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« Reply #25 on: October 09, 2006, 05:03:34 pm »
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It'll be closer than the polls show on the day... that said, it's Casey race to lose as of today.

Casey has a strong Dem organisation in the east and west of the state and Rendell very likley re-election (potentially by a wide margin) should provide a clear win for Casey in November... but we'll see.   

Interesting theory... however, I think that no real race for the governorship, lack of organization and the fact that Rendell doesn't support Casey will mean that Democrat turnout will probably be lower, as more people are going to see the race as a run away.

Wong, wrong,....wrong....and let's see.....yup - wrong.

Rendell has a proven turnout machine in SE PA. To say that it will miraculously just fail to work this year when it has worked for him in the past is silly and not based on fact but partisan dreaming on your part.

Rendell dosen't support Casey? Wow, that's news to me. I was under the impression that giving $200,000 to Casey's campaign and appearing in one of Casey's attack ads against Santorum to refute bogus allegations qualified as as support. I guess that's just me.

And finally, voters know that if they don't turn out, Santorum will be reelected, and Dem voters will be reminded of that time and time and time again in the finals weeks before Election Day. And poll after poll after poll has shown that Dem voters are more enthused and more plan on voting this year then their Republican counterparts.

Again, your theory is based on nothing but partisan wishes and not fact.
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The others--Edwards, Hillary, and Obama, have peaked WAY too early

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« Reply #26 on: October 09, 2006, 05:09:58 pm »
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Good points Deano one would also throw in that there are at least four competive house races that will help dem turnout.
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« Reply #27 on: October 09, 2006, 07:33:17 pm »
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There is another poll that disputes this, there is poll just released that have it a 5 pt lead.

Give it a rest.
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« Reply #28 on: October 09, 2006, 08:08:41 pm »
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Rendell has a proven turnout machine in SE PA. To say that it will miraculously just fail to work this year when it has worked for him in the past is silly nad not based on fact but partisan dreaming on your part.

I didn't say it wouldn't work for Rendell, I said it wouldn't work for Casey.  Rendell doesn't need help of any machine, Swann can't win.  Rendell would have to die or get caught in a major scandal for Swann to have a chance in this race.

Casey himself has no turnout machine... at all... period.  Instead of investing in a real ground effort, he has put his money into attack ads and used his campaign staff to engage in certain underhanded activities that I am not free to discuss at the moment.

As for the SE... Casey is acctually pretty weak there.  His popularity in the Philly burbs has never been very high, and high turnout there is going to be, at best, a results-neutral kind of thing... don't believe me, ask Flyers and Bullmoose.

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Rendell dosen't support Casey? Wow, that's news to me. I was under the impression that giving $200,000 to Casey's campaign and appearing in one of Casey's attack ads against Santorum to refute bogus allegations qualified as as support. I guess that's just me.

Its lip service for the DNC.  Only one PA politician has said more negative things about Bob Casey Jr. then Rick Santorum, and that guy is Ed Rendell.  Rendell has called Casey "a cheap hack", "lazy", "a liar", "a guy who rides on his father's coattails", "an unremarkable man"... and that is just a few of them.

Moreover, when asked what he thought of this race, just one month ago, Rendell said "I can't go against Senator Santorum.  He has always delivered for Pennsylvanians."  Then went on to talk about Northeast Flood relief that Santorum provided, which was a clear attempt to undermine Casey in his home region.

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And finally, voters know that if they don't turn out, Santorum will be reelected, and Dem voters will be reminded of that time and time and time again in the finals weeks before Election Day. And poll after poll after poll has shown that Dem voters are more enthused and more plan on voting this year then their Republican counterparts.

And Santorum has a very solid core of supporters who will not need to be proded into voting for him.  And once they have, they are going to go into HQ's all over the state and make calls getting others out to the polls.  Any given night, we have close to a dozen people up at HQ making calls, and we are only getting more.  That is compared to 2 people at the local Democrat HQ.  Ours is open until 9PM.  Theres is open until 6PM.  This is the same story everywhere.

