 2016...
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Barack Obama, provided he nominates a moderate Democratic governor from a southern or western state (Mark Warner, Brian Schweitzer, Bill Ritter, Jr.).  Such a ticket would undoubtably be formidable.

While I like Harold Ford, Jr. and wouldn't mind having him as my senator, he is too conservative to win the Democratic nomination.  There is no doubt in my mind that he would fare about as well as Gene Taylor or some other conservative southern Democrat if they were striving to become their party's presidential standard bearer. 

[jacob_101]

and as much as i hate to say it, obama's name would hurt.

1.  it is too....ethnic
2.  too similar to osama.

that may be silly, but it is the truth.

Didn't seem to hurt him in IL where he got 70% of the vote.

....against alan keyes.

Still...if your point is people won't vote for him because he has an ethnic name 70% of the state proves that wrong.

[DownWithTheLeft]

Ford.  Obama is more fluff when you take away the polished showman and compare the two men for who they are.

Whys Ford so good? He has no idea what its like for real people, he went to an elite private school in Washington DC where he grew up and he comes from a family which is both corrupt and dont hold other jobs but elected office. He is too conservative and anti bill of rights.

Conan, have fun nominating Hillary Clinton or Howard Dean

Wow, just imagine if all Democrats were Conan, thinking all radical left-wingers are going to win, even one's who have committed crimes.

That would help the GOP a whole lot

Before everyone says I am the same, I do not hate moderates I hate people who bash the party, and Ford is a big critic of the president.  He is an asset to the party, not a danger like Lincoln Chafee is the Republicans.

First of all I also like Ben Nelson. Second of all I want Mark Warner to be the nominee in 2008. Hillary Clinton believe it or not isnt a radical left winger.

After that, nothing else is worth listening too, the GOP has great candidates that they could nominate, all the Dems great candidates never would be nominated.

Who are these candidates? Just 2 that could win. McCain and Giuliani.

Depends your standard:
Unbeatable:
Guilliani and McCain

This is saying that absolutley no Democrat could beat Giulliani or McCain

Good Chance:
Huckabee, Condi Rice, Romney, Hagel, Frist, Hagel

Could Win Against Hillary or Other Wacko Leftist:
Tancredo, Gingrich

The GOP has a large list of candidates who could win, but only Guilliani and McCain are unbeatable.

[Secretary Polnut]

Of course to be of the left or a liberal one must be insane.

Anyway.

Huckabee is definitely a personable guy and could be quite attractive electorally.

Gingrich would be ripped apart - only the hard right has time for him now.

Rice would be a bad move for the Reps - she wouldn't be able to win the deep south (call it "ignorance" on my part).

Romney could do it

Frist will go down as the kitty killer

I like Hagel and he could win.

The problem is that the primary structure is run by the right and a moderate like McCain and Hagel would have trouble... let alone a liberal like Guiliani (yes... for a Rep (who lists Bobby Kennedy as a political hero... read his book he does) he is a liberal).

The problem is once McCain started to pander the hard right, he started losing credibility, let alone standing with Bush.

The BEST chance the Reps have in 2008 is someone who was either publicily critical of Bush or someone who was not a national player.

[Soaring Eagle]

I like both of them fine, but I think Obama would make a better President. Obama/Ford might even be a great ticket.

[MarkWarner08]

Obama has more star power and a stronger base within the Democratic Party.

[TheresNoMoney]

Obama.

[socaldem]

Obama and he needs to run now!

You get no where in politics if you wait your turn.  And Obama seems to me to be the only Democrat who can take out Hillary.  Moreover, though I've previously been partial to candidacies like that of Mark Warner--reasonable, consenus-building moderates, just as much, if not more can be accomplished with the type of inspiring leadership Obama offers. 

The biggest obstacle to any Democratic president, though, is the McCain juggernaut.  Some say McCain is too moderate for the GOP nomination but he's quickly accumulating more and more establishment support.  He's going to have tons and tons of money and I just don't see a GOPer who's going to have the power to rally forces against him at this point.

If McCain's the nominee, I think Obama could still make it competitive.  In fact, I think he's probably the ONLY Democrat who could hold off McCain.  But I'd much rather have him wait if McCain's a sure thing on the GOP side.

As for running mates for Obama, I'm partial to a Kansas ticket w/ Gov. Kathleen Sebelius as VP. 

[Michael Z]

Obama and he needs to run now!

You get no where in politics if you wait your turn.  And Obama seems to me to be the only Democrat who can take out Hillary.  Moreover, though I've previously been partial to candidacies like that of Mark Warner--reasonable, consenus-building moderates, just as much, if not more can be accomplished with the type of inspiring leadership Obama offers. 

The biggest obstacle to any Democratic president, though, is the McCain juggernaut.  Some say McCain is too moderate for the GOP nomination but he's quickly accumulating more and more establishment support.  He's going to have tons and tons of money and I just don't see a GOPer who's going to have the power to rally forces against him at this point.

