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« Reply #900 on: September 12, 2011, 05:51:19 PM »

Part Four
Henry Clay (W-Kentucky) 1833-1841
Martin Van Buren (D-New York) 1841-1849
1836: In his first term as president , Henry Clay renewed the Second Bank of the United States , much to the mispleausure of the Democrats. The Democrats field the 1832 Vice Presidential candidate Martin Van Buren.  Van Buren is able to run a decent campaign mostly on the charges of Clay's  corruption, but the strong US economy helped Clay win reelection narrowly.

1840: President Henry Clay retires  leaving  former Senator  and Indian War Hero William Harrison to protect his record during the current recession. The Democrats again nominate Martin Van Buren who thinks he has his best chance at getting elected with a weak economy. The weak economy dominates the economy much to the displeasure of the Whigs who were hoping to run on Harrison's war record. Van Buren wins the election in a landslide
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« Reply #901 on: September 12, 2011, 06:23:31 PM »

Will you eventually put this in a timeline?
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« Reply #902 on: September 15, 2011, 10:48:28 PM »

35.John F. Kennedy 1961-1969
36.Ronald Reagan 1969-1973
37.Robert Kennedy 1973-1977
38.Ronald Reagan 1977-1981
39.George H.W. Bush 1981-1985
40.Lloyd Bentsen 1985-1993
41.Bill Clinton 1993-2001
42.John McCain 2001-2009
43.Al Gore 2009-2013
44.Mitt Romney 2013-2021

35. Kennedy Defeats Nixon in 1960, dumps Johnson in replace of Humphrey and goes onto defeats Goldwater in 1964.

36. Humphrey is defeated by Ronald Reagan.

37. Reagan is defeated in the electoral college, but wins the popular vote in a race against in Sen. Robert Kennedy. Kennedy's term in office is not as successful as his brother and his approval ratings drop into the 30s by reelection.

38. Reagan seeks and wins the nomination once again and defeats Kennedy in a landslide.

39. Reagan's Vice President George H.W. Bush wins the nomination after a fight against Bob Dole. He taps Dole as his VP and beats Jerry Brown.

40. Lloyd Bentsen defeats Bush for reelection, thanks to a weakened economy. Bentsen easily defeats Bob Dole in 1988, thanks to a revived economy.

41. Bill Clinton, defeats Michael Dukakis for the nomination and goes up against Jack Kemp and wins the election. Clinton is able to defeat Lamar Alexander and Ross Perot in his reelection.

42. John McCain defeats Clinton's Vice President Mario Cuomo in a landslide election. McCain cruises to reelection in 2004 over Howard Dean.

43. The economic crisis puts the Republicans in a jam and Al Gore defeats Vice President George W. Bush.

44. Mitt Romney defeats Al Gore in a landslide, due to the still weakened economy.




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« Reply #903 on: September 19, 2011, 02:02:53 PM »

Planned List of Presidents for TL on my Americana characters
37. Richard M Nixon (R-NY)/Spiro T Agnew (R-MD) January 20th, 1969-January 20th, 1973
38. Robert F Kennedy (D-NY)/Terry Sanford (D-NC) January 20th, 1973-November 22nd, 1973
39. Terry Sanford (D-NC)/vacant, Hubert H Humphrey, Morris K Udall (D-AZ) November 22nd, 1973-January 20th, 1981

40. James L Buckley (R-NY)/Mendelik D'Israeli (R-MT) January 20th, 1981-January 20th, 1989
41. Mendelik D'Israeli (R-MT)/Jack Kemp (R-NY) January 20th, 1989-January 20th, 1993

42. Jefferson Dent (D-AL)/Joseph R Biden (D-DE) January 20th, 1993-January 20th, 1997
43. Robert S Dole (R-KS)/Benson Rockefeller (R-NY) January 20th, 1997-January 20th, 2001
44. Albert Gore Jr. (D-TN)/Mark Udall (D-CO) January 20th, 2001-January 20th, 2009
45. John S McCain (R-AZ)/JC Watts (R-OK) January 20th, 2009-Present

For those of you familiar with my Americana character, you'll notice none of them become President. Christian Mattingly, Governor of Michigan, beats Benson Rockefeller for the 2004 Republican nomination, losing by a very narrow margin to President Gore currently a stand-in. Robert O'Sullivan worked for the Kennedy White House as a special adviser before being fired by President Sanford in 1975. He goes on to work for Mednelik D'Israeli as Assistant Secretary of State (under Beauregard D'Israeli) and then as National Security Adviser. Jack Daniels is the guitarist for Wutevr, being elected to Congress from Nevada in 1988. He stages a surprisingly popular attempt at primarying President Gore in 2004, having attempted to win the nomination at other points including a 1996 run and later a 2008 run which would be marked by a surprisewin in New Hampshire and a win in Nevada. However, in the crowded field, he wouldn't be able to break out among the candidates and would lose to Vice-President Udall who, like his father, would sadly never reach the White House.
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« Reply #904 on: September 19, 2011, 02:07:36 PM »

