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« Reply #1850 on: February 17, 2016, 10:18:34 PM »


List continued from above. This will chronicle the period dating from the establishment of the United Socialist States of America in 2054 onward.

Presidents of the American Congress of Workers' Councils
1. Lori Ames-Olsen (Socialist-West Virginia) 20541
2. Patty Wells (S-Washington) 2054-602
3. Stephen "Steve" Ellison (Communist-North Carolina) 2060-663
4. Nina Strand (C-Ohio) 2066-724
5. Daniel Dover (Democratic-New York) 2072-745
6. Denise Daniels (C-Pennsylvania) 2074-79
7. Thomas Moreno (C-Alabama) 2079-866
8. Irene Collins (Democratic-Socialist coalition) 2086-907
9. Katherine Edwards (C-Massachusetts) 2090-

1Interim president until new elections could be held. Ames-Olsen presided over the trial (and execution) of the former government, as well as the signing of the Anglo-American Treaty of 2054. She would subsequently be elected to a seat on the International Coordinating Committee of the Socialist International.

2Wells' tenure would be focused on re-building the country after World War IV and the subsequent American revolution. Computerized planning, extensive use of automation and 3D Printing technologies, and full employment rebuilt the economy in short order, with precedence going to defense industries in lieu of a possible end of the ceasefire with the Franco-German Alliance. By the latter period of her term in office, Wells was increasingly criticized for maintaining the ceasefire 'in lieu of a positive international outlook' by the Communist Party, which was running an aggressive campaign to 'unleash the productive forces', rebuild the economy, and destroy the 'imperialist threat' posed by the Franco-German Alliance. Following the defeat of the Labour Party in the 2059 elections in the Socialist Federation of England and Wales at the hands of the Communists there, the American SP would likewise lose in 2060 to Communist firebrand Steve Ellison.

3Former NFL star Steve Ellison was an unlikely convert to the Communist cause, having made a name for himself as a Trump Republican in the 2020s. Nevertheless, with the zeal of a convert, he pushed forward with the Communist agenda, namely deeper (and closer) ties with the Communist-lead government of the SFEW and the defeat of the Franco-German Alliance. When a coalition of Communists and left-wing socialists won the Presidential election of 2061, a military coup followed that had German backing. Ellison and Poole made stirrings about intervening, but this ultimately came to naught. The Germans' nuclear sword of damocles pointed at SFEW from both the continent and Scotland to the North; there was, at this point, little to be done. But the coup itself soon collapsed, pushing the hand of the Germans and leading to an invasion of France. French workers rose up to defend their desired government, German workers, heeding their example, took to the streets and bore their own rifles against those of the government. Chaos reigned on the continent as regions under the German heel threw it off and allied with the Anglo-American bloc, while other revolutions failed. In Germany in particular, the failure of the revolution led to the resurrection of the far-right, exiled from German politics for over a century. When the dust settled, France was occupied by a German government under the Swastika. Eastern European far-right regimes allied themselves to the same, as did a far-right Russian government. Communist governments occupied most of the former colonial world, with glaring exceptions in Asia, where Japanese puppet regimes predominated. Now was the time to strike. Ellison and Poole, with the communist regimes in tow, declared an end to the ceasefire - the World Revolution had come to its finishing point.

The war that followed was brutal. Warfare on every continent, in the atmosphere, and in space left billions dead. Ellison himself was killed in 2066, seen as yet another martyr of the international revolution. Poole would himself die in office in 2070, a victim of the decade long war that would ultimately bring into existence a new world, one free from the exploitation and oppression of capitalist society.

4Foreign Affairs Secretary Nina Strand took the helm after the death of Ellison following her confirmation by a closed-door session of the Congress of Workers' Councils. With the war entering it's fourth year, she (and others) had hoped that the war would be ending soon; economic troubles and the effective collapse of German and allied forces at their respective fronts would however, be three years away. The first major defections from the German, Russian, and Japanese lines would be in 2069, and would continue into the early 2070s, when the final collapse of the German government came in January 2071. With the capture of Berlin by German Red Guards and the subsequent declaration of a German Workers Republic on January 25, 2071, the second phase of World War IV, which had started nearly two decades earlier, came to a close.

Strand and the Communists would then spend the rest of their time in government negotiating the fusion of the world's powers under the auspices of the International, which would become the first ever international government of mankind. Although the position of President of the Congress of American Workers' Councils would continue to exist past this point, it would become a purely regional position, interlocked within the international system.

5That Democratic Party? Yep. At least, a severe mutation of it. While the heads of the Democratic Party where pretty much dealt with by the revolutionary government, it's rank-and-file base survived and a good part of it supported the revolution, allying itself with the Socialist Party. Following the collapse of the SP in the 2070s and the rise of the Communists, it became more or less the political voice of the remaining petty bourgeois elements in the country as the Communists became the default choice for American workers.

6Moreno headed the American government when the August 22, 2081 asteroid attacks impacted much of the planet. Capitalist emigres hiding out among the asteroid belt launched the attacks; although space-based defenses successfully blew up the asteroids, the showers that followed did damage the world over. The Moreno government led recovery efforts in North America, and also helped mobilize Americans for the subsequent anti-terror campaigns in the asteroid belt and the Jovian moons occupied by capitalist-aligned offworld forces. Opposition to the Communist Party's 'development first' strategy would result in the defeat of the Communists in the 2086 elections.

