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« Reply #1775 on: September 21, 2015, 08:05:25 PM »

33. Harry Truman: 1945-1953
34. Robert Taft: 1953-1953
35. Richard Nixon: 1953-1961
36. Nelson Rockefeller: 1961-1963
37. Henry Cabot Lodge: 1963-1965
38. Lyndon Johnson: 1965-1969
39. George Romney: 1969-1977
40. Robert F. Kennedy: 1977-1981
41. George Bush: 1981-1989
42. Gary Hart: 1989-1993
43. Robert Dole: 1993-1997
44. Ann Richards: 1997-2005
45. John Kerry: 2005-2009
46. Rudolph Giuliani: 2009 - Present

Defeated Tickets:
1952: Adlai Stevenson/Este Keafauver
1956: Adlai Stevenson/John F. Kennedy
1960: John F. Kennedy/Hubert Humphrey
1964: Henry Cabot Lodge/Barry Goldwater
1968: Lyndon Johnson/Edmund Muskie
1972: Henry Jackson/George McGovern
1976: Spiro Angew/Gerald Ford
1980: Robert F. Kennedy/Jimmy Carter
1984: Jimmy Carter/Walter Mondale
1988: Jack Kemp/Robert Dole
1992: Gary Hart/Albert Gore
1996: Dan Quayle/William Weld
2000: John McCain/John Sununu
2004: George W. Bush/Richard Cheney
2008: John Kerry/Howard Dean
2012: Howard Dean/Hillary Rodham

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« Reply #1776 on: September 21, 2015, 11:07:37 PM »

Here's a less serious list based on a series of comedy point and click video games I like:

Presidents:

41. George Bush (Republican-Texas) 1989-1997
42. Bob Kerrey (Democrat-Nebraska) 1997-2001
43. Lucas Blush (Republican-Oregon) 2001-2004
44. Fred Thompson (Republican-Tennessee) 2004-2005
45. Max Freelance (Democrat-New York) 2005-2008
46. Donald "Superball" Bradley (Democrat-Virginia) 2008- **


*Went missing and was deemed incapacitated as a result. This was after a multitude of impeachment attempts, with bipartisan support, none of which held legal merit. Known for using the royal "we" in speeches, not caring about his approval ratings, openly making fun of congressional opponents, and referring to the people as his subjects. Widely popular among political bystanders, wildly unpopular with most everyone else. To his credit, correctly predicted the threat of a rogue Egypt and was strong on terror.
**Originally as acting president

Vice presidents

44. Dan Quayle (Republican-Indiana) 1989-1997
45. Al Gore (Democrat-Tennessee) 1997-2001
46. Fred Thompson (Republican-Tennessee) 2001-2004
47. George W. Bush (Republican-Texas) 2004-2005
48. Gordon Spitzer (Democrat-California) 2005 1
  vacant from November 2005- January 2006
49. Donald "Superball" Bradley (Democrat-Virginia) 2006-2008 2
  vacant from May 2008-January 2009. 3
50. Richard A. "Dick" Gephardt (Democrat-Missouri) 2009-

1: Elected while in California, changed residence to New York while in office, originally born in New Jersey. Arrested on criminal charges and impeached shortly before being convicted and sentenced to life imprisonment in October 2005. Died in prison after a heavy object fell on him.
2: Former Secret Service agent and secretary and known for bipartisan savvy. Confirmed by congress in January 2006.
3. Long delay caused by GOP congress refusal to confirm a Vice President, which backfired during the election.

Defeated tickets:

1988: Gary Hart (Democrat-Colorado) / Joe Biden (Democrat-Delaware)
1992: William J. Clinton (Democrat-Arkansas) / Michael Dukakis (Democrat-Massachusetts)
1996: Robert Dole (Republican-Kansas) / Richard Lugar (Republican-Indiana)
2000: Bob Kerrey (Democrat-Nebraska) 1 / Al Gore (Democrat-Tennessee) (incumbents)
2004:
Stanley A. Lincoln (Republican-District of Columbia) 2 / Chuck Tyom (Republican-New Jersey) 3
Ralph Nader (Green-Conneticut) /  Peter Camejo (Green-California) 4
2008:
Mike Huckabee (Republican-Arkansas) / Rick Perry (Republican-Texas)
Gary Johnson (Libertarian-New Mexico) / Bob Barr (Libertarian-Georgia)
PJ "Whizzer" Jenkins (Prohibition-West Dakota) 5 / Gene Amondson (Prohibition-Washington)
2012: Jerald "Peepers" Smathers (Republican-North Dakota) / Chris Christie (Republican-New Jersey)

1. In 1997, President Kerrey gave a federal grant to a tech company doing medical experiments to heal seriously injured animals. Three years later a robotically augmented hyena killed one and caused several injuries in Los Angeles, California.  Outsourcing of American jobs to Russia happened under Kerrey, making him reviled by the base.
2. Lead all polls in June by at least 60% after locking the nomination. Terrible debater and reviled by the south for constantly invoking the name of distant relative Abe Lincoln. Supported a return to "log cabin schools" which meant drastically reducing federal funding. Opposed what he called "NIMBY" legislation which lead to him being labeled as anti-environment, refused to promise a renewal of the Blush tax cuts, and refused to criticize Blush's less popular polices. Two ugly scandals also broke out during his campaign, claims that he was a secret atheist (probably false) and an affair (probably true as he would marry her years after the election). After his defeat he had a temper tantrum and was arrested for disorderly conduct.
3. Died very shortly after the election in an automobile accident. Possible mafia ties.
4. Managed to get more votes than Lincoln, best third party result since 1912. Did not run in 2000, and did poorly in 2008.
5. Wanted to ban alcohol and soda, but managed to get "America's third oldest party" back in major news networks for the first time in probably over 50 years.
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« Reply #1777 on: September 22, 2015, 09:46:13 PM »

Hypothetical: Republicans in office 1981-1993. Have whatever Republican you want in office at that time. Then whatever Democrat you want 1993-2001. 2001-2009 is every Republican again. And so on.
1949-1953: Vice Pres. Harry S. Truman(D-MO)/Gov. Frank Lausche(D-OH)
1953-1961: Sen. John Bricker(R-OH)/Lt. Gov. Goodwin Knight(R-CA)
1961-1969: Gov. Coke Stevenson(D-TX)/Sen. Stuart Symington(D-MO)
1969-1973: Gov. Nelson Rockefeller(R-NY)/Rep. Gerald Ford(R-MI)
1973-1977: Vice Pres. Gerald Ford(R-MI)/Gov. Ronald Reagan(R-CA)
1977-1981: Rep. Morris Udall(D-AZ)/Sen. Edmund Muskie(D-ME)
1981-1989: Sen. Mark Hatfield(R-OR)/Sen. Charles Percy(R-IL)
1989-1993: Sen. John Heinz(R-PA)/Secretary of Defense George H. W. Bush(R-TX)
1993-1997: Sen. Paul Tsongas(D-MA)/Gov. Ann Richards(D-TX)
1997-2001: Vice Pres. Ann Richards(D-TX)/Sen. Joe Biden(D-DE)
2001-2009: Rep. John Kasich(R-OH)/Gov. George Pataki(R-NY)
2009-2017: Gov. Howard Dean(D-VT)/Sen. Evan Bayh(D-IN)
2017-2025: Gov. George P. Bush(R-TX)/Sen. Ben Quayle(R-AZ)

Recent losing tickets:
1988: Gov. Bill Clinton(D-AR)/Rep.
1992: Vice Pres. George H. W. Bush(R-TX)/Gov. William Weld(D-MA)
1996: Sen. Bob Dole(R-KS)/Gov. Jeb Bush(R-FL)
2000: Richards retires; Vice Pres. Joe Biden(D-DE)/Sen. Bill Bradley(D-NJ)
2004: Sen. Al Gore(D-TE)/Gov. Tom Vilsack(D-IA)
2008: Vice Pres. George Pataki(R-NY)/Gov. George W. Bush(R-TX)
2012: Sen. Elizabeth Dole(R-NC)/Gov. Tim Pawlenty(R-MN)
2016:

2000-2020 primaries:
2000:

Republicans:
Rep. John Kasich of Ohio
Sen. John McCain of Arizona
Sen. Elizabeth Dole of North Carolina
Gov. Jeb Bush of Florida
Gov. George Pataki of New York
Sen. Dan Quayle of Indiana
Gov. Frank Murkowski of Alaska
Rep. J. C. Watts of Oklahoma

