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« Reply #925 on: October 10, 2011, 07:46:32 am »
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44. John McCain: 2009-2012
45. Joseph Lieberman: 2012-2013
46. Joseph Biden: 2013-2017
47. Ted Strickland: 2017-2025
48. Chris Christie: 2025-current

2008. Republican John McCain chose independent and former Democrat Joseph Lieberman as his running-mate. Lieberman switched to the Republican Party immediately after the announcement was made. McCain/Lieberman went on to win a very close election over Obama/Biden. McCain, at age 72, had the highest term-entrant age of any president; and Lieberman became the first Jewish vice president. McCain died of a stroke in May 2012.
2012. Lieberman became the first Jewish president after President McCain's death. Already running for the Republican nomination at the time of McCain's death, Lieberman was facing challenges from social conservatives like Michele Bachmann, Herman Cain, Rick Perry, and Rick Santorum. Eventually, Lieberman lost the nomination to Cain.
2016. Biden defeated Herman Cain for the presidency in an election that was much closer than expected. He only accepted one term.
2020. Vice President Strickland defeated Tim Pawlenty for the presidency in 2016 and John Thune in 2020.
2024. Christie, 350lbs in 2011, had slimmed down to 175lbs by the time he was elected president in 2024 over Vice President Kristen Gillibrand.
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« Reply #926 on: October 10, 2011, 07:44:37 pm »
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First one of these. Looking back on the '96 race, it's pretty scary just how strong Pat Buchanan was coming on before Bob Dole clinched the nom. For want of a nail and all that...

For Want of a Nail: America on the Brink

POD: Bob Dole suffers a serious heart attack in early 1996, forcing him to drop out of the Presidential race at a late date. In addition, the Whitewater controversy grows, and Clinton's popularity takes a massive dive after a Congressional report recommends his Censure.

42. William Jefferson Clinton/Al Gore Jr. (D) - January 20th, 1993-January 20th, 1997
43. Patrick J. Buchanan/Dick Cheney (R) - January 20th, 1997-September 6th, 1999 *
44. Dick Cheney/(Vacant)George W. Bush (R) - September 6th, 1999-January 20th, 2001 *
45. Rudolph W. Giuliani/Gen. Colin L. Powell (I) - January 20th, 2001-January 20th, 2005 *
45. Rudolph W. Giuliani/Elizabeth Dole (R) - January 20th, 2005-January 20th, 2009 *
46. John D. "Jay" Rockefeller/Barack Obama (D) - January 20th, 2009-January 20th, 2013 *
47. Joseph I. Lieberman/John Hoeven (R) - January 20th, 2013-? *

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President William Jefferson Clinton/Vice President Al Gore Jr.
Al Gore Jr./Senator Evan Bayh Vice President George W. Bush/Senator Orrin Hatch
Governor Howard Dean/Senator John Edwards
Governor Piyush "Bobby" Jindal/Representative Mike Pence
Vice President Barack Obama/Senator Maria Cantwell

* First President Removed from office
* Did not run for re-election
* First independent President, first Italian-American President, first African-American Vice-President
* Giuliani switches back to Republicans, first Female VP
* Chose not to seek re-election after losing Iowa Caucus to his own Vice President, who decided to challenge him amid a populist wave.
* First Jewish-American President. Switched to Republicans after losing 2006 Democratic Primary due to his support for the Giuliani administration.

