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jimrtex
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« on: December 14, 2006, 11:40:42 PM »

If he were unable to serve as Senator, the new majority leader could actually be Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY) instead of Sen. Harry Reid (D-NV).  South Dakota Governor, Mike Rounds, a Republican, would likely appoint a Republican replacement for Johnson, thus bringing the Senate to a 50-50 tie and giving Vice President Dick Cheney the tie-breaker.
South Dakota law is rather odd.

First, it states that if there is a primary or general election within 6 months of a vacancy for a representative or senator, that the election be held concurrently with those elections.  If there is no near term regular election scheduled, then the special election is held with 80 to 90 days of the vacancy.

But then it later states that a election to fill a senate vacancy will be held at the next general election, and that no election be held to replace an appointed Senator whose term ends just after a general election.  So in the case of Johnson, there would be no election since his term ends in 2009.
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« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2006, 11:50:01 PM »

The people of South Dakota chose a Democrat at the last election and it would be subverting their will to replace a Democrat with a Republican.
The last time the people of South Dakota elected a senator, they chose a Republican over a 3-term Democrat incumbent who was at the time Senate minority leader.

Presumably, they chose Johnson as a person rather than as a Democrat.

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There are only 49 members of the US Senate that were elected as Democrats, 49 as Republicans.  In Connecticut, the voters rejected the candidate nominated by the Democrat party.  In Vermont, the Democrats did not even nominate a candidate (the Democrat candidate for Governor was defeated by 15 percent).
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« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2006, 11:56:07 PM »

How about Larry Pressler?
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« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2006, 09:55:26 PM »

I never thought about that one. That would be an intersting one.
Abourezk is still alive as well.
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« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2006, 10:06:21 PM »

There are only 49 members of the US Senate that were elected as Democrats, 49 as Republicans.  In Connecticut, the voters rejected the candidate nominated by the Democrat party.  In Vermont, the Democrats did not even nominate a candidate (the Democrat candidate for Governor was defeated by 15 percent).
The people of Connecticut also rejected the nominee of the Republican Party.  Schlesinger wasn't even able to net more than 10% of the vote!  At least Lamont was within 10 points of Lieberman.  What CT voters DID choose to elect was a self-declared Independent Democrat so essentially they voted for another Democrat.  In Vermont the Democrats DID nominate a candidate and he won the general election, however he declined to accept their nomination.  So again, another Democrat is elected.  To even suggest that the people of CT and VT or the majority of the US didn't want the Democrats in control is absolutely ridiculous.

Furthermore, the Vermont Governors race has absolutely no relevance to the topic at hand whatever the result.  Its like mentioning the Freudenthal (D) landslide in the Wyoming Governor's race in the same sentence as Senator Thomas's (R) win there.  Totally irrelevant.
Did the DSCC send any money to Lieberman?  Did any Democratic senators campaign for Lieberman during the general election?  Did Harry Reid do any joint campaign appearances?

Further, the people of Connecticut elected a Republican governor, knowing that she would appoint a Republican in case Lieberman was appointed Secretary or Defense. 

Similarly, the people of Vermont elected a Republican governor in case that something should happen to Sanders.  If they really wanted to ensure the Democrats held power nationally, they would have elected a Democrat governor.
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« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2006, 03:16:37 AM »

In fact, I think there should be a law common to all states mandating the Governor to make an interim appointment from the party with which the previous incumbent was affiliated. That way the Senate does not change and the will of the electorate stands until such time as they elect a new senator

What can be any fairer than that, I ask?
How would that handle a Senator that had switched parties?

Better would be to require the election to fill a vacancy to be held within 60 days.  Congress clearly has authority to pass such a law under the time, place, manner of elections.
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« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2006, 08:38:19 PM »

Better would be to require the election to fill a vacancy to be held within 60 days.  Congress clearly has authority to pass such a law under the time, place, manner of elections.
Yes and no.  The 17th Amendment didn't just copy the language on vacancies for the House and use it for the Senate.  It added some extra verbiage.
Actually it took the original language from Article I, Section 3, and replaced legislative election with popular election.  The original language includes a provision for appointment by the governor when the legislature was not in session.

It was inconceivable that a legislature would go two years without meeting, and with Congress only meeting a few months per year, the legislature could often elect the replacement the senator who would serve.

The Senate was strict about enforcing the constitutional provisions on vacancies.  If a legislature failed to choose a new senator, the temporary appointee of the governor would end his service at the time the legislature went into recess.  If the legislature was in session at the time of a vacancy, the governor could not appoint a temporary replacement, even if the legislature was unaware of the vacancy.

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The purpose of this language was to prevent Congress from directing where the legislature met, in effect dictating the location of the State capitals.  It illustrates how extensive the powers under the time, (place), manner clause are - Congress can legislate in all matters except one very particular area where they would in effect be legislating something that would grossly interfere with the state government.

The provision is now superfluous, since Congress could probably legislate the location of polling places under the 14th Amendment, or at least keep States from making it difficult to vote.

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The temporary appointment power is liked by the state government because it takes power away from the voters.  Elected government officials are inherently anti-republican.  Their only concern about the expense of an election is what it would do to their campaign expenses.
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