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« Reply #1575 on: January 29, 2015, 12:36:46 AM »

Based off of one of my old TLs:

Lyndon Johnson (D-TX)/John Kennedy (D-MA)* (1961-1965)
Barry Goldwater (R-AZ)/Hiram Fong (R-HI) (1965-1973)
John Kennedy (D-MA)/Morris Udall (D-AZ) (1973-1981)
Robert Taft Jr. (R-OH)/Larry Pressler (R-SD) (1981-1989)
Larry Pressler (R-SD)/Howard Baker (R-TN) (1989-1997)
Jerry Brown (D-CA)/William Clinton (D-AR)*, Ann Richards (D-TX) (1997-2005)
Christine Todd Whitman (R-NJ)/J.C. Watts (R-OK) (2005-2009)
John Edwards (D-NC)/Chris Dodd (D-CT) (2009-2013)
Tim Scott (R-SC)/William Weld (R-MA) (2013-2021)
Joseph Kennedy III (D-MA)/Christine Gregoire (D-WA) (2021-2029)

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« Reply #1576 on: January 29, 2015, 08:33:19 PM »

1. Robert H. Harrison (Federalist-MD) 1789-1790 [1]
2. James Armstrong (Federalist-GA) 1790-1793
3. Thomas Jefferson (Republican-VA) 1793-1797 [2]
4. James Iredell (Federalist-NC) 1797-1799* [3]
5. Aaron Burr (Republican-NY) 1799-1809 [4]
6. Charles Cotesworth Pinckney (Federalist-SC) 1809-1813 [5]
7. DeWitt Clinton (Republican-NY) 1813-1817 [6]
8. Daniel D. Tompkins (Republican-NY) 1817-1821 [7]
9. William H. Crawford (Constitution-GA) 1821-1825 [8]
10.  Henry Clay (Whig-KY) 1825-1829 [9]
11. John Q. Adams (Whig-MA) 1829-1833
12. Martin Van Buren (Constitution-NY) 1833-1837
13. William C. Rives (Constitution-VA) 1837-1841
14. Winfield Scott (Whig-NJ) 1841-1845 [10]
15. Millard Fillmore (Whig-NY) 1845-1849 [11]
16. John M. Clayton (Whig-DE) 1849-1853 [12]

[1] Washington refuses to come out of retirement, citing ill health, forcing the electoral college to make a different choice for the first American president. It eventually settles upon Robert Harrison, another revolutionary war leader, who nonetheless drops dead a year into office, provoking a constitutional crisis. Anti-Federalists argue that the new Constitution is much too vague about how the vacancy should be filled (Is the VP acting as President or a new President?) while Federalists support James Armstrong, the Federalist VP now occupying the post of President. In the end, a deal is brokered which sees the Republicans assent to Armstrong being the legitimate President in return for his private assurance not to seek another term in 1792. Thus, the first of many 'Grand Bargains' is struck in American political history.

[2] Jefferson's one term in office is not pretty. Tax revolts in western Pennsylvania ultimately force his hand to put said uprisings down with brute force, alienating Jefferson from pretty much every one of the 'farmers and mechanics' that he had pledged his fealty to and results in his more or less being disowned by the party that he founded.

[3] Federalists ride the wave of anti-Republican sentiment in the wake of the crushing of the Whiskey Rebellion to victory? Not quite. Federalist James Iredell comes out on top of a divided electoral college, which awards him the Presidency by a single vote over his closest competitor, Aaron Burr, the 'True Republican' now having taken the reins of that party. Burr of course becomes Vice President, and when Iredell drops dead in 1799, the entire political system is turned on its head as the Republicans gain power again and quickly reshuffle the cabinet and all that jazz.

[4] Burr decides to be everything that Jefferson couldn't (or wouldn't). As President, he not only negotiates the purchase of Louisiana from France, but also oversees the period that would later be deemed 'Burrite Democracy', a period of the celebration of the plebian mass and animosity toward the emerging mercantile elite. Burr and his Republicans would quickly move to amend the Constitution to prevent the situation that landed him in office from happening again (Wouldn't want to have something like that put the Federalists in power, of course!), and provide for special elections in the case of a vacancy of the President. Burr likewise oversaw the abolition of the international slave trade, and ensured that slavery would be prohibited in the whole of the Louisiana territory, threatening to send federal troops in to any state that would raise a finger of rebellion in response.

Re-elected in 1804, he would be challenged and defeated in a bid for re-election in 1808. Burr, the first President to win a second term and attempt a third, would provoke enough of a response from the Federalist Party to attempt to make him the only second term President in American history via a new constitutional amendment.

[5] Pinckney's Presidency would be defined by the struggle to pass another constitutional amendment (which would ultimately pass, barring the President from running for re-election) and tensions with the British. The ruling Federalists would, of course, try and temper the passions of those utterly committed to confrontation with the British, something the Republicans would make hay of in the upcoming Presidential election.

[6] Although his uncle had been the initial favorite, the younger Clinton would end up the Republican nominee in 1812 and triumph over Federalist John Marshall in the general election. Clinton would take the United States to war with Britain shortly after entering office, beginning the War of 1813, long postponed and long overdue. With Britain distracted on the continent (cleaning up the Napoleonic Wars), the U.S. would clean up rather nicely, concluding the conflict in 1815 with a successful conquest of Canada and the ceding of the entirety of British holdings on the continent to the young republic. Clinton, like Burr before him, would ensure that these territories would be completely prohibited to the growth or expansion of slavery, further weakening that most peculiar of institutions and setting it on a head-on collision with the federal government in the years to come.