* 43. After winning a razor-thin victory, the Buchanan administration gets off to a rocky start with the immediate filing of charges against former President Clinton. Buchanan is as divisive as his reputation, frequently branding left-wingers and even moderate members of his own party as disloyal and dangerous. Far-reaching executive orders become commonplace, even in defiance of court orders. Tensions with Israel were escalated by Buchanan, who wished to institute a final peace plan favorable to Arab interests even over the objection of Israel's newly elected government. With tensions rising, Buchanan frequently raised the specter of double loyalty. A raid against the annual AIPAC conference on flimsy charges led to dozens of arrests, including that of Senator Joseph Lieberman, and a large protest against the heavy-handed tactics of the Buchanan Administration was brutally put down by Capitol Police on the President's orders. The country reached a flashpoint when Mayor Rudolph Giuliani of New York had the NYPD turn back federal officers looking to conduct arrests in the city. With protests growing and his approval rating in the toilet, Buchanan planned to declare a state of emergency and supersede Congress and the Supreme Court. Vice President Cheney used the opportunity to convince the cabinet to invoke the 25th Amendment and take control. With Buchanan sidelined, Congress promptly voted to impeach him for abuse of power, and Patrick Buchanan became the first President to be removed from office for misconduct.

* 44. President Cheney immediately made it clear he had no intention of running for President in 2000, knowing his past health issues. He simply intended to serve as a caretaker President, attempting to ease tensions in the aftermath of Buchanan's power grab. He chose not to pardon Buchanan, but also not to pursue charges himself, leaving it up to the next administration. With a vacancy in his VP position, he was asked by the national party to appoint Texas Gov. George W. Bush, the party's preferred 2000 nominee, as his vice President.

* 45. With the uninspired tickets of Bush/Hatch and Gore/Bayh failing to excite the electorate, Rudolph Giuliani announced his bid to run for President of the United States as an independent. Using his standoff with the Buchanan administration as a selling point, he portrayed himself as a strong, decisive leader whose moderate politics were in line with the country. Choosing respected General Colin Luther Powell as his running mate, they were able to decisively win the popular vote and win a razor-thin electoral victory that barely kept the election from going to Congress. It came down to a 2000-vote margin in California, narrowly carried by the Giuliani/Powell ticket. Giuliani became the country's first Italian-American President, and Powell became the first African-American VP.

* 46. The 9/11 terror attacks changed the focus of the Giuliani Presidency, as Giuliani launched a full-scale war against Afghanistan, complete with incursions into Pakistan. The Taliban was overthrown and Osama Bin Laden was killed in 2003, although many liberals felt that his prosecution of the war was a bit too aggressive, and his security policies overly invasive. The Giuliani administration remained popular, but in 2003, Vice President Powell informed Giuliani that he would not be staying on the ticket, wishing to spend more time with his family. With a vacancy, Giuliani met with the Republican party and agreed to run as the Republican nominee in 2004, choosing Elizabeth Dole as his running mate. The Giuliani/Dole ticket won a crushing victory against the Democratic ticket of Dean/Edwards, and Elizabeth Dole became the first female Vice President.

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« Reply #927 on: October 10, 2011, 07:49:12 pm »
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Very creative, bravo, but well, I can't see it happening. I'd also love to see the 2000 map.
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« Reply #928 on: October 10, 2011, 07:51:01 pm »
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Very creative, bravo, but well, I can't see it happening. I'd also love to see the 2000 map.
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« Reply #929 on: October 10, 2011, 08:07:25 pm »
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I would like it more if you didnt rip on my personal hero, Pat Buchanan Smiley
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« Reply #930 on: October 10, 2011, 08:14:17 pm »
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The Agnew Era

37. Richard M Nixon (R-NY)/Spiro T Agnew (R-MD) January 20th, 1969-August 9th, 1974
38. Spiro T Agnew (R-MD)/vacant, Gerald R Ford (R-MI) August 9th, 1974-January 20th, 1977

39. Lloyd Bentsen (D-TX)/Birch Bayh (D-IN) January 20th, 1977-January 20th, 1985
40. Gerald R Ford (R-MI)/Robert S Dole (R-KS) January 20th, 1985-January 20th, 1993
41. William Jefferson Clinton (D-AR)/Joseph R "Bob" Kerrey (D-NE) January 20th, 1993-January 20th, 2001
42. Joseph R "Bob" Kerrey (D-NE)/Joseph Lieberman (D-CT) January 20th, 2001-January 20th, 2005