Planned List of Presidents for TL on my Americana characters
37. Richard M Nixon (R-NY)/Spiro T Agnew (R-MD) January 20th, 1969-January 20th, 1973
38. Robert F Kennedy (D-NY)/Terry Sanford (D-NC) January 20th, 1973-November 22nd, 1973
39. Terry Sanford (D-NC)/vacant, Hubert H Humphrey, Morris K Udall (D-AZ) November 22nd, 1973-January 20th, 1981

40. James L Buckley (R-NY)/Mendelik D'Israeli (R-MT) January 20th, 1981-January 20th, 1989
41. Mendelik D'Israeli (R-MT)/Jack Kemp (R-NY) January 20th, 1989-January 20th, 1993

42. Jefferson Dent (D-AL)/Joseph R Biden (D-DE) January 20th, 1993-January 20th, 1997
43. Robert S Dole (R-KS)/Benson Rockefeller (R-NY) January 20th, 1997-January 20th, 2001
44. Albert Gore Jr. (D-TN)/Mark Udall (D-CO) January 20th, 2001-January 20th, 2009
45. John S McCain (R-AZ)/JC Watts (R-OK) January 20th, 2009-Present

For those of you familiar with my Americana character, you'll notice none of them become President. Christian Mattingly, Governor of Michigan, beats Benson Rockefeller for the 2004 Republican nomination, losing by a very narrow margin to President Gore currently a stand-in. Robert O'Sullivan worked for the Kennedy White House as a special adviser before being fired by President Sanford in 1975. He goes on to work for Mednelik D'Israeli as Assistant Secretary of State (under Beauregard D'Israeli) and then as National Security Adviser. Jack Daniels is the guitarist for Wutevr, being elected to Congress from Nevada in 1988. He stages a surprisingly popular attempt at primarying President Gore in 2004, having attempted to win the nomination at other points including a 1996 run and later a 2008 run which would be marked by a surprisewin in New Hampshire and a win in Nevada. However, in the crowded field, he wouldn't be able to break out among the candidates and would lose to Vice-President Udall who, like his father, would sadly never reach the White House.


Benson Rockefeller never became President?

U R MEAN!
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« Reply #905 on: September 19, 2011, 02:29:47 PM »

Planned List of Presidents for TL on my Americana characters
37. Richard M Nixon (R-NY)/Spiro T Agnew (R-MD) January 20th, 1969-January 20th, 1973
38. Robert F Kennedy (D-NY)/Terry Sanford (D-NC) January 20th, 1973-November 22nd, 1973
39. Terry Sanford (D-NC)/vacant, Hubert H Humphrey, Morris K Udall (D-AZ) November 22nd, 1973-January 20th, 1981

40. James L Buckley (R-NY)/Mendelik D'Israeli (R-MT) January 20th, 1981-January 20th, 1989
41. Mendelik D'Israeli (R-MT)/Jack Kemp (R-NY) January 20th, 1989-January 20th, 1993

42. Jefferson Dent (D-AL)/Joseph R Biden (D-DE) January 20th, 1993-January 20th, 1997
43. Robert S Dole (R-KS)/Benson Rockefeller (R-NY) January 20th, 1997-January 20th, 2001
44. Albert Gore Jr. (D-TN)/Mark Udall (D-CO) January 20th, 2001-January 20th, 2009
45. John S McCain (R-AZ)/JC Watts (R-OK) January 20th, 2009-Present

For those of you familiar with my Americana character, you'll notice none of them become President. Christian Mattingly, Governor of Michigan, beats Benson Rockefeller for the 2004 Republican nomination, losing by a very narrow margin to President Gore currently a stand-in. Robert O'Sullivan worked for the Kennedy White House as a special adviser before being fired by President Sanford in 1975. He goes on to work for Mednelik D'Israeli as Assistant Secretary of State (under Beauregard D'Israeli) and then as National Security Adviser. Jack Daniels is the guitarist for Wutevr, being elected to Congress from Nevada in 1988. He stages a surprisingly popular attempt at primarying President Gore in 2004, having attempted to win the nomination at other points including a 1996 run and later a 2008 run which would be marked by a surprisewin in New Hampshire and a win in Nevada. However, in the crowded field, he wouldn't be able to break out among the candidates and would lose to Vice-President Udall who, like his father, would sadly never reach the White House.


Benson Rockefeller never became President?

U R MEAN!

