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« Reply #425 on: September 28, 2009, 11:41:26 AM »

also, for nay curious...

this is how Teddy could've won in 1912.



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« Reply #426 on: September 28, 2009, 06:39:42 PM »

The Other George W.

37. George Romney (R-MI) 1969-1977
38. John Connally (R-TX) 1977-1981
39. Edmund "Jerry" Brown (D-CA) 1981-1989
40. Robert "Bob" Dole (R-KS) 1989-1993
41. Mario Cuomo (D-NY) 1993-1994*
42. Albert "Al" Gore Jr. (D-TN) 1994-1997
43. Arlen Specter (R-PA) 1997-2001
44. Albert "Al" Gore Jr. (D-TN) 2001-2005
45. Willard "Mitt" Romney (R-MA) 2005-Present
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« Reply #427 on: September 29, 2009, 11:42:04 PM »

Dewey Defeats Truman

33. Harry S. Truman (Democratic - Missouri) 1945-1949
34. Thomas E. Dewey (Republican - New York) 1949-1957
35. Richard Nixon (Republican - California) 1957-1961
36. James Roosevelt (Democratic - California) 1961-1963*
37. John F. “Jack” Kennedy (Democratic - Massachusetts) 1963-1973
38. George Wallace (Democratic - Alabama) 1973-1975*
39. Richard Nixon (Republican - California) 1975-1981
40. George Bush (Republican - Texas) 1981-1985
41. Albert “Al” Gore, Jr. (Democratic – Tennessee) 1985-1993
42. Lloyd Bentsen (Democratic – Texas) 1993-1997
43. Colin Powell (Republican – Florida) 1997-2005
44. John Kerry (Democratic – Connecticut) 2005-2009
45. Hilda Solis (Republican – California) 2009-Present

1. President James Roosevelt is killed in Dallas, Vice President John F. Kennedy takes over as President.

2. President George Wallace (A Friend of African Americans in this POD) resigns his office due to an organized Watergate Hotel break in to steal campaign secrets, Former President Nixon, known as a bastion of integrity, then serving as Speaker of the House, becomes President.

3. President Hilda Solis is our first woman and first Hispanic President, she has been a grassroots Conservative organizer for years, and was elected to the US Senate in 2000. She gained a national following in a campaign that transcended gender and race, and her campaign had a strong sense of unity.
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« Reply #428 on: September 30, 2009, 06:52:07 AM »

Dewey Defeats Truman

33. Harry S. Truman (Democratic - Missouri) 1945-1949
34. Thomas E. Dewey (Republican - New York) 1949-1957
35. Richard Nixon (Republican - California) 1957-1961
36. James Roosevelt (Democratic - California) 1961-1963*
37. John F. “Jack” Kennedy (Democratic - Massachusetts) 1963-1973
38. George Wallace (Democratic - Alabama) 1973-1975*
39. Richard Nixon (Republican - California) 1975-1981
40. George Bush (Republican - Texas) 1981-1985
41. Albert “Al” Gore, Jr. (Democratic – Tennessee) 1985-1993
42. Lloyd Bentsen (Democratic – Texas) 1993-1997
43. Colin Powell (Republican – Florida) 1997-2005
44. John Kerry (Democratic – Connecticut) 2005-2009
45. Hilda Solis (Republican – California) 2009-Present

1. President James Roosevelt is killed in Dallas, Vice President John F. Kennedy takes over as President.

2. President George Wallace (A Friend of African Americans in this POD) resigns his office due to an organized Watergate Hotel break in to steal campaign secrets, Former President Nixon, known as a bastion of integrity, then serving as Speaker of the House, becomes President.

3. President Hilda Solis is our first woman and first Hispanic President, she has been a grassroots Conservative organizer for years, and was elected to the US Senate in 2000. She gained a national following in a campaign that transcended gender and race, and her campaign had a strong sense of unity.

What happened to Wallace's Vice President?
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« Reply #429 on: September 30, 2009, 03:20:55 PM »

This TL follows the 24 TV series' storyline. As David Palmer is in 24 a one-term Senator from Maryland, it's supposed here that in this TL, Maryland Senator Paul Sarbanes resigns in 2000, his seat being taken by Congressman Albert Wynn.

CAREFUL NON-24 VIEWERS! SPOILERS HERE!

Realistic 24 TL:

43. George W. Bush (R-TX, 20/01/2001 - 20/01/2005)
44. Albert Wynn (D-MD, 20/01/2005 - 20/01/2009) *
45. Jeff Sessions (R-AL, 20/01/2009 - 03/02/2010) *
46. Tom Campbell (R-CA, 03/02/2010 - 17/08/2011) *
47. John Boehner (R-OH, 17/08/2011 - 20/01/2013) *

48. Franklin Wynn (D-MD, 20/01/2013 - 29/04/2013) *
49. Jim Webb (D-VA, 29/04/2013 - 20/01/2017)

50. Susan Collins (R-ME, 20/01/2017 - ...)

*First African American President. Vice President Bob Graham (D-FL) assumed twice the Presidency for a few hours.
*Jeff Sessions is about the same age than actor Geoff Pierson, who plays John Keeler. Keeler is a Senator who opposed health care reform in Day 3.
*Charles Logan is mentionned as a former Lt. Governor of California. Let's imagine that Tom Campbell managed to take such a position, as the last OTL Republcian Lt.Governor was Mike Curb in the 80s.
*Actor Ray Wise being an Ohian, I assume Hal Gardner would be one as such.
* I don't know if Wynn has a brother, so take this fictional buddy as such.
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« Reply #430 on: September 30, 2009, 04:58:57 PM »

Dewey Defeats Truman

33. Harry S. Truman (Democratic - Missouri) 1945-1949
34. Thomas E. Dewey (Republican - New York) 1949-1957
35. Richard Nixon (Republican - California) 1957-1961
36. James Roosevelt (Democratic - California) 1961-1963*
37. John F. “Jack” Kennedy (Democratic - Massachusetts) 1963-1973
38. George Wallace (Democratic - Alabama) 1973-1975*
39. Richard Nixon (Republican - California) 1975-1981
40. George Bush (Republican - Texas) 1981-1985
41. Albert “Al” Gore, Jr. (Democratic – Tennessee) 1985-1993
42. Lloyd Bentsen (Democratic – Texas) 1993-1997
43. Colin Powell (Republican – Florida) 1997-2005
44. John Kerry (Democratic – Connecticut) 2005-2009
45. Hilda Solis (Republican – California) 2009-Present

1. President James Roosevelt is killed in Dallas, Vice President John F. Kennedy takes over as President.

2. President George Wallace (A Friend of African Americans in this POD) resigns his office due to an organized Watergate Hotel break in to steal campaign secrets, Former President Nixon, known as a bastion of integrity, then serving as Speaker of the House, becomes President.

