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« Reply #450 on: October 20, 2009, 09:13:15 PM »

Watchmen Timeline

POD: The USA is victorious in Vietnam.

Richard M. Nixon (R-NY) (1969-1989)
Robert Redford (D-CA) (1989-2001)
John McCain (R-AZ) (2001-2009)
Barack Obama (D-IL) (2009-present)

I don't know that Redford would have served that long.  After having one person be President for 20 years people in the US in Watchmen may have been wary of another long-serving president.

Things may also depend on whether or not Rorschach's journal was published, and if so was it believed or dismissed as a hoax. 

Let's assume Rorschach's journal is published and verified.  Ozymandias' plan to trick the world into peace surprisingly does not completely unravel.  The closeness between east and west cools but not to the point of nuclear war. 

Richard M. Nixon (R-CA)  (1969-1987)  1
Gerald Ford (R-MI)  (1987-1989)

Robert Redford (D-CA)  (1989-1995)  2
Hillary Clinton (D-AR)  (1995-2001) 3

Sam Hollis (R-CO)  (2001-2007)  4
Jon Stewart (D-NY)  (2007-present)  5

1 - dies in the middle of a heart operation
2 - the first president to serve under the new term limits of one single 6-year term
3 - the first female president; once the first lady of Arkansas, she ran for and won the Senate while her husband was still in office
4 - once the costumed hero known as Nite Owl, Dan Dreiberg went into hiding and was elected Governor of Colorado.  Unknown to all, his election was orchestrated by Dr. Manhattan, who remained hidden so his presence would not influence the decisions of mankind.  However, in his desire to make up for the influence he did have during the cold war years, he subtly does what he can to make the world a better place.  In essence, the puppet who can see the strings has become a benevolent puppet master.  Following the prevention of the mass hijackings on September 11, President Hollis decided to take the fight to those who masterminded the plan.  Al Qaeda was broken and Osama Bin Laden killed in the process. 
5 - a one-time actor and comedian who briefly turned serious journalist before becoming a senator and eventually president.
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« Reply #451 on: October 20, 2009, 09:27:35 PM »

Gerald's Demise

38. Gerald Ford (Republican - Michigan) 1974-1975*
39. Nelson Rockefeller (Republican - New York) 1975-1981
40. Sargent Shriver (Democrat - Massachusetts) 1981-1989
41. John Warner (Republican - Virginia) 1989-1997
42. Jay Rockefeller (Democrat - West Virginia) 1997-2001
43. Charles Hagel (Republican -  Nebraska) 2001-2009
44. Harold Ford (Democrat -  Tennessee) 2009-Present
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« Reply #452 on: October 20, 2009, 10:30:23 PM »

Watchmen Timeline

POD: The USA is victorious in Vietnam.

Richard M. Nixon (R-NY) (1969-1989)
Robert Redford (D-CA) (1989-2001)
John McCain (R-AZ) (2001-2009)
Barack Obama (D-IL) (2009-present)

I don't know that Redford would have served that long.  After having one person be President for 20 years people in the US in Watchmen may have been wary of another long-serving president.

Things may also depend on whether or not Rorschach's journal was published, and if so was it believed or dismissed as a hoax. 

Let's assume Rorschach's journal is published and verified.  Ozymandias' plan to trick the world into peace surprisingly does not completely unravel.  The closeness between east and west cools but not to the point of nuclear war. 

Richard M. Nixon (R-CA)  (1969-1987)  1
Gerald Ford (R-MI)  (1987-1989)

Robert Redford (D-CA)  (1989-1995)  2
Hillary Clinton (D-AR)  (1995-2001) 3

Sam Hollis (R-CO)  (2001-2007)  4
Jon Stewart (D-NY)  (2007-present)  5

1 - dies in the middle of a heart operation
2 - the first president to serve under the new term limits of one single 6-year term
3 - the first female president; once the first lady of Arkansas, she ran for and won the Senate while her husband was still in office
4 - once the costumed hero known as Nite Owl, Dan Dreiberg went into hiding and was elected Governor of Colorado.  Unknown to all, his election was orchestrated by Dr. Manhattan, who remained hidden so his presence would not influence the decisions of mankind.  However, in his desire to make up for the influence he did have during the cold war years, he subtly does what he can to make the world a better place.  In essence, the puppet who can see the strings has become a benevolent puppet master.  Following the prevention of the mass hijackings on September 11, President Hollis decided to take the fight to those who masterminded the plan.  Al Qaeda was broken and Osama Bin Laden killed in the process. 
5 - a one-time actor and comedian who briefly turned serious journalist before becoming a senator and eventually president.


Awesome list! Cheesy
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« Reply #453 on: October 21, 2009, 05:58:00 PM »

Here's a piping hot list, fresh off the Press...Based on the POD that Senator Strom Thurmond on the State's Right's ticket succeedes in keeping anyone from clinching the Presidency outright in the electoral College. With some cajoing he was able to pick up enough votes in the House for him to become declared as the winner.

The Land of Thurmond


33. Harry S. Truman (D-MO): April 12th 1945-January 20th 1949
34. J. Strom Thurmond (SR-SC): January 20th 1949-January 20th 1953*
35. Everett M. Dirksen (R-IL): January 20th 1953-January 20th 1961
36. George A. Smathers (D-FL): January 20th 1961-August 14th 1965**
37. Gerhard M. “Soappy” Williams (D-MI): August 14th 1965-January 20th 1969

38. John S. Cooper (R-KY): January 20th 1969-January 20th 1977
39. Gregory Peck (R-CA): January 20th 1977-January 20th 1981

40. Harold E. Hughes (D-IA): January 20th 1981-January 20th 1989
41. Warren B. Rudman (R-NH): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1993
42. Kent R. Hance (D-TX): January 20th 1993-January 20th 2001
43. Jesse Brown (R-VA): January 20th 2001-January 20th 2009*
44. Kathleen Kennedy-Perry (D-MD): January 20th 2009-???*

Notes.


34. First Third Party Candidate to win the White House, also first to win in the House of Representatives where neither candidate received the necessary amount of electoral votes to clinch the election.
36. Assassinated by Stokley Carmichael in Jackson, Mississippi.
43. First African American President
44. First Female/Irish-American President
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« Reply #454 on: October 22, 2009, 07:21:26 AM »


41. Warren B. Rudman (R-NH): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1993


41. first Jewish President
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« Reply #455 on: October 22, 2009, 08:09:18 AM »

Nixon's The One

35. Richard M. Nixon (R-CA): 1961-1969
36. Hubert H. Humphrey, Jr. (D-MN): 1969-1975
37. Albert Gore, Sr. (D-TN): 1975-1977

38. Robert Finch (R-CA): 1977-1981
39. Brendan Byrne (D-NJ): 1981-1989
40. John Warner (R-VA): 1989-1997
41. Mel Carnahan (D-MO): 1997-2000
42. Hubert H. “Skip” Humphrey III (D-MN): 2000-2009

43. W. Mitt Romney (R-MA): 2009-Current

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36. Died from inoperable cancer on January 11, 1975

37. Lost to Governor Robert Finch in 1976

39. First Roman Catholic President

40. First Southerner elected President since James K. Polk in 1844. Secretary of Defense during the Finch Presidency and elected Senator in 1982

41. Died in plane crash on October 17, 2000. Succeeded by Vice President Humphrey

42. Carnahan’s name remained on the ballot as President. After the Carnahan-Humphrey ticket defeat the Republican McCain-Cheney ticket that November, President Humphrey asked the Democratic Electors to elect Senator Albert Gore Jr. for Vice President. In a special session, Congress voted to approve Gore and he was sworn in before Thanksgiving.