Hey, we didn't elect Jesus President either, did we? Don't worry, when the sky falls and all is revealed, we will see Benson Rockefeller standing there, at the right hand of the Lord of Hosts, coming with the host of angels and all of heaven behind him. Fear not, your Lord shall come.
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« Reply #906 on: September 20, 2011, 09:10:46 PM »

2000

Vice-President Albert Gore Jr. (D-TN)/Senator Joseph Lieberman (D-CT) 287 electoral votes, 49.1% of the popular vote
Senator John McCain (R-AZ)/Senator Fred Thompson (R-TN) 251 electoral votes, 48.4% of the popular vote
Former White House Communications Director Patrick J Buchanan (Ref-VA)/Activist Ezola B Foster (Ref-CA) 0 electoral votes, 1.1% of the popular vote
Consumer Activist Ralph Nader (I-CT)/Native American Activist Winona La Duke (I-MN) 0 electoral votes, .9% of the popular vote

2004

Former Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R-NY)/Governor John Ellis Bush (R-FL) 273 electoral votes, 48.6% of the popular vote
President Albert Gore Jr. (D-TN)/Vice-President Joseph Lieberman (D-CT) 265 electoral votes, 48.2% of the popular vote
Congressman Ron Paul (L/Ref/C-TX)/City Counciller Mark Owen (L-MI) 0 electoral votes,  1.7% of the popular vote
Consumer Activist Ralph Nader (G-CT)/Former Lieutenant Governor Candidate Peter Camejo (G-CA) 0 electoral votes, 1.1 % of the popular vote

More to come...
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« Reply #907 on: September 30, 2011, 03:05:50 PM »

2008

President Rudolph W Giuliani (R-NY)/Vice-President John Ellis Bush (R-FL) 274 electoral votes, 49.9% of the popular vote
Senator Russell Feingold (D-WI)/Governor Bill Richardson (D-NM) 264 electoral votes, 49.7% of the popular vote

"Quite frankly, we were curbstomped out West. The election was hinging on basically three states: Arizona, New Jersey, and New Hampshire. It was only thanks to John that we got Arizona, while we invest heavily in the North-East, hoping for a pay-off. We were damn lucky"
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« Reply #908 on: September 30, 2011, 03:14:54 PM »

2012

Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY)/Governor Brian Schweitzer (D-MT) 304 electoral votes, 51.6% of the popular vote
Vice-President John Ellis Bush (R-FL)/Senator J. C. Watts (R-OK) 234 electoral votes, 48.1% of the popular vote
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« Reply #909 on: September 30, 2011, 03:55:41 PM »

2008

President Rudolph W Giuliani (R-NY)/Vice-President John Ellis Bush (R-FL) 274 electoral votes, 49.9% of the popular vote
Senator Russell Feingold (D-WI)/Governor Bill Richardson (D-NM) 264 electoral votes, 49.7% of the popular vote

"Quite frankly, we were curbstomped out West. The election was hinging on basically three states: Arizona, New Jersey, and New Hampshire. It was only thanks to John that we got Arizona, while we invest heavily in the North-East, hoping for a pay-off. We were damn lucky"



Ron Paul wouldnt give 2008 another go?
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« Reply #910 on: September 30, 2011, 06:38:38 PM »

2008

President Rudolph W Giuliani (R-NY)/Vice-President John Ellis Bush (R-FL) 274 electoral votes, 49.9% of the popular vote
Senator Russell Feingold (D-WI)/Governor Bill Richardson (D-NM) 264 electoral votes, 49.7% of the popular vote

"Quite frankly, we were curbstomped out West. The election was hinging on basically three states: Arizona, New Jersey, and New Hampshire. It was only thanks to John that we got Arizona, while we invest heavily in the North-East, hoping for a pay-off. We were damn lucky"



Ron Paul wouldnt give 2008 another go?

I was too damn lazy to give it another go, and Rudy's re-election depends on him having as many supporters as possible.
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« Reply #911 on: October 02, 2011, 10:46:03 AM »

New Version of 2012

Senator Hillary Rodham-Clinton (D-NY)/Governor Brian Schweitzer (D-MT) 328 electoral votes, 51.1% of the popular vote
Vice-President John E Bush (R-FL)/Senator John Thun (R-SD) 207 electoral votes, 41.2% of the popular vote
Congressman Ronald E Paul (L-TX)/Former Governor Gary E Johnson (L-NM) 3 electoral votes, 7.3% of the popular vote
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« Reply #912 on: October 03, 2011, 10:41:27 PM »

Having recently gotten back into Fallout, made a list of Presidents for the Verse.  Assume that all presidents are the same before the list starts.  Furthermore, the only things I've gotten from canon (IE not my own, fun speculation) is Nixon and the last three, though it did take me a very long time to make this "feel" right.