3. President Hilda Solis is our first woman and first Hispanic President, she has been a grassroots Conservative organizer for years, and was elected to the US Senate in 2000. She gained a national following in a campaign that transcended gender and race, and her campaign had a strong sense of unity.

What happened to Wallace's Vice President?

George McGovern is impeached as well; He specifically directed the break-in, and is a generally considered much like Cheney is today.
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« Reply #431 on: October 01, 2009, 10:20:32 PM »

LBJ: The Comeback Kid

36. Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX): 1963-1971
37. Spiro Agnew (R-MD): 1971-1972
38. John Ashbrook (R-OH): 1972-1973

39. Hubert Humphrey (D-MN): 1973-1977
40. Richard Nixon (R-CA): 1977-1981
41. Edmund G. Brown (D-CA): 1981-1989
42. John Warner (R-VA): 1989-1997
43. Bob Kerrey (D-NE): 1997-2005
44. John McCain (R-AZ): 2005-2008
45. Joseph Lieberman (I-CT): 2008-2009
46. Albert Gore, Jr. (D-TN): 2009-Current

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36. After the Democratic National Convention was deadlocked after 7 ballots, President Johnson decided to travel to Chicago to address the delegates. In his speech, he declared that he was running for reelection. LBJ won the nomination on the 8th ballot and Vice President Humphrey was again his running mate. Although LBJ trailed Nixon for most of the campaign, he decided in October to use surge tactics on North Vietnam including dropping napalm bombs and Agent Orange on over 90 percent of the country. The Communist government collapsed and the South Vietnamese army marched in to take over and declare victory. On Election Day, Johnson and Nixon were tied 255-255 in the Electoral College. The House of Representatives elected Johnson President but in the Senate, a coalition of Republicans and southern Democrats elected Spiro Agnew Vice President.

37. The pressures of dealing with the aftermath of the Vietnam War, a Republican Congress elected in 1970, protests on college campuses, and communist revolutions in Laos and Cambodia took a tool on LBJ. On August 29, 1971, Johnson suffered a fatal hear attack while on vacation at his Texas ranch. Spiro Agnew was sworn in as the new President. His pick of Congressman John Ashbrook for Vice President pleased conservatives in the Republican Party. The honeymoon was short lived as the entire cabinet resigned with the exception of Treasury Secretary John Connally and HHS Secretary Daniel Patrick Moynihan. Next, reporters Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein broke the story that President Agnew received bribes from contractors dating back to his term as Maryland Governor and continuing while he was Vice President. After Governor Ronald Reagan (R-CA) won the New Hampshire primary, the calls increased for Agnew’s impeachment. On May 15, 1972, President Agnew campaigned in his home state when Arthur Bremer assassinated him outside a shopping center in Laurel, Maryland.

38. After John Ashbrook became President, Governor Reagan announced the end of his candidacy for President and endorsed Ashbrook. In return, Ashbrook offered the Vice Presidency to Reagan but he declined. Congress ultimately confirmed House Majority Leader John Rhodes of Arizona for Vice President. The Democrats nominated the ticket of Hubert Humphrey for President and Senator Frank Church of Idaho for Vice President. The race would be decided when the states of California and Illinois were called for Humphrey after midnight, and Humphrey was elected President. In 1975, Humphrey declared that he had inoperable cancer and did not seek reelection.

39. Former Vice President Nixon would be the comeback kid. In his third try, Nixon was elected President. His running mate, Senator John Tower of Texas became Vice President. Nixon’s accomplishments in foreign policy included a peace treaty between Egypt, Israel and Jordan, and the passage of the Panama Canal and SALT II treaties. On the domestic front, Nixon successfully pushed Congress to pass a health insurance plan that allowed the insurance companies to operate across state lines and provided for a public option. However, rising unemployment and inflation hurt Nixon. He was also criticized for allowing the deposed Shah of Iran into the U.S. for medical treatment leading to the taking of hostages at the US Embassy in Teheran. The bungling of a rescue attempt of the hostages resulted in the resignation of Secretary of Defense Henry “Scoop” Jackson. But what doomed Nixon’s reelection campaign in 1980 was his health. An attack of phlebitis forced Nixon off the campaign trail for most of the last two months. The drunken appearances of Vice President Tower also hurt. Governor Jerry Brown and his running mate Senator Ernest Hollings of South Carolina won a 45 state landslide.

40. As President, Jerry Brown would govern as a centrist by supporting public works projects and income tax cuts while vetoing wasteful spending. By the end of his presidency, the unemployment rate fell to 6 percent.

41. President Warner presided over the end of the Cold War and drove out the Iraqi army from Kuwait. Thanks to the economic reforms of the Brown administration, there was no recession until 1995. Vice President Richard Lugar proved to be an ineffective campaigner as the GOP Presidential nominee in 1996.

43. After the Democrats nominated Vice President Albert Gore in 2004, Senator McCain reached across the aisle and selected his colleague Joe Lieberman as his running mate. McCain was elected President after he was declared the winner in Florida and Ohio. In January 2008, President McCain suffered a fatal heart attack.