[7] Conflicts over the admission of Canadian territories as states plagued the Presidency of Daniel Tompkins. The refusal of states in the deep south to submit to federal policy with regard to slavery in the territories of former Louisiana, as well as bombastic rhetoric about 'creeping despotism' from Southern Republicans that formed the 'Tertium Quids' faction within that party ultimately boiled over in a short conflict in 1817. Reactionary state legislators and Governors, meeting in Charleston, declared independence as the 'Confederal States of America' that year, and, attempting to harken back to the heady days of the revolution, raised a militia to secure that independence. The federal army, backed by new regiments of French and English Canadians, crushed the short-lived Confederalists and with them the idea of a rebellion for the sake of securing the rights of slave ownership. Military governors in those states abolished slavery with the tacit approval of the administration, whereas those state governments where slavery was still permitted that remained loyal to the union were allowed to continue the practice until the passage of a constitutional amendment fully banning slavery in 1820.

[8] The Rebellion of 1817 had the effect of splitting up the Republican Party, already fraying at the edges between the Plebian-backed Burr-Clinton wing of the party centered in New York and urban industrial centers, and the reactionary, slaveowner (now former slaveowner) backed wing in the South. The Federalists, denied the Presidency since 1813 and steadily losing influence and relevance, would ultimately come to terms with their conservative Southern brethren with the destruction of slavery, forming the new Constitution Party in 1820. The Constitutionalists supported the status quo on federal power and was inclined toward support for overseas and continental expansion. It's 1820 campaign won even with the reconstruction of some areas of the Southern United States, winning support in the more conservative Canadian states and among the mercantile classes of the North.

[9] Those Republicans that supported the expansion of suffrage to the masses, a protective tariff, and the development of industry as opposed to the agrarian policy of the Constitutionalists dubbed themselves 'Whigs' after the patriots of the American Revolution. Henry Clay, a modernizer who favored high tariffs, continental expansion, and universal male suffrage, thus won the White House on that platform in 1824. His main achievements consist of establishing the highest ever tariff to that point on industrial goods and a constitutional amendment guaranteeing all male citizens aged 21 and older the right to vote, regardless of whether or not they owned property. Attempts at continental expansion were frustrated by botched negotiations with the Russians over their Alaskan territory that resulted in a major scandal that very nearly ruined the administration's reputation among European powers.

[10] The Whigs triumphantly return from political exile in 1840 with the election of Winfield Scott, who oversees the thorny issue of Tejas being admitted to the Union, which predictably causes all sorts of trouble with Mexico.

[11] Millard Fillmore settles accounts with Mexico in short order, incorporating the whole of the former into the United States amid a whole lot of nationalist zeal. Manifest Destiny has now reached from sea to shining sea, but others are now calling for it to move not from East to West, but from North to South, or 'pole to pole', so to speak. Fillmore aggrandizes for this himself throughout his Presidency, especially after the successful conclusion of hostilities with Mexico in 1846. Notably, the Fillmore administration also sees the adoption of a policy designating Mexicans as non-citizens (as had been the official policy concerning black Americans since the abolition of slavery in 1820).

[12] Clayton oversees the purchase of Cuba in 1850 and the admission of a few Central American filibuster states during his term in office.
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« Reply #1577 on: January 29, 2015, 08:58:32 PM »

41. Michael Dukakis/Llyod Bentsen - 1989-1993
42. William Armstrong/Howard Baker - 1993-2001
43. Connie Mack/Liddy Dole - 2001-2005
44. Joe Biden/Bob Graham - 2005-2009
45. Mitt Romney/Rob Portman - 2009-2013
46. Cory Booker/Amy Klobuchar - 2013-2021
47. Joni Ernst/Jeff Flake - 2021-2025
48. Tamera Daisy*/Gwen Graham - 2025-2033
49. Bradford Williams*/Wanda Rodriguez* - 2033-2037
50. Edward Warez*/Adam Smith* - 2037-onwards

*Tamera Daisy was the female, African American Senator from Georgia. Fairly progressive, though pragmatic on foreign policy. As biting and controversial as Ernst for the Republicans, but more contentful.

*Bradford Williams is the Democratic Governor of Pennsylvania. Considered something of a technocrat, won the nomination over the objections of the serious hispanic control of the party. Something of a Frank Underwood type.

*Wanda Rodriguez, the female Democratic Senator of Texas, and a leader of the notable hispanic wing of the Democratic party. Fought Williams for the nod. Regretfully accepted the Vice Presidential ticket to satisfy party leaders.

*Edward Warez, California's Governor, a hispanic male in his 60s, with a sturdy chin and greying hair. Very distinguished, served under Republican and Democratic administrations. Honest, caring, and socially liberal.

*Adam Smith, a Republican Congressman from a rural and Democratic area of Kentucky, understands the concerns of the common man.
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« Reply #1578 on: January 29, 2015, 09:01:23 PM »

Continued from above. Everyone from this point on out is fictional, so bear that in mind.