People might have been trained to hate Santorum, but hate is not sufficient to win an election when it is matched against a solid group of people who support the object of the hatred, and that has been proven time and again.

Moreover, Democrat support is ALWAYS overestimated before election day, because alot of the people who really hate the Republicans don't seem to understand that their ballot doesn't just come in the mail like their government "pay check"... they acctually have to get up off their worthless asses to vote.
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« Reply #29 on: October 09, 2006, 08:15:41 pm »
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Casey does seem pretty weak here. Granted, people will go in and vote straight Dem but I see a lot of front lawns with Rendell/Congressional candidate/State House candidate signs on the front lawn with Casey missing. I've only seen one Casey sign on a property in NE Philly. Maybe some people just don't want to be vocal about the Senate race...or they might actually want Santorum.

Some may laugh but I think this following statement might be true - people don't want to tell others that they're voting for Santorum. With Santorum down in every poll and his seemingly "crazy" stances, many might not be enthusiastic about vocally supporting him. People might say one thing to their neighbor or a pollster and vote the other way...
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« Reply #30 on: October 09, 2006, 08:21:04 pm »
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Casey does seem pretty weak here. Granted, people will go in and vote straight Dem but I see a lot of front lawns with Rendell/Congressional candidate/State House candidate signs on the front lawn with Casey missing. I've only seen one Casey sign on a property in NE Philly. Maybe some people just don't want to be vocal about the Senate race...or they might actually want Santorum.

Some may laugh but I think this following statement might be true - people don't want to tell others that they're voting for Santorum. With Santorum down in every poll and his seemingly "crazy" stances, many might not be enthusiastic about vocally supporting him. People might say one thing to their neighbor or a pollster and vote the other way...


People voting for Rendell in the SEPA will no then pull the lever for Santorum.   Lay off the drugs they are affecting your mind.
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« Reply #31 on: October 09, 2006, 08:24:20 pm »
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Moreover, Democrat support is ALWAYS overestimated before election day, because alot of the people who really hate the Republicans don't seem to understand that their ballot doesn't just come in the mail like their government "pay check"... they acctually have to get up off their worthless asses to vote.

I didn't know you were an elitist douchebag, Soulty. This post is disgusting.
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« Reply #32 on: October 09, 2006, 08:25:59 pm »
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Casey does seem pretty weak here. Granted, people will go in and vote straight Dem but I see a lot of front lawns with Rendell/Congressional candidate/State House candidate signs on the front lawn with Casey missing. I've only seen one Casey sign on a property in NE Philly. Maybe some people just don't want to be vocal about the Senate race...or they might actually want Santorum.

Some may laugh but I think this following statement might be true - people don't want to tell others that they're voting for Santorum. With Santorum down in every poll and his seemingly "crazy" stances, many might not be enthusiastic about vocally supporting him. People might say one thing to their neighbor or a pollster and vote the other way...


People voting for Rendell in the SEPA will no then pull the lever for Santorum.   Lay off the drugs they are affecting your mind.

Get in touch with reality, Democrat - People in the SE, especially in NE Philly and parts of Bucks, will vote for Rendell and Santorum. Santorum's labor support (yes, some unions have backed him) will help him big time.
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« Reply #33 on: October 09, 2006, 08:26:29 pm »
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Moreover, Democrat support is ALWAYS overestimated before election day, because alot of the people who really hate the Republicans don't seem to understand that their ballot doesn't just come in the mail like their government "pay check"... they acctually have to get up off their worthless asses to vote.

I didn't know you were an elitist douchebag, Soulty. This post is disgusting.

(And Republicans wonder why they're seen as heartless pricks...)

Wiegh this against all the posts where I defend people who are acctually in need of government assistance, and then see if I am really that heartless.  I was talkign about people who seriously abuse the system, and those people overwhealmingly hate Republicans.
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« Reply #34 on: October 09, 2006, 08:32:51 pm »
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How many people "seriously abuse" public assistance, though? Enough to swing the election if they voted? I doubt it. Most of those receiving food stamps and the like are hard-working people who just need some help.