35.  John F. Kennedy (Democrat) (1961-1969)
36.  Richard Nixon (Republican) (1969-1974)[1]
37.  Spiro Agnew (Republican) (1974-1977)
38.  George Wallace (Democrat) (1977-1985)
39.  Jimmy Carter (Democrat) (1985-1989)

40.  Jack Kemp (Republican) (1989-1993)
41.  Bob Kerrey (Democrat) (1993-2001)
42.  Bill Bradley (Democrat) (2001-2009)

43.  John McCain (Republican) (2009-2015)[2]
44.  Mike Huckabee (Republican) (2015-2025)
45.  Anthony Weiner (Democrat) (2025-2031)[3]
46.  Charles Clinton (Democrat) (2031-2037)[4]
47.  Rob Paul (Republican) (2037-2045)[5]
48.  John Proffitt (Democrat) (2045-2053)[6]
49.  Randolph Richardson (Republican) (2053-2061)[7]
50.  Michael Daley (American) (2061-2077)[8][9][10][11]
51.  Randolph Richardson Jr. (American) (2077-2090)[12]
52.  William Richardson (none) (2090-2135)[13]
53.  William Richardson Jr. (none)  (2135-2159)
54.  Charles Richardson (none) (2159-2180)
55.  Richard Richardson (none) (2180-2220)[14]
56.  Richard Richardson Jr. (none) (2220-2242)[15]
57.  John Henry Eden (none) (2242-)[16]


[1] Resigned after facing impeachment charges over election fraud.
[2] Died in office of natural causes.
[3] Surprise stoke leads to removal, though he dies shortly thereafter.
[4] Chelsea was born male due to the butterfly effect.
[5] Yes, one of those Pauls.
[6] Future filler years, why not throw myself in.
[7] Reference to the canonolgical Richardsons later
[8] Related to the Chicago dynasty
[9] The American Party is formed in response to the Resource Wars, the dissolution of the UN, and all other kinds of nastiness that started in 2052 (canon events).  It takes time for them to build clout, though.
[10] War measures act grants sweeping power to the government and gets rid of term limits following the Chinese invasion of Alaska in 2066 (canon, at least the invasion)
[11] Dies in DC when the nukes finally come out on Oct 22, 2077 (event is canon)
[12] Son of former president.  In control of the shadow government when the bombs fell.  Establishment of the Richardson dynasty.  (kind of cannon)
[13] Parties done away with by this point.
[14] Canon character
[15] Killed by player character in Fallout 2
[16] Actually a supercomputer, can be killed by player in Fallout 3 (2277)
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« Reply #913 on: October 09, 2011, 10:06:13 AM »
« Edited: October 09, 2011, 10:36:31 AM by ALF »

This is a little sans Watergate TL I've been fiddling with for awhile now:

List of Presidents/Vice Presidents
1969-1977: Richard Nixon (R-CA)/Spiro Agnew (R-MD); Gerald Ford (R-MI)
1977-1981: John Connally (R-TX)/Phil Crane (R-IL)

1981-1989: Hugh Carey (D-NY)/William Proxmire (D-WI)
1989-1993: William Proxmire (D-WI)/Bill Clinton (D-AR)

1993-2001: Bill Armstrong (R-CO)/Jack Kemp (R-NY)
2001-2005: Jack Kemp (R-NY)/Richard Cheney (R-WY)

2005-2009: Wesley Clark (D-AR)/John Edwards (D-NC)
2009-current: John McCain (R-AZ)/Carly Fiorina (R-CA)

List of Losing Tickets (1976 and On)
1976: Frmr. Gov. Jimmy Carter (D-GA)/Sen. Walter Mondale (D-MN); Sen. Charles Mathias (I-MD)/Senator Charles Percy (I-IL)
1980: Pres. John Connally (R-TX)/VP Phil Crane (R-IL); Rep. John Anderson (I-IL)/Frmr. Gov. Patrick Lucey (I-WI)
1984: Frmr. VP Phil Crane (R-IL)/Frmr. CIA Director George H.W. Bush (R-TX)
1988: Frmr. Senator Howard Baker (R-TN)/Frmr. Gov. Pierre S. du Pont IV (R-DE)
1992: VP Bill Clinton (D-AR)/Sen. Harris Wofford (D-PA); Businessman Ross Perot (I-TX)/Ret. Admiral James Stockdale (I-CA)
1996: Sen. Harris Wofford (D-PA)/Gov. Evan Bayh (D-IN); Businessman Ross Perot (Reform-TX)/Economist Pat Choate (Reform-DC)
2000: Sen. Al Gore (D-TN)/Sen. Zell Miller (D-GA)
2004: Treasury Sec. George W. Bush (R-TX)/VP Richard Cheney (R-WY)
2008: Pres. Wesley Clark (D-AR)/Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL)
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« Reply #914 on: October 09, 2011, 10:08:24 AM »

Having recently gotten back into Fallout, made a list of Presidents for the Verse.  Assume that all presidents are the same before the list starts.  Furthermore, the only things I've gotten from canon (IE not my own, fun speculation) is Nixon and the last three, though it did take me a very long time to make this "feel" right.