If McCain's the nominee, I think Obama could still make it competitive.  In fact, I think he's probably the ONLY Democrat who could hold off McCain.  But I'd much rather have him wait if McCain's a sure thing on the GOP side.

As for running mates for Obama, I'm partial to a Kansas ticket w/ Gov. Kathleen Sebelius as VP. 

Unfortunately I think it's still too early for Obama. Plus there are other Democrats who could beat Hillary, especially Gore (who I still think will run, no matter how many times he denies it).

I wonder what the odds are on a Gore/Obama ticket..........

[dazzleman]

Ford.  Obama is more fluff when you take away the polished showman and compare the two men for who they are.

^^^^^^

[Pictor Ignotus]

Ford, though both would be excellent.

[MaC]

and as much as i hate to say it, obama's name would hurt.

1.  it is too....ethnic
2.  too similar to osama.

that may be silly, but it is the truth.

Haha, that's why I thought he'd lose the senate race in 2004.

[Stranger in a strange land]

Ford's positions render him more electable, but Obama is a far better public speaker.

[Tender Branson]

Ford is definitely the more electable and I wouldn't mind voting for him.

Now Barack seems like a humble guy, but all this presidential talk has gone straight to his silly little head.  How hard is it, after all, to have a speechwriter make a few lines about little league games in blue states and gay friends in red states and then deliver it as a keynote address?

Besides his one speech, the only other reason I can see why he might appeal to Democrats is that he's black and has an ethnic name. 
If he were some white guy named Brad Smith with less than one third of a Senate term under his belt, even mentioning him as a potential 2008 candidate would be a joke.
Now don't get me wrong - I don't hate Obama.  But he has been hyped as a "rising star" by so many that I expect to be impressed.  And Obama has done little to impress me yet.

[jokerman]

Ford, though both would be excellent.

[Boris]

I like both a lot, but I prefer Obama. Call it home state bias

[ATFFL]

Obama has more star power and a stronger base within the Democratic Party.

That will change if Ford can get them a senate seat in a state that is disinclined to.

[LINCOLN REPUBLICAN]

Why is reply #45 by ATFFL reading "Osama or Ford?" and not "Obama or Ford?"

Never mind, I know.

[ATFFL]

Why is reply #45 by ATFFL reading "Osama or Ford?" and not "Obama or Ford?"

Never mind, I know.

I was wondering if anyone would notice.  Congrats on doing so.

[tulip]

I like both. I don't know about president but VP in 08. Yep.......on both or either.

I've seen Ford speak and it was WOW! I would love to see Obama speak in person but the timing has not been right yet.........

If Ford can do it in TN then we can do it in 08!!!!!

[blagohair.com]

Obama and he needs to run now!

You get no where in politics if you wait your turn.  And Obama seems to me to be the only Democrat who can take out Hillary.  Moreover, though I've previously been partial to candidacies like that of Mark Warner--reasonable, consenus-building moderates, just as much, if not more can be accomplished with the type of inspiring leadership Obama offers. 

The biggest obstacle to any Democratic president, though, is the McCain juggernaut.  Some say McCain is too moderate for the GOP nomination but he's quickly accumulating more and more establishment support.  He's going to have tons and tons of money and I just don't see a GOPer who's going to have the power to rally forces against him at this point.

If McCain's the nominee, I think Obama could still make it competitive.  In fact, I think he's probably the ONLY Democrat who could hold off McCain.  But I'd much rather have him wait if McCain's a sure thing on the GOP side.

As for running mates for Obama, I'm partial to a Kansas ticket w/ Gov. Kathleen Sebelius as VP. 

This is one of the best predictions I've seen but you still underestimated Obama

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Obama and he needs to run now!

You get no where in politics if you wait your turn.  And Obama seems to me to be the only Democrat who can take out Hillary.  Moreover, though I've previously been partial to candidacies like that of Mark Warner--reasonable, consenus-building moderates, just as much, if not more can be accomplished with the type of inspiring leadership Obama offers. 

The biggest obstacle to any Democratic president, though, is the McCain juggernaut.  Some say McCain is too moderate for the GOP nomination but he's quickly accumulating more and more establishment support.  He's going to have tons and tons of money and I just don't see a GOPer who's going to have the power to rally forces against him at this point.

If McCain's the nominee, I think Obama could still make it competitive.  In fact, I think he's probably the ONLY Democrat who could hold off McCain.  But I'd much rather have him wait if McCain's a sure thing on the GOP side.

As for running mates for Obama, I'm partial to a Kansas ticket w/ Gov. Kathleen Sebelius as VP. 

This is one of the best predictions I've seen but you still underestimated Obama

Damn, I guess he beat me for earliest Obama beats McCain prediction.

It's going to be fun to watch the look on Republican's faces when their "maverick" loses to a one term black Senator from Chicago.