7Opposed to the developmentalist strategy of the Communists, the Democrats (in an electoral alliance with the slowly recovering Socialists) proposed a consumption-oriented strategy for economic development, allying themselves with the internationally-dominant 'Consumptionist' bloc consisting mostly of old labour, social democratic, radical, liberal, and progressive parties. Problems resulting from attempting to utilize co-operatives at the international (and regional) levels in the wake of attempting to rebuild the economy after the war and asteroid terrorism proved to be the undoing of most of the Consumptionist parties, which were defeated in wave elections in subsequent years. At the international level, the return of the Developmentalists (who stressed economic development as opposed to immediate consumptive-oriented policies) meant international industrialization programs, geo-engineering, and space colonization.
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« Reply #1851 on: February 29, 2016, 04:21:43 PM »

LIST of PRESIDENTS of the UNITED STATES
1. George Washington (Independent-Virginia) 1789-1790
2. John Adams (Federalist-Massachusetts) 1790-1797
3. Thomas Jefferson (Republican-Virginia) 1797-1801
4. Charles C. Pinckney (Federalist-South Carolina) 1801-1805
5. Alexander Hamilton (Federalist-New York) 1805-1809
6. Timothy Pickering (Federalist-Massachusetts) 1809-1813
7. DeWitt Clinton (Liberal-New York) 1813-1817
8. James Monroe (Liberal-Virginia) 1817-1821
9. John C. Calhoun (Federalist-South Carolina) 1821-1825
10. Henry Clay (Liberal-Kentucky) 1825-1829
11. Ratliff Boon (Liberal-Indiana) 1829-1833
12. William Hendricks (Federalist-Indiana) 1833-1837
13. Nicholas Biddle (Federalist-Pennsylvania) 1837-1841
14. Franklin H. Elmore (Federalist-South Carolina) 1841-1845
15. Thomas Hart Benton (Liberal-Arkansas) 1845-1849
16. Winfield Scott (Federalist-Virginia) 1849-1853
17. Andrew J. Donelson (Federalist-Tennessee) 1853-1857
18. Stephen Douglas (Liberal-Illinois) 1857-1861
19. Hannibal Hamlin (Whig-Maine) 1861-1865
20. William H. Seward (Whig-New York) 1865-1869
21. Schuyler Colfax (Whig-Indiana) 1869-1873
22. Lewis Wallace (Whig-Indiana) 1873-1877
23. Charles F. Adams (National Reform-Massachusetts) 1877-1881
24. James G. Blaine (Whig-Maine) 1881-1885
25. Winfield S. Hancock (Liberal-Pennsylvania) 1885-1886
26. Allen G. Thurman (Liberal-Ohio) 1886-1889
27. Jacob D. Cox (Whig-Ohio) 1889-1893
28. Mark Hana (Whig-Ohio) 1893-1897
29. Thomas C. Platt (Whig-New York) 1897-1901
30. Alton Parker (Liberal-Maryland) 1901-1905
31. Charles F. Murphy (Liberal-New York) 1905-1909
32. Robert M. LaFollette (Reform-Wisconsin) 1909-1913
33. Gifford Pinchot (Reform-Pennsylvania) 1913-1917
34. Theodore Roosevelt (Whig-New York) 1917-1921
35. James M. Cox (Whig-Ohio) 1921-1925
36. Burton K. Wheeler (Reform-Montana) 1925-1929
37. Frank O. Lowden (Whig-Illinois) 1929-1933
38. Herbert Hoover (Reform-California) 1933-1937
39. Fiorello La Guardia (Reform-New York) 1937-1941
40. Arthur H. Vandenburgh (Whig-Michigan) 1941-1946
41. Charles Nelson (Whig-Maine) 1946-1949
42. Dean Acheson (Reform-Connecticut) 1949-1953
43. Adlai E. Stevenson II (Reform-Illinois) 1953-1957
44. Margaret Chase Smith (Whig-Maine) 1957-1961
45. Henry C. Lodge, Jr. (Whig-Massachusetts) 1961-1965
46. George Romney (Whig-Michigan) 1965-1969
47. Charles H. Percy (Whig-Illinois) 1969-1973
48. Robert F. Kennedy (Reform-Massachusetts) 1973-1977
49. Carl Albert (Reform-Oklahoma) 1977-1981
50. Robert J. Dole (Whig-Kansas) 1981-1985
51. John B. Anderson (Reform-Illinois) 1985-1989
52. Birch Bayh (Reform-Indiana) 1989-1993
53. Jerry Brown (Reform-California) 1993-1997
54. Richard G. Lugar (Whig-Indiana) 1997-2001
55. W. Mitt Romney (Whig-Massachusetts) 2001-2005
56. Michael Bloomberg (Whig-New York) 2005-2009
57. Lincoln Chaffee (Reform-Rhode Island) 2009-2013
58. Jon Huntsman, Jr. (Whig-Utah) 2013-incumbent
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« Reply #1852 on: March 01, 2016, 07:00:12 PM »