35.  John F. Kennedy (Democrat) (1961-1969)
36.  Richard Nixon (Republican) (1969-1974)[1]
37.  Spiro Agnew (Republican) (1974-1977)
38.  George Wallace (Democrat) (1977-1985)
39.  Jimmy Carter (Democrat) (1985-1989)

40.  Jack Kemp (Republican) (1989-1993)
41.  Bob Kerrey (Democrat) (1993-2001)
42.  Bill Bradley (Democrat) (2001-2009)

43.  John McCain (Republican) (2009-2015)[2]
44.  Mike Huckabee (Republican) (2015-2025)
45.  Anthony Weiner (Democrat) (2025-2031)[3]
46.  Charles Clinton (Democrat) (2031-2037)[4]
47.  Rob Paul (Republican) (2037-2045)[5]
48.  John Proffitt (Democrat) (2045-2053)[6]
49.  Randolph Richardson (Republican) (2053-2061)[7]
50.  Michael Daley (American) (2061-2077)[8][9][10][11]
51.  Randolph Richardson Jr. (American) (2077-2090)[12]
52.  William Richardson (none) (2090-2135)[13]
53.  William Richardson Jr. (none)  (2135-2159)
54.  Charles Richardson (none) (2159-2180)
55.  Richard Richardson (none) (2180-2220)[14]
56.  Richard Richardson Jr. (none) (2220-2242)[15]
57.  John Henry Eden (none) (2242-)[16]


[1] Resigned after facing impeachment charges over election fraud.
[2] Died in office of natural causes.
[3] Surprise stoke leads to removal, though he dies shortly thereafter.
[4] Chelsea was born male due to the butterfly effect.
[5] Yes, one of those Pauls.
[6] Future filler years, why not throw myself in.
[7] Reference to the canonolgical Richardsons later
[8] Related to the Chicago dynasty
[9] The American Party is formed in response to the Resource Wars, the dissolution of the UN, and all other kinds of nastiness that started in 2052 (canon events).  It takes time for them to build clout, though.
[10] War measures act grants sweeping power to the government and gets rid of term limits following the Chinese invasion of Alaska in 2066 (canon, at least the invasion)
[11] Dies in DC when the nukes finally come out on Oct 22, 2077 (event is canon)
[12] Son of former president.  In control of the shadow government when the bombs fell.  Establishment of the Richardson dynasty.  (kind of cannon)
[13] Parties done away with by this point.
[14] Canon character
[15] Killed by player character in Fallout 2
[16] Actually a supercomputer, can be killed by player in Fallout 3 (2277)

Wow, yes.......this is amazing.
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« Reply #915 on: October 09, 2011, 01:33:53 PM »

34. Dwight Eisenhower: 1953-1957
35. Richard Nixon: 1957-1961
36. John F. Kennedy: 1961-1963
37. Lyndon Johnson: 1963-1969
38. Ronald Reagan: 1969-1977
39. Bob Dole: 1977-1985
40. Mario Cuomo: 1985-1993
41. Bill Clinton: 1993-1997
42. Colin Powell: 1997-2005
43. John McCain: 2005-2013
44. Brian Schweitzer: 2013-2021

1956. Eisenhower decides to serve one term due to health reasons. Nixon wins against Stevenson.
1960. Nixon loses to the Kennedy in a close election.
1964. LBJ wins in a landslide against Barry Goldwater
1968. LBJ decides against reelection and Humphrey wins the nomination, only to be defeated by Ronald Reagan who becomes the first president since FDR to be elected to two consecutive terms.
1972. Reagan wins reelection against Ted Kennedy in a landslide.
1976. Rockefeller, Reagan's VP choses not to run for President, allowing Bob Dole and George H.W. Bush to become the Conservative ticket which defeats George McGovern.
1980. Blessed by a good economy and the crumbling of the soviet union Bob Dole wins reelection against Walter Mondale and Michael Dukakis.
1984: Mario Cuomo, the dark horse candidate topples Dukakis for the nomination and wins against George HW Bush.
1988. Mario Cuomo easily defeats Jack Kemp.
1992. Cuomo's VP Lloyd Bentsen is seen as passe by the Democrats, allowing Bill Clinton to run and win the nomination and the presidency. He defeats Lamar Alexander.
1996. Clinton's poor legislative accomplishments and a weak economy allows Colin Powell to defeat him, albeit narrowly.
2000. Powell easily is reelected thanks to a restored economy and a weak opponent in Al Gore.
2004. With America at war with Afghanistan and the majority of the country behind Pres. Powell, John McCain his vice president wins the election easily over Howard Dean.
2008. With the War in Afghanistan over by 2006 and Bin Laden dead, Pres. McCain is able to focus on his domestic agenda and easily defeats Bill Richardson for reelection.
2012. McCain's VP Mike Huckabee is narrowly defeated by Brian Schweitzer who becomes the first Democratic President since Bill Clinton.
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« Reply #916 on: October 09, 2011, 01:35:54 PM »

1956:

R: 457 (57.9%)
D:  74 (41.0%)

1960:

D: 290 (49.5%)
R: 239 (49.4%)

1964:

D: 486 (61%)
R:   52  (37%)

1968:

R: 469 (58.8%)
D:  69 (40.2%)

1972:

R: 521 (62.0%)
D: 17  (35.9%)

1976:

R: 489 (58.4%)
D:  49 (40.8%)

1980:

R: 469 (57.5%)
D:  69 (42.9%)

1984:

D: 289 (50.1%)
R: 249 (48.9%)

1988:

D: 373 (53.4%)
R: 165 (45.2%)

1992:

D: 314 (51.1%)
R: 224 (46.9%)

1996:

R: 273 (49.60%)
D: 265 (49.45%)

2000:

R: 372 (56.6%)
D: 166 (45.4%)

2004:

D: 492 (58.9%)
R:  46 (40.4%)

2008:

R: 506 (60.0%)
D:  32 (38.6%)

2012:

D: 270 (49.3%)
R: 268 (49.4%)

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« Reply #917 on: October 09, 2011, 02:41:11 PM »

Perot does a little better--a "map list".
(All credit to Cathcon for his map list, which was great Smiley )

Governor Bill Clinton (D-AR)/Senator Al Gore (D-TE)-396 EV-35.6% of the popular vote.
President George Bush Sr. (R-TX)/Senator Bob Dole (R-KS)-128 EV-34.2% of the popular vote.
Businessman H. Ross Perot (I-TX)/Activist Pat Buchanan (I-VA)-14 EV-31.2% of the popular vote.
Perot refused to drop out after he claimed he was threatened by Republican operatives. When the threats were revealed to be true, RNC chair Richard Bond to resign. Dan Quayles repeated gaffes also hurt Bush, and he was replaced on the ticket with Senator Bob Dole, which turned out to be an even worse choice, due to his lack of charisma. Conservatives were turned off, and flocked to Perot when he picked Pat Buchanan as his running mate, running on a strongly protectionist ticket.

1996

President Bill Clinton (D-AR)/Vice President Al Gore (D-TE)-322 EV-39.4% of the popular vote.
Governor Carroll Campbell (R-SC)/Senator John McCain (R-AZ)-205 EV, 33.8% of the popular vote.
Businessman H.Ross Perot (Ref-TX)/Senator Jim Jeffords-11 EV, 27.8% (Ref-VT)

President Clinton was unpopular at the start of his term, and in 1994, Republicans took back the House of Representatives. During this time, Ross Perot organized the Reform Party, and managed to get 24 Reform Party candidates elected to the House. The Senate received its own first Reform Party member in the form of Jim Jeffords, of Vermont, who left the Republicans and registered as a Reform Party member. He; along with the Reform Party Congressmen, caucused with the Republicans. In 1996, the suprise winner of the GOP primaries was SC Governor Carroll Campbell, who defeated Phil Gramm and Dick Lugar in Iowa, and became the front runner. Campbell picked moderate Senator John McCain to be his running mate. Perot easily won the Reform Party nomination, and picked Jeffords as a running mate. This did not attract the same Conservative support from 1992, and cost him votes. President Clinton received no primary challenge, and was reelected over Campbell and Perot.
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« Reply #918 on: October 09, 2011, 03:13:32 PM »

Perot does a little better-part 2.
2000

Senator John McCain (R-AZ)/Governor Jeb Bush (R-FL)-273 EV, 38.9% of the popular vote.
Vice President Al Gore (D-TE)/Senator Paul Wellstone (D-MN)-247 EV, 34.1% of the popular vote.
Businessman H.Ross Perot (Ref-TX)/Businessman Donald Trump (Ref-NY)-18 EV, 27.0% of the popular vote.

In the second term of the Clinton Administration, scandal was king. Soon after President Clinton was reelected, a scandal involving the purchase of land in Montana rocked the nation, when it was revealed First Lady Hillary Clinton was involved in a deal to sell government owned land. Republicans were ecstatic..until House Speaker Newt Gingrich's extramarital affairs were revealed, and RNC Chairman George W Bush (who lost the 1994 Gubernatorial race in TX) and former Defense Secretary Dick Cheney were receiving kickbacks from Saudi Royalty. VP Gore refused to resign from the Clinton administration, standing by the President, even after his affair with Monica Lewinsky was revealed. This hurt him, and he barely survived primary challenges from Senator Russ Feingold of Wisconsin, and former Governor Evan Bayh, of Indiana. Senator McCain fought tooth and nail with Governor Gary Johnson for the GOP nomination, which he barely won. Perot was again the Reform Party nominee, and picked Donald Trump, of New York, as his running mate.

2004

President John McCain (R-AZ)/Vice President Jeb Bush (R-FL)-332 EV, 49.9% of the Popular Vote.
Senator Russ Feingold (D-WI)/Congressman Barack Obama (D-HI)-206 EV, 40.6% of the popular vote.
Activist Pat Buchanan (Ref-VA)/Congressman Ron Paul (Ref-TX)-10.5% of the popular vote.