17. Harold Tobin (Radical Whig) 1857-1861 [1]
18. Leon Bourassa (Whig) 1861-1865 [2]
19. Jeremiah Brown (Whig) 1865-1871
20. Leland Smith (Radical Whig) 1871-1877 [3]
21. Stephen Williams (Whig) 1877-1883
22. Douglas Salazar (Whig) 1883-1889 [4]
23. Joseph Schreiner (Whig) 1889-1895
24. Charles Newton (Radical Whig) 1895-1901 [5]
25. James Salazar (Whig) 1901-1907 [6]

[1] The slow death of the Constitution Party (out of office and sight for 20 years) had slowly led to its membership populating the dominant Whigs, who would ultimately split as a result in the late 1850s. Those Whigs committed to the traditional program of conquest, tariffs, and 'master race democracy' would more or less absorb the old Constitution Party members and hold onto the party name. Those Whigs more committed to democracy and who were increasingly concerned about the role of the military and expansion as a public policy, as well as those more committed to free trade, would assign themselves the moniker of 'Radical Whigs' in the late 1850s.

Harold Tobin would win on that platform in 1856 and would attempt to enact it throughout the late 1850s. Unable to significantly alter the course of tariff policy, he instead concentrated on political reform, passing a civil service bill and undoing those provisions which prohibited conferring citizenship upon residents of the conquered territories (but not for African-Americans, who continued to be excluded). Immigration was aggressively promoted to fill the factories popping up from Hartford to Havana. But Tobin is best remembered for what Radicals described as 'Tobin's Folly', his deviation from the principles of anti-imperialism to purchase Alaska from the Russians and forever ruin his reputation among those very radical intellectuals that had put so much faith in him.

[2] The first Quebecois elected President, Bourassa begin the long and drawn out process of 'Pole to Pole' Manifest Destiny, landing American troops in the northern part of South America in April 1861. The slow and bloody conquest of that continent by its northern neighbor had begun. Also of note, during the Bourassa administration the states approved a constitutional amendment conferring citizenship upon all males born in the United States or any territory in which the U.S. had jurisdiction (approved by the outgoing Radical Whigs in the late 1850s) and a constitutional amendment increasing the length of the term of office for the President from four years to six years, effective 1864.

[3] A railroad executive turned politician, Smith would oversee the first comprehensive reduction in tariff rates in nearly a century, and would likewise see the final elimination of patronage appointments to federal office. This represented a solid victory for the Radical Whigs, who now largely existed as an argumentative coalition of small farmers, finance capital, and of course, liberal intellectuals opposed to overseas expansion.

[4] The first American President to be elected from among the conquered Mexican states, Salazar continued the conquest of Latin America during his administration, crushing the resistance of Peruvian patriots as American settlers moved into those regions and petitioned for admission to the Union.

[5] Elected on a solid majority to conclude some kind of peace in Latin America after years and years of fighting, Newton officially ceased American operations in the region in 1898 upon the surrender of the last holdouts in Chile and Argentina that year. From 'Pole to Pole' the American empire now stretched, and the Radical Whigs thought it now proper to tear down the walls of tariffs that kept the nation blocked off from foreign trade and focused on an ever expanding internal market. As such, Newton would stake what political capital he had left aggressively pursuing a total free trade policy, which he would get after a good deal of political wrangling and alienating a good deal of his own party membership. This, the cessation of American conquest of Latin America, the conclusion of the fight for civil service reform, and the enactment of free trade, would ultimately give the Radical Whigs little else to live for, and would cause the collapse of the party in the early part of the 1900s. Those elements interested in further reform (pushing for women's suffrage and other democratic measures) would regroup under the banner of the People's Party, while those opposed would rejoin the Whig Party.

[6] The son of former President Douglas Salazar, the younger Salazar would attempt to steal the fire of the new People's Party and the emerging Workers Party by enacting a reform program of his own. Salazar embraced the call for the abolition of the electoral college, the enactment of a federal referendum process, and the direct election of Senators. He stopped short of embracing women's suffrage, denounced attempts at introducing the recall of members of Congress, and publicly derided the labor movement as a 'movement of vagabonds and charlatans.' The latter policy was well shown by his frequent use of federal troops to break strikes, a policy that would have long ranging implications in the struggle for a fairer and more democratic United States.
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« Reply #1579 on: January 31, 2015, 04:15:47 PM »

32. Franklin Roosevelt (Democratic-NY) 1933-1945*
33. Lyndon Johnson (Democratic-TX) 1945-1953
34. Dwight Eisenhower (Republican-NY) 1953-1957
35. Harry Truman (Democratic-MO) 1957-1963**
36. John Kennedy (Democratic-MA) 1963-1973
37. Ronald Reagan (Republican-CA) 1973-1974***
38. Richard Nixon (Republican-CA) 1974-1977****
39. Jimmy Carter (Democratic-GA) 1977-1981
40. Gerald Ford (Republican-MI) 1981-1989
41. George H.W. Bush (Republican-TX) 1989-1997
42. Bill Clinton (Democratic-AR) 1997-2001
43. George W. Bush (Republican-TX) 2001-2009
44. Barack Obama (Democratic-IL) 2009-

*Died in office
**Assassinated
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« Reply #1580 on: January 31, 2015, 06:15:42 PM »

Samuel Tilden 1877-1881
James Garfield 1881
Chester Arthur 1881-1885

Thomas Bayard 1885-1889
Walter Q. Gresham 1889-1893

Grover Cleveland 1893-1901
Thomas B. Reed 1901
Charles Fairbanks 1901-1905

George Gray 1905-1913
Judson Harmon 1913-1921
Warren Harding 1921-1923
Calvin Coolidge 1923-1925