Democrats:
Vice Pres. Joe Biden of Delaware
Gov. Bill Clinton of Arkansas
Sen. Bill Bradley of New Jersey
Rep. Jesse Jackson, Jr., of Illinois
Sen. Evan Bayh of Indiana
Sen. Barbara Boxer of California
Gov. John Kitzhaber

2004:
Republicans:
President John Kasich of Ohio
Congressman Tom Tancredo of Colorado

Democrats:
Sen. Al Gore
Gov. Howard Dean
Gov. Tom Vilsack
Sen. Evan Bayh of Indiana
Gov. Bill Richardson of New Mexico

2008:
Republicans:

Democrats:
Gov. Howard Dean of Vermont
Sen. Evan Bayh of Indiana
Rep. Jesse Jackson, Jr., of Illinois
Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina
Gov. Jon Corzine of New Jersey
Sen. Barbara Mikulski of Maryland
Sen. Jim Webb of Virginia
Gov. Bill Richardson of New Mexico


Recent elections:
1992: Heinz retires, Bush narrowly defeated
1996: Tsongas died shortly after re-inauguration

TO BE CONTINUED
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« Reply #1778 on: September 22, 2015, 10:18:47 PM »
« Edited: September 26, 2015, 06:04:24 PM by Bigby »

42. Ross Perot (I - TX)/James Stockdale (I - CA): 1993 - 1997 (1)
43. Pete Wilson (R - CA)/Bob Inglis (R - SC): 1997 - 2005
44. Evan Bayh (D - IN)/Bill Richardson (D - NM): 2005 - 2013
45. Ron White (I - TX)/Gary Johnson (R - NM): 2013 - Present (2)

Notes:

1. President Perot was almost killed in a bomb explosion. While he survived, he considered himself too injured to run for a second term and declined to run again. He was friendlier to the GOP and his Reform movement strongly influenced the Wilson campaign.
2. Texas Governor Ron White re-ignites the Reform Movement and forms a coalition with the Republican Party. It is unknown if he will become a Republican, remain unaffiliated, or form a new party.

Bonus: Texas Gubernatorial History

Anne Richards: 1991 - 1999
David Dewhurst: 1999 - 2007
Ron White: 2007 - 2013 (Resigned to assume the Presidency)
Kinky Friedman: 2013 - 2015
John Cornyn: 2015 - Present
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« Reply #1779 on: September 26, 2015, 02:40:17 PM »

39. Jimmy Carter (Democrat-Georgia) 1977-1981
40. George Bush (Republican-Texas) 1981-1989
41. Walter Mondale (Democrat-Minnesota) 1989-1997
42. Mario Cuomo (Democrat-New York) 1997-2001

43. George W. Bush (Republican-Texas) 2001-2009
44. Hillary R. Clinton (Democrat-New York) 2009-2017
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« Reply #1780 on: September 27, 2015, 12:42:40 AM »

1953-1961: General Dwight Eisenhower(R-NY)/Sen. John Bricker(R-OH)
1952: Gov. Adlai Stevenson/Sen. Jon Sparkman
1956: Sen. John Sparkman/Sen. Lyndon Johnson

1961-1969: Vice Pres. John Bricker(R-OH)/Gov. Goodwin Knight(R-CA)
1960: Sen. John F. Kennedy/Mayor John Lindsay , Sen. Strom Thurmond/Gov. Orval Faubus
1964: Gov. Coke Stevenson/Sen. Frank Lausche

1969-1975: Rep. Mo Udall(D-AZ)/Sen. Edmund Muskie(D-ME)*
1968: Gov. Theodore Agnew/Rep. Gerald Ford
1972: Rep. George H. W. Bush/Gov. Ronald Reagan

Sec of Defense: Sen Stuart Symington[1969-1977], Sec of Interior: Sen Stewart Udall[1969-1977]

1975-1981: Vice Pres. Edmund Muskie(D-ME)/Sen. Fred Harris(D-OK)
1976: Sen. Bob Dole/Rep. John Anderson

1981-1989: Sen. Charles Percy(R-IL)/Sen. Mark Hatfield(R-OR)
1980: Vice Pres. Fred Harris/Gov. Jimmy Carter
1984: Sen. Birch Bayh/Director Sargent Shriver

Secretary of State: Charles Matthias[1981-1993]

1989-1993: Vice Pres. Mark Hatfield(R-OR)/Rep. Jack Kemp(R-NY)
1988: Sen. Bill Bradley/Gov. Bill Clinton

1993-2001: Gov. Howard Dean(D-VT)/Gov. Jerry Brown(D-CA)
1992: Gen. Colin Powell/Adm. James Stockdale
1996: Sen. Ross Perot/Mayor Rudy Guiliani

2001-2009: Rep. John Kasich(R-OH)/Sen. Niki Tsongas(D-MA)
2000: Sen. Al Gore/Gov. Mario Cuomo
2004: Mayor David Dinkins/Sen. Tom Vilsack

2009-2017: Gov. Deval Patrick(D-MA)/Sen. Joe Biden(D-DE)
2008: Gov. George Pataki/Sen. Elizabeth Dole
2012: Sen. Jim Webb/Sen. Evan Bayh

Secretary of Housing and Urban Development: David Dinkins[2009-2017]

2017-2021: Gov. Dan Boren(D-OK)/Sen. Angus King(D-ME)
Gov. Brian Sandoval/Sen. Tim Scott

2021-2029: Sen. Cory Gardner(R-CO)/ Gov. Marco Rubio(R-FL)
2020: Sen. Chris Murphy(D-CT)/Rep. Jared Polis(D-CO)
2024: Rep. Joe P. Kennedy III(D-MA)/Gov. Jared Pols(D-CO)

2029-2033: Gov. Jared Polos(D-CO)/Sen. Andre Carson(D-IN)
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« Reply #1781 on: September 30, 2015, 03:37:56 PM »

George W. Bush (R-TX)*/Dick Cheney (R-WY) 2001-2001
Dick Cheney (R-WY)**/Vacant, John Kasich (R-OH) 2001-2003
John Kasich (R-OH)/Vacant, Fred Thompson (R-TN) 2003-2005
Howard Dean (D-VT)/Wesley Clark (D-AR) 2005-2009
John Kasich (R-OH)/J.C. Watts (R-OK) 2009-2017
Hillary Clinton (D-NY)/Barack Obama (D-IL) 2017-2021
J.C. Watts (R-OK)/Rand Paul (R-KY) 2021-2025
Barack Obama (D-IL)/Kristen Gillibrand 2025-2033
Justin Amash (R-MI)/Marco Rubio (R-FL) 2033-?
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« Reply #1782 on: September 30, 2015, 04:23:32 PM »

Taylor's War
President Zachary Taylor avoids a fatal encounter with a slice of cherry pie in the summer of 1850 and survives to sign the Wilmot Proviso into law. An enraged South secedes from the Union, prompting the American Civil War (1850-1857), which ends in Northern victory. President William H. Seward subsequently secures the passage of the 13th Amendment, abolishing slavery in the United States. President Charles Sumner's attempt to grant former slaves receive full civil rights results in his assassination, however, and freedmen do not attain equal legal status with whites until the administration of James Garfield. Meanwhile, the second party system survives to see the present day, with pro-business, socially conservative, anti-war Whigs competing against progressive, pro-military Democrats.