43. Judd Gregg (R-NH)/Charles Hagel (R-NE) January 20th, 2005-Present

38. With the resignation of President Nixon, Vice-President Agnew would take over. Charting an incredibly hard to pin down, ideologically, course, he would have advisors ranging from Treasury Secretary Nelson Rockefeller to Secretary of State Ronald Reagan, seeming to be an economic Keynesian and on foreign policy, somewhere between a hawk and a detente advocate. Shoved aside, and into the lap of Vice-President Ford, were Agnew's opponents in the administration. Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, and George Bush, despite potential agreements with Agnew on some matters, would become his chief administration opponents over what was remarkable incompetence on the part of the President. Eventually, Rumsfeld would find his way into the CIA with Cheney as his deputy, and Bush would serve as Ambassador to Mexico. Bush retired from politics, temporarily, following Agnew's defeat, though Rumsfeld and Cheney would stay on into 1979 under Bentsen.

39. A moderate President by all standards, and one who was able to handle the economic and political crisis of the late seventies better than anyone might have expected. Hawkish on foreign matters, the Iran Hostage Crisis as well as the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan would be handled aggressively. Monetarism saddled alongside de-regulation and a tight monetary supply would fix the economy by 1982. Many would in fact refer to Bentsen as the most Conservative President sine Coolidge. Bentsen's attempts at universal healthcare, however, would be pushed aside as infighting with Ted Kennedy would dominate the issue.
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Jimmy Carter (1977-1985)
Walter Mondale (1985-1989)
Jack Kemp (1989-1997)
Bill Clinton (1997-2001)
Bob Dole (2001-2009)

*An older field of candidates, especially Bob Dole. Jimmy Carter wins with surprisingly over 300 electoral votes against Ronald Reagan in 1980. Reagan retires from politics. Walter Mondale wins in an upset over Howard Baker in 1984. Mondale does, however, loose by a comfortable margin to Jack Kemp in 1988. Kemp is a successful two term republican president. Bill Clinton makes his debut onto the national political stage and wins in 1996. However, some scandals and threats of impeachment come to light late in the 2000 campaign. Clinton looses in an upset to Bob Dole on election night 2000. Dole as well is a successful two term republican president.
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Nice to see you wander over to this area. Isn't Bob Dole in horrible health by the 2000's though? Heck, he was old in 1996, forget 2004.
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Nice to see you wander over to this area. Isn't Bob Dole in horrible health by the 2000's though? Heck, he was old in 1996, forget 2004.

Let me say this. If he had won in 1996 in real life, he would have run for reelection in 2000.
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The Agnew Era

37. Richard M Nixon (R-NY)/Spiro T Agnew (R-MD) January 20th, 1969-August 9th, 1974
38. Spiro T Agnew (R-MD)/vacant, Gerald R Ford (R-MI) August 9th, 1974-January 20th, 1977

39. Lloyd Bentsen (D-TX)/Birch Bayh (D-IN) January 20th, 1977-January 20th, 1985
40. Gerald R Ford (R-MI)/Robert S Dole (R-KS) January 20th, 1985-January 20th, 1993
41. William Jefferson Clinton (D-AR)/Joseph R "Bob" Kerrey (D-NE) January 20th, 1993-January 20th, 2001
42. Joseph R "Bob" Kerrey (D-NE)/Joseph Lieberman (D-CT) January 20th, 2001-January 20th, 2005

43. Judd Gregg (R-NH)/Charles Hagel (R-NE) January 20th, 2005-Present

38. With the resignation of President Nixon, Vice-President Agnew would take over. Charting an incredibly hard to pin down, ideologically, course, he would have advisors ranging from Treasury Secretary Nelson Rockefeller to Secretary of State Ronald Reagan, seeming to be an economic Keynesian and on foreign policy, somewhere between a hawk and a detente advocate. Shoved aside, and into the lap of Vice-President Ford, were Agnew's opponents in the administration. Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, and George Bush, despite potential agreements with Agnew on some matters, would become his chief administration opponents over what was remarkable incompetence on the part of the President. Eventually, Rumsfeld would find his way into the CIA with Cheney as his deputy, and Bush would serve as Ambassador to Mexico. Bush retired from politics, temporarily, following Agnew's defeat, though Rumsfeld and Cheney would stay on into 1979 under Bentsen.

