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« on: January 07, 2007, 01:41:13 AM »

BERLIN (AP) - Germany's population fell for a fourth consecutive year in 2006 and recorded the biggest drop since the country's reunification in 1990, the government said Friday, days after launching financial incentives designed to stall falling birth rates.
The number of births, meanwhile, was the lowest since World War II.

At the end of 2006, the number of people living in Germany was an estimated 82.3 million, 130,000 below the total at the end of 2005, the Federal Statistics Office said.

Germany's population grew in 2001 and 2002, but has fallen each year since. From 2003-2005 the population dropped by 5,000, 31,000 and 63,000, respectively.

German officials have been reluctant to ease immigration rules to bolster the work force, despite complaints from industry that there are not enough skilled workers in some areas. Demographers and economists say the problem will only grow worse, and that an aging population will put serious strains on pension funding and on the economy for lack of workers.

A recent government study forecast that the population could fall as low as 69 million by 2050.

During 2006, the agency said there were about 675,000 births, down from 686,000 recorded in 2005. The latest figure represents the fewest since World War II and far below the 922,000 births recorded in 1946, when the country lay in ruins after its defeat.

The population decline was also due to a drop in net immigration, from 79,000 in 2005 to between 20,000 and 30,000 last year, officials said.

"Immigration was nowhere near enough to make up for the births deficit," the statistics office said.

Starting Jan. 1, the parents of newborn children are entitled to share up to 14 months of leave from their jobs and receive about two-thirds of their net salaries in a bid to encourage couples to have more children.

The move, designed particularly to help working moms have more children, follows similar moves in other European countries concerned about their aging populations.

http://24hour.startribune.com/24hour/world/story/3464948p-12679397c.html

WIESBADEN – As shown by estimates of the Federal Statistical Office, the number of inhabitants in Germany again declined in 2006. At the end of 2006, the assumed number of inhabitants amounted to approximately 82.31 million, while it still totalled 82.44 million a year ago.

Both the number of births and that of deaths is considered to have declined in 2006 from 2005: approximately 670,000 to 680,000 live births and approximately 820,000 to 830,000 deaths are assumed. In 2005, 686,000 children were born alive, while 830,000 persons deceased. For 2006, a surplus of deaths over births of about 150,000 is expected to emerge. In 2005, the deficit of births amounted to 144,000.

Compared with 2005, less persons are assumed to have migrated into Germany from abroad in 2006, and more persons have out-migrated from Germany. Hence, net inward migration is estimated at only about 20,000 to 30,000 in 2006. In 2005, the migration surplus was 79,000 persons. Net inward migration in 2006 was thus far from being sufficient to offset the birth deficit, and a population decline emerges like in the previous years.

http://www.destatis.de/presse/englisch/pm2007/p0030021.htm
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« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2007, 03:11:14 AM »

Same problem in all first world nations except the US, as far as I know.
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« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2007, 03:18:09 AM »

Same problem in all first world nations except the US, as far as I know.

Well, of course, education and a high standard of living is the cure for overpopulation. In defense of the US, our population growth is primarily due to immigration.
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« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2007, 07:35:33 AM »

Same problem in all first world nations except the US, as far as I know.

Well, of course, education and a high standard of living is the cure for overpopulation. In defense of the US, our population growth is primarily due to immigration.
This is not true - the USA has a higher birth rate than all EU countries except Ireland and a much higher than the EU average. Also, in addition of Ireland only Moldova and Albania have a higher birthrate than the US.
https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2054rank.html
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« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2007, 08:56:21 AM »

Same problem in all first world nations except the US, as far as I know.

Well, of course, education and a high standard of living is the cure for overpopulation. In defense of the US, our population growth is primarily due to immigration.
This is not true - the USA has a higher birth rate than all EU countries except Ireland and a much higher than the EU average. Also, in addition of Ireland only Moldova and Albania have a higher birthrate than the US.
https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2054rank.html

Moldova and Albania have lower birthrates than the US. Only Ireland, Turkey and Iceland have higher birthrates than the US.

Try this source instead for European 2005 data:

http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/cache/ITY_OFFPUB/KS-NK-06-016/EN/KS-NK-06-016-EN.PDF

The birth rate in the US was 14.0 per 1.000 in 2005, but there are big differences between the 50 States.

Utah had the highest birthrate at 20.8 (which is higher than Turkey) and Vermont the lowest at 10.3 (which is in line with European rates). Most New England and "Kerry" states have "European style" birth rates, while the West and South (Texas, Arizona, etc.) have very high ones.
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« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2007, 09:12:33 AM »

Same problem in all first world nations except the US, as far as I know.

Well, of course, education and a high standard of living is the cure for overpopulation. In defense of the US, our population growth is primarily due to immigration.
This is not true - the USA has a higher birth rate than all EU countries except Ireland and a much higher than the EU average. Also, in addition of Ireland only Moldova and Albania have a higher birthrate than the US.
https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2054rank.html

Moldova and Albania have lower birthrates than the US. Only Ireland, Turkey and Iceland have higher birthrates than the US.