43. Elected to the US Senate in 1994 after Bobby Kennedy’s retirement. Elected Governor in 2002 and defeated Vice President Gore in 2008 due to recession to become the first Mormon President
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« Reply #456 on: October 24, 2009, 04:05:57 PM »

Ok, Im not sure how many AH.comer's we have on this board, but one of the most popular timelines this year was an unfinished timeline by Statachios called A World of Laughter, A World of Tears...based on the pod that Walt Disney himself, is given the Republican Nomination in 1952 and the onsoing dystopia that he ends up creating. This my homage to the timeline, as I postulate it would turn out if stat had continued up untill the Present Day...You can read the timeline here: http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=113866

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A World of Laughter, A World of Tears

33. Harry S. Truman (D-MO): April 12th 1945-January 20th 1953
34. Walter E. “Walt” Disney (R-CA): January 20th 1953-December 15th 1959*
35. Everett M. Dirksen (R-IL): December 15th 1959-January 20th 1961

36. Herman E. Talmadge (D-GA): January 20th 1961-November 22nd 1963*
37. Richard J. Daley (D-IL): November 22nd 1963-January 20th 1969**

38. George L. Rockwell (R-VA): January 20th 1969-August 25th 1972*
39. George S. Romney (R-MI): August 25th 1972-January 20th 1977**

40. Henry M. “Scoop” Jackson (D-WA): January 20th 1977-September 1st 1983*
41. Anita J. Bryant (D-FL): September 1st 1983-January 20th 1989**

42. John C. “Jack” Danforth (R-MO): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1997
43. Thomas H. “Tom” Kean (R-NJ): January 20th 1997-January 20th 2001

44. Richard M. Daley (D-IL): January 20th 2001-July 16th 2005*
45. James E. Folsom Jr. (D-GA): July 16th 2005-January 20th 2009

46. Clarence Thomas (R-MO): January 20th 2009-???**

Notes

34. Died in office due to complications of Lung Cancer.
36. Assassinated by a group of Nation of Islam terrorists in New York City.
37. First Irish-American President
38. Assassinated by John Patler in Arlington, Virginia
39. First Mormon President
40. Died in office due to an aortic aneurysm.
41. First Female President
44. Assassinated in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania via Islamic Fundamentalist car bomb Attack.
46. First African-American President.
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« Reply #457 on: October 24, 2009, 04:56:12 PM »

Ok, Im not sure how many AH.comer's we have on this board, but one of the most popular timelines this year was an unfinished timeline by Statachios called A World of Laughter, A World of Tears...based on the pod that Walt Disney himself, is given the Republican Nomination in 1952 and the onsoing dystopia that he ends up creating. This my homage to the timeline, as I postulate it would turn out if stat had continued up untill the Present Day...You can read the timeline here: http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=113866

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A World of Laughter, A World of Tears

33. Harry S. Truman (D-MO): April 12th 1945-January 20th 1953
34. Walter E. “Walt” Disney (R-CA): January 20th 1953-December 15th 1959*
35. Everett M. Dirksen (R-IL): December 15th 1959-January 20th 1961

36. Herman E. Talmadge (D-GA): January 20th 1961-November 22nd 1963*
37. Richard J. Daley (D-IL): November 22nd 1963-January 20th 1969**

38. George L. Rockwell (R-VA): January 20th 1969-August 25th 1972*
39. George S. Romney (R-MI): August 25th 1972-January 20th 1977**

40. Henry M. “Scoop” Jackson (D-WA): January 20th 1977-September 1st 1983*
41. Anita J. Bryant (D-FL): September 1st 1983-January 20th 1989**

42. John C. “Jack” Danforth (R-MO): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1997
43. Thomas H. “Tom” Kean (R-NJ): January 20th 1997-January 20th 2001

44. Richard M. Daley (D-IL): January 20th 2001-July 16th 2005*
45. James E. Folsom Jr. (D-GA): July 16th 2005-January 20th 2009

46. Clarence Thomas (R-MO): January 20th 2009-???**

Notes

34. Died in office due to complications of Lung Cancer.
36. Assassinated by a group of Nation of Islam terrorists in New York City.
37. First Irish-American President
38. Assassinated by John Patler in Arlington, Virginia
39. First Mormon President
40. Died in office due to an aortic aneurysm.
41. First Female President
44. Assassinated in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania via Islamic Fundamentalist car bomb Attack.
46. First African-American President.


Ick, I have never seen so many assholes as President.
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« Reply #458 on: October 24, 2009, 07:58:35 PM »

The Liberal Party of America
New York's third party and Willkie's hopes come to fruition all on account of Willkie lives a little longer.

33. Harry Truman (D-MO) 1945-1949
34. Wendell Willkie (L-NY) 1949*
35. Henry Wallace (L-IA) 1949-1953*
36. W. Averell Harriman (D-NY) 1953-1961
37. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) 1961-1963*
38. John F. Kennedy (D-MA) 1963-1969*
39. Eugene McCarthy (L-MN) 1969-1973
40. James L. Buckley (D/NU-NY) 1973-1977*
41. Nelson Rockefeller (L-NY) 1977-1980*
42. John Brademas (D-IN) 1980-1981*
43. Steve Symms (D-ID) 1981-1989
44. Mario Cuomo (L/NU-NY) 1989-1997*
45. John McCain (R/NU-AZ) 1997-2005*
46. Richard Gephardt (D-MO) 2005-2009
47. Russ Feingold (L-WI) 2009-Current*

*Mayor Willkie was elected with former Vice President Wallace over Truman, Taft and Thurmond in 1948 on the Liberal Party of America ticket. Died shortly in office in 1949.

*Former Vice President under FDR, became President on death of Willkie. Didn't win reelection in 1952.

*Elected in 1960, assassinated in Florida by a supposed Cuban communist supporter.

*VEEP under Kefauver, first Catholic President John F. Kennedy was weighed down by Vietnam, lost election in 1968.

*United the then conservative Republican Party and the Democratic Party into a "National Unity" in 1972. Buckley lost reelection in 1976 and the National Unity Alliance broke and the Republicans had many of it's conservative members leave to be officially Democrats from now on.

*Died of a massive stroke before the 1980 Liberal Party Nomination.

*Speaker of the House Brademas ascended to the Presidency after the death of President Rockefeller in 1980 and Vice President Humphrey in 1978. Served out remainder of Rockefeller's term.

*The Governor of New York, Mario Cuomo forged another "National Unity" Alliance with the now moderate GOP, choosing Senate Minority Leader John McCain as his runningmate. Served two terms.