44. First Jewish President. Already kicked out of the Democratic Party after endorsing McCain in 2004, President Lieberman decided to run as an Independent. The GOP already decided he was not conservative enough. Senator George Allen won the Republican nomination for President but his gaffes hurt his campaign as well as the recession of 2008. Al Gore and his running mate Senator Barack Obama of Illinois won a landslide victory. Poor President Lieberman would only win Maine and a single electoral vote in Nebraska (5 total electoral votes).
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« Reply #432 on: October 03, 2009, 07:39:56 PM »

LBJ: The Comeback Kid

36. Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX): 1963-1971
37. Spiro Agnew (R-MD): 1971-1972
38. John Ashbrook (R-OH): 1972-1973

39. Hubert Humphrey (D-MN): 1973-1977
40. Richard Nixon (R-CA): 1977-1981
41. Edmund G. Brown (D-CA): 1981-1989
42. John Warner (R-VA): 1989-1997
43. Bob Kerrey (D-NE): 1997-2005
44. John McCain (R-AZ): 2005-2008
45. Joseph Lieberman (I-CT): 2008-2009
46. Albert Gore, Jr. (D-TN): 2009-Current

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36. After the Democratic National Convention was deadlocked after 7 ballots, President Johnson decided to travel to Chicago to address the delegates. In his speech, he declared that he was running for reelection. LBJ won the nomination on the 8th ballot and Vice President Humphrey was again his running mate. Although LBJ trailed Nixon for most of the campaign, he decided in October to use surge tactics on North Vietnam including dropping napalm bombs and Agent Orange on over 90 percent of the country. The Communist government collapsed and the South Vietnamese army marched in to take over and declare victory. On Election Day, Johnson and Nixon were tied 255-255 in the Electoral College. The House of Representatives elected Johnson President but in the Senate, a coalition of Republicans and southern Democrats elected Spiro Agnew Vice President.

37. The pressures of dealing with the aftermath of the Vietnam War, a Republican Congress elected in 1970, protests on college campuses, and communist revolutions in Laos and Cambodia took a tool on LBJ. On August 29, 1971, Johnson suffered a fatal hear attack while on vacation at his Texas ranch. Spiro Agnew was sworn in as the new President. His pick of Congressman John Ashbrook for Vice President pleased conservatives in the Republican Party. The honeymoon was short lived as the entire cabinet resigned with the exception of Treasury Secretary John Connally and HHS Secretary Daniel Patrick Moynihan. Next, reporters Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein broke the story that President Agnew received bribes from contractors dating back to his term as Maryland Governor and continuing while he was Vice President. After Governor Ronald Reagan (R-CA) won the New Hampshire primary, the calls increased for Agnew’s impeachment. On May 15, 1972, President Agnew campaigned in his home state when Arthur Bremer assassinated him outside a shopping center in Laurel, Maryland.

38. After John Ashbrook became President, Governor Reagan announced the end of his candidacy for President and endorsed Ashbrook. In return, Ashbrook offered the Vice Presidency to Reagan but he declined. Congress ultimately confirmed House Majority Leader John Rhodes of Arizona for Vice President. The Democrats nominated the ticket of Hubert Humphrey for President and Senator Frank Church of Idaho for Vice President. The race would be decided when the states of California and Illinois were called for Humphrey after midnight, and Humphrey was elected President. In 1975, Humphrey declared that he had inoperable cancer and did not seek reelection.

39. Former Vice President Nixon would be the comeback kid. In his third try, Nixon was elected President. His running mate, Senator John Tower of Texas became Vice President. Nixon’s accomplishments in foreign policy included a peace treaty between Egypt, Israel and Jordan, and the passage of the Panama Canal and SALT II treaties. On the domestic front, Nixon successfully pushed Congress to pass a health insurance plan that allowed the insurance companies to operate across state lines and provided for a public option. However, rising unemployment and inflation hurt Nixon. He was also criticized for allowing the deposed Shah of Iran into the U.S. for medical treatment leading to the taking of hostages at the US Embassy in Teheran. The bungling of a rescue attempt of the hostages resulted in the resignation of Secretary of Defense Henry “Scoop” Jackson. But what doomed Nixon’s reelection campaign in 1980 was his health. An attack of phlebitis forced Nixon off the campaign trail for most of the last two months. The drunken appearances of Vice President Tower also hurt. Governor Jerry Brown and his running mate Senator Ernest Hollings of South Carolina won a 45 state landslide.

40. As President, Jerry Brown would govern as a centrist by supporting public works projects and income tax cuts while vetoing wasteful spending. By the end of his presidency, the unemployment rate fell to 6 percent.

41. President Warner presided over the end of the Cold War and drove out the Iraqi army from Kuwait. Thanks to the economic reforms of the Brown administration, there was no recession until 1995. Vice President Richard Lugar proved to be an ineffective campaigner as the GOP Presidential nominee in 1996.

43. After the Democrats nominated Vice President Albert Gore in 2004, Senator McCain reached across the aisle and selected his colleague Joe Lieberman as his running mate. McCain was elected President after he was declared the winner in Florida and Ohio. In January 2008, President McCain suffered a fatal heart attack.

44. First Jewish President. Already kicked out of the Democratic Party after endorsing McCain in 2004, President Lieberman decided to run as an Independent. The GOP already decided he was not conservative enough. Senator George Allen won the Republican nomination for President but his gaffes hurt his campaign as well as the recession of 2008. Al Gore and his running mate Senator Barack Obama of Illinois won a landslide victory. Poor President Lieberman would only win Maine and a single electoral vote in Nebraska (5 total electoral votes).


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« Reply #433 on: October 13, 2009, 11:26:07 PM »
« Edited: October 14, 2009, 09:22:25 AM by Andy Jackson »

"Optimism is a good characteristic..."
POD: Teddy Roosevelt wins in 1912.