Prime Ministers of the United Kingdoms of America and the British Isles:
1941-1956: Thomas Dewey(Prog-NY)
1956-1966: Coke Stevenson(Con-TX)
1966-1971: Ronald Reagan(C-CA)
1971-1976: Morris Udall(P-AZ)
1976-1991: John F. Kennedy(LD-MA)
1991-2001: Christine Todd Whitman(C-NJ)
2001-2011: Howard Dean(P-VT)
2011-PRES: Greg Mulholland(LD-EN)
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« Reply #1853 on: March 02, 2016, 10:37:51 AM »

39. Jimmy Carter: 1977-1979^
40. Walter Mondale: 1979-1981
41. Ronald Reagan: 1981-1989
42. Jack Kemp: 1989-1993

43. Paul Tsongas: 1993-1995^
44. Bill Clinton: 1995-2001

45. John McCain: 2001-2009
46. John Kasich: 2009-2017

47. Andrew Cuomo: 2017 -

^Resigned from Office.
*Defeated for Reelection

Defeated Tickets:
1980: Walter Mondale/Ted Kennedy: 82 EV and 41% of the vote.
1984: Ted Kennedy/Robert Byrd: 40 EV and 39% of vote.
1988: Al Gore/Michael Dukakis: 120 EV and 44% of vote.
1992: Jack Kemp/Bob Dole: 248 EV and 47% of vote.
1996: Bob Dole/Lamar Alexander: 223 EV and 46% of the vote.
2000: Bill Clinton/Mario Cuomo: 267 EV with 48% of vote.
2004: Bill Clinton/John Kerry: 186 EV with 45% of vote.
2008: John Kerry/Howard Dean: 203 EV with 46% of vote.
2012: Howard Dean/Gavin Newsom: 178 EV with 44% of vote.

2016: J.C. Watts/Mike Huckabee: 268 EV with 49% of vote.
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« Reply #1854 on: March 03, 2016, 12:07:01 PM »

43. George W. Bush (2001-2005) Loses reelection in primary
44. John Kerry (2005-2009) Previously agreed with VP McCain to only serve one term
45. John McCain (2009 - 2013) Opted to only serve one term
46. Kathleen Sebelius (2013 - 2017) Loses reelection
47. Cathy McMorris Rodgers (2017 - 2025)
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« Reply #1855 on: March 07, 2016, 12:16:58 PM »

12 years ago, there was a TL on this forum in which the USA grew to include states in every habitable continent on this planet. I am talking about "Superimperialist America" which you can read here in these links.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=1970.0
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?board=15;action=display;threadid=9142

1845-1851: James K. Polk/George M. Dallas (D)
1851-1853: George M. Dallas/vacant (D)
1853-1853: Franklin Pierce/William R.D. King (D)
1853-1857: Franklin Pierce/vacant (D)
1857-1861: Franklin Pierce/John C. Breckinridge (D)
1861-1865: James Gadsden/Stephen Douglas (D)
1865-1866: Stephen Douglas/George Pendleton (D)
1866-1869: George Pendleton/vacant (D)

1869-1875: Horace Greeley/Schuyler Colfax (R)
1875-1877: Schuyler Colfax/vacant (R)

1877-1881: Samuel Tilden/Thomas Hendricks (D)
1881-1881: James Garfield/Chester Alan Arthur (R)
1881-1885: Chester Alan Arthur/vacant (R)

1885-1885: Thomas Hendricks/Grover Cleveland (D)
1885-1886: Grover Cleveland/vacant (D)
1886-1893: Grover Cleveland/Allen Thurman (D)

1893-1894: James Weaver/James Field (P)
1894-1897: Theodore Roosevelt/vacant (P)
1897-1905: Theodore Roosevelt/Arthur Sewall (P)
1905-1909: William Howard Taft/James Sherman (P)
1909-1913: Theodore Roosevelt/Hiram Johnson (P)
1913-1914: Hiram Johnson/Thomas Marshall (P)
1914-1915: Thomas Marshall/Woodrow Wilson (P)
1915-1917: Woodrow Wilson/James Cox (P)

1917-1918: Robert Borden/Charles Fairbanks (C)
1918-1929: Robert Borden/Herbert Hoover (C)
1929-1933: Herbert Hoover/Charles Dawes (C)

1933-1937: Theodore Roosevelt/Franklin D. Roosevelt (P)
1937-1941: Franklin D. Roosevelt/John Nance Garner (P)

1941-1945: Franklin D. Roosevelt/Wendell Willkie (P-C) (2)
1945-1945: Franklin D. Roosevelt/William L.M. King (P-C-CCF) (2)
1945-1949: William L.M. King/Henry Wallace (P)
1949-1953: Harry S Truman/Thomas Dewey (P)
1953-1961: Dwight Eisenhower/Adlai Stevenson (P)

1961-1963: Richard Nixon/Gustavo Diaz Ordaz (R)
1963-1969: Gustavo Diaz Ordaz/Henry Cabot Lodge (R)
(3)
1969-1977: John F. Kennedy/Harold Wilson (P)
1977-1981: Ronald Reagan/Joe Clark (R-A)
1981-1981: Joe Clark/vacant (R)
1981-1982: John F. Kennedy/J.M.G. Adams (P)
1982-1985: J.M.G. Adams/Gro Harlem Bruntland (P)

