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« on: December 09, 2006, 05:23:11 AM »

Hurray for the right to trade with who we want. Hopefully this'll help bring Vietnam out of the horrible poverty they're in and help us keep inflation low.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6163889.stm

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« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2006, 02:29:58 PM »

Good move. Expand free trade to the third world.
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« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2006, 02:33:06 PM »

Lou Dobbs won't be happy with this.

Good.
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« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2006, 02:54:35 PM »

Free trade sucks. Fock outsourcing, fock globalism, fock free trade and fock the washington consensus idea of economics!
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« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2006, 03:10:45 PM »

Free trade sucks. Fock outsourcing, fock globalism, fock free trade and fock the washington consensus idea of economics!
Lucid argument.
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« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2006, 04:01:15 PM »

Free trade sucks. Fock outsourcing, fock globalism, fock free trade and fock the washington consensus idea of economics!
Lucid argument.
What? Unrestricted globalization focks over economies. IF it wasn't for China/India opening up Mexico would probably be first world now.
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« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2006, 06:34:26 PM »

I hope we end the embargo on Cuba next.
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« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2006, 07:34:11 PM »

I hope we end the embargo on Cuba next.

Not going to happen until both Castros die.  Then we can put a USA tool in power, modernize it and turn it into a tourist hotbed.  Raul has expressed interest in opening up ties with the west but there's no way a president of either party (especially a Republican) does that as it would piss the Cubans in Florida off.
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« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2006, 07:57:02 PM »

I hope we end the embargo on Cuba next.

Not going to happen until both Castros die.  Then we can put a USA tool in power, modernize it and turn it into a tourist hotbed.  Raul has expressed interest in opening up ties with the west but there's no way a president of either party (especially a Republican) does that as it would piss the Cubans in Florida off.

Sadly, I totally agree (with both quotes).

Isolating certain countries has been detrimental to the countries involved; Cuba, like China and Vietnam, gave up 'communism' a long time ago.
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« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2006, 08:21:22 PM »

Free trade sucks. Fock outsourcing, fock globalism, fock free trade and fock the washington consensus idea of economics!
Lucid argument.
What? Unrestricted globalization focks over economies. IF it wasn't for China/India opening up Mexico would probably be first world now.
Instead, hundreds of millions of Indian and Chinese people are no longer living lives of abject poverty, with hundreds of millions more who'll soon follow.

Is it some moral imperative of the USA to make sure that Mexico is richer than China and India?
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« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2006, 10:46:42 PM »

Free trade sucks. Fock outsourcing, fock globalism, fock free trade and fock the washington consensus idea of economics!
Lucid argument.
What? Unrestricted globalization focks over economies. IF it wasn't for China/India opening up Mexico would probably be first world now.
Instead, hundreds of millions of Indian and Chinese people are no longer living lives of abject poverty, with hundreds of millions more who'll soon follow.

Is it some moral imperative of the USA to make sure that Mexico is richer than China and India?
No but I would rather have a nation bordering us more stable than nations which could become potential threats.
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« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2006, 10:48:06 PM »

I'm not opposed to trade with Vietnam but I oppose free trade with Vietnam without a commmitment on their part to liberalise politically

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« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2006, 10:55:10 PM »

Lou Dobbs won't be happy with this.

Good.

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« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2006, 01:33:32 AM »

Free trade sucks. Fock outsourcing, fock globalism, fock free trade and fock the washington consensus idea of economics!
Lucid argument.
What? Unrestricted globalization focks over economies. IF it wasn't for China/India opening up Mexico would probably be first world now.
Instead, hundreds of millions of Indian and Chinese people are no longer living lives of abject poverty, with hundreds of millions more who'll soon follow.

Is it some moral imperative of the USA to make sure that Mexico is richer than China and India?
No but I would rather have a nation bordering us more stable than nations which could become potential threats.
India could become our most powerful and important ally in the world. And it's not as if the U.S. had cut off trade with China and India that they wouldn't be on the rise to power.
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« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2006, 02:13:33 AM »

Free trade sucks. Fock outsourcing, fock globalism, fock free trade and fock the washington consensus idea of economics!
Lucid argument.
What? Unrestricted globalization focks over economies. IF it wasn't for China/India opening up Mexico would probably be first world now.
Instead, hundreds of millions of Indian and Chinese people are no longer living lives of abject poverty, with hundreds of millions more who'll soon follow.