28. Theodore Roosevelt (P-NY) 1913-1920*
29. Hiram Johnson (P-CA) 1920-1921*
30. William Jennings Byran (D-NE) 1921-1925*
31. Edward I. Edwards (D-NJ) 1925-1930*
32. William P. Hobby (D-TX) 1930-1933*
33. William Allen White (P-KS) 1933-1941*
34. Wendell Willkie (D-IN) 1941-1944*
35. James A. Farley (D-NY) 1944-1949*
36. George Patton (D-CA) 1949-1953*
37. Thomas Dewey (P-NY) 1953-1961
38. Hubert H. Humphrey (P-MN) 1961-1962*
39. Nelson Rockefeller (P-NY) 1962-1965*
40. Oveta C. Hobby (D-TX) 1965-1973*
41. Richard Nixon (D-CA) 1973-1977
42. Fred Harris (P-OK) 1977-1985
43. Spark Matsunaga (D-HA) 1985-1991*
44. Richard H. Stallings (D-ID) 1991-1993
45. Paul Tsongas (P-MA) 1993-1997*
46. Steven Schiff (P-NM) 1997*
47. Richard H. Stallings (D-ID) 1997-2001
48. Leslie B. McLemore (P-MS) 2001-2009*
49. Bob Graham (D-FL) 2009-Current

*Elected in 1912, Teddy Roosevelt would become the longest serving US President to current history. Roosevelt would bravely lead a vigorous fight against Germany and it's allies during the first World War after the entrance of the US in 1915 on the Allied side. Reelected in 1916, Roosevelt finished the later years of his term with victory as all over Europe, "Viva la Roosevelt" banner's were hung as the first World War came to an end. Roosevelt's health soon was in decline in the last years as in 1920, the great TR died.

*A Presidential term in the William Henry Harrison mold, Vice President Hiram Johnson took over the short remainder of Roosevelt's term. Johnson would loose election in 1920 against William Jennings Byran.

*"Fourth Time's the Charm" is what characterized Byran's victory in 1920, failing in 1896, 1900 and 1908, the aging Democratic leader took the nomination with ease and defeated Hiram Johnson. This former Private would achieve much in his short Presidency, the passage of a constitutional amendment for prohibition, taxation against narcotics, continual support of women's suffrage. His arguably largest expenditure of his political capitol would be the battle to ban the teaching of evolution in church run universities in Congress. Still in his short time, Byran proved he was a good President, though in 1925 after running a successful reelection, Byran would die suddenly in his sleep.

*A perplexing and sad Presidency, Edwards took over the reins and brightened the nation's gloom after the death of Byran. Edwards term was marked with small things for the most part , balancing economics, vetoing bills here and there, action on the 1927 Great Mississippi Flood. All of those were flakes of gold compared to the giant bar of gold that would be the latter 1920's. President Edwards wife would die in 1928, soon after the Stock Market began to go in 1929 and soon the nation was facing a great economic depression. After investments in the stock market, President Edwards lost much of his money, gaining him for a short time the titles of the "True Average American President" and the "Poor President" but in 1930, after slumping into a depression himself, President Edwards took his own life.

*The horror and sadness that followed the suicide of President Edwards and the Economic Depression were what the doomed Hobby Administration was in now. This youthful Texan would try economic stimulus and other "Recuperative Action" for the economy but still the nation was in the slump. In 1932, an American populace went to the polls and booted the Democrats out after 12 years of rule and returned the Progressives to power.

*A Democrat in the "Allies" supporter mold, Businessman Wendell Willkie began his term with small things in the first months but the great flash of horror and terror crept up on December 8th, 1941 when Japanese forces used a sneak attack method to attack Pearl Harbor, destroying and damaging a sizable portion of the anchored vessels there. The nation is shaken but President Willkie steels the resolve of the nation and the remaining Pacific Fleet would fight the bloody battle that forced the Japanese forces from Hawaii. Afterwards, Congress virtually by unanimous vote, declared war on the Empire of the Rising Sun. Soon their ally, Nazi Germany, declared war on the United States, thus bring the American fighter into what would be the second World War. All of Willkie's Administration would then turn to channeling the American Machine for war in the Pacific and to aid the Allies in Europe. On the eve of the 1944 election, President Willkie would die suddenly of a heart attack while in the Oval Office, pining away on his work to lead the country. When the story broke, the nation was hurt that another kind man that humbly took the highest office in the land, had passed away so suddenly.

*The Democratic Party boss, Vice President Farley took office and took the reins and began his lead, marching the nation to "Fulfill the legacy of Willkie" to victory in the waining times of the second World War. President Farley would also begin the leadership and stances that would become more or less the common practice towards the Soviets during the "Cold War". Farley wouldn't make a run in 1948 and would leave it wide open for one of the heroes of WW2, Patton, to succeed him.

*"Old Blood and Guts" ferociously won the 1948 election but his term would be short as his perceived radical stances against the Soviets nearly sparked war with them on several occasions. Soon gaffes became prevalent and the abrasive demeanor of President Patton didn't help. As his Administration became ever prevalent unpopular, his radical steps in Korea had some plus but his best saving grace became his support of desegregating the military, famously saying "If your black, white or blue and came aim a gun effectively, your good in my book". Patton wouldn't run for reelection in 1952 and would thus leave the election year for the Progressive to grasp.

*Elected in 1960, the continuation of many policies of the Dewey Administration, President Humphrey would be slain after making a trip down to Puerto Rico by a Puerto Rican independence supporter at Humphrey's meeting in San Juan to talk about "Strength in the Carribean for Democracy".

*Vice President Rockefeller would succeed Humphrey after his death and would loose election in 1964 after the issues facing Vietnam weighed him down.

*Seen as the perfect choice for the times, In the close 1964 election Oveta beat Rocky and would ascend to the Presidency as the first women to do so. Hobby's term were marked with some semi implementation of the "Patton Pledge" and major civil rights legislation after another important Texan and President Hobby joined forces and pushed through the 1966 Civil Rights Bill, gaining the ire of one South Carolinan, gaining the quip "Texas: The Place of Fascism!". In 1966, after tributes to peace and other token things, North Vietnam finally began it's official war against the South after a long and tedious diplomatic period held the forces at bay. President Hobby would soon rally support and come to the aid of the South, bring the military minds and might to bare. Soon the tide of war seemed favorable, Americans supported it and so did Politicians, so much that in 1968 they reelected Hobby for another term. In 1970 though, American and South Vietnamese forces began to become bogged down and popular support slowly eroded.