I must admit that I was surprised to see you spew this kind of anti-poor venom, Soulty. I'd expect that from Philip, not from a moderate-populist like you.
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« Reply #35 on: October 09, 2006, 08:56:41 pm »
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Casey does seem pretty weak here. Granted, people will go in and vote straight Dem but I see a lot of front lawns with Rendell/Congressional candidate/State House candidate signs on the front lawn with Casey missing. I've only seen one Casey sign on a property in NE Philly. Maybe some people just don't want to be vocal about the Senate race...or they might actually want Santorum.

Some may laugh but I think this following statement might be true - people don't want to tell others that they're voting for Santorum. With Santorum down in every poll and his seemingly "crazy" stances, many might not be enthusiastic about vocally supporting him. People might say one thing to their neighbor or a pollster and vote the other way...


People voting for Rendell in the SEPA will no then pull the lever for Santorum.   Lay off the drugs they are affecting your mind.

Get in touch with reality, Democrat - People in the SE, especially in NE Philly and parts of Bucks, will vote for Rendell and Santorum. Santorum's labor support (yes, some unions have backed him) will help him big time.

And his support for offshoring jobs will hurt him big time.
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« Reply #36 on: October 09, 2006, 08:59:05 pm »
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And his support for offshoring jobs will hurt him big time.

Well, tell that to the unions that will be pushing him on the 7th. By the way, I haven't heard offshoring jobs brought in this campaign.
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« Reply #37 on: October 09, 2006, 09:22:42 pm »
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I didn't say it wouldn't work for Rendell, I said it wouldn't work for Casey.  Rendell doesn't need help of any machine, Swann can't win.  Rendell would have to die or get caught in a major scandal for Swann to have a chance in this race.

Casey himself has no turnout machine... at all... period.  Instead of investing in a real ground effort, he has put his money into attack ads and used his campaign staff to engage in certain underhanded activities that I am not free to discuss at the moment.

As for the SE... Casey is acctually pretty weak there.  His popularity in the Philly burbs has never been very high, and high turnout there is going to be, at best, a results-neutral kind of thing... don't believe me, ask Flyers and Bullmoose.

Wrong again. Again, none of your opinions are based on any fact. Of course Rendell needs his machine to win. Most of his votes will come form the SE. You don't just up and abandon your turnout machine b/c the polls say you are up 20 points. Would Santorum do that? I didn't think so - so why would Rendell? Your little theories MAKE NO SENSE.

Where is your evidence that Casey has no turnout operation? Also, most individual candidates don't have their own turnout machines, i'm sorry to tell you Soulty. The state parties have permanent turnout operations that they gear up every cycle, and i'm guessing the DEM party of PA's turnout machine is pretty good seeing as how they won the past 4 Prez elections. Hmmmm....who are they trying to defeat this cycle? A guy by the name of Santorum maybe? I don't think Casey will be hurt by lack of turnout until you provide me with EVIDENCE as to otherwise. His "lack of turnout" sure didn't hurt him in '04 when he won the most popular votes in a statewide election in PA history.

Wrong again. Philly suburbs will vote for Casey over Santorum. Where do you think Casey's 10-point is coming from if he dosen't lead in the Philly, Pitt and the burbs? You think he's leading Santorum in central PA? HAHA! They (Philly burbs) will vote for him over Santorum b/c

1) They agree with him on the issues more and
2) Rendell's turnout machine, most people who vote for Rendell will vote for Casey.
3) They just plain don't like (actually, hate is a better word) Santorum.



Its lip service for the DNC.  Only one PA politician has said more negative things about Bob Casey Jr. then Rick Santorum, and that guy is Ed Rendell.  Rendell has called Casey "a cheap hack", "lazy", "a liar", "a guy who rides on his father's coattails", "an unremarkable man"... and that is just a few of them.

Moreover, when asked what he thought of this race, just one month ago, Rendell said "I can't go against Senator Santorum.  He has always delivered for Pennsylvanians."  Then went on to talk about Northeast Flood relief that Santorum provided, which was a clear attempt to undermine Casey in his home region.

