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« on: October 09, 2006, 12:32:14 PM »

The final result will be within 2% either way, you can quote me on that.

These polls don't reflect the reality of the situation.

1) Casey has no ground organization to speak of.  Santorum has spent the last year and a half building one.

2) Casey still refuses to debate Santorum, and it is gonna generate possitive press.

In fact, tomorrow, Santorum is coming here to Erie for a Press Conference where he will be asked questions by a panel of three journalists... hmmm... wait you say, this sounds like a debate format... well, it is.  That's because it was supposed to be a debate and Casey begged off at the last minute.

There will be two podiums on the stage... Santorum's... and the empty one that Casey was supposed to be standing at... I wonder what kinda press that is going to generate.

3) Casey's lead is soft, 20% of it is based on name recongnition alone.

4) Undecideds are gonna break solidly for Santorum, because if you haven't jumped on the Casey band wagon by now, you never will.
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« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2006, 12:43:42 PM »

The final result will be within 2% either way, you can quote me on that.

These polls don't reflect the reality of the situation.

1) Casey has no ground organization to speak of.  Santorum has spent the last year and a half building one.

2) Casey still refuses to debate Santorum, and it is gonna generate possitive press.

In fact, tomorrow, Santorum is coming here to Erie for a Press Conference where he will be asked questions by a panel of three journalists... hmmm... wait you say, this sounds like a debate format... well, it is.  That's because it was supposed to be a debate and Casey begged off at the last minute.

There will be two podiums on the stage... Santorum's... and the empty one that Casey was supposed to be standing at... I wonder what kinda press that is going to generate.

3) Casey's lead is soft, 20% of it is based on name recongnition alone.

4) Undecideds are gonna break solidly for Santorum, because if you haven't jumped on the Casey band wagon by now, you never will.

Did Mark Kennedy tell you that?

I was acctually just about to change that seat to a Dem Lean
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« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2006, 01:51:39 PM »

It'll be closer than the polls show on the day... that said, it's Casey race to lose as of today.

Casey has a strong Dem organisation in the east and west of the state and Rendell very likley re-election (potentially by a wide margin) should provide a clear win for Casey in November... but we'll see.   

Interesting theory... however, I think that no real race for the governorship, lack of organization and the fact that Rendell doesn't support Casey will mean that Democrat turnout will probably be lower, as more people are going to see the race as a run away.
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« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2006, 02:45:49 PM »

The final result will be within 2% either way, you can quote me on that.

These polls don't reflect the reality of the situation.

1) Casey has no ground organization to speak of.  Santorum has spent the last year and a half building one.

2) Casey still refuses to debate Santorum, and it is gonna generate possitive press.

In fact, tomorrow, Santorum is coming here to Erie for a Press Conference where he will be asked questions by a panel of three journalists... hmmm... wait you say, this sounds like a debate format... well, it is.  That's because it was supposed to be a debate and Casey begged off at the last minute.

There will be two podiums on the stage... Santorum's... and the empty one that Casey was supposed to be standing at... I wonder what kinda press that is going to generate.

3) Casey's lead is soft, 20% of it is based on name recongnition alone.

4) Undecideds are gonna break solidly for Santorum, because if you haven't jumped on the Casey band wagon by now, you never will.

Did Mark Kennedy tell you that?

I was acctually just about to change that seat to a Dem Lean

Good, but I tend to trust myself over anyone who actually thought Kennedy was at least a half-decent candidate.

And I tend to trust the judgement of someone who is in state over that of someone who is out of state... that being said, you have the right-up on me in Minnesota and I woudl trust that you would believe the same for me in PA
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« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2006, 08:08:41 PM »


Rendell has a proven turnout machine in SE PA. To say that it will miraculously just fail to work this year when it has worked for him in the past is silly nad not based on fact but partisan dreaming on your part.

I didn't say it wouldn't work for Rendell, I said it wouldn't work for Casey.  Rendell doesn't need help of any machine, Swann can't win.  Rendell would have to die or get caught in a major scandal for Swann to have a chance in this race.

Casey himself has no turnout machine... at all... period.  Instead of investing in a real ground effort, he has put his money into attack ads and used his campaign staff to engage in certain underhanded activities that I am not free to discuss at the moment.

As for the SE... Casey is acctually pretty weak there.  His popularity in the Philly burbs has never been very high, and high turnout there is going to be, at best, a results-neutral kind of thing... don't believe me, ask Flyers and Bullmoose.

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Its lip service for the DNC.  Only one PA politician has said more negative things about Bob Casey Jr. then Rick Santorum, and that guy is Ed Rendell.  Rendell has called Casey "a cheap hack", "lazy", "a liar", "a guy who rides on his father's coattails", "an unremarkable man"... and that is just a few of them.

Moreover, when asked what he thought of this race, just one month ago, Rendell said "I can't go against Senator Santorum.  He has always delivered for Pennsylvanians."  Then went on to talk about Northeast Flood relief that Santorum provided, which was a clear attempt to undermine Casey in his home region.

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And Santorum has a very solid core of supporters who will not need to be proded into voting for him.  And once they have, they are going to go into HQ's all over the state and make calls getting others out to the polls.  Any given night, we have close to a dozen people up at HQ making calls, and we are only getting more.  That is compared to 2 people at the local Democrat HQ.  Ours is open until 9PM.  Theres is open until 6PM.  This is the same story everywhere.

People might have been trained to hate Santorum, but hate is not sufficient to win an election when it is matched against a solid group of people who support the object of the hatred, and that has been proven time and again.