*Became the first Republican President since Herbert Hoover, presided over two terms of office, led to the dissolution of the remainder of the GOP and them officially joining the Liberal Party.

*First Jewish President.
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« Reply #459 on: October 25, 2009, 09:42:35 AM »

Hannibal!

15th: James Buchanan (D-PA), March 4, 1857 - March 4, 1861
16th: Hannibal Hamlin (R-ME), March 4, 1861 - March 4, 1865
17th: John C. Fremont (U-CA), March 4, 1865 - March 4, 1869
18th: John B. McClellan (D-NJ), March 4, 1869 - ...

16th: Inaugurated in a place of assassinated in Baltimore President-elect Abraham Lincoln, first Republican President. He pushed much more radical line in civil war. After severeal failures and edangered the D.C., Hamlin lost to an unusual coallition of Northern War Democrats and Radical Republicans, who abandoned their own President.

17th: President Fremont of the "Unity Party" succesfully defeated South in 1866, but chose not to seek Reelection due to coallition downfall.

18th: One of the most famed Civil War Generals, who captured Atlanta. Elected over Republican Benjamin Wade
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« Reply #460 on: October 25, 2009, 11:45:54 AM »

Hannibal!

15th: James Buchanan (D-PA), March 4, 1857 - March 4, 1861
16th: Hannibal Hamlin (R-ME), March 4, 1861 - March 4, 1865
17th: John C. Fremont (U-CA), March 4, 1865 - March 4, 1869
18th: John B. McClellan (D-NJ), March 4, 1869 - ...

16th: Inaugurated in a place of assassinated in Baltimore President-elect Abraham Lincoln, first Republican President. He pushed much more radical line in civil war. After severeal failures and edangered the D.C., Hamlin lost to an unusual coallition of Northern War Democrats and Radical Republicans, who abandoned their own President.

17th: President Fremont of the "Unity Party" succesfully defeated South in 1866, but chose not to seek Reelection due to coallition downfall.

18th: One of the most famed Civil War Generals, who captured Atlanta. Elected over Republican Benjamin Wade

Good, but it's George McClellan. Smiley
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« Reply #461 on: October 25, 2009, 04:28:46 PM »

Hannibal!

15th: James Buchanan (D-PA), March 4, 1857 - March 4, 1861
16th: Hannibal Hamlin (R-ME), March 4, 1861 - March 4, 1865
17th: John C. Fremont (U-CA), March 4, 1865 - March 4, 1869
18th: John B. McClellan (D-NJ), March 4, 1869 - ...

16th: Inaugurated in a place of assassinated in Baltimore President-elect Abraham Lincoln, first Republican President. He pushed much more radical line in civil war. After severeal failures and edangered the D.C., Hamlin lost to an unusual coallition of Northern War Democrats and Radical Republicans, who abandoned their own President.

17th: President Fremont of the "Unity Party" succesfully defeated South in 1866, but chose not to seek Reelection due to coallition downfall.

18th: One of the most famed Civil War Generals, who captured Atlanta. Elected over Republican Benjamin Wade

Good, but it's George McClellan. Smiley

Thanks, I admitt I haven't check it before Smiley
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« Reply #462 on: October 28, 2009, 11:15:58 PM »

1. George Washington (I), 1789-1797
2. John Adams (F), 1797-1801
3. Thomas Jefferson (DR), 1801-1809
4. Aaron Burr (DR), 1809-1813
5. John Jay (HF), 1813-1817
6. James Madison (DR), 1817-1825
7. John Quincy Adams (F), 1825-1829
8. Andrew Jackson (DR), 1829-1841[1]
9. Martin Van Buren (R), 1841-1849[2]
10. William Magnum (F), 1849-1853[3]

1.  First president to serve for more than two terms.
2.  By this time the Democratic-Republicans had split into two parties, just as the Federalists did in 1799 (IOTL).
3.  After the moderate Federalist Party was absorbed by the Republicans, after the southern wing broke away, the High Federalist Party shortened it's name to that of it's dead companion.
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« Reply #463 on: October 29, 2009, 12:04:52 PM »

Rocky Road

I posted a list of alternate governors of New York in a universe in which Rockefeller wins the GOP nomination and is elected President. The following list starts with the Rockefeller Presidency.

35. Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY): 1961-1969
36. Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX): 1969-1972
37. Edmund G. “Pat” Brown (D-CA): 1972-1973

38. Barry Goldwater (R-AZ): 1973-1977
39. Robert F. Kennedy (D-NY): 1977-1985
40. Howard Baker (R-TN): 1985-1993
41. Mario Cuomo (D-NY): 1993-2001
42. John McCain (R-AZ): 2001-2005
43. Joseph P. Kennedy II (D-MA): 2005-Current

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36. Died in office of heart attack on 1/20/72

37. First Roman Catholic President
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« Reply #464 on: October 29, 2009, 01:43:13 PM »

The Failure of Dr. White


34th: Dwight David "Ike" Eisenhower (R-PA) | Richard Milhous Nixon (R-CA) January 20th 1953 - September 24th 1955

35th: Richard Milhous Nixon (R-CA) | Vacant September 24th 1955 - January 20th 1957 / Christian Archibald Herter (R-MA) January 20th 1957 - December 12th 1963

36th:  Christian Archibald Herter (R-MA) | Vacant December 12th 1963 - January 20th 1965

37th: John Fitzgerald "Jack" Kennedy (D-MA) | William Stuart Symington (D-MO) January 20th 1965 - January 20th 1973

38th: James A. Rhodes (R-OH) | Clifford Case (R-NJ) January 20th 1973 - February 10th 1974

39th: Clifford Case (R-NJ) | Vacant February 10th 1974 - March 23rd 1974 / Ronald Wilson Reagan (R-CA) March 23rd 1974 - January 20th - 1977

40th: George Corley Wallace, Jr. (D-AL) | John Herschel Glenn, Jr. (D-OH) January 20th 1977 - January 20th 1981

41st: Ronald Wilson Reagan (R-CA) | Gerald Rudolph Ford Jr. (R-MI) January 20th 1981 - January 20th 1989

42nd: Gary Hart (D-CO) | Dick Gephardt (D-MO) January 20th 1989 - August 20th 1994

Acting: Dick Gephardt (D-MO) August 20th 1994 - November 15th 1994

42nd: Gary Hart (D-CO) | Dick Gephardt (D-MO) November 15th 1994 - January 20th 1997

43rd: Dick Gephardt (D-MO) | Larry Agran (D-CA) January 20th 1997 - January 20th 2001

44th: John Ellis "Jeb" Bush (R-FL) | Colin Luther Powell (R-NY) January 20th 2001 - January 20th 2009

45th: Joseph Robinette "Joe" Biden, Jr. (D-DE) | Thomas James "Tom" Vilsack (D-IO) January 20th 2009 - Current



34) Died of a massive heart-attack while visiting in-laws in Denver Colorado.

