Santorum and Allen

[kashifsakhan]

How do the results in Pennsylvania and Virginia affect potential Santorum and Allen presidential runs in 2008?

[Sam Spade]

I doubt either of these candidates has any future value in a Presidential run.

If I were asked who would be more likely to win elected office again, my vote would go with Santorum, frankly.

[Kevin]

Sanotrums political career isn't dead. I do seriously think he would be a good Governor of PA if he were to seek that office.

[AndrewTX]

George Allen has been a very dull person in my opinion, and probably wont be doing anything in politics after he loses.

 As for Santorum though, I can see the President appointing him to something in the near future.

[Frodo]

How do the results in Pennsylvania and Virginia affect potential Santorum and Allen presidential runs in 2008?

They have destroyed them. 

[Colin]

How do the results in Pennsylvania and Virginia affect potential Santorum and Allen presidential runs in 2008?

They have destroyed them. 

Basically. This election leaves Mitt Romney the prime contender for the conservative vote in the Primaries in 2008.

[NewFederalist]

If true the GOP is really in deep do do.

[Keystone Phil]

How do the results in Pennsylvania and Virginia affect potential Santorum and Allen presidential runs in 2008?

They have destroyed them. 

Basically. This election leaves Mitt Romney the prime contender for the conservative vote in the Primaries in 2008.

Mitt Romney - the conservative's choice...

That's when you know you're in bad shape. I disagree with the statement. I think McCain is more of a conservative option than Romney.

[Colin]

How do the results in Pennsylvania and Virginia affect potential Santorum and Allen presidential runs in 2008?

They have destroyed them. 

Basically. This election leaves Mitt Romney the prime contender for the conservative vote in the Primaries in 2008.

Mitt Romney - the conservative's choice...

That's when you know you're in bad shape. I disagree with the statement. I think McCain is more of a conservative option than Romney.

Probably. It depends upon how conservatives view McCain. Will they still see him as the moderate Maverick who attacked the religious right in 2000 or will they see him as the only standard bearer they have in a race filled with moderates and less ideological candidates.

[J. J.]

If the farm team is McCain and Romney, the GOP is in great shape.

[Smash255]

Sanotrums political career isn't dead. I do seriously think he would be a good Governor of PA if he were to seek that office.

he wouldn't have a chance, a beat down this badly he is finished unless he wants to try a house seat down the line somewhere, any Gubneatorial bid he would get his ass kicked again (though maybe not this bad)

[J. J.]

Sanotrums political career isn't dead. I do seriously think he would be a good Governor of PA if he were to seek that office.

he wouldn't have a chance, a beat down this badly he is finished unless he wants to try a house seat down the line somewhere, any Gubneatorial bid he would get his ass kicked again (though maybe not this bad)

I know after Schiavo, I'd have a hard time voting for him for a state office, where he could enact end of life legislation.

[Keystone Phil]

Sanotrums political career isn't dead. I do seriously think he would be a good Governor of PA if he were to seek that office.

he wouldn't have a chance, a beat down this badly he is finished unless he wants to try a house seat down the line somewhere, any Gubneatorial bid he would get his ass kicked again (though maybe not this bad)

Why would he get his ass kicked again? Who are we to say with certainty how a race six years away will end? For all we know, the PA Dems could become the next OH Republicans and blow every election.

[George W. Hobbes]

Rick Santorum as Secretary of Moral Security!

[Reignman]

Santorum had no chance of winning pres.

Allen has lost his small chance.

[Keystone Phil]

Rick Santorum as Secretary of Moral Security!

I've always said that they'd need to actually create a position for him. 

[Smash255]

Sanotrums political career isn't dead. I do seriously think he would be a good Governor of PA if he were to seek that office.

he wouldn't have a chance, a beat down this badly he is finished unless he wants to try a house seat down the line somewhere, any Gubneatorial bid he would get his ass kicked again (though maybe not this bad)

Why would he get his ass kicked again? Who are we to say with certainty how a race six years away will end? For all we know, the PA Dems could become the next OH Republicans and blow every election.

Its quite rare that an Incumbent gets his ass kicked statewide and comes back and wins again statewide.  if it was a close election, than maybe, but the voters of PA sent Santorum a clear message.  The message was you suck.  incumbents don't lose that badly and remain relevent.  he is just too conservative for the state and it showed.

[Keystone Phil]

Sanotrums political career isn't dead. I do seriously think he would be a good Governor of PA if he were to seek that office.

he wouldn't have a chance, a beat down this badly he is finished unless he wants to try a house seat down the line somewhere, any Gubneatorial bid he would get his ass kicked again (though maybe not this bad)

Why would he get his ass kicked again? Who are we to say with certainty how a race six years away will end? For all we know, the PA Dems could become the next OH Republicans and blow every election.

Its quite rare that an Incumbent gets his ass kicked statewide and comes back and wins again statewide.  if it was a close election, than maybe, but the voters of PA sent Santorum a clear message.  The message was you suck.  incumbents don't lose that badly and remain relevent.  he is just too conservative for the state and it showed.

Ok but that message doesn't last forever, Smash. Overall, yes, Santorum was disliked but that ass kicking was mostly centered around one man - President Bush - and he won't be President four years from now. But now that he was destroyed, there is no use arguing with you about why since you'll just claim it was mainly on how he was a far right winger, blah, blah, blah. I just can't waste time on dumbs like yourself anymore, Smash. It's far too time consuming.

