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RBH
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« on: November 18, 2006, 06:11:33 PM »

Edwards/Cheney in 2004
Lieberman/Cheney in 2000
Gore/Kemp/Choate in 1996
Gore/Quayle/Stockdale in 1992
Bentsen/Quayle in 1988
Ferraro/Bush in 1984
Mondale/Bush/Lucey in 1980
Mondale/Dole in 1976
Shriver/Agnew in 1972
Muskie/Agnew/LeMay in 1968
Humphrey/Miller in 1964
Johnson/Lodge in 1960

which matchups would be the closest and which would be the farthest from the Presidential results?
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« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2006, 06:18:53 PM »

Bentsen would have beaten Quayle by double digits, and Bush would have still buried Dukakis, so that would probably produce the widest gap between presidential and vp results.

Lieberman would have beaten Cheney; Edwards probably would have too.
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« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2006, 06:29:03 PM »

VP's would be selected differently.  No way the Repubs would have selected Quayle or Cheney.
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« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2006, 06:45:54 PM »

VP's would be selected differently.  No way the Repubs would have selected Quayle or Cheney.

This would probably mean separate primaries for vice presidential candidates...?

Or would it be too far-fetched that the candidate who finishes second in the presidential primary becomes the vice presidential nominee? Bush/McCain vs. Gore/Bradley 2000. Wink
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« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2006, 08:20:59 PM »
« Edited: November 18, 2006, 08:38:00 PM by Gully Foyle »

Somehow if Agnew managed to beat Shriver in a vice-presidential race I would have already lost all faith in Humanity.

And Shriver would have become President half way through Nixon's term.

Actually I think most of these would be easy on who would win:
2004: Edwards (easily)
2000: Ackkk, Lieberman
1996: This would be close, errr Gore
1992: Stockdale
1988: Bentsen (easily)
1984: Bush (easily)
1980: Bush
1976: Dole
1972: Shriver
1968: Muskie (easily)
1964: Who is Bill Miller? Humphrey
1960: Lodge

Past 1960:
1956: Kefauver
1952: Nixon
1948: Warren
1944: Truman
1940: Bricker
1936: Knox
1932: Curtis
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« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2006, 08:29:05 PM »

Somehow if Agnew managed to beat Shriver in a vice-presidential race I would have already lost all faith in Humanity.

And Shriver would have become President half way through Nixon's term.

I think that depends on whether Shriver would have run completely on his own accord or still would have been associated with the ill-fated McGovern campaign. In the case of the former, yeah, surefire victory, but with a latter scenario...

Anywho, IMHO:

2004 - Edwards
2000 - Lieberman
1996 - Gore
1992 - Gore
1988 - Bentsen
1984 - Bush
1980 - Bush
1976 - Mondale
1972 - Agnew
1968 - Muskie
1964 - Humphrey
1960 - Lodge
1956 - Nixon
1952 - Nixon
1948 - Warren
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« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2006, 07:02:39 PM »

1948 - Warren
1952 - (Yuck) Nixon, because Sparkman was a rascist
1956 - Keafauver
1960 - Lodge
1964 - Humphrey
1968 - Muskie
1972 - Shriver over Snow Miser (For those that remember the Year Without a Santa Claus, Heat Miser was Nixon, Snow Miser was Agnew)
1976 - Mondale
1980 - Mondale
1984 - Ferraro
1988 - Bentsen... Who would destroy Quayle
1992 - Gore
1996 - Gore
2000 - Lieberman
2004 - Edwards
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« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2006, 11:21:32 PM »

1952 - (Yuck) Nixon, because Sparkman was a rascist

I didn't know that.  He was?  Why would Stevenson have picked Sparkman then?  Wasn't Stevenson for integration?
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« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2006, 12:12:01 AM »

If we removed the 12th Amendment the runner-up in the Electoral College would be VP.
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« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2006, 01:36:11 PM »

1952 - (Yuck) Nixon, because Sparkman was a rascist

I didn't know that.  He was?  Why would Stevenson have picked Sparkman then?  Wasn't Stevenson for integration?

Sparkman was from Alabama, and was very much against intergration (Like most Southern politicians... He wasn't uncommon, and he wasn't as openly against it as alot of others were, but fact of the matter, he was).

Stevenson, who favored integration picked John Sparkman to provide balance to the ticket, and to keep southern votes.

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« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2006, 03:43:53 PM »

Edwards in 2004
Lieberman in 2000
Gore in 1996
Gore in 1992
Bentsen in 1988
Bush in 1984
Bush in 1980
Dole in 1976
Agnew in 1972
Agnew in 1968
Humphrey in 1964
Johnson in 1960
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« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2006, 09:46:10 AM »

Edwards in 2004
Lieberman in 2000
Gore in 1996
Gore in 1992
Bentsen in 1988
Ferraro in 1984
Mondale in 1980
Mondale in 1976
Shriver in 1972
Muskie in 1968
Humphrey in 1964
Johnson in 1960

You honestly believe that Ferraro and Mondale both could have beaten Bush Sn? Noting that you picked the Democratic option in every race...I will chalk this up to some sort of joke.
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« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2006, 12:34:57 PM »

2004: Edwards
2000: Lieberman
1996: Gore
1992: Gore
1988: Bentsen
1984: Bush
1980: Bush
1976: Dole
1972: Shriver
1968: Muskie
1964: Humphrey
1960: Johnson
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« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2006, 01:56:00 PM »

Though it is a given if the Veep was elected separately different running-mates would have been selected. However, I shall now wager a guess at who would win the Vice-Presidency from 1928 to 2004.

