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« Reply #1450 on: February 05, 2008, 07:36:46 PM »

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« Reply #1451 on: February 05, 2008, 07:47:53 PM »

Sell Obama/buy Clinton. As if that advice was needed.
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« Reply #1452 on: February 05, 2008, 09:30:24 PM »

Now, buy Obama.
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« Reply #1453 on: February 05, 2008, 09:39:21 PM »

Quick... buy Gravel!
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« Reply #1454 on: February 05, 2008, 10:17:42 PM »

Huge surge for Obama in Dem. nomination market:

Obama 60.2
Clinton 38.0


And, of course, it's all gone now.

Clinton 58.9
Obama 40.0

I'd like to thank the Obama folks for making it possible to pick up some more Clinton on the cheap tonight.
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« Reply #1455 on: February 05, 2008, 10:19:31 PM »

I can't even log on to Intrade right now.  too much action
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« Reply #1456 on: February 06, 2008, 12:43:56 AM »

Shouldn't be too much of a surprise, but:

GOP NOMINATION
McCain  95.3 (+8.3)
Romney  3.4 (-5.6)
Huckabee 2.2 (+1.2)

DEM NOMINATION
Clinton 64.0 (+10.0)
Obama 36.0 (-10.0)
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« Reply #1457 on: February 06, 2008, 01:02:17 AM »

Shouldn't be too much of a surprise, but:

GOP NOMINATION
McCain  95.3 (+8.3)
Romney  3.4 (-5.6)
Huckabee 2.2 (+1.2)

DEM NOMINATION
Clinton 64.0 (+10.0)
Obama 36.0 (-10.0)

Clinton may drop, slightly, in the next several days.  If it drops below 60, buy.
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« Reply #1458 on: February 06, 2008, 01:31:35 AM »

Romney has collapsed, and falls behind Huck in GOP nomination market:

McCain 92.5
Huckabee 2.2
Romney 1.7
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« Reply #1459 on: February 06, 2008, 01:41:00 AM »

Obama has rallied in the past hour to 44.0
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« Reply #1460 on: February 06, 2008, 01:54:33 AM »

It's probably the media projections that he'll still win a slight majority of delegates.
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« Reply #1461 on: February 06, 2008, 02:11:33 AM »

Obama once again the favorite, at 54.8.  crazy few hours on the market

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« Reply #1462 on: February 06, 2008, 02:16:23 AM »

A little over-rated; I'd put it at 50-50 at this point.
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« Reply #1463 on: February 06, 2008, 03:05:39 AM »

Pretty even on the Democratic side. McCain has mostly sewn things up on the Republican side.

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Nomination
Clinton 51.0
Obama 49.0
Gore 0.9
Edwards 0.2

All the outstanding states that are traded
New Mexico: Obama leads 50-45
Pennsylvania: Clinton leads 55-30


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Nomination
McCain 93.7
Romney 2.5
Huckabee 2.2
Paul 1.2
Guiliani 1.1
Thompson 1.0
Rice 0.3
Gingrich 0.2
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« Reply #1464 on: February 06, 2008, 03:07:50 AM »

I guess the people on tintrade got a hold of a calendar.
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« Reply #1465 on: February 06, 2008, 01:08:34 PM »

Intrade numbers are now exactly tied at 50.0-50.0 on the Democratic side. Dem brokered convention is up to 28.9.
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« Reply #1466 on: February 06, 2008, 01:14:48 PM »

I still don't understand how a brokered convention is supposed to happen, unless "the nominee is decided by the superdelegates" counts as a brokered convention.  But if a brokered convention means that the nominee isn't chosen on the first ballot, it seems virtually impossible, since (presumably) every delegate at the convention (pledged or unpledged) will vote for either Clinton or Obama, one of them has to win a majority.....unless they actually think that the 25 or so Edwards delegates are going to have to break the deadlock.
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« Reply #1467 on: February 06, 2008, 01:18:49 PM »

I still don't understand how a brokered convention is supposed to happen, unless "the nominee is decided by the superdelegates" counts as a brokered convention.  But if a brokered convention means that the nominee isn't chosen on the first ballot, it seems virtually impossible, since (presumably) every delegate at the convention (pledged or unpledged) will vote for either Clinton or Obama, one of them has to win a majority.....unless they actually think that the 25 or so Edwards delegates are going to have to break the deadlock.