Albert Ritchie 1925-1933
James A. Reed 1933-1941
Robert Taft 1941-1949
John Bricker 1949-1957


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« Reply #1581 on: January 31, 2015, 11:24:52 PM »

35. Richard M. Nixon (R-CA) / Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. (R-MA): 1961-1969
36. George Smathers (D-FL) / Hubert Humphrey (D-MN): 1969-1977
37. Hubert Humphrey (D-MN) / Jerry Brown (D-CA): 1977-1981

38. George H. W. Bush (R-TX) / Edward M. Cox (R-NY): 1981-1989
39. Jack F. Kemp (R-NY) / Pete Wilson (R-CA): 1989-1997

40. Ann Richards (D-TX) / Bill Clinton (D-AR): 1997-1999
41. Bill Clinton (D-AR) / Jim Hunt (D-NC): 1999-2005

42. John S. McCain (R-AZ) / Elizabeth Dole (R-NC): 2005-2013
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« Reply #1582 on: February 01, 2015, 01:37:54 AM »
« Edited: February 01, 2015, 01:43:39 AM by National Progressive »

32. Franklin D. Roosevelt (Democratic) 1933-1945
33. Harry S Truman (Democratic) 1945-1957
34. William Knowland (Republican) 1957-1961
35. Hubert H. Humphrey (Democratic) 1961-1969
36. Henry M. Jackson (Democratic) 1969-1977
37. Robert Dole (Republican) 1977-1985
38. John Anderson (Republican/Liberal Union) 1985-1989
39. Robert Casey (Social Democratic) 1989-1997
40. John McCain (Liberal Union) 1997-2005
41. Hugh Rodham (Liberal Union) 2005-2009
42. Brian Schweitzer (Social Democratic) 2009-

Major Parties as of 2017:

Social Democratic Party-Centre-left, "broad-tent" party. Generally strongly supportive of the welfare state and Keynesian economics as well as being internationalist. Diverse on social issues. Strong support by labour unions, working-class and lower-middle class people, and blacks and Hispanics.

Liberal Union Party-Centre-right, "liberal conservative" party. Modelled on European centre-right parties such as the Moderates in Sweden. Accepts the "New Deal consensus" but generally more fiscally conservative. Similarly internationalist and diverse on social issues. Strong support by suburbanites, upper middle-class professionals, and the like.

American Heritage Party-Far-right populist resembling that of the National Front. Strongly protectionist and anti-immigrant but currently divided between an economically libertarian faction and a more pro welfare state one (at least for the "right" people). Largely restricted to the Deep South and some parts of the West.
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« Reply #1583 on: February 01, 2015, 07:54:38 AM »

Samuel Tilden 1877-1881
James Garfield 1881
Chester Arthur 1881-1885

Thomas Bayard 1885-1889
Walter Q. Gresham 1889-1893

Grover Cleveland 1893-1901
Thomas B. Reed 1901
Charles Fairbanks 1901-1905

George Gray 1905-1913
Judson Harmon 1913-1921
Warren Harding 1921-1923
Calvin Coolidge 1923-1925

Albert Ritchie 1925-1933
James A. Reed 1933-1941
Robert Taft 1941-1949
John Bricker 1949-1957




I presume 1957 witnesses some sort of general revolt against 80 years of conservative rule.
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« Reply #1584 on: February 01, 2015, 09:10:58 AM »

37. Richard Nixon (Republican-CA) 1969-1974*
38. Carl Albert (Democratic-OK) 1974-1975
39. Jimmy Carter (Democratic-GA) 1975-1981**
40. Walter Mondale (Democratic-MN) 1981-1991
41. Michael Dukakis (Democratic-MA) 1991-1995
42. Mitt Romney (Republican-MI) 1995-2001***
43. Dick Cheney (Republican-TX) 2001-2007
44. John Kerry (Democratic-MA) 2007-2011
45. Jeb Bush (Republican-FL) 2011-

*Resigned
**Assassinated
***Died during the 9/21 terrorist attacks

39. Spiro Agnew (Republican-MD) 1969-1973
40. Walter Mondale (Democratic-MN) 1975-1981
41. Michael Dukakis (Democratic-MA) 1981-1991
42. Lloyd Bentsen (Democratic-TX) 1991-1995
43. Dick Cheney (Republican-TX) 1995-2001
44. Joe Lieberman (Democratic-CT) 2001-2007
45. John Edwards (Democratic-NC) 2007-2008*
46. Joe Biden (Democratic-DE) 2008-2011
47. Sarah Palin (Republican-AK) 2011-

*Resigned

1972: George McGovern / Sargent Shriver (Democratic)
1974: Ronald Reagan / Nelson Rockefeller (Republican)
1978: George H.W. Bush / Bob Dole (Republican)
1982: Bob Dole / Gerald Ford (Republican)
1986: George W. Bush / Dan Quayle (Republican)
1990: John McCain / Jack Kemp (Republican)
1994: Michael Dukakis / Lloyd Bentsen (Democratic)
1998: Bill Clinton / Al Gore (Democratic)
2002: Al Gore (Democratic) / John McCain (Republican)
2006: Dick Cheney (Republican) /Joe Lieberman (Independent)
2010: John Kerry / Joe Biden (Democratic)
2014: Barack Obama / Hillary Clinton (Democratic)
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« Reply #1585 on: February 03, 2015, 04:14:59 PM »