*Vice President Nixon took office and began a vicious and varying war strategy in Vietnam. Though the tide began to turn, many Progressives decried that it was becoming to costly if life and to deadly. Nixon instead of heeding these calls, steamed on. Victory did come and Vietnam was united under the government in Saigon but the loss of life was great and Americans had lost faith in Nixon. What would become the mantra of change in '76 would be "We may have won this war in Vietnam, but at what cost?". "At What Cost?" was taken by the Harris campaign and crushed Nixon in the 1976 election.

*"The man that could light up a room with his wit, a man that make Congress barable"-Sen. Ronald Reagan. Those were the words that summed up the man from Hawaii, Spark Matsunaga. The kind and well liked by most his peers in Congress, was elected in 1984 to carry out a moderate Presidency during his term and to make history as the first President of Asian descent. Opening up the channels evermore to the USSR, Matsunaga was seen as a man of peace for that. Though with some early warnings, what was called "A Fair Fight" against his Prostate Cancer would begin. Ultimatly another President would die an sad death and VP Stallings would take over.

*The "Greek President", Tsongas was elected in the close '92 election to carry on much of perceived Matsunaga legacy that "Stallings didn't fulfill" and would be a capable leader, until an economic slump set in around 1995. This weighed down the hopeful administration until Tsongas new pledge to the nation not to seek another term of office as President. This was sadly followed by the death of the President Tsongas when he lost the fight against his cancer.

*The shortest President in history and the first ever Jewish President, the former Vice President turned President after his loss in the 1996 Presidential Election. Schiff served out the few days left until Stallings took office.

*First African American President during the up and down War on Terror years.
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« Reply #434 on: October 14, 2009, 07:16:38 AM »

IOTL, Matsunaga died on 4/15/1990.
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« Reply #435 on: October 14, 2009, 09:12:51 AM »

IOTL, Matsunaga died on 4/15/1990.

Damn, I just got caught up that I missed that tid bit. Oh well, I think I could change it, so no biggy. Thanks for pointing that out though, probably wouldn't have noticed.
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« Reply #436 on: October 16, 2009, 06:43:04 PM »

I like your latest list a lot Andy, but I feel as though it doesn't alter history enough. I have learnt throughout my brief time on the Alternate History Discussion Board is the essence to an outstanding piece of aternate history, albeit butterflies must be taken into account.
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« Reply #437 on: October 16, 2009, 08:28:31 PM »

The Gipper Goes Down

POD: President Reagan is assassinated on March 30th, 1981.

40. Ronald Reagan (R-CA) (1981)
41. George H.W. Bush (R-TX) (1981-1989)
42. Mario Cuomo (D-NY)  (1989-1997)
43. Robert Dole (R-KS) (1997-2001)*
44. Jack Kemp (R-NY) (2001-2009)
45. Barack Obama (D-IL) (2009-present

* Killed in a terrorist attack on the White House, September 11th, 2001.
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« Reply #438 on: October 17, 2009, 09:43:11 AM »

A Woman's Place Is In The White House

POD: Senator Margaret Chase Smith announces her Presidential candidacy in January 1964

37. Margaret Chase Smith (R-ME): 1965-1973
38. William Scranton (R-PA): 1973-1975
39. Ronald Reagan (R-CA): 1975-1977

40. Henry "Scoop" Jackson (D-WA): 1977-1983
41. Frances Farenthold (D-TX): 1983-1989

42. Robert Dole (R-KS): 1989-1993
43. Paul Tsongas (D-MA): 1993-1997
44. Elizabeth Hanford (D-NC): 1997-2005

45. William Weld (R-MA): 2005-Current

37. First female President. Smith would win the NH primary in a landslide and win most of the midwest, plus defeating Barry Goldwater in a close primary in California. Stories about LBJ's ties to the Bobby Baker scandal plus the sources of LBJ's wealth enabled Smith to a comfortable win (Alabama Gov George Wallace ran as a third party candidate and swept the deep South).

38. Vice President under Smith. Assassinated 9/5/75 by Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme.

40. Died of a heart attack on 9/1/83

41. First female Governor of Texas (1973-1977) and first female Vice President of the US (1977-1983)

43. Did not run for reelection in 1996 due to health problems. Died 1/18/97, two days before the end of his term in office.

44. Second woman to be elected to a US House seat in North Carolina when she was elected in 1970. Resigned from Congress to serve as Secretary of Agriculture (1977-1981). After returning home to North Carolina to practice law, she was elected to the US Senate in 1984 when Nick Galifianakis decided to retire. First ran for President in 1992 and won most Southern states. Served as Vice President of the US from 1993-1997. During the War on Terror, President Hanford ordered military action to overthrow the Taliban government in Afghanistan after the 9/11/01 attack on the World Trade Center. US Marines found and captured Osama bin Laden and Mohammed Omar; they were extradited to the US and were convicted on all 2,000+ counts of murder. They were executed in 2003. In the case of Iraq, President Hanford decided not to send US troops there based on the finding that there were no WMDs in that country. However, she decided to use covert means to overthrow Saddam Hussein, including gun running operations and fomenting Shiite and Kurdish rebellions. Saddam and the Baath party were overthrown in January 2004 on the eve of the State of the Union address. Historians have ranked Hanford among the top 10 ranked greatest Presidents.

45. Governor of Massachusetts (1991-1999) and US Attorney General (1999-2003). After the successful prosecutions of bin Laden and Omar, Weld resigned to run for President. Weld's running mate Condoleeza Rice (R-CA, Ambassador to the UN 1989-1992 and US Senator from 1995-2009) is the first African-American Vice President of the US.
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« Reply #439 on: October 18, 2009, 11:11:01 PM »

Hey, I haven't come up with a list in a good minute, so here's a pretty good one that I think ive whipped up...

Poor George...