Try this source instead for European 2005 data:

http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/cache/ITY_OFFPUB/KS-NK-06-016/EN/KS-NK-06-016-EN.PDF

The birth rate in the US was 14.0 per 1.000 in 2005, but there are big differences between the 50 States.

Utah had the highest birthrate at 20.8 (which is higher than Turkey) and Vermont the lowest at 10.3 (which is in line with European rates). Most New England and "Kerry" states have "European style" birth rates, while the West and South (Texas, Arizona, etc.) have very high ones.
The CIA World Factbook is frequently inaccurate.
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« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2007, 10:34:10 AM »

The American birthrate is quite low among reasonably well-off whites - in other words people who correspond to Europeans.  The reason the overall birthrate is so high in the US is because of very large numbers of desperately poor whites and of course even larger numbers of extremely disadvantaged minority people.
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« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2007, 08:32:05 AM »
« Edited: January 08, 2007, 08:33:55 AM by Everything is not enough, and nothing is too much to bear »

The American birthrate is quite low among reasonably well-off whites - in other words people who correspond to Europeans.  The reason the overall birthrate is so high in the US is because of very large numbers of desperately poor whites and of course even larger numbers of extremely disadvantaged minority people.
I would assume the main reason is a more favorable system of tax breaks meself...
That certainly is the main reason France has a much healthier birth rate than Germany.

And then again, there's also a somewhat larger contingent of people who are absolutely nuts and prefer to show this by breeding like rabbits. How many kids does Rick Renzi have again? 16?
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« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2007, 03:10:38 PM »

Same problem in all first world nations except the US, as far as I know.

Nope. Not really. In Europe the population of all states is growing right now, with the exception of Germany and the eastern countries of Poland, Hungary, Croatia, Serbia, Romania, Bulgaria, The Baltic States, Moldova, Belarus, Ukraine and Russia.

Further the whole EU is adding more than 2 million people each year, compared to the 2.9 million of the US.

Russia, Belarus and Ukraine are losing about 1 million people each year.

Means: Europe gains about 1 Mio. new people each year.

Japan on the other hand now starts to stagnate or lose population.

South Korea, Taiwan Singapore though are growing, as is Canada, NZ and Australia.
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« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2007, 04:32:12 PM »

The US has recently seen the start of a wave of euros leaving Europe for here.
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« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2007, 04:42:08 PM »

The US has recently seen the start of a wave of euros leaving Europe for here.
LOL No. Some small scale continued European emigration to the US (mostly highskilled), and some even smaller scale US emigration to Europe (also mostly highskilled) has simply never ceased, and occasionally leads to sensationalist and fairly stupid media reports.
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« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2007, 04:58:00 PM »

The US has recently seen the start of a wave of euros leaving Europe for here.
LOL No. Some small scale continued European emigration to the US (mostly highskilled), and some even smaller scale US emigration to Europe (also mostly highskilled) has simply never ceased, and occasionally leads to sensationalist and fairly stupid media reports.
But its been increasing lately. Explain that. I see ALOT more coming in a few decades with young people wanting to not have to be in a place where pension taxes keep on going up. The US has issues with social security yes but nothing compared to Europe's issues.
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« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2007, 08:09:45 AM »

The US has recently seen the start of a wave of euros leaving Europe for here.
LOL No. Some small scale continued European emigration to the US (mostly highskilled), and some even smaller scale US emigration to Europe (also mostly highskilled) has simply never ceased, and occasionally leads to sensationalist and fairly stupid media reports.
But its been increasing lately. Explain that. I see ALOT more coming in a few decades with young people wanting to not have to be in a place where pension taxes keep on going up. The US has issues with social security yes but nothing compared to Europe's issues.
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« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2007, 08:15:08 AM »

Actually most Euros I meet here seem extremely satisfied with life back home - of course they're obviously upper-middle class types, but then again those are the only types that could get into the US anyway.

It is really almost impossible to imagine a person who was used to the pleasant lifestyle on The Continent choosing to live in the boring USA - I mean the bad food alone would kill you.
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« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2007, 04:54:34 PM »

The US has recently seen the start of a wave of euros leaving Europe for here.
LOL No. Some small scale continued European emigration to the US (mostly highskilled), and some even smaller scale US emigration to Europe (also mostly highskilled) has simply never ceased, and occasionally leads to sensationalist and fairly stupid media reports.
But its been increasing lately. Explain that. I see ALOT more coming in a few decades with young people wanting to not have to be in a place where pension taxes keep on going up. The US has issues with social security yes but nothing compared to Europe's issues.
I know for a fact that especially Danish families with young children has very little motivation to move to the States because of the quite expensive daycare. Very few Danish women want to stay home and look after the kids
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« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2007, 04:36:40 AM »

We have what's called the 'brain drain'-the top intelligencuia head off to Europe or North America. That said, we also have the 'brain gain'....kinda in the same way the US gets Candians, we get people from around the area. We also get a lot of students from overseas and retirees, particularly British. All in all, whilst we have a big diaspora, we have communities here from all over the world too, so it's about equal.
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