Former TL idea, POD is Martin Van Buren getting the 1844 nomination.
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10. John Tyler, Sr. (Whig/No Affiliation/Continental-Virginia) April 4, 1841 - March 4, 1849
11. Winfield Scott (Whig-New Jersey) March 4, 1849 - March 4, 1853
12. James Buchanan, Jr. (Continental-Pennsylvania) March 4, 1853 - April 13, 1858**
13. John Bell (American/Unionist-Tennessee) April 13, 1858 - August 16, 1864*
14. Henry Wilson (Republican-Massachusetts) August 16, 1864 - March 4, 1869
15. Robert E. Lee (Unionist-Virginia) March 4, 1869 - March 4, 1877
16. Roscoe Conkling (Republican-New York) March 4, 1877 - March 4, 1881
17. Walter "Walt" Whitman (Unionist-New York) March 4, 1881 - September 25, 1883*
18. Oliver P. Temple (Unionist-Tennessee) September 25, 1883 - March 4, 1885
19. James B. Weaver (Republican-Iowa) March 4, 1885 - March 4, 1893
20. John Fiske (Unionist-Connecticut) March 4, 1893 - March 4, 1897
21. William J. Bryan (Republican-Jefferson) March 4, 1897 - February 12, 1902*
22. Thomas B. Reed (Republican-Maine) February 12, 1902 - December 7, 1902**
Acting. Joseph "Joe" G. Cannon (Republican-Illinois) December 7, 1902 - March 4, 1905
23. Lyon G. Tyler, Sr. (Unionist-Virginia) March 4, 1905 - March 4, 1913
24. Robert "Bob" M. La Follette, Sr. (Social Democratic-Wisconsin) March 4, 1913 - March 4, 1921
25. Thomas "Tom" E. Watson (Social Democratic-Georgia) March 4, 1921 - February 26, 1922
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26. Eugene "Gene" V. Debs (Social Democratic-Indiana) February 26, 1922 - March 4, 1925
27. Christopher "Chris" R. Archer (Unionist-Ohio) March 4, 1925 - March 4, 1933
28. Jean-Robert F. Dauterive (Social Democratic-Louisiana) March 4, 1933 - January 20, 1941***
29. Eric G. Torvalds, Jr. (Social Democratic-Michigan) January 20, 1941 - January 20, 1949
30. Leonard H. Fish (Unionist-New York) January 20, 1949 - January 20, 1957
31. Esteban L. Colquitt (No Affiliation-Cuba) January 20, 1957 - January 20, 1961***
32. Noah E. Chaplin (Social Democratic-Texas) January 20, 1961 - January 20, 1969
33. Beatrice K. La Follette (Social Democratic-Wisconsin) January 20, 1969 - January 20, 1973***
34. Richard "Dick" W. Turwood (Unionist-Illinois) January 20, 1973 - January 20, 1981
35. LeRoy C. Jenkins (Social Democratic-Alabama) January 20, 1981 - January 20, 1985
36. John N. Finnis (Unionist-Maryland) January 20, 1985 - January 20, 1993
37. J. Franklin "Frank" Delano, Jr. (Unionist-California) January 20, 1993 - January 20, 1997

38. Joseph T. Lincoln (Social Democratic-Oregon) January 20, 1997 - January 20, 2005
39. Cordelia "Cora" S. Davenport (Unionist-New York) January 20, 2005 - January 20, 2009
40. Leonidas "Leon" J. Freeman (Social Democratic-Mississippi) January 20, 2009 - Current Date***

**12. Died from complications of National Hotel Disease.
*13. Assassinated by Southron rebel.
*17. Assassinated.
*21. Assassinated.
**22. Died from complications of Bright's Disease, Appendicitis
**25. Died from a Cerebral Hemorrhage.
***28. First Roman Catholic President.
***31. First Hispanic, Cuban President. First Independent since George Washington.
***33. First Female President.
***40. First African-American President.
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« Reply #1586 on: February 05, 2015, 01:03:11 AM »

1. George Washington (Independent) 1789-1797
2. John Adams (Federalist) 1797-1801
3. Thomas Jefferson (Republican) 1801*
4. Aaron Burr (Republican) 1801-1805
5. Charles Cotesworth Pinckney (Federalist) 1805-1809
6. George Clinton (Republican) 1809-1810*
7. James Madison (Republican) 1810-1813
8. DeWitt Clinton (Federalist) 1813-1817
9. Rufus King (Federalist) 1817-1821
10. John Q. Adams (Nationalist) 1821-1825**
11. Daniel Rodney (Nationalist) 1825-1829
12. William H. Harrison (Nationalist) 1829-1837
13. Martin Van Buren (Federalist) 1837-1841
14. William H. Harrison (Nationalist) 1841**
15. Francis Granger (Nationalist) 1841-1845
16. William L. Marcy (Federalist) 1845-1857
17. William L. Dayton (Nationalist) 1857-1861**
18. John C. Fremont (Nationalist) 1861-1869
19. Schuyler Colfax (Nationalist) 1869-1873
20. John C. Fremont (Radical) 1873-1881
21. James A. Garfield (Nationalist) 1881-1883*
22. Chester A. Arthur (Nationalist) 1883-1889
23. Walter Q. Gresham (Nationalist) 1889-1893
24. Robert M. La Follette (Radical) 1893-1905*
25. Theodore Burton (Radical) 1905-1913
26. Theodore Roosevelt (Nationalist) 1913-1921
27. David I. Walsh (Radical) 1921-1923**
28. James E. "Pa" Ferguson (Radical) 1923-1929
29. Warren G. Harding (Nationalist) 1929-1934***
30. Bertrand Snell (Nationalist) 1934-1937
31. Franklin Roosevelt (Radical) 1937-1941
32. John Steinbeck (Workers') 1941-1949
33. Dave Beck (Workers') 1949-1953
34. Howard Hughes (Independent, then American) 1953-1961
35. Robert Heinlein (Workers') 1961-1969
36. Arthur Fletcher (American) 1969-1977
37. Elizabeth Bloomer (American) 1977-1985
38. Michael Harrington (Workers') 1985-1989
39. Jeane Kirkpatrick (American) 1989-1993
40. Dick Gephardt (Workers') 1993-2001
41. Gary Locke (Workers') 2001-2009
42. Jesse Ventura (Independent) 2009-2017