1985-1989: Margaret Thatcher/George H.W. Bush (R)
1989-1997: Richard Gephardt/Robert Mugabe (P)
1997: Strom Thurmond/John Ashcroft (A) (5)
1997: John Ashcroft (A)/Ralph Nader (S) (6)
1997: Ralph Nader (S)/vacant (7)
1997-2001: Silvio Berlusconi (R)/Ralph Nader (S) [8]
2001-2009: Silvio Berlusconi/Denis Burke (R)
2009-2013: Denis Burke/Rick Santorum (R)

2013-2017: Dennis Kucinich/Anote Tong (S-D)
2017-Present: Arnold Schwarzenegger/Mary Fallin (R)

(1) was Sec of State when President Weaver & Vice President Field died in Washington DC fire
(2) Conservatives cross-endorsed FDR as a wartime national unity ticket in 1940 and 1944 with the CCF endorsing the incumbent President in 1944
(3) cross-endorsed by CCF and Statehood Coalition in 1956 and 1964
(4) assassinated 4 days after Reagan's assassination without selecting a VP. JFK was Speaker of the House when Clark died.
(5) Speaker of the House when House failed to elect a President by 1/20/97 after deadlock in the Electoral College. Thurmond picked Ashcroft as acting VP when the Senate failed to reach a quorum needed to elect a VP
(6) Senate elected Nader as VP. Nader was Rubert Mugabe's running mate in 1996 and was sworn in as Vice President minutes before Thurmond resigned as acting President.
(7) Ashcroft was acting Vice President because he was not elected by the Senate. He was briefly acting President before Nader was formally sworn in as Vice President.
[8] With Gephardt and Mugabe unwilling to concede to the other, moderates in all parties in the House switched their votes to Berlusconi which gave him the majority of state delegations needed to be elected President.

R = Republican
D = Democrat
P = Populist, later changed to Progressive during Theodore Roosevelt Presidency. The Progressives declined in popularity during Nader's Vice Presidency. The most left wing members of the Progressives switched to the Socialists. The remaining Progressives renamed themselves the Democratic party. However, they endorsed the Socialist ticket in 2012 in order to unite the left and ensure a return to the White House.
C = Conservative
CCF = Cooperative Commonwealth Federation
Statehood Coalition = founded by Mohammad Hatta to lobby for statehood for districts and occupied territories in Southeast Asia. Hatta ran for POTUS in 1948 and 1952 but decided not to run for President since and used to party to lobby for statehood, endorse candidates friendly to his views and get himself elected to the US House of Representatives. The party disbanded after his death in 1979.
A = American, split from the Conservatives in the late 1950's on platform of giving independence to all states and territories outside North America. Most members were from the southeastern continental USA (the remaining Conservatives renamed themselves back to the Republican party). Unable to win Presidential elections on its own, it nominated Ronald Reagan in 1976 and 1980 in order to stop Congressman Pol Pot (A-Indochina) from winning the American party primaries. The party would disband after the 2004 elections as a few of its members joined the Republicans, including Rick Santorum.
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« Reply #1856 on: March 20, 2016, 01:51:25 PM »

1997-2005: Sen. Christine Todd Whitman(R-NJ)/Sen. Howard Baker(R-TE)
2005-2013: Gov. Howard Dean(D-VT)/Sen. Harold Ford, Jr.

2013-PRESENT: Gov. John Kasich(R-OH)/Sen. Brian Sandoval(R-NV)

President: John Kasich
Vice President: Brian Sandoval

Secretary of State: Ileana Ros-Lehtinen(R-FL)*
   National Security Advisor: Jendaya Frazier
Secretary of the Treasury: Meg Whitman(R-CA)
   Federal Reserve Chair: Neel Kashkari(R-MN)
Secretary of Defense: James Webb(I-VA)
Attorney General: Wan J. Kim(R-DC)
Secretary of the Interior: Ryan Frazier(R-CO)
Secretary of Agriculture: Joni Ernst(R-IA)**
Secretary of Commerce: R. Glenn Hubbard(R-DC)
Secretary of Labor: Gaddi Vasquez(R-TX)
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development: Roy Bernardi(R-NY)
Secretary of Education: Mitch Daniels(R-IN)
Secretary of Health and Human Services: Sandy Praeger(R-KS)
Secretary of Transportation: Anthony Foxx(D-NC)
Secretary of Energy: Christine Todd Whitman(R-NJ)
Secretary of Veterans' Affairs: Leo Mackay, Jr.(R-DC)
Secretary of Homeland Security: Raymond Kelly(I-NY)

*Husband Dexter Lehtinen appointed to replace her
**State Sen. Rick Bertrand appointed to replace her
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« Reply #1857 on: March 21, 2016, 02:10:28 PM »

Gore wins Florida in 2000:

2001-2005: Al Gore/Joe Lieberman

2005-2009: John McCain/Lindsey Graham
2009-2013: Hillary Clinton/Mark Warner
2013-2021: Mitt Romney/Paul Ryan

Defeated Tickets:

