Rep. Nancy Boyda (Traitor-KS)....

[Filuwaúrdjan]

A: She wasn't this pro-war during the election.

So what? Last year the Democrats gained from a large wave in their favour. Won't happen in 2008.
Unless Reps like Boyda modify their stances to fit their districts, they will lose their seats (if not in 2008, then in 2010 and so on).

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Fool. You really did prefer being in the minority, didn't you?

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A: She wasn't this pro-war during the election.

So what? Last year the Democrats gained from a large wave in their favour. Won't happen in 2008.
Unless Reps like Boyda modify their stances to fit their districts, they will lose their seats (if not in 2008, then in 2010 and so on).

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Fool. You really did prefer being in the minority, didn't you?

We don't need her vote. If she wants to be a pawn of the warmongers, we can ensure that she is a one termer.

The surge has 11% nationwide, so she's far more warmongering than her district. Democrats not having a spine, and joining that 11% is the best way to have Democrats lose. You really don't have a clue, do you?

[RBH]

Isn't the "Surge" polling around 15% popularity-wise?

So, how exactly does it help to be taking a stance on an issue that is as popular as banning all abortions?

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Isn't the "Surge" polling around 15% popularity-wise?

So, how exactly does it help to be taking a stance on an issue that is as popular as banning all abortions?

11% of Americans

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Isn't the "Surge" polling around 15% popularity-wise?

Probably something like that.

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I don't know, but I would guess it's more part of an attempt to distance herself from any possible perception of being a (gasp!) liberal, than anything else.
My point here isn't so much as to defend her position (which I happen to disagree with) or even whether it's a clever position to be seen to be taking, but to argue that when a party has a fairly small majority, a lot of leeway has to be given to members who hold marginal seats to toe a somewhat different line on certain issues to the rest of the party, especially if they think it will (in some way) help them to get re-elected.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

We don't need her vote. If she wants to be a pawn of the warmongers, we can ensure that she is a one termer.

You might not need her vote, but what's to say you won't take exactly the same line the next time a Democratic Rep in a marginal district says something that you don't like?

The point you edited in has been answered elsewhere, btw.

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Isn't the "Surge" polling around 15% popularity-wise?

Probably something like that.

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I don't know, but I would guess it's more part of an attempt to distance herself from any possible perception of being a (gasp!) liberal, than anything else.
My point here isn't so much as to defend her position (which I happen to disagree with) or even whether it's a clever position to be seen to be taking, but to argue that when a party has a fairly small majority, a lot of leeway has to be given to members who hold marginal seats to toe a somewhat different line on certain issues to the rest of the party, especially if they think it will (in some way) help them to get re-elected.

So she has to join the most insane 11% of the population just to not be labeled a liberal? That does not make her more electable. She might be stupid and think it will, but face it, we had a Planned Parenthood director defeat an incumbent in Kentucky. People like people who have clear core beliefs. I was talking to a swing voter yesterday who said that was the main problem he had with Hillary.

"Fairly small majority"? What total right-wing propaganda BS. The Democrats have more seats than the Republicans have had in every Congress since the do nothing Congress of 1948, except that there were a whole 3 more Republicans in the 1997-1998 Congress.

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We don't need her vote. If she wants to be a pawn of the warmongers, we can ensure that she is a one termer.

You might not need her vote, but what's to say you won't take exactly the same line the next time a Democratic Rep in a marginal district says something that you don't like?

The point you edited in has been answered elsewhere, btw.

There's a big difference between someone saying something I don't like. and them undercutting their party by joining the most extreme 11%. Kerry was saying sh**t I didn't like all the time in the 2004 election, and I still gave him money, volunteered for him, and voted for him. You truly don't have a clue.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

So she has to join the most insane 11% of the population just to not be labeled a liberal?

I'm not Nancy Boyda so I don't know do I?

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Yes, but that was in Louisville you know. And it's not as though people voted for him because of that... he won (and I'm pleased that he won, btw) because he's well-known in the area and because of the national swing.