Moreover, Democrat support is ALWAYS overestimated before election day, because alot of the people who really hate the Republicans don't seem to understand that their ballot doesn't just come in the mail like their government "pay check"... they acctually have to get up off their worthless asses to vote.
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« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2006, 08:26:29 PM »

Moreover, Democrat support is ALWAYS overestimated before election day, because alot of the people who really hate the Republicans don't seem to understand that their ballot doesn't just come in the mail like their government "pay check"... they acctually have to get up off their worthless asses to vote.

I didn't know you were an elitist douchebag, Soulty. This post is disgusting.

(And Republicans wonder why they're seen as heartless pricks...)

Wiegh this against all the posts where I defend people who are acctually in need of government assistance, and then see if I am really that heartless.  I was talkign about people who seriously abuse the system, and those people overwhealmingly hate Republicans.
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« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2006, 11:23:22 PM »

Okay, first off, I have no clue why Deano feels the need to come off with such an uber-confrontational tone, other than perhaps he is merely an angry little man who needs to vent on someone.  

I am going to say that BRTD is definatly being rational and civilized in this, and I appreciate that.

Now, to answer some of the questions/statements that have been out to me:

1) "All that phone banking" is going to help because it is helping us to identify which voters we need to target and remind them to either get out to the polls, vote absentee, or who we can target to try to win them over to our side.

2) I know our turnout operation is better because I am here on the ground working for it and looking at what we have vs what they have and because we have reports throughout the state that ours is better statewide.  I thought I had explained that, but I guess I had not made that sufficiently clear.

3) I never said Rendell is not gonna use his machine, I said that he is not gonna be cranking it in the same way as he would if this were a close race.

4) Acctually, Casey's strength is not in the Southeast and even the polls bear that out.  His numbers in that region, comapred to his over-all total is a lot small than they would be for an average Democrat, and he is over performing in central PA, the and the Northeast and Santorum is still stronger in Pittsburgh than his overall numbers.

5) That's not gonna matter so much though, because this election day is going to be all about turnout, and we are gonna do way better than the Casey people at that.  Maybe not enough to win, but enough to make it a race.

Both bases are fired up, I think the Republican base is just now starting to get stoked.  So the question is, who has the better turnout machine, the answer to that from everything that I have seen (period) is Santorum... by far.

6) Rendell's comments are still just paying lip service to the DLC no matter how you look at it.  People who are strong supporters of Rendell don't like Casey.  Rendell doesn't like Casey.  And the feelings are mutual.  This is gonna create infighting on election day and because Rendell's people are the ones with the machine, voters who are strong supporters of Rendell are gonna be the ones who get attention.  Trust me, I have seen how this stuff works first hand.  Lucky for us, Swann is the one who is piggy backing off of us, so our needs are gonna come first.

7) The Party turnout machines have been gutted by McCain/Feingold.  That being said, the Republicans is still better.  How do you think we won in 2004?  The methods that we use to identify and target voters and areas of voters are so sophisticated that the Dems look like they are living in the Stone Age.

Cool Rendell hands out millions from his own funds for his own reelection.  He almost can't lose... if he really wanted Casey to win, he would give him more help.

9) Casey has never run against anyone who had a chance of beating him and acctually won.  2004 was a joke, Jean Pepper was a nobody who jumped into the race because she didn't have anything better to do.  I've met the woman... kinda funny, I acctually made a comment about what a joke she was, then found out she was standing right behind me.  What I said was "Who is the Hell is Jean Pepper?"  Then the person I was talking to politely informed me "The lady right behind you".  Embarassing, sure, but I don't take back the sentiment.  Besides, no one gives a sh**t about who the State Treasurer is... if you are anyone a race like that is a gimme.

10) Our offices are open later because we have more people who work harder.  That's gonna make a difference in the last three days of the race.

11) In response to BRTD... I am telling you, my the polls are wrong.  My honest gut feeling from being on the ground is that this is a 5 or 4 point race.

12) Undecideds are gonna swing Santorum, and there are still a lot of undecideds in this race, at least 20% which is remarkable for a race that is this far down the pike and so hotly contested and reported on.  If you haven't jumped on the Casey bandwagon yet, chances are you aren't gonna.

13) Midterms favor the GOP.  Even if they acctually lose them, the numbers are more favorable than they would be during a Presidential election.  If I just looked at the polls, I would predict absolute disaster for the GOP on election day, all over the map, but I don't because I don't think the polls bear out the reality on the ground, plain and simple.

14) I hate to think this way, but everything negative that can be said about Sanotorum has been said.  If they were sitting on anything that would crush him, they would have used it already.  I can't say the same for Casey.

15) Finally, I don't think I should have to defend myself on this, but since it will never stop being talked about if I don't assert myself:

I have, on this forum, stood up for less fortunate people many many many times.  My family has had to use public funded services in the past, because we didnt have the money to pay for groceries and keep our house.  I have always stuck up for people who are in need of government services.

I appologize to Rob for having offended him.  I've been having one of those irritable kind of days, and I admit I went to heavy on the hyberbole.

I do not, however, apologize to Deano, as he disregarded my explantion and used the moment to fuel his political anger and charecterization of me as being a bad person.
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« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2006, 07:37:10 PM »



2) I know our turnout operation is better because I am here on the ground working for it and looking at what we have vs what they have and because we have reports throughout the state that ours is better statewide.  I thought I had explained that, but I guess I had not made that sufficiently clear.


LOL.

MAN is it going to be funny when you guys and your supposedly superior turnout operation get destroyed by Rendell and Casey!!! LOL.

First off, if you had ever acctually read my comments, I have no doubt Rendell is going to clean up.  Second, I'm not saying we are going to win for sure... far from it.  I'm saying this thing is gonna be a lot tighter than people think.
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