Is it some moral imperative of the USA to make sure that Mexico is richer than China and India?
No but I would rather have a nation bordering us more stable than nations which could become potential threats.
India could become our most powerful and important ally in the world. And it's not as if the U.S. had cut off trade with China and India that they wouldn't be on the rise to power.
Without outsourcing neither naiton would have an economy that actually involves something besides subsitence farming so your point is invalid.
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« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2006, 02:19:32 AM »

Free trade sucks. Fock outsourcing, fock globalism, fock free trade and fock the washington consensus idea of economics!
Lucid argument.
What? Unrestricted globalization focks over economies. IF it wasn't for China/India opening up Mexico would probably be first world now.

Mexico will usher Latin America into the first world biotch.
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« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2006, 04:10:48 AM »

Free trade sucks. Fock outsourcing, fock globalism, fock free trade and fock the washington consensus idea of economics!
Lucid argument.
What? Unrestricted globalization focks over economies. IF it wasn't for China/India opening up Mexico would probably be first world now.
Instead, hundreds of millions of Indian and Chinese people are no longer living lives of abject poverty, with hundreds of millions more who'll soon follow.

Is it some moral imperative of the USA to make sure that Mexico is richer than China and India?
No but I would rather have a nation bordering us more stable than nations which could become potential threats.
India could become our most powerful and important ally in the world. And it's not as if the U.S. had cut off trade with China and India that they wouldn't be on the rise to power.
Without outsourcing neither naiton would have an economy that actually involves something besides subsitence farming so your point is invalid.
"Outsourcing" isn't something that can be stopped. Businesses will always set up operations in countries where labor is cheap, there's nothing the U.S. govenrment can do to stop an individual from building a factory in another country. If the U.S. government decided to not allow goods from these other countries into the U.S., they would simply sell them to Japan and Western Europe instead.
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« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2006, 02:45:25 PM »

If the CIA shoots enough business leaders they could be "convinced" to drop outsourcing. Outsourcing only happens because the US allows free trade.
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« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2006, 08:58:36 PM »

If the CIA shoots enough business leaders they could be "convinced" to drop outsourcing. Outsourcing only happens because the US allows free trade.
No, I think if that happened the U.S. government would go on trial at the Hague.

Outsourcing happens because businessmen and businesses aren't chained by the U.S. government here. They can go do business anywhere where they're allowed. Do you value Liberty at all? Do you want our government to nationalize all industry to make sure every job that was ever here stays here? Have you ever noticed how horribly that plan fails every time its attempted in any country?

Sounds like you'd really be at home in the USSR.
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« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2006, 10:35:57 PM »

If the CIA shoots enough business leaders they could be "convinced" to drop outsourcing. Outsourcing only happens because the US allows free trade.
No, I think if that happened the U.S. government would go on trial at the Hague.

Outsourcing happens because businessmen and businesses aren't chained by the U.S. government here. They can go do business anywhere where they're allowed. Do you value Liberty at all? Do you want our government to nationalize all industry to make sure every job that was ever here stays here? Have you ever noticed how horribly that plan fails every time its attempted in any country?

Sounds like you'd really be at home in the USSR.
Not the SSSR. Pre-1980 America. Basically I want the new deal and great society back.
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« Reply #20 on: December 11, 2006, 10:59:47 PM »

If the CIA shoots enough business leaders they could be "convinced" to drop outsourcing. Outsourcing only happens because the US allows free trade.
No, I think if that happened the U.S. government would go on trial at the Hague.

Outsourcing happens because businessmen and businesses aren't chained by the U.S. government here. They can go do business anywhere where they're allowed. Do you value Liberty at all? Do you want our government to nationalize all industry to make sure every job that was ever here stays here? Have you ever noticed how horribly that plan fails every time its attempted in any country?

Sounds like you'd really be at home in the USSR.
Not the SSSR. Pre-1980 America. Basically I want the new deal and great society back.
Welcome to the post Cold War world.
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« Reply #21 on: December 12, 2006, 02:17:00 AM »

you can take your globalization and shove it. Screw the WTO.
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