What States Could Hillary Clinton Possibly Win That Kerry Failed to Win?
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« on: December 03, 2006, 07:47:55 PM »

Maybe OH or FL? Seriously...I just don't see her winning under most every scenario.
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« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2006, 07:54:43 PM »

In addition to those two, moreso OH than FL, she'd have a decent chance at NV, IA, and AR. She'd have some chance in CO and MO, as well.
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« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2006, 08:00:46 PM »

Depends who she is up against... but she could have a shot in Florida, New Mexico, Iowa, etc.
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« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2006, 08:01:43 PM »

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« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2006, 08:44:52 PM »

Probably none.
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« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2006, 08:53:16 PM »

Depends on her running mate. If its Vilsack, Richardson, Bayh, or Warner, there's a possibility that their respective states could vote Democrat (although that's less likely with Indiana and Virginia).

Could she retain all the Kerry states? Probably. Could she make a big gain (i.e. Florida or Ohio)? Probably not.
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« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2006, 08:55:28 PM »



Could she retain all the Kerry states? Probably.

That depends on her opponent. I could see states like Wisconsin and Minnesota going to the GOP with McCain.
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« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2006, 08:59:17 PM »

Iowa would be the most likely, and that's a longshot. It would be extremely difficult for Hillary to defeat a competent GOP nominee, and she might struggle just to defend the Kerry states.
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« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2006, 09:03:30 PM »

The question is whether she'll be able to reach 200 EV's, and the answer is probably not I have McCain winning 360-178, and I'm sure some others could do almost as good
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« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2006, 10:46:42 PM »

I don't see any way she can beat even a halfway competent Republican nominee. McCain would beat her in a landslide and probably get close to 400 EVs. Only the hardcore Democratic states would vote for Hillary.
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« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2006, 11:15:26 PM »

Only the hardcore Democratic states would vote for Hillary.

Why would anyone who voted for Kerry not vote for Hillary.  Kerry is by far the more liberal and less likeable of the two (not that I dislike Kerry of course).

The only Kerry states Hillary would have to play much defense in are WI and OR, and maybe PA.  She should probably win AR (unless the GOP nominates Huckabee) and make a play on FL and/or OH.

Hillary's chances are vastly underrated, and hopefully that'll help her in the end.
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« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2006, 11:50:42 PM »
« Edited: December 03, 2006, 11:53:23 PM by auburntiger »

Only the hardcore Democratic states would vote for Hillary.

Why would anyone who voted for Kerry not vote for Hillary.  Kerry is by far the more liberal and less likeable of the two (not that I dislike Kerry of course).

The only Kerry states Hillary would have to play much defense in are WI and OR, and maybe PA.  She should probably win AR (unless the GOP nominates Huckabee) and make a play on FL and/or OH.

Hillary's chances are vastly underrated, and hopefully that'll help her in the end.

It's b/c Kerry was not Bush. The only reason Kerry won states like WI, PA, MI was due to the anti-Bush sentiment. If 2004 was a year like 2002, or if 9/11/01 had been 9/11/03, I think Bush would have beaten Kerry in PA, MI, WI, NH, and maybe MN or OR, but that's the best I think any GOP nominee could do.

However, we cannot change history, so all this is moot

Also, I think MI could be surprisngly close against Hillary, a very possibly GOP pickup with McCain
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« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2006, 11:58:54 PM »
« Edited: December 04, 2006, 12:02:21 AM by Gov. PolNut »

This is what I think the present base for each is.



183 Each - with 172 in Toss Up.
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« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2006, 09:30:30 AM »

This is what I think the present base for each is.



183 Each - with 172 in Toss Up.

I think that's probably right, but I'd add Arizona too.
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« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2006, 10:13:43 AM »

I think AZ is a tricky one to work out.
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« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2006, 10:45:38 AM »


I might add states like W.Va and Maine to the list.  And keep in mind that with the right candidates, even some of the "safe" states could come into play. 
This is what I think the present base for each is.



183 Each - with 172 in Toss Up.

I think that's probably right, but I'd add Arizona too.
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« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2006, 04:13:16 PM »

I dunno...I just can't see the junior senator from New York winning the general election in most scenarios.  That said, I think there's an outside chance she could carry all the Kerry states and pick up OH, if the national mood remains the same in two years.  But that's a big "if."  I just can't see Clinton picking up states like AR, AZ, IA, MO....

She would have no margin for error, like Gore and Kerry, and with her polarizing effect among the electorate, she would really have to thread the needle.
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