37. Richard M. Nixon (R-NY): January 20th 1969-August 9th 1974***
38. George H.W. Bush (R-TX): August 9th 1974-January 20th 1981

39. Dale L. Bumpers (D-AK): January 20th 1981-October 12th 1984*
40. Alan M. Cranston (D-CA): October 12th 1984-January 20th 1989**

41. Marion G. “Pat” Robertson (R-VA): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1997
42. Russ D. Feingold (D-WI): January 20th 1997-October 20th 2001*
43. Fred Thompson (R-TN): October 20th 2001-January 20th 2009
44. Rodney A. Slater (D-AK): January 20th 2009-???*

Notes

37. First to resign the office of the Presidency
39. Assassinated by the PIRA in the bombing of Brighton Hill Hotel
40. Declined to seek re-nomination, due to corruption scandal.
42. First Jewish-American President, won via House of Representatives in the Historic 2000 Election (however, the Republican congress elects Thompson as the VP). Died in office due to an Anthrax attack
44. First African American President
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« Reply #440 on: October 19, 2009, 08:06:38 AM »

The Rise of Old South (again)

37th: Richard M. Nixon (R-CA), January 20, 1969 - September 7, 1973

President Nixon resigned earlier from office

38th: Spiro T. Agnew (R-MD), September 7, 1973 - October 10, 1973

The second-briefest Presidency after W. H. Harrison so far. Vice President Agnew, already under an investigation, succeesed Nixon and month later himself was forced to go

39th: Carl B. Albert (D-OK), October 10, 1973 - October 15, 1973

And that was the briefest Presidency ever. Speaker Albert, due to lack of Vice President, succeesed Agnew, but before nomination (not to mention confirming) his V.P., he was intented to resign for as soon as he could, he fall down the stairs in the White House while heavily intoxinated and broken his neck. RIP.

40th: James O. Eastland (D-MS), October 15, 1973 - March 12, 1974

First President pro tempore of the Senate to assume the highest office via succession. An unrepeatent segregationist and racist, Eastland quickly tried to reverse everything done on civil rights field in last decade and pissed both Democrats and Republicans alike. In March 1974 he was officially kicked out the party

40th: James O. Eastland (I-MS), March 12, 1974 - October 2, 1974

After making another smilliar steps, President Eastland has been impeached and resigned minutes before the vote in Senate was to begun

41st: Thomas P. O'Neill (D-MA), October 2, 1974 - June 3, 1975

Speaker of the House, who assumed the Presidency as Congress did not confirmed Eastland choices for V.P. However, crisis was so deep that after little over half of a year in office, O'Neill was outsed by the military coup

42nd: Alexander M. Haig (M-PA), June 3, 1975 - January 20, 1981

General Haig, a leader of the military coup became the first authoritarian President in history

43rd: Richard B. Cheney (M-WY), January 20, 1981 - January 20, 1989

Although never served in a military, Cheney was Haig right-hand man, awarded by a rank of General. He thus became the second military President.

44th: Donald H. Rumsfeld (M-IL), January 20, 1989 - May 6, 1992

Another politician-turned-general. Overthroved by a blodless coup of civilian forces and some army elements.
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« Reply #441 on: October 19, 2009, 11:54:24 AM »

The Rise of Old South (again)

37th: Richard M. Nixon (R-CA), January 20, 1969 - September 7, 1973

President Nixon resigned earlier from office

38th: Spiro T. Agnew (R-MD), September 7, 1973 - October 10, 1973

The second-briefest Presidency after W. H. Harrison so far. Vice President Agnew, already under an investigation, succeesed Nixon and month later himself was forced to go

39th: Carl B. Albert (D-OK), October 10, 1973 - October 15, 1973

And that was the briefest Presidency ever. Speaker Albert, due to lack of Vice President, succeesed Agnew, but before nomination (not to mention confirming) his V.P., he was intented to resign for as soon as he could, he fall down the stairs in the White House while heavily intoxinated and broken his neck. RIP.

40th: James O. Eastland (D-MS), October 15, 1973 - March 12, 1974

First President pro tempore of the Senate to assume the highest office via succession. An unrepeatent segregationist and racist, Eastland quickly tried to reverse everything done on civil rights field in last decade and pissed both Democrats and Republicans alike. In March 1974 he was officially kicked out the party

40th: James O. Eastland (I-MS), March 12, 1974 - October 2, 1974

After making another smilliar steps, President Eastland has been impeached and resigned minutes before the vote in Senate was to begun

41st: Thomas P. O'Neill (D-MA), October 2, 1974 - June 3, 1975

Speaker of the House, who assumed the Presidency as Congress did not confirmed Eastland choices for V.P. However, crisis was so deep that after little over half of a year in office, O'Neill was outsed by the military coup

42nd: Alexander M. Haig (M-PA), June 3, 1975 - January 20, 1981

General Haig, a leader of the military coup became the first authoritarian President in history

43rd: Richard B. Cheney (M-WY), January 20, 1981 - January 20, 1989

Although never served in a military, Cheney was Haig right-hand man, awarded by a rank of General. He thus became the second military President.

44th: Donald H. Rumsfeld (M-IL), January 20, 1989 - May 6, 1992

Another politician-turned-general. Overthroved by a blodless coup of civilian forces and some army elements.

Who became President after Rumsfeld?
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« Reply #442 on: October 19, 2009, 01:37:16 PM »

Who became President after Rumsfeld?


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« Reply #443 on: October 19, 2009, 03:20:52 PM »

The Rise of Old South (again)

37th: Richard M. Nixon (R-CA), January 20, 1969 - September 7, 1973

President Nixon resigned earlier from office

38th: Spiro T. Agnew (R-MD), September 7, 1973 - October 10, 1973

The second-briefest Presidency after W. H. Harrison so far. Vice President Agnew, already under an investigation, succeesed Nixon and month later himself was forced to go

39th: Carl B. Albert (D-OK), October 10, 1973 - October 15, 1973

And that was the briefest Presidency ever. Speaker Albert, due to lack of Vice President, succeesed Agnew, but before nomination (not to mention confirming) his V.P., he was intented to resign for as soon as he could, he fall down the stairs in the White House while heavily intoxinated and broken his neck. RIP.