35) Richard Nixon's tenure as President is shrouded in controversy. While not supportive of integration as a whole, he would aid in the passage of Civil Rights bills during the 50's and 60's, giving only lukewarm support from the White House. The Suez Crisis would be avoided when he promised increased aid in economic projects to Nasser, in return for UN control of the Suez Canal. Also, Hungary would narrowly be able to maintain its independence from the Soviet Union in the 1956 Revolution, following covert aid from the United States. The Cuban Civil War would dominate the remainder of his Presidency from 1959-1963, as American forces attempted to install a democratic system, despite protests at home. Nixon would be assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald while visiting American troops in Miami.

36) Acting more as a placeholder until the next election, Herter's administration almost entirely dealt with the Cuban Civil War, and an increasingly desperate situation in Southeast Asia. He would happily leave office in 1965 to return to the governorship.

37) With his marriage to Marilyn Monroe almost having brought down his candidacy, JFK had managed to make quite a rebound upon entering the office. Civil Rights managed to achieve their final success, though somewhat weaker than OTL, though busing was entirely avoided. Calls for intervention in Vietnam were met with the deployment of several thousand advisors, who were withdrawn following the collapse of Diem's regime in 1968. Troops were likewise withdrawn from Cuba in 1966, though by that time the Democratic government had been able to maintain its own power. NASA would receive a massive boost in funding during this period, though the lunar race was very narrow (the American and Soviet landings of 1971 were about 5 months apart, America's favor). The President would approve of the Apollo Applications Program, which he would convince President-elect Rhodes to keep. Kennedy would return to the Senate, and later replace Herter as Governor of Massachusetts.

38) James Rhodes Presidency is considered by historians to rather be known as "the lazy presidency". Not much was done during his short tenure, with a world largely at peace, domestic prosperity and calm, and a Democratic Congress. His only major achievement was the Shangri-La Peace Accords, a peace treaty between Nasser's Arab Republic and Israel. Rhodes would be assassinated in office when Samuel Byck crashed a hijacked DC-9 into the White House

39) Clifford Case's Presidency was in a bad position. The economy quickly went south shortly after Rhodes's death, Siam was embroiled in a war with Vietnam, oil prices were rocketing to unprecedented levels, etc. Despite his attempts to appease the public, he would be rejected a mandate in the 1976 Presidential Election. The major high-point in his career would be the finished construction of Lunar Outpost Fred Haise, along with Space Station Freedom.

40) Wallace was thrust into a nation in turmoil after having achieved the highest office. Passing a major stimulus bill that sought to bring the economy back onto its feet. Though it worked to a degree, the economy did not rebound as hoped and instead made only steady movement toward recovery. One of his major goals was the passage of a program known as the Great Society, which had been suggested and outlined by Lyndon Baines Johnson, a former Senator from Texas, who had retired in 1955. While some parts of the program made it through, the Republican gains in the House in 1978 for the most part killed its progress. His Presidency would fall following the Iranian Revolution, where American troops were deployed to destroy the completed Bushehr reactor, and save the hostages from the American embassy.

41) Reagan's victory was jointly followed by the Republican Party capturing both the House and the Senate. His foreign policy almost entirely was based on covert operations to overthrow communist regimes around the globe, most prominently Nicaragua. The Soviet Union's invasion of Afghanistan in 1981 was met by support of Afghan militants by the United States, leading to their failure and eventual withdrawal from the country in 1990. At the same time, a successful manned landing on the surface of Mars was made by the US in Apollo 78 on July 12th, 1985 (the Soviet Union had conducted a flyby in 1983). The increasingly successful space industry, especially in regards to lunar materials, resulted in an economic boom from 1983, which continues to this day.

42) Gary Hart's administration is one of interest. Narrowly defeating Gerald Ford, Hart for the most part concentrated on finishing what George Wallace had started at the end of the 70's. However, Republican resistance in Congress prevented such propositions as Universal Healthcare and Wealth fare from being passed. One of the few successes, rather, was the Food Stamp Act, which provided those who could not afford a decent meal with the said item. However, Hart's Domestic policy was overshadowed by the 8/20 attacks, in which his wife, Donna Hart, and two of his three children were killed while in Manila. He would be hospitalized for a period of three months before returning to office, at which point it had been identified that Ramzi Yousef, a member of Al Qaeda, was the mastermind behind the attacks. Afghanistan, considered a harbor for the organization Al Qaeda, was invaded by NATO forces at the end of 1994, despite protests from the Union of Sovereign States, which was itself embroiled in a state of Civil War. The War on Terror was still ongoing when Hart left office in 1997 with relatively high approval ratings. However, he would slip into a massive depression during his later years, and would die after hitting his head on the corner of a table following a drunken episode.

43) Dick Gephardt would begin where Hart left off. The Afghan War had been moderately successful, though Taliban and Al Qaeda militants had retreated into Pakistan. Requests had been made, but Pakistan denied NATO the ability to enter into Warzistan, a lawless region ruled by numerous Islamic emirates. When attacks on NATO forces began to increase in number, Gephardt ordered American troops into Warzistan despite the position of Pakistan. Rather than end the threat, it merely pushed the insurgents out of the region, resulting in the 1998 Pakistani Revolution, which created an Islamic Republic similar in nature to that of Iran. The country was entirely occupied by the end of 1999, but the war was becoming increasingly unpopular. India would take over the occupation following the withdrawal of NATO troops from the majority of the country in 2000. Still, it was not enough for reelection.

44) Jeb Bush was immediately faced with the problem with how to deal with the Union of Sovereign States, which had completely dissolved in the last few months before taking office. Ethnic groups had largely secured their own homelands, and genocide, especially against Russians, was on the rise. Still, not much could be done, and any action in the region was generally considered to be rather unpopular. NATO forces would secure strategic assets throughout the Soviet Union, including as many nuclear warheads as possible, but its Balkanization made such assurances and security shaky at best. At the same time, both Iran and Iraq had procured nuclear weapons in the last couple years, resulting in a nuclear exchange in 2003 that devastated the region. Still, the War on Terror, by 2005, was considered for the most part won. Private American companies had, under the 2002 Lunar Act, begun mining for resources in the Asteroid Belt, most notably Halliburton. A Martian base had been established, and the Lunar Outpost, including Space Station Ellison, was opened to the public.

45) Not much can be said yet of Joe Biden.
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« Reply #465 on: October 29, 2009, 03:47:43 PM »

The Failure of the Independent Experiment


40th: John Baynard Anderson (I-IL) | Patrick Joseph Lucey (I-WS) January 20th 1981 - January 20th 1985

41st: George Herbert Walker Bush (R-TX) | Howard Henry Baker, Jr. (R-TN) January 20th 1985 - January 20th 1993

42nd: Henry Ross Perot (R-TX) | John Sidney McCain III (R-AZ) January 20th 1993 - January 20th 2001

43rd: Henry Warren Beatty (D-CA) | Paul David Wellstone (D-MN) January 20th 2001 - January 20th 2005

44th: John Sidney McCain III (R-AZ) | John Mathias Engler (R-MI) January 20th 2005 - Current
 
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« Reply #466 on: October 29, 2009, 05:38:12 PM »

Glad to see you back with form, Lahbas Smiley
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« Reply #467 on: October 30, 2009, 04:47:01 PM »

Ford takes his “back-up” nominee and selects Donald Rumsfeld as Vice President in 1974

38. Gerald Ford 1974-1977
39. Jimmy Carter 1977-1981
40. Donald Rumsfeld 1981
41. Bob Dole 1981-1989
42. Mario Cuomo 1989-1997
43. Elizabeth Dole 1997-2005
44. Joe Biden 2005-2009
45. Mitt Romney 2009-current

40. With backing from Former President Ford and George H.W. Bush (who does not run), Rumsfeld defeat Ronald Reagan for the nomination and beats Carter in a landslide. Assassinated by John Hinkley Jr. on 30MAR1981

41. President Dole’s first term see the economy grow, but at a slower rate than Reagan’s.  Tax cut are not as steep.  Still Dole easily defeats Walter Mondale by winning 42 states.  Overall popular due to a booming economy, he leaves office with an approval rating of 67%.