39. A moderate President by all standards, and one who was able to handle the economic and political crisis of the late seventies better than anyone might have expected. Hawkish on foreign matters, the Iran Hostage Crisis as well as the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan would be handled aggressively. Monetarism saddled alongside de-regulation and a tight monetary supply would fix the economy by 1982. Many would in fact refer to Bentsen as the most Conservative President sine Coolidge. Bentsen's attempts at universal healthcare, however, would be pushed aside as infighting with Ted Kennedy would dominate the issue.

40. Former Vice-President and one-term Michigan Governor (1979-1983) Gerald R Ford, having sat out the doomed 1980 Republican race, would come back to "save" the GOP in 1984 following the end of what proved to be a very successful Bentsen Presidency. He would continue the monetarism of Bentsen, eventually leading to a balanced budget in 1987. On foreign policy, much as well would remian the same with a moderate to hawkish foreign policy. During this point, Donald Rumsfeld, former DCI, would serve as Secretary of Defense. Former Ambassador to Mexico and member of the Council on Foreign Relations George Bush would serve as Secretary of State. Second Wife Liddy Dole, a former Democrat and member of the Bentsen cabinet, would serve as Agriculture Secretary. The high point of the Ford Presidency would be the European Sovereignty Treaty in 1987, finally allowing the Soviet-bloc nations to hold free election and break their military alliance with the USSR. This resulted in the fall of the Warsawb Pact and significant weakening of the Soviet Union. Electorally, he would cruise to re-election in a landslide in 1988, and Republicans would also capture both Houses of Congress that year.

41. Bentsen protege, Clinton served as Congressman (1975-1979), White House Legal Counsel (1979-1980), White House Chief of Staff (1980-1982), United States Attorney General (1982-1984), Governor of Arkansas (1985-1991), and Senator from Arkansas (1991-1992) before becoming President. With insider experience from having worked in the Bentsen White House in various positions as well as experience in the House, Senate, and as leader of Arkansas, Clinton handled the Republican controlled Congress masterfully, leading to his own landslide re-election in 1996 as well as Democrats re-asserting control over both Houses of Congress. He would maintain the balanced budgets of the previous years as well as foster in an economic boom, leading to Vice-President Bob Kerrey's own landslide election in 2000. Despite this, Clinton's legacy would be marred by what were thought to be rumors, but ended up truths, of extra-marital affairs which would be proven in early 2001 just as he left office.

42. Just as one of his predecessors, Herbert Hoover, before him, Bob Kerrey woudl learn that un-restrained economic growth wasn't always good for the country in the long run. With the stock market crash of 2002 and terrorist attacks in 2003, Kerrey would experience a long declined in popularity. He would perhaps best be known for the accomplishment of passing unive3rsal healthcare in mid-2001.

43. Following the economic crash, Judd Gregg, powerful Senate Majority Leader as of 2003, woudl lead Republican efforts to pass regulation legislation, successfully making its way past much more radical Democratic proposals as well as opposition Republicans. Declaring for the Presidency in late 2003, he would have the advantage, winning with over 50% in the New Hampshire primary, as well as victories in Nevada and Iowa. Despite losing the crucial South Carolina primary to former Senator Phil Gramm, Gregg would practically skip to the nomination. Choosing former Ford administration member and foreign policy wonk Senator Chuck Hagel of Nebraska for Vice-President, Kerrey would be beaten out in a land-slide. Following the 2007 economic recovery, Gregg would be re-elected by a very large margin in 2008 and today remains popular despite calls to nominate someone more Conservative in 2012. As of now, Vice-President Hagel is the Republican front-runner while Virginia Senator Mark Warner is the Democratic front-runner.
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« Reply #937 on: October 11, 2011, 08:06:33 pm »
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Nice to see you wander over to this area. Isn't Bob Dole in horrible health by the 2000's though? Heck, he was old in 1996, forget 2004.