2004: Al Gore/Joe Lieberman (50.3%-48.2%)- people want a more aggressive post 9/11 policy
2008: John McCain/Lindsey Graham (51.5%-47.7%)- the economy is bad, but not as bad as IRL
2012: Hillary Clinton/Mark Warner (53.6%-45.2%)- Hillary is simply unpopular
2016: Barack Obama/Julian Castro (49.7%-49.3%)- A very close election, but a strong economy wins President Romney reelection.
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« Reply #1858 on: March 21, 2016, 11:34:43 PM »

PRESIDENTS of the UNITED STATES
1. George Washington (Independent-Virginia) 1789-1797
2. John Adams (Federalist-Massachusetts) 1797-1801
3. Aaron Burr (Republican-New York) 1801-1805
4. John Marshall (Federalist-Virginia) 1805-1813
5. Rufus King (Federalist-New York) 1813-1821
6. John Q. Adams (Federalist-Massachusetts) 1821-1825
7. Henry Clay (Democratic-Kentucky) 1825-1833
8. Martin Van Buren (Democratic-New York) 1833-1837
9. Daniel Webster (Federalist-Massachusetts) 1837-1841
10. Lewis Cass (Democratic-Michigan) 1841-1845
11. David Wallace (Federalist-Indiana) 1845-1849
12. Jefferson Davis (Democratic-Mississippi) 1849-1853
13. Stephen Douglas (Democratic-Illinois) 1853-1857
14. Franklin Pierce (Democratic-New Hampshire) 1857-1861
15. Joseph A. Wright (Whig-Indiana) 1861-1869
16. Phillip Sheridan (Whig-Illinois) 1869-1877
17. Samuel Tilden (Reform-New York) 1877-1881
18. James G. Blaine (Whig-Maine) 1881-1885
19. George F. Edmunds (Reform-Vermont) 1885-1893
20. Grover Cleveland (Reform-New York) 1893-1897
21. Robert Todd Lincoln (Whig-New York) 1897-1905
22. Robert M. La Follette (Coalition-Wisconsin) 1905-1913
23. William J. Bryan (Progressive-Nebraska) 1913-1921
24. Thomas R. Marshall (Progressive-Indiana) 1921-1925
25. Frank O. Lowden (Whig-Illinois) 1925-1929
26. Hiram V. Johnson (Progressive-California) 1929-1933
27. Herbert Hoover (Whig-California) 1933-1941
28. Alf Landon (Whig-Kansas) 1941-1949
29. Earl Warren (Progressive-California) 1949-1953
30. Dwight D. Eisenhower (Whig-Kansas) 1953-1961
31. Hubert H. Humphrey (Progressive-Minessota) 1961-1963
32. Burton K. Wheeler (Progressive-Montana) 1963-1965
33. Robert F. Kennedy (Progressive-Massachusetts) 1965-1973
34. Spiro T. Agnew (Whig-Maryland) 1973-1974
35. George Romney (Whig-Michigan) 1974-1977

36. Carl Albert (Progressive-Oklahoma) 1977-1981
37. John B. Anderson (Whig-Illinois) 1981-1989
38. Paul Tsongas (Progressive-Massachusetts) 1989-1993
39. Robert J. Dole (Whig-Kansas) 1993-2001
40. Hillary D. Rodham (Progressive-Illinois) 2001-2009
41. W. Mitt Romney (Whig-Massachusetts) 2009-2013
42. Sonia Sotomayor (Progressive-New York) 2013-incumbent
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« Reply #1859 on: March 24, 2016, 07:31:22 PM »

List of Presidents
42. Bill Clinton (D-AR) - 1993-2001
43. Paul Wellstone (D-MN)* - 2001-2003
44. Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH)* - 2003-2009
45. Condoleezza Rice (R-AL)* - 2009-2017
46. Donald Trump (D-NY)* - 2017-Current

List of Vice Presidents
45. Al Gore (D-TN) - 1993-2001
46. Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH) - 2001-2003
47. Joe Biden (D-DE) - 2003-2009
48. George Voinovich (R-OH) - 2009-2017
49. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) - 2017-Current

Losing Tickets
2000 - George W. Bush/Dick Cheney
2004 - John McCain/Bill Frist
2008 - Joe Biden/Barack Obama
2012 - Hillary Clinton/Chris Van Hollen
2016 - Mitt Romney/Marco Rubio*

* After Paul Wellstone's death, Jeanne Shaheen proved to be a decent stewart for the nation from his death until 2005, and as a result, Republicans did little to help Senator McCain's ailing bid for the White House. She would end up winning by 5 points - a margin much smaller than public polls indicated, but nevertheless a solid victory. After 2005, though, she proved to be out of her league, with several international disasters falling on her shoulders and her administration basically falling into a tailspin over bad economic indicators. This resulted in the worst Democratic defeat since the days of Reagan in 2008 - where Alabama Senator Condoleezza Rice rose the nation beyond partisanship to fight economic woes while old Vice President Joe Biden didn't even stand a chance.

