Tancredo insults Jeb Bush, the city of Miami

[Colin]

Go Tom Go!

Although I have to say the Mecca comment was much better

They really shouldn't let you out of school this early.

Well the short bus was a little early today.

[Democratic Hawk]

Why on Earth don't voters give this dude the same degree of disdain as, say, Lyndon LaRouche by not electing him?

It's only a matter of time before the word Tancredo is used to refer to institutions for the seriously mentally deranged

Dave

[Ebowed]

What did I say imply I'm not an independent?  Being a non-Tancredo fan, I think my comment was quite objective.

No, a United States Representative compared a city in which more than a million people live to a third-world country.  This is offensive both to the residents of the city and to all Americans who aren't nationalistic blowhards.  Apologizing after saying something stupid is standard practice.  I seem to recall you were giving John Kerry quite a hard time for botching a joke about the troops, but here we have a politician making a hateful comment and you think it's "objective" for you, the alleged non-Tancredo fan, to say that he doesn't need to apologize.

I'm just calling BS when I see it.  Tancredo proves himself to be a moron yet again, and it's hardly surprising that you are defending him.

[MODU]

I'm just calling BS when I see it.  Tancredo proves himself to be a moron yet again, and it's hardly surprising that you are defending him.

I'm not defending him.  Go back to what I said.  I said that what he said was stupid, but not that he needs to apologize.  If I was defending him, I would have said something like "He's only saying the truth.  Miami is highly hispanic (over 60% according to the US censuc), over 50% of all residents foreign born, 67% speaking something other than English at home, 19% under the poverty level, etc . . ."

[HardRCafé]

So who's worse Jean-Marie Le Pen or Tom Tancredo?

Jean-Marie Le Pen.

Want to go ahead and add Hitler?

[Colin]

So who's worse Jean-Marie Le Pen or Tom Tancredo?

Jean-Marie Le Pen.

Want to go ahead and add Hitler?

Well if you think that Jean-Marie Le Pen is Hitler than you're the one who's being idiotic. Tancredo shares a lot in common with various anti-immigration populists in Europe, Le Pen being one. I don't see a whole slew of differance between Tancredo, Le Pen, Haider, the Progress Party of Norway and Vlaams Belang.

[Ebowed]

I'm not defending him.  Go back to what I said.  I said that what he said was stupid, but not that he needs to apologize.  If I was defending him, I would have said something like "He's only saying the truth.  Miami is highly hispanic (over 60% according to the US censuc), over 50% of all residents foreign born, 67% speaking something other than English at home, 19% under the poverty level, etc . . ."

OK, sure, if you want to be technical about it, you weren't explicitly defending his comments.  Just that he doesn't need to apologize.

But apparently John Kerry did, for making a botched joke that had no effect on anything whatsoever despite the hopeful predictions of certain conservatives.  The difference here is that John Kerry actually did apologize.

Those statistics you cite wouldn't make it a third-world country anyway, unless one of the criteria for such a classification is not speaking English.  Tancredo's statement had no basis in fact, and it's insulting and demeaning.

[Smash255]

I think Colin summed it up best in another thread on this sack of crap.

Human trash, scum of the earth, complete dolt, and, of course, horrible person.

[MaC]

But he's one of the few economic conservatives left in Congress!!!1111

Why do you mock?

Better yet-what the heck do you stand for?  You'll denounce almost everyone but I've yet to see you come up with some solid opinions or candidate choices.  Cynicism is the easiest form of philosophy.

[Deano963]

What did I say imply I'm not an independent?  Being a non-Tancredo fan, I think my comment was quite objective.

But he still didn't say that Miami is a "foreign country," unless you consider all foreign countries to be third world ones.

True, not all foreign countries are third-world countires, but all third-world countries are foreign countries. Therefore it's not a stretch to conclude that Tancredo was calling out Miami b/c of it's large Spanish population b/c of his statement and b/c....well....it's Tom freakin' Tancredo!

[memphis]

A lot of American cities look like third world countries. I haven't ever been to Miami. Is it really ghetto?