Let me say this. If he had won in 1996 in real life, he would have run for reelection in 2000.
That doesn't necessarily mean that he would have run for a first term in 2000, though.
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1st President: George Washington (N-VA) / Thomas Jefferson (N-VA): 1789-1797 * Retires
2nd President: Alexander Hamilton (F-NY) / John Adams (F-MA): 1797-1801 * Lost re-election
3rd President: Thomas Jefferson (C-VA) / George Clinton (C-NY): 1801-1809 * Retires
4th President: George Clinton (C-NY) / James Madison (C-VA): 1809-1813 * Lost re-election
5th President: John Adams (F-MA) / Charles Pinckney (F-SC): 1813-1817 * Lost re-election
6th President: James Madison (C-VA) / Henry Clay (C-KY): 1817-1825 * Retires
7th President: Henry Clay (C-KY) / Nathaniel Macon (C-NC): 1825-1833 * Retires
8th President: Nehemiah Knight (A-RI) / James Polk (A-TN): 1833-1841 * Retires
9th President: James Polk (A-TN) / Nathaniel Tallmadge (A-NY): 1841-1849 * Retires
10th President: Daniel Webster (C-MA) / John J. Crittenden (C-KY): 1849-1853 * Retires
11th President: James Buchanan (F-PA) / Franklin Pierce (F-NH): 1853-1861 * Lost re-election
12th President: Abraham Lincoln (A-IL) / James Grimes (A-IA): 1861-1865 * Assassinated  by J.W. Boothe
13th President: James Grimes (A-IA) / Salmon Chase (A-OH): 1865-1869 * Retires
14th President: George Edmunds (PF-VT) / Henry Wilson (PF-MA): 1869-1873 * Lost re-election
15th President: James Doolittle (A-WI) / Chester Arthur (A-NY): 1873-1881 * Retires
16th President: Grover Cleveland (A-NY) / Hannibal Hamlin (A-ME): 1881-1889 * Retires
17th President: James Weaver (Far-IA) / James Field (Far-VA): 1889-1897 * Retires
18th President: William Jennings Bryan (Far-NE) / Thomas Watson (Far-GA): 1897-1901 * Retires
19th President: William McKinley (A-OH) / Jeter Pritchard (A-NC): 1901-1906 * Assassinated by a communist
20th President: Jeter Pritchard (A-NC) / William Warner (A-MO): 1906-1913 * Retires
21st President: Theodore Roosevelt (P-NY) / Robert La Follette Sr. (P-WI): 1913-1919 * Dies
22nd President: Robert La Follette Sr. (P-WI) / Burton Wheeler (P-MT): 1919-1921 * Retires
23rd President: Calvin Coolidge (A-MA) / Frank Lowden (A-IL): 1921-1929 * Retires
24th President: Franklin Roosevelt (P-NY) / Henry Wallace (P-IA): 1929-1933 * Lost re-election
25th President: Robert Taft (Cap-OH) / John Nance Garner (Cap-TX): 1933-1941 * Retires
26th President: Arthur Vandenberg (Con-MI) / Alf Landon (Con-KS): 1941-1949 * Retires
27th President: Alf Landon (Con-KS) / Dwight Eisenhower (Con-NY): 1949-1953 * Retires
28th President: Thomas Dewey (P-NY) / Al Gore Sr. (P-TN): 1953-1961 * Retires
29th President: Dwight Eisenhower (Con-NY) / Roman Hruska (Con-NE): 1961-1969 * Retires ; *Oldest President in history
30th President: John F. Kennedy (P-MA) / Gale McGee (P-WY): 1969-1977 * Retires
31st President: Fred Harris (P-OK) / Birch Bayh (P-IN): 1977-1981 * Lost re-election
32nd President: Ronald Reagan (Con-CA) / George H.W. Bush (Con-TX): 1981-1989 * Retires
33rd President: George H.W. Bush (Con-TX) / Chic Hecht (Con-NV): 1989-1993 * Lost re-election
34th President: Howard Dean (P-VT) / Robert Kennedy (P-NY): 1993-2001 * Retires
35th President: George W. Bush (Con-TX) / Dick Cheney (Con-WY): 2001-2009 * Retires
36th President: Joe Manchin (P-WV) / Bill Richardson (P-NM): 2009-2013 * Lost re-election
37th President: Sarah Palin (Con-AK) / Mitt Romney (Con-NH): 2013-Current