President McCain received a surge of popularity after the 9/11 attacks, and afterwords, the US invasion of Pakistan, which was harboring Al Qeada, the group behind the attacks. However, after the botched bombing of Iraqi nuclear facilities, and an growing insurgency in Pakistan, McCains popularity was waining. The Democratic primaries were a battle between moderate Joe Biden and leftist Senator Russ Feingold, who eventually won. His pick of Congressman Barack Obama of Hawaii hurt him, as the two minority candidates turned off Dixiecrat voters in Georgia, Arkansas, West Virginia, and Tennessee. Several blue coller, anti war Democrats instead voted for Buchanan, who etched out 10% of the vote, and a second place finish in Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming.
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« Reply #919 on: October 10, 2011, 07:46:32 AM »

44. John McCain: 2009-2012
45. Joseph Lieberman: 2012-2013
46. Joseph Biden: 2013-2017
47. Ted Strickland: 2017-2025
48. Chris Christie: 2025-current

2008. Republican John McCain chose independent and former Democrat Joseph Lieberman as his running-mate. Lieberman switched to the Republican Party immediately after the announcement was made. McCain/Lieberman went on to win a very close election over Obama/Biden. McCain, at age 72, had the highest term-entrant age of any president; and Lieberman became the first Jewish vice president. McCain died of a stroke in May 2012.
2012. Lieberman became the first Jewish president after President McCain's death. Already running for the Republican nomination at the time of McCain's death, Lieberman was facing challenges from social conservatives like Michele Bachmann, Herman Cain, Rick Perry, and Rick Santorum. Eventually, Lieberman lost the nomination to Cain.
2016. Biden defeated Herman Cain for the presidency in an election that was much closer than expected. He only accepted one term.
2020. Vice President Strickland defeated Tim Pawlenty for the presidency in 2016 and John Thune in 2020.
2024. Christie, 350lbs in 2011, had slimmed down to 175lbs by the time he was elected president in 2024 over Vice President Kristen Gillibrand.
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« Reply #920 on: October 10, 2011, 07:44:37 PM »

First one of these. Looking back on the '96 race, it's pretty scary just how strong Pat Buchanan was coming on before Bob Dole clinched the nom. For want of a nail and all that...

For Want of a Nail: America on the Brink

POD: Bob Dole suffers a serious heart attack in early 1996, forcing him to drop out of the Presidential race at a late date. In addition, the Whitewater controversy grows, and Clinton's popularity takes a massive dive after a Congressional report recommends his Censure.

42. William Jefferson Clinton/Al Gore Jr. (D) - January 20th, 1993-January 20th, 1997
43. Patrick J. Buchanan/Dick Cheney (R) - January 20th, 1997-September 6th, 1999 *
44. Dick Cheney/(Vacant)George W. Bush (R) - September 6th, 1999-January 20th, 2001 *
45. Rudolph W. Giuliani/Gen. Colin L. Powell (I) - January 20th, 2001-January 20th, 2005 *
45. Rudolph W. Giuliani/Elizabeth Dole (R) - January 20th, 2005-January 20th, 2009 *
46. John D. "Jay" Rockefeller/Barack Obama (D) - January 20th, 2009-January 20th, 2013 *
47. Joseph I. Lieberman/John Hoeven (R) - January 20th, 2013-? *

Losing Tickets:

President William Jefferson Clinton/Vice President Al Gore Jr.
Al Gore Jr./Senator Evan Bayh Vice President George W. Bush/Senator Orrin Hatch
Governor Howard Dean/Senator John Edwards
Governor Piyush "Bobby" Jindal/Representative Mike Pence
Vice President Barack Obama/Senator Maria Cantwell

* First President Removed from office
* Did not run for re-election
* First independent President, first Italian-American President, first African-American Vice-President
* Giuliani switches back to Republicans, first Female VP
* Chose not to seek re-election after losing Iowa Caucus to his own Vice President, who decided to challenge him amid a populist wave.
* First Jewish-American President. Switched to Republicans after losing 2006 Democratic Primary due to his support for the Giuliani administration.

* 43. After winning a razor-thin victory, the Buchanan administration gets off to a rocky start with the immediate filing of charges against former President Clinton. Buchanan is as divisive as his reputation, frequently branding left-wingers and even moderate members of his own party as disloyal and dangerous. Far-reaching executive orders become commonplace, even in defiance of court orders. Tensions with Israel were escalated by Buchanan, who wished to institute a final peace plan favorable to Arab interests even over the objection of Israel's newly elected government. With tensions rising, Buchanan frequently raised the specter of double loyalty. A raid against the annual AIPAC conference on flimsy charges led to dozens of arrests, including that of Senator Joseph Lieberman, and a large protest against the heavy-handed tactics of the Buchanan Administration was brutally put down by Capitol Police on the President's orders. The country reached a flashpoint when Mayor Rudolph Giuliani of New York had the NYPD turn back federal officers looking to conduct arrests in the city. With protests growing and his approval rating in the toilet, Buchanan planned to declare a state of emergency and supersede Congress and the Supreme Court. Vice President Cheney used the opportunity to convince the cabinet to invoke the 25th Amendment and take control. With Buchanan sidelined, Congress promptly voted to impeach him for abuse of power, and Patrick Buchanan became the first President to be removed from office for misconduct.

