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« Reply #925 on: October 10, 2011, 08:07:25 pm »
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« Reply #926 on: October 10, 2011, 08:14:17 pm »
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The Agnew Era

37. Richard M Nixon (R-NY)/Spiro T Agnew (R-MD) January 20th, 1969-August 9th, 1974
38. Spiro T Agnew (R-MD)/vacant, Gerald R Ford (R-MI) August 9th, 1974-January 20th, 1977

39. Lloyd Bentsen (D-TX)/Birch Bayh (D-IN) January 20th, 1977-January 20th, 1985
40. Gerald R Ford (R-MI)/Robert S Dole (R-KS) January 20th, 1985-January 20th, 1993
41. William Jefferson Clinton (D-AR)/Joseph R "Bob" Kerrey (D-NE) January 20th, 1993-January 20th, 2001
42. Joseph R "Bob" Kerrey (D-NE)/Joseph Lieberman (D-CT) January 20th, 2001-January 20th, 2005

43. Judd Gregg (R-NH)/Charles Hagel (R-NE) January 20th, 2005-Present

38. With the resignation of President Nixon, Vice-President Agnew would take over. Charting an incredibly hard to pin down, ideologically, course, he would have advisors ranging from Treasury Secretary Nelson Rockefeller to Secretary of State Ronald Reagan, seeming to be an economic Keynesian and on foreign policy, somewhere between a hawk and a detente advocate. Shoved aside, and into the lap of Vice-President Ford, were Agnew's opponents in the administration. Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, and George Bush, despite potential agreements with Agnew on some matters, would become his chief administration opponents over what was remarkable incompetence on the part of the President. Eventually, Rumsfeld would find his way into the CIA with Cheney as his deputy, and Bush would serve as Ambassador to Mexico. Bush retired from politics, temporarily, following Agnew's defeat, though Rumsfeld and Cheney would stay on into 1979 under Bentsen.

39. A moderate President by all standards, and one who was able to handle the economic and political crisis of the late seventies better than anyone might have expected. Hawkish on foreign matters, the Iran Hostage Crisis as well as the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan would be handled aggressively. Monetarism saddled alongside de-regulation and a tight monetary supply would fix the economy by 1982. Many would in fact refer to Bentsen as the most Conservative President sine Coolidge. Bentsen's attempts at universal healthcare, however, would be pushed aside as infighting with Ted Kennedy would dominate the issue.
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« Reply #927 on: October 10, 2011, 08:26:17 pm »
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« Reply #928 on: October 10, 2011, 08:43:23 pm »
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Nice to see you wander over to this area. Isn't Bob Dole in horrible health by the 2000's though? Heck, he was old in 1996, forget 2004.
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« Reply #929 on: October 11, 2011, 07:45:53 am »
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« Reply #930 on: October 11, 2011, 02:08:39 pm »
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The Agnew Era

37. Richard M Nixon (R-NY)/Spiro T Agnew (R-MD) January 20th, 1969-August 9th, 1974
38. Spiro T Agnew (R-MD)/vacant, Gerald R Ford (R-MI) August 9th, 1974-January 20th, 1977

39. Lloyd Bentsen (D-TX)/Birch Bayh (D-IN) January 20th, 1977-January 20th, 1985
40. Gerald R Ford (R-MI)/Robert S Dole (R-KS) January 20th, 1985-January 20th, 1993
41. William Jefferson Clinton (D-AR)/Joseph R "Bob" Kerrey (D-NE) January 20th, 1993-January 20th, 2001
42. Joseph R "Bob" Kerrey (D-NE)/Joseph Lieberman (D-CT) January 20th, 2001-January 20th, 2005

43. Judd Gregg (R-NH)/Charles Hagel (R-NE) January 20th, 2005-Present

38. With the resignation of President Nixon, Vice-President Agnew would take over. Charting an incredibly hard to pin down, ideologically, course, he would have advisors ranging from Treasury Secretary Nelson Rockefeller to Secretary of State Ronald Reagan, seeming to be an economic Keynesian and on foreign policy, somewhere between a hawk and a detente advocate. Shoved aside, and into the lap of Vice-President Ford, were Agnew's opponents in the administration. Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, and George Bush, despite potential agreements with Agnew on some matters, would become his chief administration opponents over what was remarkable incompetence on the part of the President. Eventually, Rumsfeld would find his way into the CIA with Cheney as his deputy, and Bush would serve as Ambassador to Mexico. Bush retired from politics, temporarily, following Agnew's defeat, though Rumsfeld and Cheney would stay on into 1979 under Bentsen.