*Died in office
**Assassinated
***Impeached and removed from office

TNF, your imagination never fails to disappoint. How did Howard Hughes, Arthur Fletcher, and Arthur Fletcher make their ways to the White House? I'm assuming that Hughes presided over a moderately reactionary administration marked by massive funding towards his various defense contractors. Possibly environmental protection due to his wish to preserve his ability to be reclusive. Following him, however, it seems the Americans went on a liberal streak, nominating the "Father of Affirmative Action" and a woman who had no problem with abortion or premarital sex. As such, I'm guessing that their right-wing policies were largely in the economic and foreign policy realm--possibly to appeal to minorities and middle class voters as opposed to "the masses". The nomination of Jeanne Kirkpatrick would probably be an attempt to bring in more blue collar workers as well as maintain their streak of "history-making" presidencies. Very interesting, a timeline would be interesting, though I'm more interested in the late twentieth century narrative.
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« Reply #1587 on: February 06, 2015, 11:59:29 AM »

I'll be totally honest with you Cathcon - I don't really remember what I was thinking when I wrote that list. Tongue Suffice to say though, you've probably got a good idea of what happened, because I sure as hell don't and what you typed out there makes a hell of a lot of sense.

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Presidents of the United States under the Constitution of 1789

25. William McKinley (Republican-OH) 1897-1905
26. Charles Fairbanks (Republican-IN) 1905-1909
27. George Gray (Democratic-DE) 1909-1917
28. Charles Evans Hughes (Republican-NY) 1917*

*Overthrown during the December Revolution of 1917

Presidents of the Constitutional Convention of 1917-18

1. Robert La Follette (Progressive Republican-WI) December 1917-March 1918
2. Charles E. Russell (Social Democratic-NY) March 1918-July 1918*

*Overthrown during the July Revolution of 1918

Presidents of the United Socialist States of America

1. Eugene V. Debs (Socialist-IN) 1918-1926
2. William Z. Foster (Socialist-NY) 1926-1930
3. James P. Cannon (Communist League-IL) 1930-1946
4. Farrell Dobbs (Communist League-MN) 1946-1954
5. Eugene Dennis (Socialist-NY) 1954-1958
6. Farrell Dobbs (Communist League-MN) 1958-1966
7. Clifton DeBerry (Communist League-IL) 1966-1970
8. Gus Hall (People's-NY) 1970-1974
9. Pete Camejo (Communist League-CA) 1974-1978
10. Gus Hall (People's-NY) 1978-1982
11. Clifton DeBerry (Communist League-IL) 1982-1986
12. Matilde Zimmermann (Communist League-NY) 1986-1990
13. Barry Commoner (Ecosocialist Federation-NY) 1990-1994
14. Sam Webb (People's-ME) 1994-1998
15. Ralph Nader (Ecosocialist Federation-CT) 1998-2006
16. Richard Wolfe (Ecosocialist Federation-CT) 2006-2010
17. Cynthia McKinney (Ecosocialist Federation-GA) 2010-2014
18. Kshama Sawant (Workers-WA) 2014-
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« Reply #1588 on: February 06, 2015, 01:37:44 PM »

I apologize. I meant to say "never disappoints". Feel like a jackass. And by my second mention of "Arthur Fletcher", I meant Elizabeth Bloomer. Sorry for the mis-types. Tongue Ugh, and my use of "interest" three times in the same sentence is atrocious. Not sure what I was on when I wrote that.
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« Reply #1589 on: February 06, 2015, 06:25:30 PM »

Sans Watergate:

Richard Nixon (R-CA)/Spiro Agnew (R-MD), Gerald Ford (R-MI) 1969-1977
Barry Goldwater (R-AZ)/Charles Percy (R-IL) 1977-1985
Dale Bumpers (D-AR)/Gary Hart (D-CO) 1985-1993
Howard Baker (R-TN)/Colin Powell (R-NY) 1993-1997
Jerry Brown (D-CA)/William Clinton (D-AR) 1997-2001
William Weld (R-MA)/Richard Lugar (R-IN) 2001-2005
William Clinton (D-AR)/Howard Dean (D-VT) 2005-2009
William Weld (R-MA)/Meg Whitman (R-CA) 2009-2013
Meg Whitman (R-CA)/Rand Paul (R-KY) 2013-2021
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« Reply #1590 on: February 06, 2015, 11:46:52 PM »