*Despite Rice's inspirational speeches and her nearly 10 point victory over Biden, Rice would have a tough time even managing a 60 Republican Senate, passing her major objective (education reform) on the backs of Republicans alone. This resulted in massive losses across the nation. Rice was initially not favored for re-election, but the Democrats had a rough and tumble primary between Senator Clinton, Former Speaker Dick Gephardt, and Former Governor Bill Richardson. Clinton picked progressive voice Congressman Chris Van Holen to rally progressives, but Rice ended up beating Clinton with a somewhat underwhelming 4 point margin of victory. Rice's administration continued to coast on extreme opinions about her - Republicans glowing over her efforts to beat a Democratic Congress, Democrats rampaging over her conservative record and goals.

*As Rice's term in office came to a close, Democrats began seeking out the best candidate to knock out likely Republican nominee Mitt Romney. Democrats had what some called the world's best field, but the field quickly lost out to a final three of Businessman Donald Trump (a fiery populist and progressive, deeply in favor of the Black Lives Matter movement), Senator Elizabeth Warren (a ideologically rigid and staunch progressive and opponent of the administration), and Governor Ted Strickland of Ohio (an ideological moderate who touts his electibility). Initial frontrunner, former nominee Hillary Clinton, was summarily laughed off the stage by Trump, and Clinton's pestering successor to the legacy, New York Senator Huma Abedin, proved to be not much better at it, losing New York by 20 points to Donald Trump even as Strickland won Ohio. Trump would end up usurping the nomination from the political elite, though not without a fight from Warren. Meanwhile, on the Republican side, Romney faced a tougher than expected fight from Kentucky Senator Rand Paul, who ran on a conservative populist message combining libertarian themes and paleoconservative themes, challenging the trade agenda of the current administration.

*Romney and Trump came out victors of their primaries. Trump made a concession to the grassroots that had opposed some of Trump's conservative stances (like his stance in favor of cutting income taxes) and put Warren on the ticket, while Romney went for a 1st and picked Miami County Mayor Marco Rubio to be his Veep. Romney's move was criticized as Rubio seemed inexperienced, and in fact, Rubio proved in many interviews to be not very knowledgable on national issues. In a surprise, the progressive populist Trump ended up beating the unpopular Romney and now the world is in a panic.
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« Reply #1860 on: March 25, 2016, 09:15:03 PM »

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The Fall of John C. Calhoun and the Rise of the Hoosier State

PRESIDENTS of the UNITED STATES 1
7. Andrew Jackson (Democratic-Tennessee) 1829-1835*
8. Ratliff Boon (Democratic-Indiana) 1835-1841 2
9. Noah Noble (Whig-Indiana) 1841-1849 3
10. Martin Van Buren (Democratic-New York) 1849-1853
11. Winfield Scott (Whig-Virginia) 1853-1857
12. Joseph A. Wright (Democratic, Union-Indiana) 1857-1865 4
13. Salmon P. Chase (Union-Ohio) 1865-1869
14. Benjamin Harrison (Union-Indiana) 1869-1877 5
15. Thomas A. Hendricks (Democratic-Indiana) 1877-1881 6
16. Chester A. Arthur (Republican-New Jersey) 1881*
17. Lewis Wallace (Republican-Indiana) 1881-1885 7
18. Grover Cleveland (Democratic-New York) 1885-1893
19. Walter Q. Gresham (People's-Indiana) 1893-1895 8
20. Henry Teller (Republican-Colorado) 1895-1901

*Assassinated

1 Attempts to introduce the Industrial Revolution to South Carolina succeed, contrary to the OTL, and the Palmetto State becomes the commercial center of the South. As a result, John C. Calhoun never abandons his support for the American System and joins the "Adams" faction of the collapsing Republican Party.
2 With Calhoun now his political enemy, Jackson instead selects Indiana Congressman Ratliff Boon as his running mate in the 1828 election; Boon later becomes president when Jackson is assassinated in 1835.
3 The Panic of 1837 soils the Democrats' electoral chances and gives rise to a new Hoosier president: former Governor Noah Noble.
4 The divisive administrations of Martin Van Buren (who was outmaneuvered by Southern "hawks," resulting on the Mexican-American War) and Winfield Scott (whose gruff demeanor alienated Democrats and Southern Whigs alike), Joseph A. Wright - a moderate governor from a swing state - seemed the perfect choice to reunited a country on the verge of war. Wright's refusal to cave in to Southern demands following his reelection, however, led to the eruption of hostilities between North and South in 1861. Forming the "Union Party" as an alliance with the pro-war Republicans, Wright defeated the secessionist uprising and laid the groundwork for the abolition of slavery under his successor, Salmon P. Chase.
5 Harrison's successful campaign against the Confederate Army of Robert E. Lee in 1864 and 1865 made him one of the greatest war heroes since Washington; once he accepted the Union Party's nomination in 1868, there was no doubt that he would emerge victorious.
6 Charges of corruption against the Harrison Administration and public fatigue with Reconstruction led to the collapse of the Union Party in 1875 and the election of Senator Thomas Hendricks over Vice President Henry Wilson the following year.
7 Wallace ascended to the presidency following the assassination of President Arthur; he was lauded as a champion of civil service reform and honest government but declined to seek reelection in 1884.
8 Chosen to head a fusion ticket of Populists and Republicans, Gresham pressured Congress to authorize the coinage of free silver and establish federal "sub-treasuries."
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« Reply #1861 on: March 27, 2016, 12:19:19 AM »