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The Democrats have about 31 seats more than the Republicans, right? To me that's a fairly small, but not unworkable and not tiny, majority.

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So what? I always said that the Republicans had a small majority.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

There's a big difference between someone saying something I don't like. and them undercutting their party by joining the most extreme 11%.

Funny; I thought you were the one who just said that you'd now rather have a Republican in this district than Boyda.
How is that not also undercutting your party?

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I have a message to Nancy Boyda if she follows the Neville Chamberlain/ Joe Lieberman school of appeasement

[MarkWarner08]

So she has to join the most insane 11% of the population just to not be labeled a liberal?

I'm not Nancy Boyda so I don't know do I?

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Yes, but that was in Louisville you know. And it's not as though people voted for him because of that... he won (and I'm pleased that he won, btw) because he's well-known in the area and because of the national swing.

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The Democrats have about 31 seats more than the Republicans, right? To me that's a fairly small, but not unworkable and not tiny, majority.

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So what? I always said that the Republicans had a small majority.

My point is her district has a PVI of R+9 which is similar to PA-10 and NC-11.  Shuler and Carney both oppose troop surges because they understand that we need a political, not a military solution to the conflict.  The fact that a vet like Carney would be more skeptical of sending troops than a former anti-war activist like Boyda is mind-boggling. I'm worried that she's "gone Washington," trading in her convictions for raw political ambition.

[MarkWarner08]

I have a message to Nancy Boyda if she follows the Neville Chamberlain/ Joe Lieberman school of appeasement

Do you disagree that Joe Lieberman has been a solid supporter of George W. Bush's neoconservative foreign policy?  The fact that Joe Lieberman and John McCain are one of only 13, that right, 13 senators who support a troop sruge is further evidence that the American people are no longer blindly supporting this failed war.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Do you know who Chamberlin is

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

There's a big difference between someone saying something I don't like. and them undercutting their party by joining the most extreme 11%.

Funny; I thought you were the one who just said that you'd now rather have a Republican in this district than Boyda.
How is that not also undercutting your party?

warmongerer

[MarkWarner08]

Do you know who Chamberlin is

He was the prime minister of UK before Winston Churchill. He refused to stand up to Adolph Hitler and even signed the awful Munich Agreement which paved the way for the Nazi invasion of Switzerland. He also was an isolationist like American pilot Charles Lindbergh.

I'd suggest you read Phillip Roth's seminal work  "The Plot Against America" which discusses an alternate history where Lindbergh becomes President of the U.S.

[MarkWarner08]

There's a big difference between someone saying something I don't like. and them undercutting their party by joining the most extreme 11%.

Funny; I thought you were the one who just said that you'd now rather have a Republican in this district than Boyda.
How is that not also undercutting your party?

warmongerer

Did you vote for Sherrod Brown or Mike DeWine?

[Conan]

Rep. Nancy Boyda said on ABC's World News that she supports a "troop surge" because President Bush is our commander in chief. She repeated the GOP's talking points that Congress is "powerless to stop the President" on the war. She also opposes cutting off funding for the war.


This sellout Democrats probably thinks being from a Red State gives her the ability to undermine her party. WRONG. Rep. Heath Shuler is from a Red district in a Red State and her opposes a troop surge. Boyda better not become a traitor to the party. Even fellow Kansas Democrat Dennis Moore opposes a troop surge.


I have a message to Nancy Boyda if she follows the Neville Chamberlain/ Joe Lieberman school of appeasement: Nancy Boyda, your being watched by the bloggers!

Oh my god... BLOGGERS!!!!

There's no point in not troop surging. If that doesnt work we knew we tried, ruin McCain, and reduce and then start pullout by the end of the year.

[Conan]

I honestly can't think of a single good thing about Mississippi, except Harry.

Strip club are rare and the few that exist probably suck due to regulation, prudery is horrendous and there is basically no indie scene whatsoever. It's the only state in the country I can't name a single band from and touring bands NEVER go there (seriously. I've seen many tour dates).