40th: James O. Eastland (D-MS), October 15, 1973 - March 12, 1974

First President pro tempore of the Senate to assume the highest office via succession. An unrepeatent segregationist and racist, Eastland quickly tried to reverse everything done on civil rights field in last decade and pissed both Democrats and Republicans alike. In March 1974 he was officially kicked out the party

40th: James O. Eastland (I-MS), March 12, 1974 - October 2, 1974

After making another smilliar steps, President Eastland has been impeached and resigned minutes before the vote in Senate was to begun

41st: Thomas P. O'Neill (D-MA), October 2, 1974 - June 3, 1975

Speaker of the House, who assumed the Presidency as Congress did not confirmed Eastland choices for V.P. However, crisis was so deep that after little over half of a year in office, O'Neill was outsed by the military coup

42nd: Alexander M. Haig (M-PA), June 3, 1975 - January 20, 1981

General Haig, a leader of the military coup became the first authoritarian President in history

43rd: Richard B. Cheney (M-WY), January 20, 1981 - January 20, 1989

Although never served in a military, Cheney was Haig right-hand man, awarded by a rank of General. He thus became the second military President.

44th: Donald H. Rumsfeld (M-IL), January 20, 1989 - May 6, 1992

Another politician-turned-general. Overthroved by a blodless coup of civilian forces and some army elements.

Did Eastland commit some sort of Scandal? Because you can't be impeached just because your an unrepentant racist.
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« Reply #444 on: October 19, 2009, 03:24:10 PM »

The Rise of Old South (again)

37th: Richard M. Nixon (R-CA), January 20, 1969 - September 7, 1973

President Nixon resigned earlier from office

38th: Spiro T. Agnew (R-MD), September 7, 1973 - October 10, 1973

The second-briefest Presidency after W. H. Harrison so far. Vice President Agnew, already under an investigation, succeesed Nixon and month later himself was forced to go

39th: Carl B. Albert (D-OK), October 10, 1973 - October 15, 1973

And that was the briefest Presidency ever. Speaker Albert, due to lack of Vice President, succeesed Agnew, but before nomination (not to mention confirming) his V.P., he was intented to resign for as soon as he could, he fall down the stairs in the White House while heavily intoxinated and broken his neck. RIP.

40th: James O. Eastland (D-MS), October 15, 1973 - March 12, 1974

First President pro tempore of the Senate to assume the highest office via succession. An unrepeatent segregationist and racist, Eastland quickly tried to reverse everything done on civil rights field in last decade and pissed both Democrats and Republicans alike. In March 1974 he was officially kicked out the party

40th: James O. Eastland (I-MS), March 12, 1974 - October 2, 1974

After making another smilliar steps, President Eastland has been impeached and resigned minutes before the vote in Senate was to begun

41st: Thomas P. O'Neill (D-MA), October 2, 1974 - June 3, 1975

Speaker of the House, who assumed the Presidency as Congress did not confirmed Eastland choices for V.P. However, crisis was so deep that after little over half of a year in office, O'Neill was outsed by the military coup

42nd: Alexander M. Haig (M-PA), June 3, 1975 - January 20, 1981

General Haig, a leader of the military coup became the first authoritarian President in history

43rd: Richard B. Cheney (M-WY), January 20, 1981 - January 20, 1989

Although never served in a military, Cheney was Haig right-hand man, awarded by a rank of General. He thus became the second military President.

44th: Donald H. Rumsfeld (M-IL), January 20, 1989 - May 6, 1992

Another politician-turned-general. Overthroved by a blodless coup of civilian forces and some army elements.

Did Eastland commit some sort of Scandal? Because you can't be impeached just because your an unrepentant racist.

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« Reply #445 on: October 20, 2009, 01:22:13 PM »

Watchmen Timeline

POD: The USA is victorious in Vietnam.

Richard M. Nixon (R-NY) (1969-1989)
Robert Redford (D-CA) (1989-2001)
John McCain (R-AZ) (2001-2009)
Barack Obama (D-IL) (2009-present)
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« Reply #446 on: October 20, 2009, 01:26:37 PM »


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« Reply #447 on: October 20, 2009, 03:34:50 PM »
« Edited: October 20, 2009, 09:34:38 PM by Andy Jackson »

The Scare
A little different Anarchist bombings leads to different Palmer Raids and a different Alexander M. Palmer and ultimately to a different world.....

28. Woodrow Wilson (D-NJ) 1913-1920*
29. Thomas R. Marshall (D-IN) 1920-1921*
30. Alexander M. Palmer (D-PA) 1921-1922*
31. Oscar Underwood (D-AL) 1922-1925*
32. Robert La Follette, Sr. (R-WI) 1925*
33. Theodore Roosevelt, Jr. (R-NY) 1925-1933*
34. John Garner (D-TX) 1933-1937
35. Frederick Steiwer (R-OR) 1937-1939*
36. Arthur H. Vandenberg (R-MI) 1939-1949*
37. Claude Pepper (D-FL) 1949-1957
38. Harold Stassen (R-MN) 1957-1964*
39. William F. Knowland (R-CA) 1964-1969*
40. John F. Kennedy (D-MA) 1969-1977*
41. Frances Farenthold (D-TX) 1977-1982*
42. Henry M. Jackson (D-WA) 1982-1985*
43. Howard Baker (R-TN) 1985-1993
44. Richard Holbrooke (D-NY) 1993-2001*
45. John Danforth (R-MO) 2001-2006*
46. John McKay (R-WA) 2006-2009*
47. Denise Freeman (D-GA) 2009-Current*

*Forced from office after Congressional and other means ruled Wilson "Incapable and incapacitated" to serve as President in 1920. This was of course aided by Lansing and Palmer pushing towards this in the days before the historic ruling.

*Vice President Marshall begrudgingly ascended to the Presidency after the "Wilson Ruling". Marshall's term was seen with a turbulent time, the need to transition back from a wartime period to a peacetime one was the basic need. Marshall's great victory of his short term came with the Passage of the League of Nations Treaty in the Senate, although an sliced and diced one at that. Marshall decided not the run in 1920.

*Attorney General Palmer united the warring Democratic Party as he united the factions behind him and steamed forward towards victory in 1920 over the Republicans. Continuing and building on much of President Marshall's plan and hope to undertake. In his short term, President Palmer saw several major things occur, his pardon of Eugene Debs, the growing tension with Turkey with the US support of the DRA that led to the short but bloody "Turkish-American War". In 1922, a anarchists assassinated President Palmer.