Post-Trump Conservative Movement:
44th President: Barack Obama, D-IL/Joe Biden, D-DE: 2009-2017
45th President: Hillary R. Clinton, D-NY/Julian Castro, D-TX: 2017-2025

46th President: Nikki Haley, UCA-SC/Ben Sasse, UCA-NE: 2025-Current*


* UCA = United Conservative Alliance (Libertarian-Conservative Alliance + Civic Conservative Alliance)
Losing Election Tickets:
2016: Donald J. Trump (NY)-Ben Carson (MD) (Republican Party) (Party folds in 2017)
2020: Rand Paul (KY)-Justin Amash (MI) (Libertarian-Conservative Alliance); Ben Sasse (NE)-Marco Rubio (FL) (Civic Conservative Alliance); Sarah Palin (AK)-Louie Gohmert (TX) (American Nationalist Coalition)
2024: Cory Booker (NJ)-Tulsi Gabbard (HI); Pam Bondi (FL)-Tim Huelskamp (KS) (American Nationalist Coalition)
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« Reply #1862 on: March 27, 2016, 12:07:11 PM »

Post-Trump Conservative Movement:
44th President: Barack Obama, D-IL/Joe Biden, D-DE: 2009-2017
45th President: Hillary R. Clinton, D-NY/Julian Castro, D-TX: 2017-2025

46th President: Nikki Haley, UCA-SC/Ben Sasse, UCA-NE: 2025-Current*


* UCA = United Conservative Alliance (Libertarian-Conservative Alliance + Civic Conservative Alliance)
Losing Election Tickets:
2016: Donald J. Trump (NY)-Ben Carson (MD) (Republican Party) (Party folds in 2017)
2020: Rand Paul (KY)-Justin Amash (MI) (Libertarian-Conservative Alliance); Ben Sasse (NE)-Marco Rubio (FL) (Civic Conservative Alliance); Sarah Palin (AK)-Louie Gohmert (TX) (American Nationalist Coalition)
2024: Cory Booker (NJ)-Tulsi Gabbard (HI); Pam Bondi (FL)-Tim Huelskamp (KS) (American Nationalist Coalition)

A Trumpie destroys the GOP scenario.
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« Reply #1863 on: March 27, 2016, 12:53:53 PM »

Tumultuous America: 21st Century

Presidents of the United States
43. Albert Gore, Jr.: 2001-2005* (D-TN)
44. John McCain: 2005-2009^ (R-AZ)
45. John Edwards: 2009-2011^^ (D-NC)
46. Hillary Clinton: 2011-2013* (D-NY)
47. Mark Sanford: 2013-2014^^^ (R-SC)
48. Willard Mitt Romney: 2014-2017* (R-MA)
49. Donald J. Trump: 2017 - Present (D-NY)

Vice Presidents of the United States
46. Joseph Lieberman: 2001-2005 (D-CT)
47. Michael Huckabee: 2005-2009 (R-AR)
48. Hillary Clinton: 2009-2011 (D-NY)
Vacant: 2011-2013

49. Willard M. Romney: 2013-2014 (R-MA)
50. Paul Ryan: 2015-2017 (R-WI)

Cory Booker: 2017- Present (D-NJ)

*Defeated for Reelected
^Declined to Run for Reelection, Citing Health Reasons
^^Resigned
^^^For Tax Invasion, Lying Under Oath

Defeated Tickets:
2000: George W. Bush/Richard Cheney: 291-247 (48.4% - 47.8%)
2004: Albert Gore, Jr./Joseph Lieberman: 295-243 (51.0% - 47.9%)
2008: Michael Huckabee/Rudolph Giuliani: 272-266 (49.0% - 49.6%)
2012: Hillary R. Clinton/Howard Dean: 287-251 (49.9% - 48.9%)
2016: Willard M. Romney/Paul Ryan: 480-58 (57.9% - 40.8%)
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« Reply #1864 on: March 27, 2016, 01:14:08 PM »

No Kennedy Assassination:
John F. Kennedy (D-MA)/Lyndon Johnson (D-TX) 1961-1965
Barry Goldwater (R-AZ)/William Scranton (R-PA) 1965-1973
Richard Nixon (R-CA)/John Tower (R-TX) 1973-1974
John Tower (R-TX)/[Vacant] 1974-1977
Frank Church (D-ID)/James Carter (D-GA) 1977-1981
Larry Pressler (R-SD)/Ronald Reagan (R-CA) 1981-1989
Robert Kennedy (D-MA)/Gary Hart (D-CO), Al Gore (D-TN) 1989-1997
Barry Goldwater Jr. (R-CA)/Pierre S. du Pont IV (R-DE) 1997-2005
George Allen (R-VA)/Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-TX) 2005-2009
Wesley Clark (D-AR)/Howard Dean (D-VT) 2009-2017
Nikki Haley (R-SC)/Mitt Romney (R-MA) 2017-?Huh
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« Reply #1865 on: March 27, 2016, 05:19:30 PM »

Post-Trump Conservative Movement:
44th President: Barack Obama, D-IL/Joe Biden, D-DE: 2009-2017
45th President: Hillary R. Clinton, D-NY/Julian Castro, D-TX: 2017-2025