Hmmm.....maybe he said negative things about Casey b/c he was locked in a gubernatorial primary with him, ya think Soulty? Welcome to politics - pols don't always mean what they say. You're ignoring the fact he donated $$$$$ to Casey and not Santorum. Rendell dosen't owe the DNC anything and this is his last race - he wouldn't have donated money if he didn't want Casey to win.

Guess what Rendell did right after he said all those things about Santorum Soulty??? Oh....that's right...he appeared in a Casey ad and called Rick Santorum's lying attack ads "trash" and he did so in very forcefuil manner. TRASH. Wow, sure sounds like he is taking Santorum's side to me......

I also seem to rememeber Rendell at a Casey rally recently where he verbally stated that it was time to dump Santorum for Casey. Again, the facts do not support your argument.




And Santorum has a very solid core of supporters who will not need to be proded into voting for him.  And once they have, they are going to go into HQ's all over the state and make calls getting others out to the polls.  Any given night, we have close to a dozen people up at HQ making calls, and we are only getting more.  That is compared to 2 people at the local Democrat HQ.  Ours is open until 9PM.  Theres is open until 6PM.  This is the same story everywhere.

People might have been trained to hate Santorum, but hate is not sufficient to win an election when it is matched against a solid group of people who support the object of the hatred, and that has been proven time and again.

Moreover, Democrat support is ALWAYS overestimated before election day, because alot of the people who really hate the Republicans don't seem to understand that their ballot doesn't just come in the mail like their government "pay check"... they acctually have to get up off their worthless asses to vote.

You ignore the flip side to your argument. Santorum also has a LARGER core group of detractors who will also not need to be prodded into voting AGAISNT him. Very convenient how leave out that little inconvenient truth. Santorum is a truly despised man and deservedly so. People will flock to the polls simply to vote against him. Anyone with half a brain realizes what a polarizing figure he is and how many people truly cannot wait to vote against him and how they outnumber his supporters, as the polls have consistently proven for over the last year now.

Wow, all of that phonebanking sure hasn't done a lot of good in the polls. Am I supposed to be impressed that your offices are open later? Trust me, I'm not gonna lose too much sleep over one person's baseless opinion on the state of affairs on the PA Senate race that ignores every piece of real polling and evidence on the race.
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I'm still going out on a limb here and predicting that Tom Vilsack will eventually become the Dem nominee. 

The others--Edwards, Hillary, and Obama, have peaked WAY too early

THE BUCKS ARE GOING TO THE FINAL FOUR!!!

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« Reply #38 on: October 09, 2006, 09:24:02 pm »
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Casey does seem pretty weak here. Granted, people will go in and vote straight Dem but I see a lot of front lawns with Rendell/Congressional candidate/State House candidate signs on the front lawn with Casey missing. I've only seen one Casey sign on a property in NE Philly. Maybe some people just don't want to be vocal about the Senate race...or they might actually want Santorum.

Some may laugh but I think this following statement might be true - people don't want to tell others that they're voting for Santorum. With Santorum down in every poll and his seemingly "crazy" stances, many might not be enthusiastic about vocally supporting him. People might say one thing to their neighbor or a pollster and vote the other way...


People voting for Rendell in the SEPA will no then pull the lever for Santorum.   Lay off the drugs they are affecting your mind.
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The others--Edwards, Hillary, and Obama, have peaked WAY too early

THE BUCKS ARE GOING TO THE FINAL FOUR!!!

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And oh yeh Soulty, I agree with Rob's opinion on your cheap shot at welfare recipients, but I wasn't even going to respond to it b/c it is so stupid.....

what an ass.
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The others--Edwards, Hillary, and Obama, have peaked WAY too early

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« Reply #40 on: October 09, 2006, 09:28:01 pm »
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The final result will be within 2% either way, you can quote me on that.

These polls don't reflect the reality of the situation.

1) Casey has no ground organization to speak of.  Santorum has spent the last year and a half building one.

2) Casey still refuses to debate Santorum, and it is gonna generate possitive press.

