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Joel the Attention Whore
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« on: November 01, 2006, 08:53:16 PM »

Choose from the following pairs.

Bush Sr
Bush Jr

Reagan
Bush Jr

Ford
Bush Jr

Jeanne Kirkpatrick
Paul Wolfowitz

Barry Goldwater
Tom Tancredo

Average Paleoconservative
Average Neoconservative

Reasons why would be great, thanks.
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Bandit3 the Worker
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« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2006, 09:07:32 PM »

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Bush Sr.

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Reagan

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Ford

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Kirkpatrick

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Goldwater

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Average paleoconservative
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« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2006, 09:13:18 PM »
« Edited: November 01, 2006, 09:19:03 PM by nclib »

I'd agree with bandit's answers except I'd prefer the average neo-conservative over ther average paleo-conservative.

As for reasons for the first three, I would prefer Bush Sr., Reagan, and Ford to Bush Jr. because Jr. is more of an "in-your-face" religious conservative.
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« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2006, 09:16:12 PM »

I'd agree with bandit's answers except I'd prefer the average neo-conservative over ther average paleo-conservative.

A paleoconservative has more of a populist appeal.

A neoconservative is conservative just for the sake of being conservative and rubbing everyone's noses in it.
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« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2006, 09:20:19 PM »

I'd agree with bandit's answers except I'd prefer the average neo-conservative over ther average paleo-conservative.

A paleoconservative has more of a populist appeal.

A neoconservative is conservative just for the sake of being conservative and rubbing everyone's noses in it.

I've always thought of paleo-conservatives as being more socially conservative.
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« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2006, 09:48:51 PM »

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Bush Sr. Bush Sr. demonstrated a competent foreign policy while in office, although his decision not to go into Iraq is somewhat questionable. I don't think going into Iraq in 1991 would have been any more successful than it currently has been, but I'm not exactly that pleased about stationing thousands of troops in Saudi Arabia. I probably would have voted for Bush in 1988 (with hindsight, Dukakis), and if he had done a better job addressing the domestic issues facing this country, I would have supported his re-election in 1992.

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Reagan. He was simply more competent than Bush Jr and was a better leader. I disagree with many of his policies, but he did a pretty good job while in office.

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I simply agree with Ford's ideology more than I do Bush's. Ford wasn't that great of a President, but he didn't do anything awful while in office. Unfortunately, such a thing does not apply to George W. Bush.

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Ouch. Gotta go with Kirkpatrick. I strongly disagree with parts of the Kirkpatrick doctrine, but the anti-communist movement was rather harmless  in comparison to Wolfowitz's manipulation with Iraq.

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Goldwater, easily. I obviously agree with Goldwater on social issues, and Tancredo is pretty insane, IMO. 

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Ugh. I honestly can't decide.
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« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2006, 09:56:34 PM »


First off, let me begin by noting my pet peeve: their names are not "George Bush Sr." and "George Bush Jr."; they're "George H. W. Bush" and "George W. Bush". Tongue

Anyways...

George H. W. Bush.  At least he was competent.


Reagan.  I didn't like his policies, but he offered hope to a lot of Americans, and again, was actually competent.


Ford.  Much more moderate than Dubya, and again, actually competent.


I don't know Jeanne Kirkpatrick, so I can't really answer.


Goldwater.  He actually had some ideas I agree with, unlike... yeah, the other guy.

Average Paleoconservative
Average Neoconservative

Paleoconservative.  Neoconservatism's approach to foreign policy is so bad that I don't care that I agree more with its policies regarding spending and welfare and such like than I do with paleoconservatism's policies in those areas.
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« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2006, 11:28:11 PM »

Bush Sr <-----
Bush Jr

Reagan  <------
Bush Jr

Ford <------
Bush Jr

Jeanne Kirkpatrick (Satan vs Lucifer)
Paul Wolfowitz (Satan vs Lucifer)

Barry Goldwater <--------
Tom Tancredo

Average Paleoconservative <-------
Average Neoconservative
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« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2006, 11:35:18 PM »