12. Zachary Taylor [Whig] March 4, 1849-March 4, 1857
13. William H. Seward [Whig] March 4, 1857-March 4, 1865
14. Charles Sumner [Whig] March 4, 1865-August 9, 1868
15. Abraham Lincoln [Whig] August 9, 1868-March 4, 1869
16. Samuel Tilden [Democratic] March 4, 1869-March 4, 1873
17. Thomas A. Hendricks [Democratic] March 4, 1873-March 4, 1877
18. James Garfield [Whig] March 4, 1877-March 4, 1885
19. Grover Cleveland [Democratic] March 4, 1885-March 4, 1889
20. James G. Blaine [Whig] March 4, 1889-March 4, 1897
21. James A. Roosevelt [Democratic] March 4, 1897-March 4, 1901
22. William McKinley [Whig] March 4, 1901-March 4, 1909
23. William J. Bryan [Democratic] March 4, 1909-March 4, 1917
24. Thomas R. Marshall [Democratic] March 4, 1917-March 4, 1921
25. Herbert Hoover [Whig] March 4, 1921-March 4, 1929
26. Charles Curtis [Whig] March 4, 1929-March 4, 1933
27. Huey P. Long [Democratic] March 4, 1933-September 10, 1935
28. Franklin D. Roosevelt [Democratic] September 10, 1935-April 12, 1945
29. Alben W. Barkley [Democratic] April 12, 1945-January 20, 1949
30. Robert A. Taft [Whig] January 20, 1949-January 20, 1953
31. George Marshall [Democratic] January 20, 1953-October 10, 1959
32. Estes Kefauver [Democratic] October 10, 1959-January 20, 1965
33. George Romney [Whig] January 20, 1965-January 20, 1969
34. Richard M. Nixon [Whig] January 20, 1969-January 20, 1973
35. Ronald Reagan [Democratic] January 20, 1973-January 20, 1981
36. John Anderson [Whig] January 20, 1981-January 20, 1989
37. Mario Cuomo [Democratic] January 20, 1989-January 20, 1993
38. Sandra Day O'Connor [Whig] January 20, 1993-January 20, 2001
39. Condoleezza Rice [Whig] January 20, 2001-January 20, 2005
40. John Edwards [Democratic] January 20, 2005-January 20, 2009
41. Colin Powell [Whig] January 20, 2009-present
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« Reply #1783 on: October 12, 2015, 03:08:42 PM »

41. William J. Clinton (Democrat-Arkansas)/Paul Tsongas (Democrat-Massachusetts) January 20th, 1989-September 17th, 1995
42. Paul Tsongas (Democrat-Massachusetts)/Albert Gore Jr. (Democrat-Tennessee) September 17th, 1995-January 18th, 1997
43. Albert Gore Jr. (Democrat-Tennessee)/Joseph I. Lieberman (Democrat-Connecticut) January 18th, 1997-January 20th, 2001

44. Donald J. Trump (Republican-New York)/James Webb (Republican-Virginia) January 20th, 2001-January 20th, 2013
45. James Webb (Republican-Virginia)/Larry Pressler (Republican-South Dakota) January 20th, 2013-Present


One could classify the period from roughly 1974 to 2000 as the Neo-Liberal Ascendance. Presidents on both the right and the left provided for deregulation of both economy and culture. President Reagan's pardoning of illegal immigrants in 1986, meanwhile, paved the way for greater cross-border migration and the metaphorical flooding of America's South-West with new arrivals from Latin America. President Clinton's difficult re-election in a three-way race that included Ross Perot's independent candidacy, his loss of Congress in '94, and his subsequent impeachment over issues related to marital infidelity seemed to be building to a steam for the 1996 election. Nevertheless, the Reform Party sank out of existence and Vice President Gore was elected narrowly against Senator Mitt Romney (R-MA); the two major party candidates had few tangible differences on healthcare, pollution, technology, guns, and trade. Nevertheless, the "Gay 90's" were not to last. Multiple terrorist against US military installations and embassies, the decay of the industrial and manufacturing sector, rising unemployment, and the stratification in favor of Wall Street and Silicon Valley left a significant chunk of the American electorate ready for a hero. The illustrious Donald J. Trump would suffice. Following his landslide election against President Gore, "The Donald" proceeded to lead the United States into the 21st Century--and what a century it was. The United States, while having regained much of its manufacturing capacity by the year 2015, has alienated its allies world-round and withdrawn from the world stage. The Republican Party, buoyed by repeated chants of "Make America Great Again", has managed to survive election after election. Meanwhile, the Democrats, reduced to urban centers are practically a minor party based in identity politics, college campuses, "the arts", and multi-culturalism. Without President Trump's masterful grip on the media and politicking ability, it looks like Webb may be the first elected Republican President to go down to defeat since Herbert Hoover. Nevertheless, with the 22nd Amendment a thing of the past, there's always a chance that The Donald could step in to save the day. The greatest threat to the Republican Party's grip on power has not come from the Democrats, but from their own ranks. Even former "movement conservatives" such as John Kasich have linked arms with liberals like Lincoln Chafee to oppose the autocracy.
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« Reply #1784 on: October 12, 2015, 05:51:57 PM »

38. Gerald R. Ford (1974-1981)
39. Edward “Ted” Kennedy (1981-1983)
40. Sargent Shriver (1983-1985)

41. Bob Dole (1985-1993)
42. Bob Kerrey (1993-2001)
43. John McCain (2001-2005)
44. Bob Graham (2005-2013)
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« Reply #1785 on: October 12, 2015, 07:13:16 PM »

Hamilton's Empire

PRESIDENTS of the UNITED STATES (First Republic)
1. George Washington [Independent] 1789-1797
2. Thomas Pinckney [Federalist] 1797-1803

EMPERORS of the UNITED STATES (First Empire)
1. Alexander I   1803-1835 (House of Hamilton)
2. Alexander II  1835-1848 (House of Hamilton)

PRESIDENTS of the AMERICAN CONGRESS (Second Republic)
1. Charles Francis Adams [Republican] 1848-1849
2. Henry Clay [Republican] 1849-1850
(1.) Charles Francis Adams [Republican] 1850-1851
3. Alexander Stephens [Republican] 1851-1852
(1.) Charles Francis Adams [Republican] 1852-1853
4. William H. Seward [Moderate] 1853-1854
5. John C. Crittenden [Moderate] 1854-1855
(1.) Charles Francis Adams [Republican] 1855-1856
6. Winfield Scott [Monarchist] 1856-1857
(4.) William H. Seward [Moderate] 1857-1858
(6.) Winfield Scott [Monarchist] 1858-1859
7. Millard Fillmore [Monarchist] 1859-1860

EMPERORS of the UNITED STATES (Second Empire)
1. Winfield   1860-1868 (House of Scott)
2. Robert   1868-1870 (House of Lee)
3. George   1870-1909 (House of Lee)

CONSULS of the UNITED STATES (Third Republic)
1. Ida Tarbell [Reform] 1909-1914
2. Thomas R. Marshall [Reform] 1914-1919
3. Robert M. La Follette [Reform] 1919-1924
4. Theodore Roosevelt, Jr. [Conservative] 1924-1929
5. Arthur Vandenberg [Conservative] 1929-1934
6. Eleanor Roosevelt [Reform] 1934-1939
7. Harold Stassen [Conservative] 1939-1944
8. Thomas Dewey [Reform] 1944-1949
9. Estes Kefauver [Reform] 1949-1952

PRESIDENTS of the UNITED STATES (Fourth Republic)
1. Joseph McCarthy [National] 1952-1968

CONSULS of the UNITED STATES (Fifth Republic)
10. Martin Luther King, Jr. [People's] 1968-1973
11. Hubert H. Humphrey [People's] 1973-1978
12. George Romney [Democratic] 1978-1983
13. Walter Mondale [People's] 1983-1988
14. John Anderson [Democratic] 1988-1993
15. Robert Dole [Democratic] 1993-1998
16. H. Ross Perot [Justice] 1988-2003
17. John McCain [Democratic] 2003-2007
18. Hillary Rodham [Democratic] 2007-2013
19. Howard Dean [Justice] 2013-present