42. Elected narrowly over Vice President Jack Kemp. Cuomo repeals most of the Dole tax cuts and increases government programs.  The thawing of the Cold War in 1992 aided Cuomo in defeating Jack Kemp, again, in another tight election.  Republicans take over Congress in 1994 and relations between Congress and the President remain deadlock.  Cuomo twice is unable to pass health care legislation and the economy is in a severe recession by 1996.  Cuomo leaves office with a 33% approval rating.

43. Simply running on her husband’s name, Dole defeats Senator John Kerry by nearly 15 percentage points.  Dole and the Republican congress reinstate the Bob Dole tax cuts and reduce spending.  Economy rebound quickly.  Re-elected over Chris Dodd in 2000 with 60% of the popular vote, Dole’s second term is marked by the 9/11 attacks and Dole’s inability to execute the War on Terrorism.  The economy remains strong however; Dole is blamed for not taking better actions to prevent terrorism prior to 9/11. Dole’s approval rating is 46% when she leaves office.

44. Elected over Dole's Vice President, Connie Mack, Biden sets a more effective plan on the War on Terrorism in Afghanistan, with some success.  However, with the economy in a recession in late 2008, Mitt Romney narrowly edges out Biden in the 2008 election.
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« Reply #468 on: November 02, 2009, 10:38:01 PM »

Spirit of Independents

37. Richard Nixon (R-CA): January 20, 1969-October 5, 1973
38. Spiro Agnew (R-MD): October 5, 1973-October 10, 1973

39. Carl Albert (D-OK): October 10-October 12, 1973
40. James Eastland (D, I-MS): October 12, 1973-August 9, 1974
41. Thomas P. O'Neill (D-MA): August 9, 1974-January 20, 1981
42. Fred Harris (D-OK): January 20, 1981-January 20, 1985

43. Pierre DuPont IV (R-DE): January 20, 1985-January 20, 1993
44. Paul Tsongas (D-MA): January 20, 1993-January 18, 1997
45. James Hunt (D-NC): January 18, 1997-January 20, 2001

46. Angus King (I-ME): January 20, 2001-January 20, 2009
47. L. Douglas Wilder (I-VA): January 20, 2009-Current


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37. The stresses of dealing with the Watergate scandal and the legal problems of Vice President Spiro Agnew resulted in a phlebitis attack and cardiac arrest which took President Nixon’s life.

38. Agnew’s Presidency would last only 5 days. He became the first President to resign the office after pleading guilty to tax evasion and other corruptions charges dating back to his days as Baltimore County Executive and Governor of Maryland.

39. With the Presidency and Vice Presidency vacant, Speaker Carl Albert was next in line to become President. According to Bob Woodward’s biography published in 1981, Albert intended to nominate House Minority Leader Gerald Ford for Vice President and resign the Presidency once Ford was inaugurated. But that never became reality as Albert’s drinking problems contributed to his death after only two days as President, the shortest tenure of any Presidency. The House of Representatives did not yet elect a new Speaker when President Albert died. Thus giving us the Presidency of…

40. James Eastland became the first Senate President Pro Tempore to move up to the Presidency. An unreconstructed, bigoted segregationist, Eastland had his work cut for him. In his first official act as President, Eastland fired Henry Kissinger as Secretary of State and nominated retired General Curtis Le May. The Senate declared that nomination dead on arrival. His attempts to nominate a new Vice President were no better. Congress refused to confirm Richard J. Daley, Lester Maddox (which got Eastland kicked out of the Democratic party), William Westmoreland and Meldrim Thompson. Many prominent Democrats and Republicans pleaded with President Eastland to pick Gerald Ford, but Eastland refused to nominate “that n***er loving, socialist coddling, Zionist.” But the final straw came when Eastland pressured Federal prosecutors to bring charges against numerous black politicians. After the House passed Articles of Impeachment, the Senate voted 97-3 to convict Eastland and remove him from office (only Senators Jesse Helms, John Stennis and John Bell Williams, appointed to replace Eastland, voted not to convict).

41. Speaker of the House Tip O’Neill became the fourth President in 11 months. He vowed to restore honor back to the Presidency and even reached out to Republicans for cabinet appointments, such as former Congressman George Bush for Secretary of Commerce and convinced George Romney to return to the cabinet as Secretary of HUD. O’Neill nominated former Senator Fred Harris for Vice President. O’Neill lobbied Congress to pass a highway construction bill and modest tax cuts which resulted in lowering the unemployment rate and cutting inflation. O’Neill also succeeded in reaching a trade agreement with Canada resulting in opening up Canada’s oil supply and reducing American dependence on foreign oil. In foreign affairs, O’Neill convinced Israel and Egypt to sign a peace treaty, and handed over the Panama Canal back to Panama. On the other hand, the overthrow of the Shah of Iran, Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and continuing sectarian violence in Northern Ireland happened on O’Neill’s watch. In 1976, O’Neill won the election over former California Governor Ronald Reagan. O’Neill left office with popularity ratings reaching 70 percent and is rated among the top ten greatest Presidents.

42. Harris defeated Senator Robert Dole in 1980 to win the White House. When a Supreme Court seat opened up, President Harris nominated former Congresswoman Barbara Jordan and she became the first female Supreme Court Justice. Harris failed to win reelection due to the recession of 1983-1984 and the pullout from US Marines from Lebanon after a terrorist suicide bomb attack on their barracks.

43. President DuPont would preside over the most conservative administration as his Cabinet was filled corporate, business-friendly types. DuPont pushed for the largest tax cut in history that was championed by Treasury Secretary William Roth and Commerce Secretary Jack Kemp. Also, ownership of public housing in the inner cities was transferred to its residents. The economic recovery helped to reelect DuPont in 1988. In his second term, Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait in 1990 resulted in military action that drove the Iraqis from that country. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld wanted to march into Baghdad and capture Saddam Hussein but was overruled by DuPont. However, the CIA provided covert assistance to the Kurdish and Shiite rebellions that overthrew Saddam on December 25, 1991. But the recession and Savings & Loan scandals hurt the Republicans as former Senator Paul Tsongas defeated Vice President Malcolm Wallop in 1992.

44. President Tsongas’ pro-business liberalism resulted in a much needed economic recovery and decreased the budget deficit. In foreign affairs, Tsongas’ Secretary of State Claiborne Pell was able to broker an agreement that returned Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide from exile and averted a possible civil war in Rwanda. Iraq would emerge as a beacon of democracy in the Middle East. In late 1995, Tsongas cited the recurrence of his cancer in deciding not to seek reelection.