In fact, tomorrow, Santorum is coming here to Erie for a Press Conference where he will be asked questions by a panel of three journalists... hmmm... wait you say, this sounds like a debate format... well, it is.  That's because it was supposed to be a debate and Casey begged off at the last minute.

There will be two podiums on the stage... Santorum's... and the empty one that Casey was supposed to be standing at... I wonder what kinda press that is going to generate.

3) Casey's lead is soft, 20% of it is based on name recongnition alone.

4) Undecideds are gonna break solidly for Santorum, because if you haven't jumped on the Casey band wagon by now, you never will.

Did Mark Kennedy tell you that?

I was acctually just about to change that seat to a Dem Lean

Good, but I tend to trust myself over anyone who actually thought Kennedy was at least a half-decent candidate.

And I tend to trust the judgement of someone who is in state over that of someone who is out of state... that being said, you have the right-up on me in Minnesota and I woudl trust that you would believe the same for me in PA

I might if it weren't for the fact that we've been hearing forever that Santorum was going to be pull some miraculous comeback, and he hasn't.

Phil said he would be within 2 after Labor Day. He wasn't.

We were told he'd get a massive boost after the Meet The Press debate. He didn't.

We were told that whe the polls had him within 5-6 points that it'd hold there at least. It didn't.

And to top it off his approvals are trash

Note that even the Republicans admit Burns and DeWine are probably screwed, and they're both running in more conservative states against far more liberal opponents. If someone doesn't think Santorum will lose now, they must think there is absolutely no circumstance whatsoever in which he can lose, because it's harder to think a worse case scenario.
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« Reply #41 on: October 09, 2006, 09:56:19 pm »
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I don't see any evidence that Pennsylvania polls are biased in favor of Democrats. Looking at the final five 2004 polls in PA:

2004-11-01 Survey USA K +1 48% 49% 1% 2% 4% 657 L 0
2004-10-31 Quinnipiac University Tie 47% 47% 0% 6% 3% 1,022 L 0
2004-10-31 Gallup B +4 50% 46% 0% 4% 3% 1,082 L 0
2004-10-29 Mason-Dixon K +2 46% 48% 0% 6% 4% 625 L 0
2004-10-27 Strategic Vision Tie 48% 48% 0% 4% 3% 801 L 0

All underestimated Kerry's margin of victory. The last poll to overestimate Kerry's lead was West Chester University on 10-27 (a Uni poll....)

So I guess I'm not seeing where this idea that Dems overpoll in PA is coming from, at least based on the last election.
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« Reply #42 on: October 09, 2006, 10:33:08 pm »
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Casey does seem pretty weak here. Granted, people will go in and vote straight Dem but I see a lot of front lawns with Rendell/Congressional candidate/State House candidate signs on the front lawn with Casey missing. I've only seen one Casey sign on a property in NE Philly. Maybe some people just don't want to be vocal about the Senate race...or they might actually want Santorum.

Some may laugh but I think this following statement might be true - people don't want to tell others that they're voting for Santorum. With Santorum down in every poll and his seemingly "crazy" stances, many might not be enthusiastic about vocally supporting him. People might say one thing to their neighbor or a pollster and vote the other way...


People voting for Rendell in the SEPA will no then pull the lever for Santorum.   Lay off the drugs they are affecting your mind.

Get in touch with reality, Democrat - People in the SE, especially in NE Philly and parts of Bucks, will vote for Rendell and Santorum. Santorum's labor support (yes, some unions have backed him) will help him big time.

Some people yes?  However, Rendell is going o absolutley DEMOLISH Swann in the SE.  he is going to put up Spitzer type numbers in that part of the state, and its something that will no doubt benefit Casey and really hurt Santorum.
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« Reply #43 on: October 09, 2006, 10:54:36 pm »
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Casey does seem pretty weak here. Granted, people will go in and vote straight Dem but I see a lot of front lawns with Rendell/Congressional candidate/State House candidate signs on the front lawn with Casey missing. I've only seen one Casey sign on a property in NE Philly. Maybe some people just don't want to be vocal about the Senate race...or they might actually want Santorum.