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The First Republic   Alexander Hamilton's plot to elect Thomas Pinckney president over John Adams succeeds. The compliant Pinckney (reelected due to underhanded maneuvers in the New York legislature) appoints Hamilton General of the Armies in 1798. Following his victorious conquest of French Louisiana, Hamilton is installed as Emperor Alexander I in 1803.
The First Empire   Alexander's reign passes smoothly, as Westward expansion and economic industrialization bring prosperity to the young nation. Upon his death in 1835, his son - Alexander II - assumes the throne. This Alexander, however, lacks his father's political savy, and he is ousted by a republican revolution in 1848.
The Second Republic    Wary of strong executive power, the new republican leaders replace the Emperor with a president chosen annually by a the new, democratically-elected Congress. Though the government starts out with high hopes, the restraints placed on the new government render it ineffective, allowing the Monarchists to reclaim power in the late 1850s. After soundly defeating the Republicans in the 1860 election, the Monarchists abolish Congress and reinstate the Empire.
The Second Empire   The new Empire lasts the remainder of the 19th Century, and sees strong leadership under Emperors Winfield (House of Scott) and Robert (House of Lee). Emperor George, who takes power following his father's death in 1870, is widely respected by the powers of Europe, but his opposition to liberal reforms in the early 20th century earns him the enmity of the growing progressive movement. Under intense pressure, he abdicates in 1909, inaugurating the Third Republic.
The Third Republic   Having learned from the mistakes of 1848, the new republicans establish a strong but democratic national government, headed by a consul elected to a five-year term. The republican Reform Party dominates the political scene through much of the period, leading the country through the First World War and the economically prosperous 1930s, but falls out of favor with the rise of international Communism and the Red Scare. Amidst allegations of illegal activities, Consul Estes Kefauver is forced to resign in 1952, giving way to the regime of Joseph McCarthy.
The Fourth Republic   Established amidst fears that the government was overrun by Communist spies, the short-lived "Fourth Republic" was anything but. In 1952, Congress abolished the office of Consul and replaced it with an all-powerful presidency. In what is now regarded as a sham election, anti-Communist firebrand Joseph McCarthy was chosen to fill the office. McCarthy abolished Congress the following year and declared himself president for life in 1954. Initially popular, McCarthy's civil rights abuses and suppression of democratic activists led to his ouster in 1968.
The Fifth Republic   With McCarthy out of power, the nation returned to the Constitution of 1909, with democratic activist Martin Luther King as the new Consul. With the onset of the Great Recession in 2008, the governing Democratic Party - in power for the better part of a decade - lost the 2013 election to Howard Dean's left-populist Justice Party.
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« Reply #1786 on: October 28, 2015, 12:43:46 PM »

Hillary Clinton1 2017-2022 / Terry McAuliffe 2017-2021
Paul Ryan2 2022-2025 / Jeb Bush 2022-2025
Jason Carter3 2025-2029 / Amy Klobuchar 2025-2029
Dave Brat4 2029-2037 / George P. Bush 2029-2037

1Longtime political veteran prevails over a favorite of organized labor and an unconventional candidate frustrated with political correctness, eight years after her close loss to a minority Senator with comparatively little political experience.
2After the indictment and resignation of the Vice-President for bribery charges, and the impeachment of the President for a political cover-up, the Speaker of the House ascends to the Presidency, picking a failed centrist candidate from a prominent political family as a caretaker Vice-President.
3 The failed 2014 Georgia gubernatorial nominee against all odds wins a longshot bid for the Democratic nomination, then rides a poor economy, frustration with Washington, and Ryan and Bush's gaffes into the White House.
4 After four years of malaise, the nation turns to a professor-turned-politician, who after a nasty primary battle picks a George Bush to be Vice-President.
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« Reply #1787 on: October 28, 2015, 01:41:27 PM »

1. George Washington [Independent]/Thomas Jefferson [Democratic-Republican] (1789-1797)
2. Thomas Jefferson [D-R]/Thomas Pinckney [Federalist] (1797-1801)
3. John Adams/Rufus King [Fed] (1801-1809)
4. George Clinton/Elbridge Gerry [D-R] (1809-1812)
5. Elbridge Gerry/Henry Clay [D-R] (1812-1814)
6. Henry Clay/John Quincy Adams [D-R] (1814-1825)
7. John Quincy Adams/John Calhoun [National Republican] (1825-1833)
8. Andrew Jackson/Martin Van Buren [Democratic] (1833-1837)
9. William Henry Harrison/John Tyler [National](1837-1841)
10. Richard Mentor Johnson/Littleton Tazewell [Democratic] (1841-1849)
11. Lewis Cass/William Butler (49-50), James Buchanan (50-57) [Democratic] (1849-1857)
12. James Buchanan/John Breckenridge [Democratic] (1857-1861)
13. William Seward/Hannibal Hamlin [National] (1861-1865)
14. Hannibal Hamlin/Andrew Johnson [National Unity] (1865-1869)
15. Charles Sumner/Abraham Lincoln [National] (1869-1874)
16. Abraham Lincoln/William Wheeler [National] (1874-1881)
17. Winfield Scott Hancock/William English [Democratic] (1881-1886)
18. William English/Vacant [Democratic] (1886-1889)
19. John Sherman/Levi Morton [National] (1889-1897)
20. Richard Bland/William Jennings Bryan [Democratic] (1897-1899)
21. William Jennings Bryan/Adlai Stevenson [Democratic] (1899-1905)
22. Theodore Roosevelt/Charles Lancaster [National] (1905-1913)
23. Champ Clark/John Burke [Democratic] (1913-1921)
24. Robert LaFollette/John Pershing [National] (1921-1925)
25. John Pershing/Calvin Coolidge [National] (1925-1933)
26. Calvin Coolidge/John Blaine [National] (1933)
27. John Blaine/Theodore Roosevelt, III [National] (1933-1934)
28. Theodore Roosevelt, III/Robert Taft [National] (1934-1941)
29. Cordell Hull/Millard Tydings [Democratic] (1941-1949)
30. Harold Stassen/Everett Dirksen [Reform] (1949-1957)
31. Joe Foss/Prescott Bush [Reform] (1957-1961)
32. L. Baines Johnson/John F. Kennedy (61-63), Hubert Humphrey (63-69) [Democratic] (1961-1969)
33. Edward Brooke/George Romney [Reform] (1969-1973)
34. Scoop Jackson/Fred Harris [Democratic] (1973-1981)
35. Howard Baker/Pete DuPont [Reform] (1981-1989)
36. Pete DuPont/Bill Janklow [Reform] (1989-1993)
37. Mario Cuomo/Bill Graham [Democratic] (1993-2001)
38. Bill Graham/Cecil Andrus [Democratic] (2001-2005)
39. Christine Todd Whitman/Gary Johnson [Reform] (2005-2013)
40. Gary Johnson/Paul Ryan [Reform] (2013-2021)
41. Tulsi Gabbard/Edward Markey [Democratic] (2021-2025)
42. Rand Paul/Cynthia Coffman [Reform] (2025-2033)
43. Joseph Kennedy/Tammy Duckworth [Democratic] (2033-2036)
44. Tammy Duckworth/Patrick Murphy [Democratic] (2036-2041)
45. Justin Amash/George P. Bush (41-45), Lee Zeldin (45-46) [Reform] (2041-2046)
46. Lee Zeldin/Saira Blair [Reform] (2046-2049)
47. Juaquin James Malphurs/Ritchie Torres [Democratic] (2049-2053)
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« Reply #1788 on: October 28, 2015, 01:42:20 PM »

Hillary Clinton1 2017-2022 / Terry McAuliffe 2017-2021
Paul Ryan2 2022-2025 / Jeb Bush 2022-2025
Jason Carter3 2025-2029 / Amy Klobuchar 2025-2029
Dave Brat4 2029-2037 / George P. Bush 2029-2037

1Longtime political veteran prevails over a favorite of organized labor and an unconventional candidate frustrated with political correctness, eight years after her close loss to a minority Senator with comparatively little political experience.
2After the indictment and resignation of the Vice-President for bribery charges, and the impeachment of the President for a political cover-up, the Speaker of the House ascends to the Presidency, picking a failed centrist candidate from a prominent political family as a caretaker Vice-President.
3 The failed 2014 Georgia gubernatorial nominee against all odds wins a longshot bid for the Democratic nomination, then rides a poor economy, frustration with Washington, and Ryan and Bush's gaffes into the White House.
4 After four years of malaise, the nation turns to a professor-turned-politician, who after a nasty primary battle picks a George Bush to be Vice-President.