Ron Paul will have a serious role in the campaign.
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« Reply #1591 on: February 08, 2015, 12:50:16 AM »

1. George Washington (Independent) April 30, 1789-December 14, 1799 [1]
2. John Adams (Federalist) December 14, 1799-March 4, 1801*
3. Thomas Jefferson (Democratic-Republican) March 4, 1801-July 4, 1826
4. Henry Clay (National) July 4, 1826-June 29, 1852**
5. Daniel Webster (National) June 29, 1852-October 24, 1852*
6. Stephen Douglas (Democratic) October 24, 1852-June 3, 1861**
7. William H. Seward (Republican) June 3, 1861-July 16, 1862*
8. Abraham Lincoln (Republican) July 16, 1862-May 13, 1867 [2]
9. William H. Seward (Republican) May 13, 1867-July 1, 1868*
10. Phillip Sheridan (Republican) July 1, 1868-August 5, 1888
11. James G. Blaine (Republican) August 5, 1888-September 4, 1889*
12. James B. Weaver (Reform) September 4, 1889-February 6, 1912
13. Thomas R. Marshall (Reform) February 6, 1912-June 1, 1925**
14. Burton K. Wheeler (Reform) June 1, 1825-February 6, 1975**
15. Spiro T.  (Republican) February 6, 1975-July 9, 1980 [3]
16. Lloyd M. Bentsen, Jr. (Reform) July 9, 1980-July 31, 1981*
17. Mario Cuomo (Reform) July 31, 1981-January 1, 2015
18. John McCain (Republican) January 1, 2015-present*


*Assumed office on death of the previous president
**Assumed office on death of previous president, elected in own right in subsequent election

[1] The Constitutional Convention grants the president a life term and . In the event of the president's death, the Speaker of the Senate assumes the office until a new president is elected.
[2] Election prompted the Civil War.
[3] First president to be impeached
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« Reply #1592 on: February 11, 2015, 09:10:15 AM »

28. Theodore Roosevelt (Republican-NY) 1913-1921
29. John W. Davis (Democratic-WV) 1921-1925*
30. Franklin D. Roosevelt (Democratic-NY) 1925
31. Robert M. La Follette (Labor-WI) 1925*
32. Burton K. Wheeler (Labor-MT) 1925-1929
33. Frank O. Lowden (Republican-IL) 1929-1933
34. Norman M. Thomas (Labor-NY) 1933-1941
35. Robert A. Taft (Republican-OH) 1941-1943*
36. Dewey J. Short (Republican-MO) 1943-1945
37. Harry F. Byrd (Democratic-VA) 1945-1949
38. Harold Stassen (Republican-MN) 1949-1953
39. Wayne Morse (Labor-OR) 1953-1957
40. Lyndon B. Johnson (Democratic-TX) 1957-1961
41. Barry M. Goldwater (Republican-AZ) 1961-1968**
42. Henry C. Lodge (Republican-MA) 1968-1969
43. Nelson Rockefeller (Republican-NY) 1969-1974*
44. George Romney (Republican-MI) 1974-1977
45. Henry M. Jackson (Labor-WA) 1977-1983*
46. Walter Mondale (Labor-MN) 1983-1985
47. George H.W. Bush (Republican-CT) 1985-1993
48. H. Ross Perot (Independent, then National Unity-TX) 1993-2001
49. Eric R. Boucher (United Left-California) 2001-2005
50. George W. Bush (Republican-CT) 2005-2013
51. Roseanne Barr (United Left-California) 2013-

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**Assassinated
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« Reply #1593 on: February 11, 2015, 09:40:10 AM »

28. Theodore Roosevelt (Republican-NY) 1913-1921
29. John W. Davis (Democratic-WV) 1921-1925*
30. Franklin D. Roosevelt (Democratic-NY) 1925
31. Robert M. La Follette (Labor-WI) 1925*
32. Burton K. Wheeler (Labor-MT) 1925-1929
33. Frank O. Lowden (Republican-IL) 1929-1933
34. Norman M. Thomas (Labor-NY) 1933-1941
35. Robert A. Taft (Republican-OH) 1941-1943*
36. Dewey J. Short (Republican-MO) 1943-1945
37. Harry F. Byrd (Democratic-VA) 1945-1949
38. Harold Stassen (Republican-MN) 1949-1953
39. Wayne Morse (Labor-OR) 1953-1957
40. Lyndon B. Johnson (Democratic-TX) 1957-1961
41. Barry M. Goldwater (Republican-AZ) 1961-1968**
42. Henry C. Lodge (Republican-MA) 1968-1969
43. Nelson Rockefeller (Republican-NY) 1969-1974*
44. George Romney (Republican-MI) 1974-1977
45. Henry M. Jackson (Labor-WA) 1977-1983*
46. Walter Mondale (Labor-MN) 1983-1985
47. George H.W. Bush (Republican-CT) 1985-1993
48. H. Ross Perot (Independent, then National Unity-TX) 1993-2001
49. Eric R. Boucher (United Left-California) 2001-2005
50. George W. Bush (Republican-CT) 2005-2013
51. Roseanne Barr (United Left-California) 2013-

*Died in office
**Assassinated

Wait. The lead singer of the Dead Kennedy's? I guess anything can happen in a post-Perot world.
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« Reply #1594 on: February 11, 2015, 09:41:35 AM »

Indeed. It also helps that history has changed dramatically since 1912.