N = None
F = Federalist Party (1789-1861; Dissolved)
C = Constitution Party (1794-1869 ; Merged with America's Party)                     
A = America's Party (1829-1941 ; Merges with Capitalist Party)
PF = Peace & Freedom Party (1867-Current ; Becomes a third party)
Far = Farmer-Labor Party (1883-1909 ; Dissolves)
P = Progressive Party (1902-
Cap = Capitalist Party (1930-1941 ; Merges with America's Party)
Con = America's Conservative Party (1941-

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« Reply #939 on: October 12, 2011, 06:15:11 pm »
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Nice! I might question which party some people might be part of, but still, an awesome list!
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Nice! I might question which party some people might be part of, but still, an awesome list!

Thanks Smiley

Yea, some of the party choices I made were a bit controversial, but like today's parties, those parties meant different things in different eras.

1960-1980: Conservatives were more moderate in the mold of Bob Dole.
2008-Current: Progressives are more in the "Blue Dog" mold
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I'd actually like to read a tl that stretched from the early days of the country, so maybe this could be transformed? Map making would probably be Hell given all the different party choices, but I'd be willing to help with that (I'm actually in the midst of four different tl projects, but I'm always looking to stir things up with a knew project).
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Gonna try one, though I don't expect to get far...

1. George Washington (I-VA)/John Adams (F-MA) 1789-1801
2. Thomas Jefferson (DR-VA)/Aaron Burr (DR-NY) 1801-1809
3. John Adams (F-MA)/Charles C Pinckney (F-SC) 1809-1813
4. James Madison (DR-VA)/Elbridge Gerry (DR-MA) 1813-1821
5. James Monroe (DR-VA)/Daniel Tompkins (DR-NY) 1821-1825

6. John Quincy Adams (F-MA)/Henry Clay (F-KY) 1825-1833
7. Andrew Jackson (DR-TN)/John Calhoun (DR-SC) 1833-1845
8. Henry Clay (F-KY)/Charles F Adams (F-MA) 1845-1857
9. Abraham Lincoln (F-IL)/John C Fremont (F-CA), John Bell (F-TN) 1857-1865

10. Millard Fillmore (A-NY)/John N Johnson (A-CA) 1865-1869

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A timeline that has Coolidge, Robert Taft, JFK (should be a conservative ittl) and Reagan would be epic.
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« Reply #944 on: October 13, 2011, 07:08:23 pm »
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One I came up with:

1980-Ronald Reagan/George Bush
1984-Gary Hart/Lloyd Bentsen (retires in '88 due to sex scandal)
1988-Bob Dole/Jack Kemp
1992-Bob Dole/Jack Kemp

1996-Bob Casey/Paul Wellstone (dies in office)
1999/2000-Paul Wellstone/Al Gore
2004-Paul Wellstone/Al Gore

2008-Jeb Bush/Tim Pawlenty
2012-Jeb Bush/Tim Pawlenty

2016-Bob Casey Jr./Gavin Newsom
2020-Bob Casey Jr./Gavin Newsom
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I can roll wit dat. Even if Reagan gets defeated, we get Bob Dole & Jeb Bush. Plus the Caseys are President! Jr. 'ain't my favorite, but I like his Dad.
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« Reply #946 on: October 13, 2011, 07:54:13 pm »
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The basic premise is that the New Deal Coalition is partially revived (think Clinton minus the South), while the GOP takes a more moderate turn in conservatism under the relatively successful Dole presidency.
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16. John Freemont/Abraham Lincoln (Republican)-1861-1865*1
17. Ulysses Grant/Robert E. Lee (Unity and Liberty)-1865-1873 *2
18. Edwin Stanton/Benjamin Butler (Radical Reconstruction)-1873-1877 *3
19. Samuel Tilden/James G. Blaine (Liberal Republican)-1877-1879 *4
20. James Blaine/vacant (Liberal Republican)-1879-1881