Some may laugh but I think this following statement might be true - people don't want to tell others that they're voting for Santorum. With Santorum down in every poll and his seemingly "crazy" stances, many might not be enthusiastic about vocally supporting him. People might say one thing to their neighbor or a pollster and vote the other way...


People voting for Rendell in the SEPA will no then pull the lever for Santorum.   Lay off the drugs they are affecting your mind.

Get in touch with reality, Democrat - People in the SE, especially in NE Philly and parts of Bucks, will vote for Rendell and Santorum. Santorum's labor support (yes, some unions have backed him) will help him big time.

Some people yes?  However, Rendell is going o absolutley DEMOLISH Swann in the SE.  he is going to put up Spitzer type numbers in that part of the state, and its something that will no doubt benefit Casey and really hurt Santorum.

Yeah...but...I wasn't even arguing against that. My point was that Santorum will still pull in more support from Rendell voters than you guys think. Will he lose big time? Absolutely. However, it won't be as bad as you want it to be.
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« Reply #44 on: October 09, 2006, 11:23:22 pm »
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Okay, first off, I have no clue why Deano feels the need to come off with such an uber-confrontational tone, other than perhaps he is merely an angry little man who needs to vent on someone.  

I am going to say that BRTD is definatly being rational and civilized in this, and I appreciate that.

Now, to answer some of the questions/statements that have been out to me:

1) "All that phone banking" is going to help because it is helping us to identify which voters we need to target and remind them to either get out to the polls, vote absentee, or who we can target to try to win them over to our side.

2) I know our turnout operation is better because I am here on the ground working for it and looking at what we have vs what they have and because we have reports throughout the state that ours is better statewide.  I thought I had explained that, but I guess I had not made that sufficiently clear.

3) I never said Rendell is not gonna use his machine, I said that he is not gonna be cranking it in the same way as he would if this were a close race.

4) Acctually, Casey's strength is not in the Southeast and even the polls bear that out.  His numbers in that region, comapred to his over-all total is a lot small than they would be for an average Democrat, and he is over performing in central PA, the and the Northeast and Santorum is still stronger in Pittsburgh than his overall numbers.

5) That's not gonna matter so much though, because this election day is going to be all about turnout, and we are gonna do way better than the Casey people at that.  Maybe not enough to win, but enough to make it a race.

Both bases are fired up, I think the Republican base is just now starting to get stoked.  So the question is, who has the better turnout machine, the answer to that from everything that I have seen (period) is Santorum... by far.

6) Rendell's comments are still just paying lip service to the DLC no matter how you look at it.  People who are strong supporters of Rendell don't like Casey.  Rendell doesn't like Casey.  And the feelings are mutual.  This is gonna create infighting on election day and because Rendell's people are the ones with the machine, voters who are strong supporters of Rendell are gonna be the ones who get attention.  Trust me, I have seen how this stuff works first hand.  Lucky for us, Swann is the one who is piggy backing off of us, so our needs are gonna come first.

7) The Party turnout machines have been gutted by McCain/Feingold.  That being said, the Republicans is still better.  How do you think we won in 2004?  The methods that we use to identify and target voters and areas of voters are so sophisticated that the Dems look like they are living in the Stone Age.

Cool Rendell hands out millions from his own funds for his own reelection.  He almost can't lose... if he really wanted Casey to win, he would give him more help.

9) Casey has never run against anyone who had a chance of beating him and acctually won.  2004 was a joke, Jean Pepper was a nobody who jumped into the race because she didn't have anything better to do.  I've met the woman... kinda funny, I acctually made a comment about what a joke she was, then found out she was standing right behind me.  What I said was "Who is the Hell is Jean Pepper?"  Then the person I was talking to politely informed me "The lady right behind you".  Embarassing, sure, but I don't take back the sentiment.  Besides, no one gives a sh**t about who the State Treasurer is... if you are anyone a race like that is a gimme.

10) Our offices are open later because we have more people who work harder.  That's gonna make a difference in the last three days of the race.