[Smash255]

Sanotrums political career isn't dead. I do seriously think he would be a good Governor of PA if he were to seek that office.

he wouldn't have a chance, a beat down this badly he is finished unless he wants to try a house seat down the line somewhere, any Gubneatorial bid he would get his ass kicked again (though maybe not this bad)

Why would he get his ass kicked again? Who are we to say with certainty how a race six years away will end? For all we know, the PA Dems could become the next OH Republicans and blow every election.

Its quite rare that an Incumbent gets his ass kicked statewide and comes back and wins again statewide.  if it was a close election, than maybe, but the voters of PA sent Santorum a clear message.  The message was you suck.  incumbents don't lose that badly and remain relevent.  he is just too conservative for the state and it showed.

Ok but that message doesn't last forever, Smash. Overall, yes, Santorum was disliked but that ass kicking was mostly centered around one man - President Bush - and he won't be President four years from now. But now that he was destroyed, there is no use arguing with you about why since you'll just claim it was mainly on how he was a far right winger, blah, blah, blah. I just can't waste time on dumbs like yourself anymore, Smash. It's far too time consuming.

I guess its a bit too simplistic for you to comprehend.  Obviously Santorum being a very close ally with Bush in a state which Bush is strongly disliked hurt him.  Santorum has always been quite conservative, though he has become more conservative over the last few years.  he wasn't always viewed as being in the far right of the party, but now he is, in part due to his close relationship with Bush who is also viewed among the far right.

their is no question Bush hurt Santorum's perfrormance in the race, that is obvious.  But Bush also had a depper effect on Santorum as the voters now see him as being further to the right than they did previously in part because of Bush.  He is simply too conservative for the state.  he won in the past because he wasn't viewed as part of the far right, now he is and thats not going to change.

[Keystone Phil]

I guess its a bit too simplistic for you to comprehend.  Obviously Santorum being a very close ally with Bush in a state which Bush is strongly disliked hurt him.  Santorum has always been quite conservative, though he has become more conservative over the last few years.  he wasn't always viewed as being in the far right of the party, but now he is, in part due to his close relationship with Bush who is also viewed among the far right.

Actually, he was very much viewed as a far right winger in 1994 and that was a main reason as to why Wofford still had a shot.

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So he could go from being seen as a standard conservative to a far right winger but can't reverse this over four years. Thanks, Smash.

[Galactic Overlord]

I guess its a bit too simplistic for you to comprehend.  Obviously Santorum being a very close ally with Bush in a state which Bush is strongly disliked hurt him.  Santorum has always been quite conservative, though he has become more conservative over the last few years.  he wasn't always viewed as being in the far right of the party, but now he is, in part due to his close relationship with Bush who is also viewed among the far right.

Actually, he was very much viewed as a far right winger in 1994 and that was a main reason as to why Wofford still had a shot.

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So he could go from being seen as a standard conservative to a far right winger but can't reverse this over four years. Thanks, Smash.

Let's not overlook the fact that the Democrats put up a candidate with the name ID of his father, a man the state practically reveres as a god.  Plus I appreciate the irony of the Dems having to run a pro-life, pro-gun Democrat against a man they consider to be a socially backwards barbarian.

Having said that, I think Santorum got too national for Pennsylvania, and they didn't want that. The stories about his residence in Virginia didn't help him.  Casey was a hometown boy, I think they liked that.

[Smash255]

I guess its a bit too simplistic for you to comprehend.  Obviously Santorum being a very close ally with Bush in a state which Bush is strongly disliked hurt him.  Santorum has always been quite conservative, though he has become more conservative over the last few years.  he wasn't always viewed as being in the far right of the party, but now he is, in part due to his close relationship with Bush who is also viewed among the far right.

Actually, he was very much viewed as a far right winger in 1994 and that was a main reason as to why Wofford still had a shot.

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So he could go from being seen as a standard conservative to a far right winger but can't reverse this over four years. Thanks, Smash.

Its easier to fall into quicksand then get out of it.

[Keystone Phil]

I guess its a bit too simplistic for you to comprehend.  Obviously Santorum being a very close ally with Bush in a state which Bush is strongly disliked hurt him.  Santorum has always been quite conservative, though he has become more conservative over the last few years.  he wasn't always viewed as being in the far right of the party, but now he is, in part due to his close relationship with Bush who is also viewed among the far right.

Actually, he was very much viewed as a far right winger in 1994 and that was a main reason as to why Wofford still had a shot.

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So he could go from being seen as a standard conservative to a far right winger but can't reverse this over four years. Thanks, Smash.

Its easier to fall into quicksand then get out of it.

Sorry, Smash, but in politics we need to have a little more meaning behind what we're saying if we want to be taken seriously. I get your point but four years is quite some time to "get out of the quick sand."

[Smash255]

I guess its a bit too simplistic for you to comprehend.  Obviously Santorum being a very close ally with Bush in a state which Bush is strongly disliked hurt him.  Santorum has always been quite conservative, though he has become more conservative over the last few years.  he wasn't always viewed as being in the far right of the party, but now he is, in part due to his close relationship with Bush who is also viewed among the far right.

Actually, he was very much viewed as a far right winger in 1994 and that was a main reason as to why Wofford still had a shot.

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So he could go from being seen as a standard conservative to a far right winger but can't reverse this over four years. Thanks, Smash.

Its easier to fall into quicksand then get out of it.

Sorry, Smash, but in politics we need to have a little more meaning behind what we're saying if we want to be taken seriously. I get your point but four years is quite some time to "get out of the quick sand."

Its much easier to get into political trouble than get out of political trouble no matter how much time you have, especially when you are someone that is very well known..

In order for Santorum to have any statewide political future he needs to reverse course among moderates.  He has positioned himself in such a hole among moderates that it will be virtually impossible for him to dig himself out.