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« Reply #1789 on: October 28, 2015, 02:11:51 PM »
« Edited: October 28, 2015, 02:29:18 PM by ExtremeRepublican »

Gore wins in 2000:

43. Al Gore(D-TN)/Joe Lieberman (D-CT) (2001-2005)
44. John McCain (R-AZ)/ Mitt Romney (R-MA) (2005-2009)- Barack Obama never holds elected office beyond the Illinois State Senate
45. Hillary Clinton (D-NY)/ John Kerry (D-MA) (2009-2017)
46. Marco Rubio (R-FL)/ Susana Martinez (R-NM) (2017-2025)
47. Susana Martinez (R-NM)/Bill Haslam (R-TN) (2025-2029)
48. Julian Castro (D-NM)/Ruben Gallego (D-AZ) (2029-2033)
49. Ted Cruz (R-TX)/Tom Cotton (R-AR) (2033-2041)
50. Joe Smith** (D-MI)/Joyce Li** (D-CA) (2041-2049)

Kerry wins in 2004:
44. John Kerry (D-MA)/John Edwards (D-NC) (2005-2009)
45. Mitt Romney (R-MA)/Rick Perry (R-TX) (2009-2017)
46. Rick Perry (R-TX)/Scott Walker (R-WI) (2017-2021)

47. Joe Manchin (P-WV)/Bob Casey (P-PA) (2021-2029)
48. Luis Fortuno (R-PR)/Ronald Reagan III** (R-TX) (2029-2037)
49. Ruben Gallego (S-AZ)/Joe Jones*** (S-VT) (2037-2041)
50. Justin Amash (L-MI)/Rand Paul's kid (L-KY) (2041-2049)
51. (P-NC)/(P-MO) (2049-2053)
52. (TCP-TX)/(TCP-MS) (2053-20610

After the splintering of the Democratic Party during the Perry administration, the Populist and Socialist parties emerge, with the Populists siding with Republicans on most social issues.  Then, Ruben Gallego, the first Socialist president, prompts Amash to run as a fourth-party candidate and win in a very divided election (the constitution had been amended to allow a minority of the EC to win the election).  Republicans are furious and rebrand the Republican Party the True Conservative Party, making for a fourth main party.
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« Reply #1790 on: November 02, 2015, 01:49:49 PM »

I keep rehashing this idea. Urgh.

37. Richard M. Nixon (Republican-New York)/Spiro T. Agnew (Republican-Maryland) January 20th, 1969-January 20th, 1973
38. Robert F. Kennedy (Democrat-New York)/George S. McGovern (Democrat-South Dakota) January 20th, 1973-November 22nd, 1973
39. George S. McGovern (Democrat-South Dakota)/Thomas Eagleton (D-MO) November 22nd, 1973-January 20th, 1981

40. Spiro T. Agnew (Republican-Maryland)/George H.W. Bush (Republican-Texas) January 20th, 1981-August 7th, 1986
41. George H.W. Bush (Republican-Texas)/Howard H. Baker Jr. (Republican-Tennessee) August 7th, 1986-January 20th, 1989

42. Gary Hart (Democrat-Colorado)/William Jefferson Clinton (Democrat-Arkansas) January 20th, 1989-January 20th, 1997
43. William Jefferson Clinton (Democrat-Arkansas)/John F. Kerry (Democrat-Massachusetts) January 20th, 1997-January 20th, 2001

44. James Webb (Republican-Virginia)/Tom Ridge (Republican-Pennsylvania) January 20th, 2001-January 20th, 2005
45. Howard Dean (Democrat-Vermont)/Larry Pressler (Democrat-South Dakota) January 20th, 2005-January 20th, 2009
46. James Webb (Republican-Virginia)/Charles Hagel (Republican-Nebraska) January 20th, 2009-January 20th, 2013
47. Charles Hagel (Republican-Nebraska)/Richard Santorum (Republican-Pennsylvania) January 20th, 2013-Present
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« Reply #1791 on: November 06, 2015, 09:53:23 AM »

43. Dick Gephardt/Jesse Jackson (2001-2005)
44. George W. Bush/Colin Powell (Jan-Mar), Dick Cheney (Mar-May), (Jan 2005-May 2005)
45. Dick Cheney/Don Nickles (05-09), Mark Sanford (09-11), Haley Barbour (11-13) (May 2005-2013)
46. Haley Barbour/Rob Portman (2013-2017)
47. Rob Portman/Marco Rubio (17-21), Kelly Ayotte (21-25), (2017-2025)
48. Kelly Ayotte/Doug Ducey (2025-2029)

49. Cheri Bustos/Jeff Bezos (2029-?)
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« Reply #1792 on: November 08, 2015, 01:28:26 PM »

Sweet Home Alabama

35. John F. Kennedy (D-Massachusetts) 1961-631
36. Lyndon B. Johnson (D-Texas) 1963-69
37. Hubert H. Humphrey (D-Minnesota) 1969-732
38. George C. Wallace (D-Alabama) 1973-773
39. Mark Hatfield (R-Oregon) 1977-814
40. George C. Wallace (D-Alabama) 1981-855
41. George H.W. Bush (R-Texas) 1985-896
42. Ed Koch (D-New York) 1989-937
43. Jerry Brown (R-California) 1993-978
44. Al Gore (D-Tennessee) 1997-20019
45. Bill Bradley (R-New Jersey) 2001-0510
46. Donald Trump (D-New York) 2005-1311
47. Hillary Rodham (R-Illinois) 2013-2112
48. James Snell (R-Ohio) 2021-25*13
49. Matthew McLaughlin (D-New York) 2025-29* 14
50. Erin M. Warner (R-Florida) 2029-33* 15
51. Sofia Mendez (Labor-North Carolina) 2033-37* 16
52. Matthew McLaughlin (D-New York) 2037-41*
53. Robert McLaughlin (D-New York) 2041-49* 17
54. Mable Rogers (L-Georgia) 2049-53* 18
55. Nicole Boyer (Democratic/Conservative-Tennessee)  2053-61* 19
56. Isaac McLaughlin (D-New York) 2061-65* 20
57. Augusta Turney (U-Virignia) 2065-68* 21
58. Alvin Beasley (Communist-New York) 2068-69* 22

Defeated candidates
1960: Richard Nixon (R-California)
1964: Barry Goldwater (R-Arizona)
1968: Richard Nixon (R-California), George Wallace (American Independent-Alabama), Eldridge Cleaver (Peace and Freedom-California)
1972: George Romney (R-Michigan), Benjamin Spock (People's-California)
1976: George Wallace (D-Alabama)
1980: Mark Hatfield (R-Oregon), Gore Vidal (Liberal-New York), various candidates (Socialist Workers Party)
1984: Henry Jackson (D-Washington)
1988: George H.W. Bush (R-Texas)
1992: Ed Koch (D-New York), John Sweeney (Labor-New York)
1996: Jerry Brown (R-California), John Sweeney (L-New York)
2000: Al Gore (D-Tennessee), Pat Robertson (Dominionist-Virginia), Pete Camejo (L-California)
2004: Bill Bradley (R-New Jersey)
2008: Barack Obama (R-Hawaii)
2012: Harold Ford (D-Tennessee)
2016: Jim Webb (D-Virginia)
2020: David J. Larson (D-Louisiana)*, William B. Ashworth (Labor-California)*, Robert L. Healy (American Section of the Fifth International-Alabama)*
2024: Matthew McLaughlin (D-New York)*
2028: Matthew McLaughlin (D-New York)*
2032: Matthew McLaughlin (D-New York)*, Erin M. Warner (R-Florida)*
2036: Sofia Mendez (L-North Carolina)*, Larry Hendrix (R-California)*, Alexis Fitzgerald (ASFI-Minnesota)*
2040: Clara Martinez (L-New Jersey)*
2044: Rose Trejo (L-Florida)*, Gerald Loftin (ASFI-New York)*
2048: Bill Black (D-California)*, Steve Kimborough (True Labor-Florida)*
2052: Catherine Maguire (Labor/New Democratic-California)*, Walter Johnson (True Labor/Socialist/Bloc Quebecois-Texas)*, Jacob Boyd (Liberal/New Republican/-Ontario)*1
2056: Miranda Richardson (Communist-Ohio)*, Mable Rogers (Unionist-Georgia)*
2060: Frank Griffin (C-Texas)*, John Jones (U-Pennsylvania)*, Tiffany Cozart (Free Democrat-Virginia)*
2064: Evelyn Evans (U-Maryland)*

*Fictional person.
1Canadian parties had yet to merge with their US counterparts by the time of the 2052 election, which is why candidates were endorsed on multiple tickets. Mergers would be complete by the time of the 2056 Presidential Elections. In 2052, the Canadian Conservatives endorsed Democratic candidate Nicole Boyer for President.
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« Reply #1793 on: November 08, 2015, 01:29:29 PM »

Footnotes:

*Fictional person.
1Assassinated.
2You thought 1968 was a clusterf**k in real life? Well here it's worse. Johnson doesn't stop the bombing, Humphrey doesn't tack to the center on the war, the AFL-CIO campaign to discredit Wallace in the North falls flat with worse riots than IOTL, Nixon's machinations at the Paris Peace Talks come out in the open, etc, etc. When the smoke clears on election day, George Wallace carries all of the South (including the 'border states'), Peace and Freedom gets 2 percent of the vote, and no one is happy, because the whole race gets thrown to the House and the Senate. Wallace holds the balance of power (as he wanted all along) and uses it to try and get a better deal from Humphrey and Nixon in terms of calling off busing and/or maintaining the war effort. In the end, party unity prevails and Southern Democrats vote for Humphrey, but only with guarantees that effectively end busing and limit the scope of any welfare spending that the Hump might attempt during his time in office. The 1970 midterm elections see a wave of anti-war Democrats and third party candidates elected (for the first time since before the Depression), labor unrest as vets return home, and Republicans picking up some seats themselves as a result of vote splitting. By 1972, the war is still going strong and the U.S. has effectively found it's way into conflict not only in Vietnam, but also in Laos and in Cambodia. Humphrey, seeing the writing on the wall, decides not to seek another term as President in 1972.
3Wallace defeats a divided and demoralized liberal wing of his own party, capitalizing on social unrest and military defeat to sweep to victory at the Democratic Convention in Miami. Republicans make a mistake in nominating liberal George Romney, who, although he manages to win some degree of support from white-collar professionals opposed to the war, completely destroys the Republicans' shaky credibility with populist-inclined Northern working class voters, most of whom jump at the chance to vote for Wallace. The left, fresh off of a relative strong showing in 1968 and 1970, supports Benjamin Spock for President, who does worse (relatively speaking) than Cleaver had done in 1968, garnering only about 1.5 percent of the popular vote and carrying no states. Wallace's term sees a rollback of much of the 60s social legislation but a marked increase in welfare spending, as well as the President scrapping, once and for all, college deferments for the draft, leading to renewed opposition from the campus left. Inflation grips the economy and gives the Republicans a new lease on life in the 1974 midterm elections, which sees them capture both chambers of Congress for the first time since 1952. By the end of his term, Wallace is slashing welfare and public spending to combat inflation, and by 1975, Congress forces Wallace's hand, eliminating funding for the Indochinese War (as it has come to be known) and forcing withdrawal. Wallace would lose a second term in 1976 by a slim margin, but would campaign on his opposition to the 'defeatist Republican Congress' and 'liberal eggheads'. The United States hadn't seen the last of George Wallace, that's for sure...
4Hatfield pretty much ruins the public goodwill for the first Republican President since the 1950s by continuing (and deepening) austerity, which hits hard with the final cessation of military spending and the end to U.S. combat operations in Indochina (which is now teeming with Communists, of course). The economy pretty much falls apart while the President attempts to push through his ecological-oriented agenda (one of the few things historians give him credit for), leading to widespread labor unrest and renewed political activism, this time mostly among those youth unable to find jobs in the 'Hatfield economy.' In 1978, the Democratic Party sweeps to victory in Congressional elections, attacking Hatfield for presiding over economic stagnation, deindustrialization, and, of course 'for allowing the Soviets to get the upper hand' abroad, noting the recent victory of Soviet-aligned Iranian revolutionaries against the US backed Shah of Iran. The Republican right, likewise upset at Hatfield for failing to go far and deep enough on cuts to 'revitalize' the economy, attempts a primary challenge via Senator George H.W. Bush of Texas, although Hatfield's 'New Republican' base manages to hold off this challenge. It doesn't matter in the end, though. Hatfield is trounced by a resurgent George Wallace, even as liberals split from the Democratic Party (running Congressman Gore Vidal) and the left (via the Socialist Workers Party) manage impressive showings of their own.
5Wallace, upon assuming office for the second time, pledges to "finish what he started," although this time around he faces a different set of problems, from a stagnant economy to a perceived decline in U.S. influence abroad. On the domestic front, Wallace makes clear that he will not tolerate labor unrest, and effectively uses the army to break a nationwide Teamsters strike in 1981, leading to a lot of soul-searching among the less brain-dead elements of the American labor bureaucracy that they might, just might, need to consider not backing the Democrats in 1982. In a further bid to restore profitability, Wallace endorses measures aimed at holding down wages, and actively promotes industrial investment in the low wage, non-union South as a solution to the problem of labor unrest and economic stagnation. In addition to this, Wallace and his Congressional coalition take a hatchet to welfare spending, effectively ending federal guarantees of aid to the poor, while ratcheting up spending on the military in the wake of a perceived Soviet threat abroad. The economy hits rock bottom by 1982, resulting in major losses for the Democrats in the House and Senate, which once again flip to the Republicans. However, by 1984, the economy has largely recovered, and Wallace leaves office with a fairly high approval rating. His two administrations have forever changed the face and the make-up of the Democratic Party, which is less union-dense, more conservative, and much, much whiter than it had been when he initially took control of it in 1972.
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« Reply #1794 on: November 08, 2015, 01:30:06 PM »

Footnotes Part II:

6Bush re-assembles a winning coalition in 1984 from the remnants of the old Democratic coalition, bringing women voters, minorities, and some trade unionists (!) into the Republican fold with the promise of a 'kindler, gentler' America. Continued economic problems, however, lead to buyers' remorse by 1988, ejecting the liberal Republican Party in favor of the Democrats yet again.
7A former liberal turned Wallace Democrat, Koch became the first Jewish President of the United States after a thorough shellacking of George Bush in 1988. As President, Koch continued the 'Wallace doctrine' of support for anti-communist rebels abroad, funding opposition to the Iraqi Revolution in 1990-91, which eventually turned into the U.S. sending troops to Iraq in 1990 to forestall the ouster of Ba'athist forces aligned with the U.S. This quickly became something of a proxy war between the U.S. and the U.S.S.R., with Iraqi Communists receiving aid and support from Moscow. War weariness, combined with a split from the Democrats by labor led to the defeat of the Democrats in 1992.
8Exhibit A in the great transformation of American politics, Jerry Brown started  out as a Democrat but quickly became upset with the trajectory of his party and the election of George Wallace as President in 1972, leading to his switching to the GOP before his election as U.S. Senator in 1982. The consummate 'Hatfield Republican', Brown was interested in ending the War in Iraq, pursuing 'smart' welfare policy, and investing heavily in post-industrial and 'green' economic sectors as President. Under his leadership, the U.S. ended support operations in Iraq (where Communist forces would finally take control after a decade of fighting in 2001) and promoted free trade policies in North America, ostensibly to support U.S. manufacturers. As the brief economic uptick provided by military spending waned, economic problems persisted, leading to a Democratic take-back of Congress in 1994. Although the economy had mostly recovered by 1996, voter fatigue with the erratic Brown would lead to his becoming yet another in a long line of one-term Presidents, no President having won a second term since Eisenhower in 1956.
9Gore was President during a relatively peaceful late 1990s. His big f##k-up was that he was kind of a robot and leaned too much toward the 'liberals' in the Republican Party for the liking of most Democrats, given his relatively pro-ecology voting record in Congress and continuance of the Republicans' green initiatives. Oh, and the patching over of the Sino-Soviet split, which removed whatever advantage the US might have had in playing China against the Soviet Union, causing a row over the 'second loss of China' by a Democratic president in 60 years.
10President when Iraq went Communist (not good for him). Attempted to correct this 'mistake' by intervening in the subsequent Libyan Civil War in 2003, putting U.S. boots on the ground against the Iraqi/Iranian-backed communists. Also not good for him. Whatever social agenda he had (attempts at legalizing same-sex marriage in 2004) met with laughter by a very conservative Democratic Congress. Defeated in a close race in 2004, mostly on account of the fact that the public really didn't care to see Bill Bradley as President a second time, and partly on account of the public being tired of having their sons sent to die in sandy desert countries as part of an anticommunist crusade.
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« Reply #1795 on: November 08, 2015, 01:30:27 PM »

Footnotes Part III (jesus f##k)