*Vice President Underwood succeeded President Palmer. Served a respectable term but lost election in 1924 after voter fatigue with the Democrats.

*Died of Cardiovascular Disease shortly into his term.

*The young son on Theodore Roosevelt and former Governor of New York, Roosevelt, Jr. succeeded La Follette in 1925 and served over the roaring 20's. Economics and the Depression that followed did Roosevelt, Jr. in as "Rooseveltvilles" and "Junior Cities" began to spring up as President Roosevelt, Jr. did what he could to sooth the ailing nation. The Republicans would loose handidly in the 1932 Election.

*Succeeding the lukewarm Garner Administration, Steiwer would announce his "Different Path" for the nation. This "Path" recalled some of the better programs implemented by President Garner and instead supplemented more business friendly programs, his other "legacy" would be his support of the United States breaking with the League of Nations, calling them "effective as lighter fuel to put out a fire". President Steiwer would die after loosing the battle with his ailing health.

*Ascended to the Presidency after the death of Frederick Steiwer, Vandenberg became the man that the American people needed at the time. Vandenberg began to implement bipartisan social and economic works that began to aileve the economic woes, announcing that he had "Seen the light" and now knew that he must work with all to "get the job done". This was only a few of the changes, Vandenberg began to transform quickly from an "isolationist" to a "internationalist" through his Presidency and after election and that fateful attack on Pearl Harbor, Vandenberg pushed forward against the Axis powers, Japan, Italy, Germany and Turkey. After being pushed to run in 1944 and in many ways break the legacy of the two terms to "finish the fight in the 2nd Great War", Vandenberg won and served through the end of the 2nd Great War in 1947 and happily left office at the end of his term in 1949. His later legacy would also lead to the creation of the "United Nations" organization.

*US Ambassador to the UN, Stassen ran a successful campaign in 1956 and beat the Democrats in that frantic election year. With the "Suez Spat" and the moves in the Hungary Revolution, only a light of a match was needed to light the powder keg. Soviet forces would be the big spark as they would move in weapons and what would turn to be, major missile bases in East Turkey. This would be a response towards the rearmament of West Germany and West Turkey and their admittance into the NATO Alliance. With that, hardball diplomacy moves made by both the United States and the Soviet Union, the powder keg exploded as Soviet forces marched across the Turkish and German borders and began what became the "3rd Great War". President Stassen led the nation in the dark days as the Allies fought against the onslaught of Soviet forces, praying that the Soviets wouldn't advance any further in their nuclear field. The 3rd Great War would steam on as in 1963, President Stassen was assassinated while on a visit to Great Britain by a communist sympathizer.

*VP Knowland succeeded Stassen and would carry out the bloody and terrible last years of the 3rd Great War and the arguably tougher reconstructions years afterwards.

*The 1st Catholic President and the former US Ambassador to the UN turned Secretary of State and now President of these United States. Kennedy embodied the changing years of the late 60's and the 70's, the bipartisan choice for Secretary of State under the Stassen and Knowland Administration, Kennedy would set out major reconstruction plans for Europe, China and other areas of the world that were rocked by the 3rd Great War. Kennedy would also being a massive funding toward the NASA program to "reach the heavens and the stars". This normalcy and coupled with change made Kennedy one of the most popular Presidents in present history.

*Governor Farenthold became the first women President in the historic 1976 Presidential election against her opponent, US Ambassador to the UN Anne Armstrong, also a Texan. Reelected in 1980, Farenthold was assassinated by a crazed man when the Madame President attended the opening of Vandenberg, what would become the highly popular and critically acclaimed film about former President Vandenberg.

*VP Jackson would ascend to the Presidency and would serve as a good man for the job but like Oscar Underwood, voter fatigue and the grand charisma that Jackson lacked did him in in the 1984 Presidential Election.

*Another US Ambassador to the UN turned President, Holbrooke would be remember as presiding over a fairly quiet era of the 90's. The great feat of the 90's occurred in 1996, with the successful manned mission of the Kennedy to Mars.

*Suffered a major heart attack in 2006 after the stress of the War on Islamic Terrorism and Neo-Communism.

*Succeeded President Danforth after the death of him, served out of the remainder of what would be the last three years of John Danforth's second term. Presided over the victory in the Second Korean War. A shaky world economy effected the American market negatively and led to a Democratic victory in 2008 over President McKay.

*The first African American President and second President to be a women, President Freeman's term has just started.
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« Reply #448 on: October 20, 2009, 08:32:16 PM »


Actually that's how it turned out in Watchmen.  Read the book if you ever have the chance (avoid the movie, though; the book is much much better).
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« Reply #449 on: October 20, 2009, 08:39:17 PM »

Another lengh list

37th: Richard Nixon (R-CA), January 20, 1969 - September 21, 1973
38th: Spiro Agnew (R-MD), September 21, 1973 - December 14, 1973
39th: Carl Albert (D-OK), December 14, 1973 - March 5, 1974
40th: Gerald Ford (R-MI), March 5, 1974 - January 20, 1981
41st: Jerry Brown (D-CA), January 20, 1981 - January 20, 1989
42nd: Bob Dole (R-KS), January 20, 1989 - January 20, 1993
43rd: Al Gore (D-TN), January 20, 1993 - March 2, 1994
44th: Tom Harkin (D-IO), March 2, 1994 - January 20, 1997
45th: Lamar Alexander (R-TN), January 20, 1997 - January 20, 2005
46th: Howard Dean (D-VT), January 20, 2005 - May 10, 2005
47th: Joe Biden (D-DE), May 10, 2005 - present

37th: Resigned due to Watergate
38th: Succeeded, resigned due to corrpution
39th: Succeeded as House Speaker, resigned following Ford confirmation as V.P.
40th: Succeeded
42nd: Defeated for reeelection
43rd: Assassinated
44th: Succeeded, then defeated for reeelction
46th: Assassinated via grenade in Tbilisi
47th: Succeeded, then elected
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