[HardRCafé]

Well if you think that Jean-Marie Le Pen is Hitler than you're the one who's being idiotic. Tancredo shares a lot in common with various anti-immigration populists in Europe, Le Pen being one. I don't see a whole slew of differance between Tancredo, Le Pen, Haider, the Progress Party of Norway and Vlaams Belang.

Fine, Tom Tancredo equals Pim Fortuyn.  And it's "difference."

[??????????]

Miami IS a total dump and is like a foreign country. Anyone whos' actually been there knows that. Everyone around here calls it "Little Havana" and that's actually a pretty common name for Miami both in the media and in the local colloquial. Ever read the local papers from Miami? Last week they had 4 drive-bys in one night killing 5 HS aged students. Miami also has one of the highest stolen car rates in the country. It's pretty dangerous overall, I'd recommend avoiding it at all costs.

Tom Tancredo was completely accurate in his description of Miami. Good for him.

[??????????]

A lot of American cities look like third world countries. I haven't ever been to Miami. Is it really ghetto?

Yes, it's terrible. Believe me.

[opebo]

Miami ... is like a foreign country.

This is a good thing.

[Colin]

Well if you think that Jean-Marie Le Pen is Hitler than you're the one who's being idiotic. Tancredo shares a lot in common with various anti-immigration populists in Europe, Le Pen being one. I don't see a whole slew of differance between Tancredo, Le Pen, Haider, the Progress Party of Norway and Vlaams Belang.

Fine, Tom Tancredo equals Pim Fortuyn.

Please don't dishonor Pim Fortuyn's good name by associating Tom Tancredo with him. The man was a European liberal who wanted to defend liberalism by curbing the illiberalism that he saw apparent within the Dutch Muslim community. Tom Tancredo seems to have no arguement as why immigration is bad beyond the typical staple, often wrong, of "they take our jobs" or possibly he doesn't like brown people. I really don't know his reasons but Pim Fortuyn had a reason and was defending pluralism and liberal democracy from people whom he believed would destroy it. Lest we forget that he, as a homosexual, would have been one of the first to lose if that pluralism and respect for differences was taken away.

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Thank you. I never was a star speller.

[Ebowed]

I think it's fairly safe to conclude that Tancredo does indeed hate a brown, which would explain his fetish for curbing immigration.

[Colin]

I think it's fairly safe to conclude that Tancredo does indeed hate a brown, which would explain his fetish for curbing immigration.

I guess he likes orange people though, since he is one.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I think it's fairly safe to conclude that Tancredo does indeed hate a brown, which would explain his fetish for curbing immigration.

I guess he likes orange people though, since he is one.

Heh. It's amazing how many racists have fake tans and the like.

[DownWithTheLeft]

Why do liberals accuse the man of being a racist because he wants to enforce our countries laws and wants to end low standards of living.  Do conservatives call liberals racists for wanting Mexicans to be able to jump the border while others wait for visas?  That's sounds like racist to me

[Alcon]

Why do liberals accuse the man of being a racist because he wants to enforce our countries laws and wants to end low standards of living.  Do conservatives call liberals racists for wanting Mexicans to be able to jump the border while others wait for visas?  That's sounds like racist to me

That may be bad policy, but how is it racist?  Not that it isn't a huge strawman of the prevailing Democratic policy.

[DownWithTheLeft]

Why do liberals accuse the man of being a racist because he wants to enforce our countries laws and wants to end low standards of living.  Do conservatives call liberals racists for wanting Mexicans to be able to jump the border while others wait for visas?  That's sounds like racist to me

That may be bad policy, but how is it racist?  Not that it isn't a huge strawman of the prevailing Democratic policy.

I'm trying to say it just as racist as Republicans opposing illegal immigration, but neither is really racist

[Gabu]

To everyone involved: "Mexican" is not a race.  It is therefore impossible for someone to be racist on account of hating Mexicans.  Please stop abusing the word.

Thank you,
The English Nazi

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

Mexicans aren't a race, DWDL. There's white mexicans, native mexicans, mixed mexicans(the majority), black mexicans...

[DownWithTheLeft]

Mexicans aren't a race, DWDL. There's white mexicans, native mexicans, mixed mexicans(the majority), black mexicans...

Ok, so basically your saying it is impossible for racist in illegal immigration which only furthers my point