* 44. President Cheney immediately made it clear he had no intention of running for President in 2000, knowing his past health issues. He simply intended to serve as a caretaker President, attempting to ease tensions in the aftermath of Buchanan's power grab. He chose not to pardon Buchanan, but also not to pursue charges himself, leaving it up to the next administration. With a vacancy in his VP position, he was asked by the national party to appoint Texas Gov. George W. Bush, the party's preferred 2000 nominee, as his vice President.

* 45. With the uninspired tickets of Bush/Hatch and Gore/Bayh failing to excite the electorate, Rudolph Giuliani announced his bid to run for President of the United States as an independent. Using his standoff with the Buchanan administration as a selling point, he portrayed himself as a strong, decisive leader whose moderate politics were in line with the country. Choosing respected General Colin Luther Powell as his running mate, they were able to decisively win the popular vote and win a razor-thin electoral victory that barely kept the election from going to Congress. It came down to a 2000-vote margin in California, narrowly carried by the Giuliani/Powell ticket. Giuliani became the country's first Italian-American President, and Powell became the first African-American VP.

* 46. The 9/11 terror attacks changed the focus of the Giuliani Presidency, as Giuliani launched a full-scale war against Afghanistan, complete with incursions into Pakistan. The Taliban was overthrown and Osama Bin Laden was killed in 2003, although many liberals felt that his prosecution of the war was a bit too aggressive, and his security policies overly invasive. The Giuliani administration remained popular, but in 2003, Vice President Powell informed Giuliani that he would not be staying on the ticket, wishing to spend more time with his family. With a vacancy, Giuliani met with the Republican party and agreed to run as the Republican nominee in 2004, choosing Elizabeth Dole as his running mate. The Giuliani/Dole ticket won a crushing victory against the Democratic ticket of Dean/Edwards, and Elizabeth Dole became the first female Vice President.

More later, along with electoral maps.
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« Reply #921 on: October 10, 2011, 07:49:12 PM »

Very creative, bravo, but well, I can't see it happening. I'd also love to see the 2000 map.
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« Reply #922 on: October 10, 2011, 07:51:01 PM »

Very creative, bravo, but well, I can't see it happening. I'd also love to see the 2000 map.
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« Reply #923 on: October 10, 2011, 08:07:25 PM »

I would like it more if you didnt rip on my personal hero, Pat Buchanan Smiley
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« Reply #924 on: October 10, 2011, 08:14:17 PM »
« Edited: October 10, 2011, 08:26:08 PM by Cathcon »

The Agnew Era

37. Richard M Nixon (R-NY)/Spiro T Agnew (R-MD) January 20th, 1969-August 9th, 1974
38. Spiro T Agnew (R-MD)/vacant, Gerald R Ford (R-MI) August 9th, 1974-January 20th, 1977

39. Lloyd Bentsen (D-TX)/Birch Bayh (D-IN) January 20th, 1977-January 20th, 1985
40. Gerald R Ford (R-MI)/Robert S Dole (R-KS) January 20th, 1985-January 20th, 1993
41. William Jefferson Clinton (D-AR)/Joseph R "Bob" Kerrey (D-NE) January 20th, 1993-January 20th, 2001
42. Joseph R "Bob" Kerrey (D-NE)/Joseph Lieberman (D-CT) January 20th, 2001-January 20th, 2005

43. Judd Gregg (R-NH)/Charles Hagel (R-NE) January 20th, 2005-Present

38. With the resignation of President Nixon, Vice-President Agnew would take over. Charting an incredibly hard to pin down, ideologically, course, he would have advisors ranging from Treasury Secretary Nelson Rockefeller to Secretary of State Ronald Reagan, seeming to be an economic Keynesian and on foreign policy, somewhere between a hawk and a detente advocate. Shoved aside, and into the lap of Vice-President Ford, were Agnew's opponents in the administration. Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, and George Bush, despite potential agreements with Agnew on some matters, would become his chief administration opponents over what was remarkable incompetence on the part of the President. Eventually, Rumsfeld would find his way into the CIA with Cheney as his deputy, and Bush would serve as Ambassador to Mexico. Bush retired from politics, temporarily, following Agnew's defeat, though Rumsfeld and Cheney would stay on into 1979 under Bentsen.

39. A moderate President by all standards, and one who was able to handle the economic and political crisis of the late seventies better than anyone might have expected. Hawkish on foreign matters, the Iran Hostage Crisis as well as the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan would be handled aggressively. Monetarism saddled alongside de-regulation and a tight monetary supply would fix the economy by 1982. Many would in fact refer to Bentsen as the most Conservative President sine Coolidge. Bentsen's attempts at universal healthcare, however, would be pushed aside as infighting with Ted Kennedy would dominate the issue.
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