45. Vice President and former Senator Jim Hunt easily won the Democratic Presidential nomination. He joins James K. Polk as the only North Carolinians to serve as President. He continued the economic policies of his predecessor and was able to eliminate the deficit by 1998. President Hunt’s biggest foreign policy challenge came from the troubles in Yugoslavia. Heeding Defense Secretary Sam Nunn’s advice, Hunt did not get involved militarily but backed economic sanctions and a NATO blockade of Yugoslavian ships. Vuk Draskovic defeated incumbent President Slobodan Milosevic in Yugoslavia and made an uneasy peace with Kosovo and restored its autonomy which ended the sanctions. Hunt decided not to seek reelection in 2000.

46. With the Democrats nominating John Kerry (too liberal) and the Republicans nominating  James Inhofe (very conservative), former Maine Governor Angus King capitalized on the ideological divide and selected Senator John McCain (R-AZ) as his running mate. The King/McCain ticket swept the Northeast, New England, West Coast and interior Western states. President King’s first order of business was to take on wasteful spending and to amend the Constitution to give the President a line item veto. The 9/11/01 terrorist attacks thrust the United States into a War on Terror. The US led a coalition of NATO countries and even Iraq in the invasion of Afghanistan and put the Taliban and al-Qaeda out of business. British troops found Osama bin Laden’s hiding place in Kandahar. In the ensuing battle, bin Laden and Taliban leader Mohammad Omar were killed (good riddance). Iraqi troops patrolled Afghanistan’s countryside, allowing American, Canadian and British troops to concentrate their presence in and around Kabul. Hamid Karzai became the first democratically elected President of Afghanistan in 2001 and retired in 2009 to make way for his successor Ahmad Shah Massoud. King easily won reelection over Senator George Allen (R-VA) and Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY). On March 4, 2005, Vice President McCain suffered a fatal heart attack. Congress confirmed former Virginia Governor Doug Wilder as the first African-American Vice President. With peace in Afghanistan, King was able to broker a landmark peace deal resulting in a Palestinian homeland (after some covert gun running operations to Fatah that ended Hamas rule in the Gaza Strip). King would share the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and Israel Prime Minister Tzipi Livni.

47. First African-American President. Wilder decided to run as an Independent instead of seeking the Democratic nomination (went to New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson). The Republicans nominated former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani in a divided convention.  Wilder inherited Angus King’s supporters and won most of the South. Shortly after Wilder’s inauguration, the Line Item Veto Amendment was added to the Constitution. At press time, Wilder enjoys job approval ratings of 55-60 percent.
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« Reply #469 on: November 04, 2009, 10:10:37 AM »
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POD: Nixon goes a completely different direction with a "Southern Strategy" and chooses MLK as his VEEP.

President List

36. Lyndon Johnson (1963-1969) D-TX
37. Richard Nixon (1969-1974) R-CA*
38. Carl Albert (1974) D-OK*
39. Martin Luther King, Jr. (1974-1977) R-AL*
40. Birch Bayh (1977-1981) D-IN
41. George H.W. Bush (1981-1983) R-TX*
42. James R. Thompson (1983-1989) R-IL
43. Coretta Scott King (1989-1994) D-AL*
44. Dick Gephardt (1994-2001) D-MO
45. Dan Quayle (2001-2005) R-IN*
46. Lamar Alexander (2005-2009) R-TN
47. Ty Ross (2009-Current) D-AZ*

*Resigned after Watergate scandal.

*Became President with Presidency, Vice Presidency vacant, nominated King as Vice President and resigned.

*First African American President.

*Assassinated by Iranian radical.

*First Female President, assassinated on the trail for candidates in the 1994 Congressional Elections.

*Assassinated by Vladimir Arutyunian in Georgia.

*First Homosexual President.

Vice President List

 39. Martin Luther King, Jr. (1969-1973) R-AL*
40. Martin Luther King, Jr. (1974) R-AL*
41. Nelson Rockefeller (1974-1977) R-NY
42. Jerry Brown (1977-1981) D/I-CA*
43. James R. Thompson (1981-1983) R-IL
44. Howard Baker (1984-1989) R-TN
45. Dick Gephardt (1989-1994) D-MO
46. Patricia Schroeder (1994-2001) D-CO*
47. Lamar Alexander (2001-2006) R-TN
48. Mark Neumann (2006-2009) R-WI
49. Evan Bayh (2009-Current) D-IN

*First African American Vice President, resigned after "unnecessary force" by Nixon to expand the Vietnam War.

*Nominated and confirmed by Congress under President Albert, became President after Albert resignation.

*Broke with President Bayh and his handling of the war in Iran, ran under the "Progressive Party" banner in 1980.

*First Female Vice President.
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« Reply #470 on: November 05, 2009, 10:02:08 AM »

I was inspired by Masked Pickle to try to come up with an Alternate Presidential list that is incrediablly simmilar to the characters presented in The West Wing Universe...I think it's actually pretty possible if you shift someone names around to carve out a simmiliar timeline lol

The Real West Wing

36. Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX): November 22nd 1963-January 20th 1969*
37. Richard M. Nixon (R-NY): January 20th 1969-December 25th 1973*
38. Carl B. Albert (D-OK): December 25th 1973-January 20th 1975*
39. Edward M. Kennedy (D-MA): January 20th 1975-January 20th 1979*

40. Ronald W. Reagan (R-CA): January 20th 1979-January 20th 1987*
41. Gary Hart (D-CO): January 20th 1987-January 20th 1991*
42. William P. “Phillip” Gramm (R-TX): January 20th 1991-January 20th 1999*
43. John A. Durkin (D-NH): January 20th 1999-May 8th 2003**
Acting POTUS. James M. “Jim” Talent (R-MO): May 8th-May 10th 2003****
43. John A. Durkin (D-NH): May 10th 2003-January 20th 2007*
44. Richard J. “Rick” Noriega (D-TX): January 20th 2007-???***


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36. Presidency went essentially the same as IOTL, except that the 25th Amendment is never passed in the wake of JFK’s assassination.

37. Presidency went essentially the same as IOTL, except that stronger pressure from the Democratic leadership due to an earlier Tape release. Nixon without the 25th Amendment can not appoint another Vice President, after the resignation of Vice President Spiro Agnew on October 10th 1973 due to corruption charges. Virtually powerless, in the wake of US Congress pushing for articles of Impeachment…Dick Nixon resigned the office of the Presidency on Christmas Day, 1973.

38. With the position of Vice President vacant, Speaker of the House Carl Albert under The Presidential Succession Act of 1947 was sworn in as the nation’s 38th President. In his first act as President, The 65 year old, 5’4 native of McAlester, Oklahoma established that a special election were to be held on the first Tuesday of November, 1974(Nov 5th) as a return to normalcy(Also to legitimize Democratic claims to the White House, especially after the landslide election loss in 1972). For the most part the “Little Giant from Little Dixie” was a caretaker President whom kept most of what remained of Nixon’s cabinet intact during the course of the special election. Although he only served for a little over a year, President Albert is fondly remembered as an honest man who saved the Republic from potential collapse in the wake of the Watergate Scandal.

