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« on: March 05, 2007, 03:27:25 AM »

Let's say the US adopts a two-round system used only when no candidate reached 50%. A few elections must be 2-round. Who wins in...

2000- Bush/Gore
1996- Clinton/Dole
1992- Clinton/Bush
1968- Nixon/Humphrey
1948- Truman/Dewey
1916- Wilson/Hughes
1912- Wilson/Roosevelt


Also, 1860- a runoff between Lincoln and Breckenridge...
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« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2007, 02:19:13 PM »

2000 - Gore... Maybe...
1996 - Clinton
1992 - Clinton
1968 - It depends... Historically, HHH had the momentum, so if the time was right, then he could've won... I'm inclined to believe Nixon would win with a runoff less than a week after the first election
1948 - Truman
1916 - Hard to say...It was close, but Benson's vote total wasn't very large, so Wilson
1912 - Tough call... Even without Taft, 1912 was a liberal year... I'll say Wilson in a close one.
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« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2007, 05:54:51 PM »

1912 - Tough call... Even without Taft, 1912 was a liberal year... I'll say Wilson in a close one.

Well if it was such a liberal year then most people would have voted for Roosevelt, who was the candidate who was farthest to the economic left. If anything Wilson was in the centre between the old right of Taft and the new progressivism of Roosevelt.

Also I doubt Taft supporters would have voted for a Democrat over good old TR, especially since they were some of the most traditional Republican voters, so I would say Roosevelt wins easily against Wilson.
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« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2007, 07:04:45 PM »

2000-Gore
1996-Clinton
1992-Clinton (narrowly)
1968-Nixon
1948-Truman
1916-Wilson
1912-Roosevelt (and it wouldn't be close either)
1860-Lincoln (narrowly)
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« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2007, 07:14:00 PM »


I don't think it'd be all that narrow.  Lincoln probably would have gotten most of Douglas' support in the North, and he wouldn't need anything else to win the election.  Heck, you could give every single non-Lincoln vote to Breckenridge and Lincoln would still win the election.
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« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2007, 07:17:25 PM »

This completely ignores the fact that the party system and the candidates would have developed altogether differently under a French-like two-round system.
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« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2007, 10:39:55 PM »
« Edited: March 06, 2007, 10:46:54 PM by fe234 »

Let's say the US adopts a two-round system used only when no candidate reached 50%. A few elections must be 2-round. Who wins in...

2000- Bush/Gore
1996- Clinton/Dole
1992- Clinton/Bush
1968- Nixon/Humphrey
1948- Truman/Dewey
1916- Wilson/Hughes
1912- Wilson/Roosevelt

Also, 1860- a runoff between Lincoln and Breckenridge...

One man's opinion:

My version of 2-round voting assumes the only votes that change are all of the candidates 3rd and below, so more like IRV. It's also assuming arch-left go to the left candidate, arch-right go to the right candidate, etc.

2000-Gore 48.38%, G.W. Bush 47.87%, Nader 2.73%

Nader's 2.73% would put Gore over 50%. 51.5%-48.5% for Gore.

1996-Clinton 49.23%, Dole 40.72%, Perot 8.40%

Clinton would win off of 4th place Nader's 0.71% and would not even need to distribute Perot's 8.40%. 50.5%-40.9%-8.6% for Clinton.

1992-Clinton 43.01%, G.H.W. Bush 37.45%, Perot 18.91%

Perot had 18.91%, and assuming all the third parties distributed equitably, we're looking at something like 43.3-37.8, so Bush Sr. would have to take 2 out of every 3 Perot votes to win. I think Clinton would've still won this because that's too many votes advantage when so many people wanted change at the time. I'll say they split even. 52.5%-47.5% for Clinton.

1968-Nixon 43.42%, Humphrey 42.72%, G. Wallace 13.53%

Hard to determine definitively where Wallace voters would go. He was a Democrat, but the attitudes were shifting at the time, and the only Southern state Humphrey won was Texas. So I think it would be Nixon, but very close, like 51%-49%.

1948-Truman 49.55%, Dewey 45.07%, Thurmond 2.41%, H. Wallace 2.37%

Truman would win off Henry Wallace's 2.37% and Strom Thurmond's 2.41% would not even be needed to be redistributed. 52.2%-45.3%-2.5% for Truman.

1916-Wilson 49.24%, Hughes 46.12%, Benson 3.19%

Saying that the Prohibition candidate's 1.19% went to Hughes, Wilson would win by taking most the Socialist's 3.19% of the vote. 52.4%-47.6% for Wilson.

1912-Wilson 41.84%, T. Roosevelt 27.40%, Taft 23.17%, Debs 5.99%

Yikes. For starters, the Prohibition candidate's 1.38% would go to Taft. Unions at the time supported Wilson over Debs by and large, so say his 5.99% vote gets split with 2/3 of it going to Wilson and 1/3 of it going to Roosevelt maybe. So that puts us at: Wilson 45.9%, T. Roosevelt 29.5%, Taft 24.6%. Would the needed 1 out of every 6 Taft voters vote for Wilson to put him over 50%? I'd think so, but just barely, due to the bitterness of the election between Taft and Roosevelt. 51.0%-49.0% for Wilson.

1860-Lincoln 39.65%, Douglas 29.52%, Breckenridge 18.20%, Bell 12.62%

No clue. You had four completely different ideologies on display that were not very combinable. This would've been a very interesting election if it had gone to the House to say the least. You'd had anti-slavery (Lincoln), pro-slavery (Breckenridge), and ignore slavery (Bell) with Douglas getting the Henry Clay position.
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« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2007, 10:48:40 PM »

2000- Bush/Gore
1996- Clinton/Dole
1992- Clinton/Bush
1968- Nixon/Humphrey
1948- Truman/Dewey
1916- Wilson/Hughes
1912- Wilson/Roosevelt


Also, 1860- a runoff between Lincoln and Breckenridge...

In 1860, Lincoln would have won the Electoral Vote even if all three of the other candidates' votes were combined against him.

2000 is an easy one, almost all Nader voters go Gore.
1996 is also easy, Clinton came only just shy of 50% and IIRC would have won the Electoral Vote even if Dole and Perot were combined.
1992 is a bit harder. Most of Perot's voters were angry at Bush, so they probably would have stayed home and the rest broken slightly for Clinton.
1968, Nixon, Wallace's vote wasn't significant enough in the states he didn't win for it to make a difference, and people who voted for Wallace wouldn't have voted for Humphrey.
1948, Truman, just a hunch. Truman was recovering throughout the campaign, and a longer campaign would have made it easier.
1916, Wilson.
1912, Roosevelt would have rallied the Republican vote.
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