11Pledged to 'Make America Great Again' as part of his campaign for President in 2004, winning in spite of the fact that he is Donald f##king Trump. As President, pursued an aggressive anti-Soviet foreign policy, sending more troops to Libya and, for the first time, ending a US proxy war on terms favorable to the US, with the liquidation of the Libyan communists and the establishment of a pro-US military dictatorship. Re-elected in 2008 over 'low energy' Republican wonderkid Barack Obama, established the 'Minutemen' faction of the Democratic Party to purge insufficiently conservative elements from it, resulting in a solidly conservative Congress in 2010 and defeat after defeat for the Republicans. Went on the offensive in 2011, sending U.S. troops to Syria to help Libyan and Egyptian military dictators support one of their own against Iraqi/Iranian backed communist rebels. Left office with high approval ratings, in spite of a not so great economy and ongoing civil war in the Middle East.
12The first woman elected President and the first Republican to have managed to win a second term since Eisenhower. Continued Trump's anti-Soviet policies, although largely abandoned Syria to it's fate when a revolution rocked Saudi Arabia and overthrew the King, leading to the establishment of the Union of Arab Soviet Republics (UASR) in 2014. UASR moved to export it's own social revolution to Oman, Yemen, the UAE, and even into Iraq (which it viewed as Stalinist) and Iran (see Iraq). Managed to create a temporary alliance with the USSR to attempt to suppress the UASR (which it viewed as 'Trotskyite') in 2015, leading to a more or less worldwide effort to stop the UASR. This, however, mostly failed, in spite of USSR sending ground troops for the defense of its allied regimes in Iraq and Iran. By the start of her second term, most countries had given in and more or less recognized the UASR as a permanent fixture (the U.S. would not do this until the 2030s), which now included a large swath of territory and sponsored a 'Fifth International' intent upon bringing about the 'world revolution' (USSR/PRC need not apply).
13James Snell becomes the first Vice President elected President in their own right since...Martin Van Buren. The results aren't much better, either. In spite of (relative) international peace, an upsurge of working class political activity on the homefront leads to labor unrest and division among the Republicans (as well as the Democrats) with a second attempt at a Labor Party shaking things up politically. At least, that's the assumption, before the Democrats are returned to power in 2024...
14The leader of the Minuteman faction of the Democrats and Trump's former Chief of Staff, McLaughlin pursues a policy aimed at destroying 'domestic communism' during his term of office, heightening the security state and cracking down on 'labor radicals.' He is turned out in a close race in 2024, although he succeeds in pushing the fledgling American Section of the Fifth International underground, as well as scaring the newly minted Labor Party into endorsing the Republicans for President.
15Repressive anti-communist legislation backfires, as does repressive anti-labor legislation, which puts the administration on the defensive. It doesn't help that Warner actively tries to privatize what remains of the American Social Safety net (i.e. Social Security), which allows the Labor Party to rise from it's third party status and claim victory in 2032, becoming the first third party to win the Presidency since the Republicans in 1860.
16The first explicitly class-based party in American history has little to show for it's victory in 2032, as it is attacked incessantly by the media. Attempts at strengthening the power of unions to collectively bargain are undermined by a lack of control of Congress and hardcore right-wing reaction, as Minuteman bands attack strikers and go after communists of the left (i.e. the ASFI) and the right (the CPUSA, SWP, etc).
17His father Matthew blocked from seeking another term by the 22nd Amendment, Robert effectively acts as his father's proxy, enacting a laundry-list of Minuteman legislative efforts and effectively breaking the Republican Party in the process, most of which defects to the Democrats, which is moving toward a sort of catch-all, corporatist politics under Minuteman leadership. With the entire Middle East under communist control, energy shortages have led to a pursuit of North American integration by the Minutemen faction, which culminates in a U.S. invasion of Mexico, ostensibly to protect U.S. oil interests following an attempt at re-nationalization by the country's military dictator (formally US aligned but now off the reservation). The war over Mexico explodes tensions within the US, allowing for a brief revival for the radical left as the McLaughlin administration prepares to integrate newly 'democratic' Mexico into the US controlled North American Union.
18Labor flip-flops and supports the integration of Mexico with the rest of North America, choosing one it's most right-leaning members for President in 2048. This leads to a split among the Labor left, who run an anti-integration candidate, Steve Kimborough, for President on the True Labor ticket. Many Labor voters desert the party following it's approval of the Treaty of Tallahassee in 2050, integrating the whole of North America under the purview of the United States of North America, effectively a neo-colonial regime run by U.S. and Canadian capitalists.
19Boyer presided over the 'twilight' of American capitalism, then in terminal decline as a result of successful UASR-backed revolutionary movements elsewhere. None of this was helped by the President's own depressive state, the splitting of the Minutemen from the Democrats (and their subsequent merger with right-wing Labor and reactionary green elements in the new 'Unionist' Party), and the merger of True Labor with revolutionary elements to birth the Communist Party (Fifth Internationalist). Civil war lurked everywhere, but only really effectively broke out in Texas, where Communist and Unionist fighting forced the Boyer administration to declare martial law and send federal troops in, propping up the Unionists by default. She won re-election in 2056 over a divided public, most of which decided that elections weren't worth much and didn't bother to vote. The Democratic Party split between pro-Boyer and anti-Boyer factions in 2060, although in spite of this, they managed to hold onto political power thanks to a hung Electoral College, even though the Communists won a plurality of the popular vote. This encouraged the Communist Party to call for the taking up of arms, which came to a head with the declaration of the United Soviet States of North America in December 2060, as Boyer was exiting office...
20Grandson and son of the previous McLaughlin Presidents, Isaac McLaughlin would have the dubious distinction of, holding office during the Second American Civil War. By 2065, Washington was in the hands of the Communists, and McLaughlin had put a bullet in his head, unwilling to be taken prisoner and stand trial for his role in prosecuting the war.
21Ran on a national unity ticket with McLaughlin in 2064. Full term is disputed, although she claimed the Presidency until her capture (she'd been on the run since 2065) in 2068. Subsequently tried and executed for war crimes.
22Speaker of the House following the restoration of the purged Communist representatives to their elected positions (with the capture of Washington) and unofficial figurehead of the USSA, Beasley was inaugurated in 2068 with the capture of Turney. He would hold office only temporarily, presiding over a constitutional convention that legally dissolved the US in favor of the council-dominated government of the Communist Party.
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« Reply #1796 on: November 08, 2015, 02:36:38 PM »
« Edited: November 08, 2015, 07:36:54 PM by Extrabase500 »

Heres a crazy scenario.

Union of American Socialist Republics (UASS) Vs Russian Democratic Empire/UK.

Leaders of the United States of America / Union of American Socialist Republics / United Federation of America

1910-1917:John D. Rockefeller (Republican) [1]
1917-1918:Theodore Roosevelt (Progressive) [2]
1918:Hiram Johnson (Labor) [3]
1918-1924:Eugene Debs (Communist) [4]
1927-1953:William Z. Foster (Communist) [5]
1953-1954:Norman Thomas (Communist) [6]
1954-1955:Fulgenico Batista (Communist) [7]
1955-1965:Lyndon Johnson (Communist) [8]
1965-1982:Richard Nixon (Communist) [9]
1982-1984:George H.W Bush (Communist) [10]
1984-1985:Pierre Trudeau (Communist) [11]
1985-1992:Walter Mondale (Communist) [12]
1992-2001:Ross Perot (Independent) [13]
2001-2005:Donald Trump (Independent) [14]
2005-2009:Barack Obama (Independent) [15]
2009-:Donald Trump (American Union) [16]
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« Reply #1797 on: November 08, 2015, 06:49:14 PM »
« Edited: November 08, 2015, 07:06:16 PM by Extrabase500 »

JFK Lives

1960:John F. Kennedy (Democrat)
1964:John F. Kennedy (Democrat)
1968:Lyndon Johnson (Democrat)
1972:George W. Romney (Republican)
1976:Jimmy Carter (Democrat)
1980:Ronald Reagan (Republican)
1984:Ronald Reagan (Republican)
1988:Bob Dole (Republican)
1992:Bob Dole (Republican)
1996:Bob Kerry (Democrat)
2000:Bob Kerry (Democrat)
2004:Dick Gephardt (Democrat)
2008:John McCain (Republican)
2012:John McCain (Republican)

