Which system do you prefer in electing a president?
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Question: Which system do you prefer in electing a president?
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France's
 
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USA's
 
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« on: January 22, 2007, 08:19:57 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2007, 10:51:33 PM »

Our's.
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« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2007, 11:24:32 PM »

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« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2007, 08:11:29 AM »

In theory, USA; in practice, France.
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« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2007, 10:37:12 AM »

the one where only I get to vote
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« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2007, 08:02:36 PM »

France's but really both systems are horrible. The two-round runoff is one of the worst systems except for FPTP voting but it is slightly better than the current American system.
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« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2007, 08:18:05 PM »

Ours.  However, I prefer using PR when it comes to legislative elections. 
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« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2007, 09:45:43 PM »

The two-round runoff is one of the worst systems

Why do you feel that way?
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« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2007, 03:25:00 PM »


Because it allows for things like the 2002 French Presidential election to happen to easily. It awards victory to the people who have the largest base and while they would have to try to get the votes of people who voted for other candidates that basically comes down to all the people whether the left or the right has a better turnout or more support.

I personally like IRV better as it takes into account multiple preferences for all the candidates but I'm not much of a backer of a Presidential system anyway. My personal favorite is a parliamentary system headed by a figure-head President elected via some sort of proportional representation that is not STV.
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« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2007, 04:06:34 PM »

The French system wouldn't be too bad if voting was compulsory; not that I particularly think that's an amazing idea either.

Our system could use some work.  I'm not in favor of abolishing the EC, but perhaps we could remove the 2 votes each state receives for its senators, so as to make the state's electoral votes slightly more representative than they are now.
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« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2007, 04:26:14 PM »

Because it allows for things like the 2002 French Presidential election to happen to easily.

The unfortunate results of the 2002 election were largely down to France's highly fragmented party system; which can hardly be blamed on the fact that to become President in France you need the support of an absolute majority of voters.
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« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2007, 04:47:20 PM »

Because it allows for things like the 2002 French Presidential election to happen to easily.

The unfortunate results of the 2002 election were largely down to France's highly fragmented party system; which can hardly be blamed on the fact that to become President in France you need the support of an absolute majority of voters.

Very true however it does not negate the fact that the French system really only helps those that have the most solid voting block, like Le Pen in 2002, over those who are more widely support, like Jospin in 2002 something that isn't a factor in an IRV election or a PR legislature.
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« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2007, 04:53:43 PM »

Very true however it does not negate the fact that the French system really only helps those that have the most solid voting block, like Le Pen in 2002, over those who are more widely support, like Jospin in 2002 something that isn't a factor in an IRV election or a PR legislature.

If Chevenement or Taubira hadn't run, Jospin would have been fine.

The point about IRV is an acceptable one o/c, but a comparision with a PR legislature is pointless; the point of a Presidential election is to elect a single individual, not a whole Parliament.
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« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2007, 05:45:21 PM »

PArliementary system with proportional representation
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