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« Reply #1595 on: February 11, 2015, 10:57:11 AM »

Indeed. It also helps that history has changed dramatically since 1912.

I would love to see at least one of your Alternative President's list turned into a timeline, though I have no doubt that I can imagine what happens in each one to some extent.
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« Reply #1596 on: February 11, 2015, 07:59:20 PM »
« Edited: February 15, 2015, 11:27:41 PM by Cathcon »

25. William B. Allison (Republican-Iowa)/William McKinley (Republican-Ohio) 1897-1901
26. Adlai E. Stevenson (D-IL)/David B. Hill (D-NY) 1901-1904
27. David B. Hill (D-NY)/vacant, George Dewey (D-VT) 1904-1909
28. George Gray (D-DE)/John A. Johnson (D-MN) 1909-1913

29. Theodore Roosevelt (R-NY)/Joseph G. Cannon (R-IL), Henry C. Wallace (R-IA), Arthur M. Hyde (R-MO) 1913-1925
30. Arthur M. Hyde (R-MO)/vacant, Charles Curtis (R-KS) 1925-1933

31. John J. Pershing (D-MO)/Francis E. Walter (D-PA) 1933-1941
32. Thomas Dewey (R-NY)/Arthur H. Vandenberg (R-MI) 1941-1943
33. Arthur H. Vandenberg (R-MI)/vacant, H. Styles Bridges (R-NH) 1943-1949

35. Francis E. Walter (D-PA)/Joseph McCarthy (D-WI), vacant, Samuel Rayburn (D-TX) 1949-1954
36. Samuel Rayburn (D-TX)/vacant, Averill Harriman (D-NY) 1954-1957

37. Edward F. Arn (R-KS)/James P. Mitchell (R-NJ) 1957-1961
38. Ronald W. Reagan (D-IL)/John F. Kennedy (D-CA) 1961-1969
39. John F. Kennedy (D-CA)/Thomas Eagleton (D-MO) 1969-1973

40. Robert S. Dole (R-KS)/Bronson La Follette (R-WI) 1973-1981
41. Edward M. Kennedy (D-CA)/John B. Connally (D-TX) 1981-1989
42. Alphonso Jackson (R-TX)/Peter J. Brennan (R-NY) 1989-1997
43. Elizabeth "Liddy" Dole (R-NY)/Charles Hagel (R-NE) 1997-2001

44. John Edwards (D-NC)/Edward J. Markey (D-MA) 2001-2009
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« Reply #1597 on: February 12, 2015, 08:12:10 AM »

Excellent William Allison as Woodrow Wilson analogue that you put together there.
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« Reply #1598 on: February 12, 2015, 11:02:15 AM »

28. William Sulzer (Democratic-NY) 1913-1919*
29. James B. "Champ" Clark (Democratic-MO) 1919-1925
30. Leonard Wood (Republican-NH) 1925-1933
31. David I. Walsh (Democratic-MA) 1933-1935**
32. John Nance Garner (Democratic-TX) 1935-1941
33. Frank Merriam (Republican-CA) 1941-1946***
34. Arthur Vandenberg (Republican-MI) 1946-1949
35. Richard B. Russell (Democratic-GA) 1949-1953
36. Richard M. Nixon (Republican-CA) 1953-1961
37. John G. Tower (Republican-TX) 1961-1965
38. J. William Fulbright (Democratic-AR) 1965-1973
39. George H.W. Bush (Republican-TX) 1973-1981
40. Harold Washington (Democratic-IL) 1981-1989
41. Geraldine Ferraro (Democratic-NY) 1989-1997
42. Mitch McConnell (Republican-KY) 1997-2001
43. Betsy McCaughey (Democratic-NY) 2001-2005
44. Richard Burr (Republican-NC) 2005-2013
45. Dino Rossi (Republican-WA) 2013-

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**Assassinated.
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« Reply #1599 on: February 12, 2015, 11:19:33 AM »

The basic premise was the invasion of Normandy bogs down and, because of that, Dewey wins in 1944.

32. Franklin D. Roosevelt (Democratic-New York) March 4, 1933 - January 20, 1945
33. Thomas E. Dewey (Republican-New York) January 20, 1945 - January 20, 1953
34. George S. Patton, Jr. (Democratic-California) January 20, 1953 - January 20, 1957
35. Harold E. Stassen (Republican-Minnesota) January 20, 1957 - January 20, 1965
36. John "Jack" F. Kennedy (Democratic-Massachusetts) January 20, 1965 - August 13, 1971***
37. Albert "Al" A. Gore, Sr. (Democratic-Tennessee) August 13, 1971 - January 20, 1973

38. Donald H. Rumsfeld (Republican-Illinois) January 20, 1973 - February 27, 1978***
39. Daniel "Dan" J. Evans (Republican-Washington) February 27, 1978 - January 20, 1981

40. James "Jimmy" E. Carter, Jr. (Democratic-Georgia) January 20, 1981 - January 20, 1989
41. Kevin H. White (Democratic-Massachusetts) January 20, 1989 - January 20, 1993

42. E. Gerald "Jerry" Brown, Jr. (Republican-California) January 20, 1993 - January 20, 2001
43. Albert "Al" A. Gore, Jr. (Democratic-Tennessee) January 20, 2001 - January 20, 2009
44. Sophia A. Nelson (Republican-Virginia) January 20, 2009 - Current Date

***36. Resigned due to health concerns.
***38. Resigned due to corruption charges.
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