They may be considering that such close numbers mean, at the urging of superdelegates and other party leaders, either Clinton or Obama, or perhaps both, will step aside for a compromise candidate endorsed by the standing-aside candidate's delegates and most of the superdelegates. (Say, for example, the two are tied, but Obama stands aside in favor of Al Gore, and the superdelegates flock from Clinton to Gore. Gore's not a likely choice for this at all, but he's a good example.)
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« Reply #1468 on: February 06, 2008, 01:22:43 PM »

(Say, for example, the two are tied, but Obama stands aside in favor of Al Gore, and the superdelegates flock from Clinton to Gore.)

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« Reply #1469 on: February 06, 2008, 01:36:20 PM »

I still don't understand how a brokered convention is supposed to happen, unless "the nominee is decided by the superdelegates" counts as a brokered convention.  But if a brokered convention means that the nominee isn't chosen on the first ballot, it seems virtually impossible, since (presumably) every delegate at the convention (pledged or unpledged) will vote for either Clinton or Obama, one of them has to win a majority.....unless they actually think that the 25 or so Edwards delegates are going to have to break the deadlock.


They may be considering that such close numbers mean, at the urging of superdelegates and other party leaders, either Clinton or Obama, or perhaps both, will step aside for a compromise candidate endorsed by the standing-aside candidate's delegates and most of the superdelegates. (Say, for example, the two are tied, but Obama stands aside in favor of Al Gore, and the superdelegates flock from Clinton to Gore. Gore's not a likely choice for this at all, but he's a good example.)

I can't imagine that such a thing would happen.  Even if there's an outside chance that it would happen, there's no way the chances of it happening are anywhere near as high as 1 in 4.  I mean, even if the primaries don't resolve things and the attention shifts to the superdelegates, are the superdelegates really going to say "Let's make things even more messy by adding a third candidate into the mix...one who wasn't even on the ballot in any of those primaries we just had in which millions of people thought they were voting for our nominee."
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« Reply #1470 on: February 06, 2008, 03:01:38 PM »

I still don't understand how a brokered convention is supposed to happen, unless "the nominee is decided by the superdelegates" counts as a brokered convention.  But if a brokered convention means that the nominee isn't chosen on the first ballot, it seems virtually impossible, since (presumably) every delegate at the convention (pledged or unpledged) will vote for either Clinton or Obama, one of them has to win a majority.....unless they actually think that the 25 or so Edwards delegates are going to have to break the deadlock.


They may be considering that such close numbers mean, at the urging of superdelegates and other party leaders, either Clinton or Obama, or perhaps both, will step aside for a compromise candidate endorsed by the standing-aside candidate's delegates and most of the superdelegates. (Say, for example, the two are tied, but Obama stands aside in favor of Al Gore, and the superdelegates flock from Clinton to Gore. Gore's not a likely choice for this at all, but he's a good example.)

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« Reply #1471 on: February 06, 2008, 03:09:39 PM »

Yes, exactly.  There's just no way this is going to go beyond the first ballot.  All the delegates will vote for either Clinton or Obama and one of them will win a majority.  And in fact, I would expect that all the superdelegates will declare their allegiance well before the convention, so that the outcome becomes pre-ordained at least a couple of months in advance (otherwise the nominee has only two months to run a GE campaign).

Which means, bet against Dem. brokered convention on Intrade.  It's free money.
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« Reply #1472 on: February 06, 2008, 04:43:59 PM »
« Edited: February 06, 2008, 05:06:22 PM by ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ »

Obama takes a narrow lead.

DEMOCRATS

Nomination
Obama 51.1
Clinton 48.5
Gore 1.0
Edwards 0.2

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Clinton 50
Obama 30


REPUBLICANS

Nomination
McCain 93.5
Romney 2.5
Huckabee 2.1
Paul 1.2
Guiliani 1.1
Thompson 1.0
Rice 0.3
Gingrich 0.2
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« Reply #1473 on: February 06, 2008, 05:00:38 PM »


OMG, Michelle entered the race! Wink
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« Reply #1474 on: February 06, 2008, 05:39:54 PM »

Give it another 1-2 weeks and buy Clinton.
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