39. During the short Albert Presidency, many democratic elders finally pushed the 42 year old Massachusetts Senator to make a run for the White House. Many voters’ craved for a piece of nostalgia for a Kennedy Camelot thus Teddy won the nomination in 1974 fairly easily. In the Special election Kennedy beat GOP Sacrificial Lamb candidate Nelson Rockefeller 389 to 149 electoral votes. In his first year in office, Kennedy was able to rankle enough Democratic support to get a single payer (favored by organized labor) Universal Health Care bill through Congress. However, the rest of his term would proved to be a disaster as the nation continued to be strangled by stagflation, high energy prices and familial scandal due to Joan’s alcoholism. By 1978, Teddy held a 35% approval rating yet he emerged the victor in an extremely tough primary race with Populist Governor Cliff Finch of Mississippi.
40. The former Actor and California Governor, Ronald Reagan…the darling of the conservative wing of the GOP since 1964 finally decided in 1977 to throw his hat into the ring against the unpopular incumbent President Kennedy. The Reagan/Schweiker ticket went on to defeat Kennedy/Sanford on a 428 to 110 electoral margin. His swift response to the Iran Hostage Crisis in ’79, the Air Traffic Control strike in ’81 and his assassination attempt during the last year of his first term made him a popular incumbent. However his economic policies weren’t all that popular and as such the national economy still seemed mired in Malaise. Due to lackluster campaigning by Democratic Presidential Nominee, former Vice President Terry Sanford of North Carolina and Reagan’s stark charisma; the 1984 election was one by Ronnie on relatively comfortable 311-to-227 electoral victory. Reagan’s second term would be engulfed with foreign policy matters, with the Nuclear Freeze Amendment, Escalation of the Cold War with the Soviet, and the break of the Iran Contra scandal (Which no evidence came about of Ronnie’s direct involvement). The nation’s 40th President, despite his controversial policies would leave office with a 55% approval rating.

41. Vice President Richard Schweiker, although much more moderate that President Reagan, was able to best all major competition in the 1986 GOP Primaries by running for Reagan’s third term. Many pundits felt he had the Presidency in the bag due to popularity of President Reagan, especially against the little known Dark Horse, Democratic nominee Senator Gary Hart of Colorado.  Yet in August of ’86, the story broke about the Iran Contra scandal and during further investigation information surfaced on how deep the VP was in the scandal. With a decisive issue to fight on the Hart/Young Campaign won the ’86 election on a 286 to 252 margin. On January 20th, Former Kennedy UN Ambassador Andrew Young of Georgia became the first African American Vice President. Most of Hart’s term was concerned on American interests in the Middle East, especially with relations with Saudi Arabia. However, any hope for his reelection would shatter when news broke about Hart extramarital affair with Donna Rice in late ’89. The President would shake off an Impeachment trial by the Republican Congress but never regain his standing with the American People. President Hart would be defeated by GOP nominee Senator Phil Gramm of Texas on a 350 to 189 margin.

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« Reply #471 on: November 05, 2009, 10:02:44 AM »

42. Former Reagan Treasury Secretary and John Tower’s replacement in the Senate…the somewhat “bookish” Phil Gramm coasted into the White House only to find the world torn asunder by Hart’s idealist foreign policy. During his first months in office President Gramm would successfully defeat Saddam Hussein in the Persian Gulf War, which gave the POTUS his stark 90% approval rating. Yet he would most be remembered for his Grammnomics, or supply-side economic policy which seemed to end overburdensome Regulation and free up new market enterprise. In the 1994 General Election, the incumbent Gramm/Thompson ticket faced off against that of Casey/Richards(Gov. Casey of PA narrowly defeated former Vice President Andrew Young in a long Democratic Primary Race). Question’s over Casey’s dwindling health as seen in the long months of campaigning largely lead to Gramm’s 314 to 224 electoral win. The Texan’s second term would become dominate as Conservative Republican’s would manage to get Line-Item Veto, DOMA, and another strong series of Pro-Bussiness Tax cuts.  However, years of Friedmanesque economic policy since the Reagan administration finally sent the economy over the edge. In the midst of the 2000 Campiagn, Savings and Loan Companies failed, Unemployment skyrocketed, and the Dow crashed for several weeks. President Gramm’s belief in Non-Government interference crushed his final approval ratings as he left office with a meager 45%.

43. ITTL, Senator John Anthony Durkin, due to Ronnie’s unpopularity in the 1980 midterm election’s was able to best Warren Rudman for a second term in the senate. Durkin was a reelected again in 1986, as he rode on Gary Hart’s coattails and here made a name for himself as a stark Progressive on Domestic policy yet somewhat of a neoconservative when it came to foreign policy. In 1988, he left the Senate to return to Concord to serve as Governor in his defeat of John Sunnu. Durkin left office in 1997 as an extremely popular Governor, and was convinced by a close friend of his to enter the 1998 Democratic Primaries. The Granite stater was a huge dark horse when compared to frontrunner Senator Robert D. “Bob” Bullock of Texas. Bullock was known for his nonpartisan approach while in the Senate, but during the course of his primaries questions over his former alcoholism and disastrous marriages ended his quest for the nomination. Durkin needed the Lone Star’s state mass of electoral votes picked Bullock at the ’98 Democratic National Convention. The Durkin/Bullock ticket would defeat that of Former Vice President Big Jim Thompson of Illinois in a 303 to 235 electoral win. In office Durkin managed to accomplish; granting amnesty to illegal immigrants from the Americas, appointing the first Hispanic Supreme Court Justice and first female Chief Justice, negotiating a peace settlement between Israel and Palestine, creating millions of new jobs, providing strong support for alternative energy, orchestrating a Social Security reform plan. However his hand in foreign policy matters became less clear when his Adult Child was kidnapped in the state of Oman by Islamic Fundamentalist terrorists. Feeling that he could no longer serve the nation to it’s fullest capacity due to the 25th Amendment(Passed during Teddy’s Presidency ITTL). The Vacancy caused by Vice President Bullock’s death by a heart attack, dropped the White House into the hands of Republican Speaker of the House Jim Talent of Missouri.

APOTUS. Although Talent only served as President for two days, yet while in that time served to the fullest capacity as anyone elected to the White House would. In the House since 1993, the young reliable Conservative swiftly rose through the ranks to Party Leadership as he became Speaker in January of 2001. While in office from May 8th-May 10th 2003, Jim Talent ordered the bombing of terrorist training camps in Oman, as well as a limited and temporary invasion of that nation. He also called the families of several soldiers that died in the invasion. After three days, after his child was found and freed, President Durkin then resumed his powers and duties under the 25th Amendment. Durkin gratefully offered to campaign for Talent if he chose to run again for Congress, but Talent said, half-seriously, that the President would probably not be politically helpful in his Missouri House district. Although the frontrunner for the 2006, he was beaten out narrowly by the more moderate Senator Pete Wilson of California.