1928: Curtis vs. Robinson would end in a victory for Senator Robinson. Unlike Smith, Robinson could win the entire South and most likely the industrial North. Curtis (a Native-American) was simply too polarizing a figure to win a national election due to his near draconian senate rules (and he had the charisma of Calvin Coolidge Tongue )

1932: Curtis vs. Garner would leave Curtis another casualty of the depression.

1936: Garner vs. Knox would have been a humorous contest. Knox, an extremely anti-New Deal editor, would have ripped into Garner constantly with Garner most likely responding  with obscenity. Without Landon’s  “Me-Too”ism Knox does better than winning Maine and Vermont, but still loses by a wide margin to Garner.

1940: Wallace vs. McNary would have been an easy victory for McNary as Wallace was just viewed as odd by most Americans. Wallace was a nice enough fellow and a true idealist, but when you start  to ask advice from a Maharaja faith healer like Wallace did during the 1940 Campaign, middle America may view you as insane.

1944: Truman vs. Bricker would be a great campaign. Both men were true public servants and both cared deeply about the issues. Being a time of war, Americans would have probably rejected the isolationism of Bricker and chose Truman out of respect for FDR.

1948: Barkley vs. Warren would have been another interesting race with two good candidates, but Barkley’s southern roots (which were a hindrance in the late 1940’s)  would have done him in, as would his age.

1952: Sparkman vs. Nixon would be a Sparkman victory as Nixon was seen as too polarizing a figure in 1952. He was seen until 1956 as the “scrappy fighter” who brought down Alger Hiss (a liberal favorite) and dividing the nation with a reference to his dog.

1956: Nixon vs. Kefauver is a Nixon win based on how by 1956 the GOP had carted out the “New Nixon” who was less aggressive. The charade worked in 1956 as Stevenson’s pathetic “Do you want a President Nixon?” campaign blew up in his face and left him with nothing but a hole in his shoe.

1960: Lodge vs. Johnson is a landslide for Johnson since Lodge (only on the ticket due to the Treaty of 42nd Street) never campaigned and didn’t want the job.

1964: Humphrey vs. Miller is a Humphrey win, but fairly narrow, as Miller (unlike Goldwater) had fine relations with the press. Bill Miller would have made an excellent Vice-President.

1968: Muskie vs. Agnew vs. LeMay is a huge Muskie win because Agnew actually was a hindrance to Nixon. Humphrey's campaign probably won a million votes just by pointing our Agnew’s lack of experience compared to Muskie’s years of government service. Muskie is another man who would have made an outstanding  Vice-President, and probably a good President. LeMay is a gem as he threatens to blow up New York City for being a “Communist stronghold”.

1972: Agnew vs. Shriver is an Agnew win as Shriver would have been brought down due to the God awful campaign of George S. McGovern and the Eagleton Affair.

1976: Dole vs. Mondale is a Mondale win because Dole was simply too mean in 1976 and alienated too many women voters and independents. Mondale was always a nice guy and a good natured fellow who made an outstanding Vice-President.

1980: Bush vs. Mondale would be a Bush win as Mondale is brought down in the anti-Democrat tidal wave of 1980.
1984: Bush vs. Ferarro is a win for the Reagan Revolution and a victory over Ferarro’s shady past.

1988: Quayle vs. Bentsen  is a big Bentsen win as the Democrats were able to play on voter’s fears of a President Quayle. Bentsen would then be the Democratic heir apparent in 1992.

1992: Quayle vs. Gore vs. Stockdale is a win for Senator Gore. When watching the Vice-Presidential debate Gore appeared more professional than Quayle and Stockdale simply appeased lost.

1996: Gore vs. Kemp is a win for Gore by a very narrow margin. Kemp was unable to really deliver at the debates and was always seen as a relic of the 1980’s. Dole-Kemp seems like a ticket for 1988.

2000: Cheney vs. Lieberman, I can feel the electricity in the air! Seriously, Lieberman would most likely have scraped out a narrow win (but Art Oliver the Libertarian would take close to 20% of the vote just because some voters would probably want a candidate who simulated life).

2004: Cheney vs. Edwards is a Cheney win due to Cheney’s superior experience and debating skill. The War on Terror gives Cheney a narrow win, but Edwards gets the consolation prize: hair gel.
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« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2006, 06:02:56 PM »

04-Edwards
00-Cheney
96-Kemp
92-Gore
88-Bentson
84-Bush
80-Bush
76-Mondale
72-Agnew
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