46th President: Nikki Haley, UCA-SC/Ben Sasse, UCA-NE: 2025-Current*


* UCA = United Conservative Alliance (Libertarian-Conservative Alliance + Civic Conservative Alliance)
Losing Election Tickets:
2016: Donald J. Trump (NY)-Ben Carson (MD) (Republican Party) (Party folds in 2017)
2020: Rand Paul (KY)-Justin Amash (MI) (Libertarian-Conservative Alliance); Ben Sasse (NE)-Marco Rubio (FL) (Civic Conservative Alliance); Sarah Palin (AK)-Louie Gohmert (TX) (American Nationalist Coalition)
2024: Cory Booker (NJ)-Tulsi Gabbard (HI); Pam Bondi (FL)-Tim Huelskamp (KS) (American Nationalist Coalition)

I assume that Trump would have to lose in a MASSIVE landslide and take a bunch of down ballot offices with him for this to even be slightly plausible.
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« Reply #1866 on: March 28, 2016, 12:26:52 PM »

Agreed. I doubt the GOP would fold in 2017. Maybe 2018 or 2019 if the Republicans lose the midterms combined with mass defections to the Libertarians and other conservative third parties.
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« Reply #1867 on: March 28, 2016, 12:28:23 PM »

"Conservative movement" lol.
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« Reply #1868 on: March 28, 2016, 02:35:44 PM »

just a scenario, guys Wink
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« Reply #1869 on: March 29, 2016, 07:42:44 AM »

39. Edmund G. Brown (Democratic-California) 1977-1981
40. Frank Borman (Republican-Indiana) 1981-1985
41. George Moscone (Democratic-California) 1985-1993
42. John McKernan (Republican-Maine) 1993-1997
43. Ron Brown* (Democratic-Maryland) 1997-2001
44. Bob Krueger (Democratic-Texas) 2001-2005
45. Jack McMullen (Republican-Vermont) 2005-2009
46. Pete Coors (Republican-Colorado) 2009-
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« Reply #1870 on: March 29, 2016, 08:40:20 AM »

31. Robert M. La Follete/Burton K. Wheeler 1925-1929
32. Herbert Hoover/ Charles Curtis 1929-1933
33. Franklin D. Roosevelt/ Huey Long* 1933-1935
34. Huey Long/ Charles Coughlin** 1935-1941
35. Thomas Dewey/ Robert A. Taft 1941-1949
36. Robert A. Taft/ Richard Nixon 1949-1953
37. Estes Kefauver/ Pat Brown 1953-1961
38. Lyndon B. Johnson/ John F. Kennedy 1961-1965
39. Richard Nixon/ Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. 1965-1973
40. Thomas Eagleton/ Jimmy Carter*** 1973-1977
41. Jimmy Carter/ Walter Mondale 1977-1981
42. Ronald Reagan/ George H.W. Bush 1981-1989
43. Michael Dukakis/ Al Gore Jr. 1989-1993
44. Ross Perot/ James A. Stockdale 1993-1997
45. Bill Clinton/ Dick Gephardt 1997-2005
46. Jack Kemp/ John McCain 2005-2009
47. Dick Gephardt/ Barack Obama 2009-2017



* Roosevelt selects Senator Huey Long of Louisiana in order to prevent a third-party Progressive-Socialist run.

**Roosevelt is assassinated by Carl Weiss who was intending on killing the vice president.

***Thomas Eagleton refuses a second term.
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« Reply #1871 on: April 02, 2016, 02:36:33 PM »
« Edited: April 02, 2016, 10:25:09 PM by Golfman76 »

A Conservative 3rd Party. Republicans are Centrist, Democrats are Liberals

36. Lyndon B. Johnson (Democratic), 1963-1969
37. Henry C. Lodge, Jr. (Republican), 1969-1977
38. Edmund S. Muskie (Democratic), 1977-1981
39. Ronald W. Reagan (Conservative Alliance), 1981-1989
40. George H.W Bush (Conservative Alliance), 1989-1993
41. William J. Clinton (Republican), 1993-2001
42. George W. Bush (Conservative Alliance), 2001-2005
43. Howard Dean (Democratic), 2005-2013
44. Dennis Kucinich (Democratic), 2013-
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« Reply #1872 on: April 02, 2016, 02:37:44 PM »

I used color in my previous post, why isn't it showing up?
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« Reply #1873 on: April 02, 2016, 03:06:15 PM »

The West Wing: Presidents of the United States
40. Ronald Reagan: 1979-1987
41. D. Wire Newman: 1987-1991
42. Owen Lassiter: 1991-1999
43. Josiah Bartlet: 1999-2007
Acting President: Glen Allen Walken: 2003-2003
44. Matthew Santos: 2007-2011
45. Glen Allen Walken: 2011-2019
46. Samuel Seaborn: 2019-
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« Reply #1874 on: April 02, 2016, 10:04:56 PM »

I used color in my previous post, why isn't it showing up?
You didn't format it right. You have it (color=red)(/color)President Whateverface when it needs to be (color=red)President Whateverface(/color) (keep the square brackets of course)
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