43. Upon return to office, the President Durkin began to focus inertest about his reelection bid more about his legacy. After all in 2002, he soundly defeated the uber-conservative Governor John E. “Jeb” Bush of Florida in a 406 to 132 electoral landslide. He announced a bold Interventionist foreign policy measure in Rwanda in response to a massive genocide. He would leave office with a remarkable 65% approval rating despite having installed 140,000 United States peacekeepers to prevent a full blown conflict over oil in Kazakhstan.

44. The First Latino President…Rick Noriega (ALT Career) former Lt. Colonel in the Texas Air National Guard and Persian Gulf War veteran was elected Mayor of Houston in 1996. After serving two terms as Mayor, Noriega set out for Congress and indeed won the 2000 Race to office to in which he would serve three terms. Much like that of an Incumbent President Durkin, Noriega was seen as a Dark Horse in the 2006 Democratic Primary Race against sitting Vice President August W. “Bill” Ritter (Former Colorado Congressman who was nominated to fill the vacant VP spot in June of 2003). Yet in an extremely close race, Noriega prevailed and would go onto battle it out in the General election with Republican Nominee Pete Wilson of California. Although the more experienced Wilson was widely favored during most of the campaign, a nuclear plant meltdown in Southern California almost completely ruined his shot at the Presidency. In a ridiculously close election, Congressman Noriega won the 2006 General Election on a 272-266 electoral vote margin.
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« Reply #472 on: November 05, 2009, 01:19:06 PM »
« Edited: November 05, 2009, 01:25:47 PM by MaskedPickle »

Guess what, Historico, I was fooling around with the very same idea, but I didn't find any suitable New Hampshire Democrat...Thanks a lot!

So, we have:

Owen Lassiter = Reagan (of course)
D. Wire Newman = Gary Hart?
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« Reply #473 on: November 05, 2009, 02:34:24 PM »

Let's continue on the same idea, I will go with the list of Presidents from Tom Clancy novels. And to give ideas for alternate presidential ideas, here we go with this anthology...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_Presidents

The True Ryanverse:

42. George H. W. Bush (R - TX) : January, 20 1989 - January, 20 1993 *
43. Richard Frank "Dick" Celeste (D - OH) : January, 20 1993 - January, 25 1995 **
44. Edmund G. "Jerry" Brown (D - CA) : January, 25 1995 - January, 13 1996 ***
45. Robert Michael Gates (I - KS) : January, 13 1996 - January, 20 2001 ****
46. Melvin G. "Mel" Williams, Jr. (D - CA) : January, 20 2001 - October, 6 2002 *****
47. George J. Mitchell (D - ME) : October, 6 2002 - January, 20 2002
48. John Forbes Kerry (D - MA): January, 20 2005 - ...
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*President during the events of Clear and Present Danger. His anti-drugs policy in Colombia, which OTL led to the assassination of Pablo Escobar, is greatly expanded.
** The Sum of All Fears. Former Governor of Ohio, he narrowly defeats Bush in the 1992 election. Accelerating the peace process in the Arab-Israeli conflict, he has to deal with the Palestinian nuclear terrorist attack during the Super Bowl in Denver, Colorado, that kills both Secretary of State Bob Kerrey and Secretary of Defence Lee Hamilton. In the brink of responding by a nuclear bombing against Russia, and later against Iran, he finally finds out the truth. Terrified upon what he almost did, he resigns.
*** Debt of Honor. Former Governor of California, came to the presidency after Celeste's resignation. Had to deal with a located military conflict with Japan in the Pacific. After his Vice President, John Kerry, resigned due to a sex scandal, he appointed Independant National Security Advisor Robert Gates as his vice-President. Would die in the storming of the Capitol by a Japanese airliner during a Joint Session of Congress, along with the entire cabinet and Congress.
**** Executive Orders, The Tiger and the Dragon. Confirmed only moments before the Capitol storming, long CIA collaborator and National Security Advisor Gates has to deal with the political dealings of former VP Kerry and biological attacks from the newly formed United Islamic Republic (Iran and Irak). After securing his own term as a joint Independant and bipartisan candidate, he later deals with a crisis between China and Russia. He refused to sought a second term on his own.
***** Longtime friend of Gates, Vice Admiral Williams became his VP at the 1996 election and succeeded him as POTUS, becoming the first African American President. He is assassinated by a KKK activist in Mississippi.
****** Brown's first VP, resigning following a sex scandal, Kerry managed to challenge Mitchell during the 2004 Democratic Convention and later won the election.
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« Reply #474 on: November 07, 2009, 05:22:55 PM »

Let's continue on the same idea, I will go with the list of Presidents from Tom Clancy novels. And to give ideas for alternate presidential ideas, here we go with this anthology...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_Presidents

The True Ryanverse:

42. George H. W. Bush (R - TX) : January, 20 1989 - January, 20 1993 *
43. Richard Frank "Dick" Celeste (D - OH) : January, 20 1993 - January, 25 1995 **
44. Edmund G. "Jerry" Brown (D - CA) : January, 25 1995 - January, 13 1996 ***
45. Robert Michael Gates (I - KS) : January, 13 1996 - January, 20 2001 ****
46. Melvin G. "Mel" Williams, Jr. (D - CA) : January, 20 2001 - October, 6 2002 *****
47. George J. Mitchell (D - ME) : October, 6 2002 - January, 20 2002
48. John Forbes Kerry (D - MA): January, 20 2005 - ...
******

*President during the events of Clear and Present Danger. His anti-drugs policy in Colombia, which OTL led to the assassination of Pablo Escobar, is greatly expanded.
** The Sum of All Fears. Former Governor of Ohio, he narrowly defeats Bush in the 1992 election. Accelerating the peace process in the Arab-Israeli conflict, he has to deal with the Palestinian nuclear terrorist attack during the Super Bowl in Denver, Colorado, that kills both Secretary of State Bob Kerrey and Secretary of Defence Lee Hamilton. In the brink of responding by a nuclear bombing against Russia, and later against Iran, he finally finds out the truth. Terrified upon what he almost did, he resigns.
*** Debt of Honor. Former Governor of California, came to the presidency after Celeste's resignation. Had to deal with a located military conflict with Japan in the Pacific. After his Vice President, John Kerry, resigned due to a sex scandal, he appointed Independant National Security Advisor Robert Gates as his vice-President. Would die in the storming of the Capitol by a Japanese airliner during a Joint Session of Congress, along with the entire cabinet and Congress.
**** Executive Orders, The Tiger and the Dragon. Confirmed only moments before the Capitol storming, long CIA collaborator and National Security Advisor Gates has to deal with the political dealings of former VP Kerry and biological attacks from the newly formed United Islamic Republic (Iran and Irak). After securing his own term as a joint Independant and bipartisan candidate, he later deals with a crisis between China and Russia. He refused to sought a second term on his own.
***** Longtime friend of Gates, Vice Admiral Williams became his VP at the 1996 election and succeeded him as POTUS, becoming the first African American President. He is assassinated by a KKK activist in Mississippi.
****** Brown's first VP, resigning following a sex scandal, Kerry managed to challenge Mitchell during the 2004 Democratic Convention and later won the election.

Very good interpretation (as Andy's as well) Smiley.

I'll try do something smilliar as well.
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