Multi Party America
1952:Franklin Pierce (Democrat)
1856:James Buchanan (Democrat)
1860:Abraham Lincoln (Liberal Republican)
1864:Abraham Lincoln (Liberal Republican)
1868:Ulysses S. Grant (Liberal Republican)
1872:Ulysses S. Grant (Liberal Republican)
1876:Horatio Seymour (Democrat)
1880:James A. Garfield (Liberal Republican)
1884:Grover Cleveland (Liberal Republican)
1888:Grover Cleveland (Liberal Republican)
1892:Grover Cleveland (Liberal Republican)
1896:William McKinley (Liberal Republican)
1900:William McKinley (Liberal Republican
1904:Theodore Roosevelt (Liberal Republican)
1908:Howard Taft (Liberal Republican)
1912:William Jennings Bryan (Populist)
1916:Theodore Roosevelt (Nationalist)
1920:Upton Sinclair (Social Democrat)
1924:Upton Sinclair (Social Democrat)
1928:Calvin Coolidge (Liberal Republican)
1932:Charles Curtis (Liberal Republican)
1936:Franklin D. Roosevelt (Social Democrat)
1940:Franklin D. Roosevelt (Social Democrat)
1944:Franklin D. Roosevelt (Socialist)
1948:George Patton (Nationalist)
1952:George Patton (Nationalist)
1956:Robert Taft (Liberal Republican)
1960:John F. Kennedy (Social Democrat)
1964:Barry Goldwater (Liberal Republican)
1968:Barry Goldwater (Liberal Republican)
1972:Richard Nixon (Social Democrat)
1976:Richard Nixon (Social Democrat)
1980:Edward Brooke (Social Democrat)
1984:Ronald Reagan (Liberal Republican)
1988:Ronald Reagan (Liberal Republican)
1992:Jack Kemp (Liberal Republican)
1996:Ross Perot (Reform)
2000:Paul Wellstone (Social Democrat)
2004:John McCain (Liberal Republican)
2008:John McCain (Liberal Republican
2012:Mark Sanford (Libertarian)

Next list, President Long instead of Roosevelt

1932:Huey Long (Democrat)
1936:Huey Long (Democrat)
1940:Huey Long (Democrat)
1944:Huey Long (Democrat)
1948:George Patton (Republican)
1952:George Patton (Republican)
1956:Estes Kefauver (Democrat)
1960:Estes Kefauver (Democrat)
1964:Barry Goldwater (Republican)
1968:Barry Goldwater (Republican)
1972:Robert F. Kennedy (Moderate)
1976:Robert F. Kennedy (Moderate)
1980:Jimmy Carter (Democrat)
1984:Ronald Reagan (Republican)
1988:Ronald Reagan (Republican)
1992:Bob Dole (Republican)
1996:Colin Powell (Moderate)
2000:John McCain (Moderate)
2004:Bob Smith (Republican)
2008:Paul Wellstone (Democrat)
2012:Paul Wellstone (Democrat)
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« Reply #1798 on: November 09, 2015, 02:02:34 AM »

Presidents
45. Donald J. Trump (R-NY) - 2017-2025
46. Bill DeBlasio (D-NY) - 2025-2029
47. Paul Ryan (R-WI) - 2029-2033
48. Benni Jacobs (R-PA) [Fic] - 2033-2037
49. Jessica Schwartz (D-UT) [Fic] - 2037-2045

VP's
48. Nikki Haley (R-SC) - 2017-2020
49. Sam Clovis (R-IA) - 2021-2025
50. Amy Klobuchar (D-MN) - 2025-2029 (snooze)
51. Benni Jacobs (R-PA) [Fic] - 2029-2033
52. Harly Quarles (R-KY) [Fic] - 2033-2037
53. Chelsea Clinton (D-NY) - 2037-2045

2024 Election - For all the yuuuuge successes of The Donald's first term, his second term was a disaster. All of his bad traits caught up to him - his shoot first as questions approach got us in a war with Russia. His spending practices caught up to us, with the debt approaching $50 Trillion. And America is starting to stagnate after years of profound growth. And Trump's successor, Sam Clovis, was not exactly in great shape. After a bruising primary with business class favorite Elise Stefanik, he was forced to put her on the ticket. And Clovis came out profoundly weakened against New York Governor Bill DeBlasio, who won the Democratic primary in very popular fashion, and picked Senate elder Amy Klobuchar to be VP, who had no prior past of saying negative things about the candidate like Stefanik did with Clovis. With Trump's approval ratings hovering at around 20%, Clovis did little to close that gap as a Trump loyalist, and lost in a 45-state landslide, only winning Kentucky, Tennessee, West Virginia, Alabama, and Clovis' home state of Iowa. Disasterous!

2028 Election - Bill DeBlasio, a man of commendable courage and lacking in corrupt practices, proved to be a disaster as President. The problems Trump left for DeBlasio caused his administration to fall apart under the pressure. DeBlasio's diplomatic measures proved to be a mess, the DeBlasio budget proved to be massively unpopular, as it hiked taxes and cut spending to the bone. Liberals had fallen out of DeBlasio's favor, Moderates had, and conservatives already had. DeBlasio faced a potential primary challenge from Keith Ellison, but managed to dodge it. Instead he faced the first business class Republican nominee since 2012, Former House Speaker Paul Ryan, whose time away from politics proved to immensely helpful in his primary victory. To console the Trumpites, including the elder godfather President Donald J. Trump, who had began rising again from the shadows, he picked Pennsylvania Senator Benni Jacobs, a Trumpite and a woman, to the VP. DeBlasio kept the election close, as the economy began slowly picking up and we saw wars across the globe start to end, but his early missteps had already doomed him, with Ryan narrowly winning thanks to the swing state Utah, which hadn't voted Republican since 2016 (A state that is an easy win for Business Class Republicans, a doomed loss for the Trumpites). Turn out was the lowest since 1996.

2032 Election - President Ryan proved to be... not that much better than DeBlasio. His time away from politics proved fatal to his management of the nation, as his plan for tax cuts once again blew up the deficit. And lowering trade barriers proved fatal to the Trump wing, who had given Ryan some level of leniency toward the beginning of his term. They would have none. Vice President Benni Jacobs proved to be the first VP since Thomas Jefferson to challenge a sitting President. She made that allusion often. Ryan, filled with contempt, refused to endorse her after she narrowly edged the President out of her position. She didn't care though - in her years as Vice PResident, she had gone from political outsider to a master politician, and built her own alliances. She stood for unions, she denounced the President's trade deals, she put fellow Trumpite Harley Quarles, Governor of Kentucky, on the ticket. Her Democratic opponent, California Governor Ben Jackson, proved to be the foil she needed. Jackson was as establishment as it got, and showed some sympathy for old school conservative politics like voucher programs and had a certain anti-union sentiment. Jacobs went on the attack hard, and even received some endorsements from union leaders and prominent Democrats despite her strong line on most conservative issues (including illegal immigration). Jacobs won a surprisingly large victory, even as the incumbent Republican voted Democrat for the first time in his life. If you told someone even in 2031 that Benni Jacobs would be the first woman President, they would slap in your face and laugh, but it happened.

2036 - Jacobs was a master political operator... but a disaster as President. Surely enough, she was ousted by a finally competent administration in Schwartz/Clinton.
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« Reply #1799 on: November 14, 2015, 05:59:50 PM »
« Edited: December 14, 2015, 05:42:42 PM by Kingpoleon »

2001-2005: Vice Pres. Al Gore(D-TE)/Fmr. Sen. Sam Nunn(D-GA)
Def.: 2000: Gov. George W. Bush(R-TX)/Sen. John Danforth(R-MO), Author Ralph Nader(Reform/G-CT)/Environmentalist Peter Camejo(Reform/G-CA)

2005-2013: Sen. John McCain(R-AZ)/Gov. George Pataki(R-NY)
Def.: 2004: Al Gore(D-TE)/Sam Nunn(D-GA), Lawyer Ralph Nader(Reform/G-CT)/Activist David Cobb(Reform/G-TX), 2008: Sen. Joe Lieberman(D-CT)/Sen. Evan Bayh(D-IN), Activist David Cobb(Reform/G-TX)/Fmr Rep. Cynthia McKinney(G-GA)

2012:

226: Sen. Susan Collins(R-ME)/Gov. Condoleeza Rice(R-CA)
226: Gov. Beverly Perdue(R-NC)/Sen. James Webb(D-VA)
086: Tossup

2013: Beverly Perdue(R-NC)/James Webb(D-VA)

2013-2017: James Webb(D-VA)/Gov. Jim Cooper(D-TE)

2017-2025: Gov. Condoleezza Rice(R-CA)/Sen. Angus King(R-ME)
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