11) In response to BRTD... I am telling you, my the polls are wrong.  My honest gut feeling from being on the ground is that this is a 5 or 4 point race.

12) Undecideds are gonna swing Santorum, and there are still a lot of undecideds in this race, at least 20% which is remarkable for a race that is this far down the pike and so hotly contested and reported on.  If you haven't jumped on the Casey bandwagon yet, chances are you aren't gonna.

13) Midterms favor the GOP.  Even if they acctually lose them, the numbers are more favorable than they would be during a Presidential election.  If I just looked at the polls, I would predict absolute disaster for the GOP on election day, all over the map, but I don't because I don't think the polls bear out the reality on the ground, plain and simple.

14) I hate to think this way, but everything negative that can be said about Sanotorum has been said.  If they were sitting on anything that would crush him, they would have used it already.  I can't say the same for Casey.

15) Finally, I don't think I should have to defend myself on this, but since it will never stop being talked about if I don't assert myself:

I have, on this forum, stood up for less fortunate people many many many times.  My family has had to use public funded services in the past, because we didnt have the money to pay for groceries and keep our house.  I have always stuck up for people who are in need of government services.

I appologize to Rob for having offended him.  I've been having one of those irritable kind of days, and I admit I went to heavy on the hyberbole.

I do not, however, apologize to Deano, as he disregarded my explantion and used the moment to fuel his political anger and charecterization of me as being a bad person.
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« Reply #45 on: October 10, 2006, 04:23:17 am »
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Soulty, I hear what you're saying but I think you will have to eat it all up by election day. No matter what people want to be true, polls, taken as an average, are very seldom far off. As long as the polls show this as being (roughly) a 50-40 race, then Santorum isn't gonna win.

That being said, Deano has really entered the wrong forum. This is not a forum for Dem hacks, it's supposed to be for serious discussions about elections and politics with RESPECT for the other side.
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« Reply #46 on: October 10, 2006, 10:14:55 am »
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I appologize to Rob for having offended him.  I've been having one of those irritable kind of days, and I admit I went to heavy on the hyberbole.

No problem. Like I said, it surprised me coming from you... but it's good that you still support public-assistance programs.

As for irritable moods? I know all about those, believe me. Wink
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« Reply #47 on: October 10, 2006, 12:24:24 pm »
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The one thing no Republican ever mentions:

SANTORUM'S APPROVAL RATINGS ARE CRAP

People with net 14% disapproval seldom win, and certainly not Republicans in Kerry states in bad Republican years against the best possible challenger the opponent can get.

Like I said, Republicans must think there is no circumstance whatsoever under which Santorum can lose, because I can't think of more of a worst-case scenario than now.
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« Reply #48 on: October 10, 2006, 05:42:09 pm »
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2) I know our turnout operation is better because I am here on the ground working for it and looking at what we have vs what they have and because we have reports throughout the state that ours is better statewide.  I thought I had explained that, but I guess I had not made that sufficiently clear.


LOL.

MAN is it going to be funny when you guys and your supposedly superior turnout operation get destroyed by Rendell and Casey!!! LOL.
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I'm still going out on a limb here and predicting that Tom Vilsack will eventually become the Dem nominee. 

The others--Edwards, Hillary, and Obama, have peaked WAY too early

THE BUCKS ARE GOING TO THE FINAL FOUR!!!

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« Reply #49 on: October 10, 2006, 05:47:32 pm »
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And by the way Soulty - you are the one who was out of line with your totally classless and cheap shot at welfare recipients. I don't feel sorry for you one bit or about anything I said. It's not my fault you can't be told the truth without being insulted. If you want to be treated with respect, you should try laying off the hyperpartisan rhetoric. Plus you're a hack for thinking Santorum will win. That last part is just my opinion, but everything preceding it was fact.
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I'm still going out on a limb here and predicting that Tom Vilsack will eventually become the Dem nominee. 

The others--Edwards, Hillary, and Obama, have peaked WAY too early

THE BUCKS ARE GOING TO THE FINAL FOUR!!!

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