Mississippi is not nearly as prudish as you imagine. It has a larger gambling industry than any state other than Nevada. MS is just very rural and that brings its own set of problems. That said, MS is easily one of the worst states in the country, and I know this fact well as I live just about 10 miles from it.

Actually NJ has the second largest casino industry.

[Gustaf]

Do you know who Chamberlin is

He was the prime minister of UK before Winston Churchill. He refused to stand up to Adolph Hitler and even signed the awful Munich Agreement which paved the way for the Nazi invasion of Switzerland. He also was an isolationist like American pilot Charles Lindbergh.

I'd suggest you read Phillip Roth's seminal work  "The Plot Against America" which discusses an alternate history where Lindbergh becomes President of the U.S.

I'd suggest you read something about Chamberlain. He was a sincere man who did what he thought was best under the circumstances. Once war became inevitable he was completely behind Churchill in the war effort (as opposed to thrash like Halifax). It's funny that in the case of Chamberlain treachery is refusal to stand up against a foreign dictator, whereas in the case of Lieberman treachery is standing up against a foreign dictator. Ah, the irony...

[Gustaf]

And, just to vent my dislike of that Roth-book...a work of popular fiction with extremely weak basis in reality. Please. There are historians who actually know a little something about these matters.

And, lest I forget, Chamberlain was not an isolationist! That was exactly the problem with him. His belief in international cooperation was so strong that he would not act unilaterally against Hitler.

[ilikeverin]

I have a message to Nancy Boyda if she follows the Neville Chamberlain/ Joe Lieberman school of appeasement

Do you disagree that Joe Lieberman has been a solid supporter of George W. Bush's neoconservative foreign policy?  The fact that Joe Lieberman and John McCain are one of only 13, that right, 13 senators who support a troop sruge is further evidence that the American people are no longer blindly supporting this failed war.

Yeah, let's leave the Iraqis to their own mess!  After all, you're only a true Democrat if you support massive anarchy in other countries!  Hooray for abandoning Iraqis to their own misfortunes instead of actually making a real attempt at fixing things!

Honestly, the withdrawal-now Democrats are really starting to grate on my nerves.  I mean, I can understand supporting some troop reductions (I'm undecided about whether troop levels should go up, remain the same, or go down in the short term... in the long term they should go down of course)... but seriously.  I fail to see how the liberal thing to do is to pursue a very un-liberal policy of abandoning those in need.  We ruined a lot of their country for them, the least we can do is to actually make an attempt to put things back into order before we depart.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

There's a big difference between someone saying something I don't like. and them undercutting their party by joining the most extreme 11%.

Funny; I thought you were the one who just said that you'd now rather have a Republican in this district than Boyda.
How is that not also undercutting your party?

warmongerer

Did you vote for Sherrod Brown or Mike DeWine?

I volenteared for Sherrod Brown

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Do you know who Chamberlin is

He was the prime minister of UK before Winston Churchill. He refused to stand up to Adolph Hitler and even signed the awful Munich Agreement which paved the way for the Nazi invasion of Switzerland. He also was an isolationist like American pilot Charles Lindbergh.

I'd suggest you read Phillip Roth's seminal work  "The Plot Against America" which discusses an alternate history where Lindbergh becomes President of the U.S.

And he is similer to Liberman how

[MarkWarner08]

Do you know who Chamberlin is

He was the prime minister of UK before Winston Churchill. He refused to stand up to Adolph Hitler and even signed the awful Munich Agreement which paved the way for the Nazi invasion of Switzerland. He also was an isolationist like American pilot Charles Lindbergh.

I'd suggest you read Phillip Roth's seminal work  "The Plot Against America" which discusses an alternate history where Lindbergh becomes President of the U.S.

And he is similer to Liberman how

Lieberman supported an imperialistic foreign policy that was an abject failure., I apologize for the Hitler comparison. My point is that both leader failed to stop and even aided and abetted a very dangerous policy.

On a side note, I'd suggest reading "Soft Power" by Harvard Professor Joseph Nye. Soft Power discusses the demise of America's moral ascendecy and how this has created many adverse consequences such has the lack of allies in the War in Iraq..