Bush Sr
Bush Jr

Reagan
Bush Jr

Ford
Bush Jr

Jeanne Kirkpatrick
Paul Wolfowitz

Barry Goldwater
Tom Tancredo

Average Paleoconservative
Average Neoconservative

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« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2006, 09:57:58 AM »

Bush Sr
Reagan
Ford
Kirkpatrick
Goldwater
Neocon
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« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2006, 04:31:53 PM »


Bush Sr - Much better than his son

Reagan - Although I don't care much for his voodoo economics, I feel I would like him much better as a person

Ford - Easy choice

Jeanne Kirkpatrick

Barry Goldwater - Goldwater was more a Libertarian towards the end, and his later stances made up for his opposition to Civil Rights

Average Neoconservative - Although this choice is made with much difficulty, I just basically remembered an average Paleocon is Pat Buchanan, and that's all I needed.
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« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2006, 03:03:31 AM »

George H. W Bush over George W Bush.  Crappy president, but unlike his son wans't completley nuts

Reagan over George W Bush, if jumping off a cliff wasn't a viable option

Ford over Dubya.  ford did nothing which is 1000000x better than what Dubya has done

Kirkpatrick over Wolfowitz.  Kirkpatrick's policies were pretty bad, but not worse than the Iraq debacle.

Goldwater over Tancredo.  Goldwater actually had some decen ideas, though strongly disagreed with some of his views.  Also some of those views changed over the years.  tancredo may actually be even more insane than Dubya.

Average Paleoconservative over Average Neoconservative.  Dog dirt vs Dogdirt, but For no other reason other than its easier to defeat a Paleoconservative as most of the issues a Paleoconservative favors they are losing ground in the country on.  They both play it, but the neoconservative might be able to  get more use and longevity out of the fear card.
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« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2006, 02:13:40 PM »

Choose from the following pairs.

Bush Sr
Bush Jr

Bush Sr because he was more moderate and more genuine.

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Reagan because he was more of a libertarian.

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Gerald Ford... an essentially average choice.

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Kirkpatrick. It seems she was less involved in the current Iraq fiasco.

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Barry Goldwater. Tancredo's a single-issue opportunist.

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Average paleoconservative... at least they aren't warmongers. If neocons were any good at nation-building- nevermind.
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« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2006, 02:32:25 PM »


Bush Sr., of course.




Ugh, Reagan, I guess.




Ford, by far.




I had actually to look up who Kirkpatrick is. Seems like a tie... I would take the World Bank President Wolfowitz over Kirkpatrick, but Kirkpatrick over the Deputy Secretary of Defense Wolfowitz. Wink




Goldwater, I guess.



Average Paleoconservative
Average Neoconservative

Paleoconservative.
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« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2006, 12:05:49 PM »

Bush Sr - Seems like the lesser of two evils
Bush Jr

Reagan - Same as above.
Bush Jr

Ford - See above.
Bush Jr

Jeanne Kirkpatrick
Paul Wolfowitz - Hard choice.

Barry Goldwater
Tom Tancredo - Goldwater was more of a nut than Tancredo is.

Average Paleoconservative
Average Neoconservative - Paleoconservatism evokes a connotation of protectionism, and I'll choose foreign policy neoconservatism over foreign policy isolationism.
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« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2006, 05:39:12 PM »

Bush Senior over Bush Junior: Senior was more moderate (although he often pretended not to be for the sake of party support) and more competent.

Reagan over Bush Junior: Reagan was more entertaining and seemed to have enough sense not to try seriously to enact some of his more ridiculous policy ideas.

Ford over Bush Junior: again, Ford was more moderate... although in an intelligence contest between the two, there would be no winner.

Kirkpatrick and Wolfowitz: I find them both equally repulsive.

Goldwater over Tancredo: Goldwater was a man of principle, and I admired him for that, even though I disagreed with him on most matters.

Paleoconservative over Neoconservative: Most "neoconservatives" are not true conservatives but use the term to justify their selfishness.
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