21. Ulysses Grant/James Garfield (Unionist)-1881-1889 *5
22. Grover Cleveland/Issac Gray (Liberal Republican)-1889-1893
23. James Weaver/James Kyle (Progressive)-1893-1897
24. Theodore Roosevelt/Levi Morton (Progressive)-1897-1901 *6
25. Grover Cleveland/George Dewey (Liberal Republican)-1901-1909
26. William Jennings Bryan/Woodrow Wilson (Progressive)-1909-1917
27. Woodrow Wilson/Theodore Roosevelt (Progressive)-1917-1919
28. Theodore Roosevelt/vacant (Progressive)-1919-1921 *7

29. Herbert Hoover/Calvin Coolidge (Liberal Republican)-1921-1929
30. John N. Garner/Cordell Hull (Progressive)-1929-1930 *8
31. Cordell Hull/Franklin Roosevelt (Progressive)-1930-1933

32. Calvin Coolidge/Robert Taft (Liberal Republican)-1933-1941
33. Robert Taft/Wendell Wilkie (Liberal Republican)-1941-1946 *9
34. Wendell Wilkie/vacant (Liberal Republican)-1946-1953

35. Harry Truman/Adlai Stevenson (Progressive)-1953-1961
36. Barry Goldwater/Ronald Reagan (Liberal)-1961-1969 *10
37. Hubert Humphrey/George McGovern (Progressive)-1969-1973
38. Nelson Rockefeller/Richard Nixon (Progressive)-1973-1975 *11
39. Richard Nixon/vacant (Progressive)-1975-1977

40. Ronald Reagan/John Connally (Liberal)-1977-1981
41. Walter Mondale/Hugh Carey (Progressive)-1981-1989
42. Bill Clinton/Mario Cuomo (Progressive)-1989-1991 *12
43. Mario Cuomo/Bob Kerrey (Progressive)-1991-1993

44. Jack Kemp/Maureen Reagan (Liberal)-1993-2001
45. Maureen Reagan/Newt Gingrich (Liberal)-2001-2003 *13
46. Newt Gingrich/vacant (Liberal)-2003-2009

47. Barack Obama/Russ Feingold (Progressive)-2009-2013
48. John Thune/Donald Trump (Liberal)-2013-2017
49. Debbie W. Schultz/Elizabeth Warren (Progressive)-2017-2025
50. Rand Paul/Allen West (Liberal)-2025-2033

1. Freemont wins the 1860 Republican convention after Lincoln and Seward deadlock. The Freemont Presidency presided over the disastorous civil war. The Republican Party split between the moderate Lincoln faction and the radical Stanton faction. This allowed former Generals (and advesarys) Grant and Lee to win the Presidency.

2. Grant and Lee formed the Unity and Liberty Party, whose intention was to reintergrate the South, and also protect recently freed slaves from being targets of the newly formed Ku Klux Klan. The party split after Lee and Grant publicly sparred on how to deal with the failed 1871 African revolt, in which freed slaves attempted to form their own nation in the states of South Carolina and Georgia.

I will finish the rest of the *s later..
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« Reply #948 on: October 14, 2011, 09:54:34 am »
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Why is the Vice Presidency vacant for the entire Gingrich administration (2003-2009)?
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« Reply #949 on: October 14, 2011, 10:27:47 am »
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Why is the Vice Presidency vacant for the entire Gingrich administration (2003-2009)?

Thanks, Ill fix that Smiley
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