39. A moderate President by all standards, and one who was able to handle the economic and political crisis of the late seventies better than anyone might have expected. Hawkish on foreign matters, the Iran Hostage Crisis as well as the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan would be handled aggressively. Monetarism saddled alongside de-regulation and a tight monetary supply would fix the economy by 1982. Many would in fact refer to Bentsen as the most Conservative President sine Coolidge. Bentsen's attempts at universal healthcare, however, would be pushed aside as infighting with Ted Kennedy would dominate the issue.

40. Former Vice-President and one-term Michigan Governor (1979-1983) Gerald R Ford, having sat out the doomed 1980 Republican race, would come back to "save" the GOP in 1984 following the end of what proved to be a very successful Bentsen Presidency. He would continue the monetarism of Bentsen, eventually leading to a balanced budget in 1987. On foreign policy, much as well would remian the same with a moderate to hawkish foreign policy. During this point, Donald Rumsfeld, former DCI, would serve as Secretary of Defense. Former Ambassador to Mexico and member of the Council on Foreign Relations George Bush would serve as Secretary of State. Second Wife Liddy Dole, a former Democrat and member of the Bentsen cabinet, would serve as Agriculture Secretary. The high point of the Ford Presidency would be the European Sovereignty Treaty in 1987, finally allowing the Soviet-bloc nations to hold free election and break their military alliance with the USSR. This resulted in the fall of the Warsawb Pact and significant weakening of the Soviet Union. Electorally, he would cruise to re-election in a landslide in 1988, and Republicans would also capture both Houses of Congress that year.

41. Bentsen protege, Clinton served as Congressman (1975-1979), White House Legal Counsel (1979-1980), White House Chief of Staff (1980-1982), United States Attorney General (1982-1984), Governor of Arkansas (1985-1991), and Senator from Arkansas (1991-1992) before becoming President. With insider experience from having worked in the Bentsen White House in various positions as well as experience in the House, Senate, and as leader of Arkansas, Clinton handled the Republican controlled Congress masterfully, leading to his own landslide re-election in 1996 as well as Democrats re-asserting control over both Houses of Congress. He would maintain the balanced budgets of the previous years as well as foster in an economic boom, leading to Vice-President Bob Kerrey's own landslide election in 2000. Despite this, Clinton's legacy would be marred by what were thought to be rumors, but ended up truths, of extra-marital affairs which would be proven in early 2001 just as he left office.

42. Just as one of his predecessors, Herbert Hoover, before him, Bob Kerrey woudl learn that un-restrained economic growth wasn't always good for the country in the long run. With the stock market crash of 2002 and terrorist attacks in 2003, Kerrey would experience a long declined in popularity. He would perhaps best be known for the accomplishment of passing unive3rsal healthcare in mid-2001.

43. Following the economic crash, Judd Gregg, powerful Senate Majority Leader as of 2003, woudl lead Republican efforts to pass regulation legislation, successfully making its way past much more radical Democratic proposals as well as opposition Republicans. Declaring for the Presidency in late 2003, he would have the advantage, winning with over 50% in the New Hampshire primary, as well as victories in Nevada and Iowa. Despite losing the crucial South Carolina primary to former Senator Phil Gramm, Gregg would practically skip to the nomination. Choosing former Ford administration member and foreign policy wonk Senator Chuck Hagel of Nebraska for Vice-President, Kerrey would be beaten out in a land-slide. Following the 2007 economic recovery, Gregg would be re-elected by a very large margin in 2008 and today remains popular despite calls to nominate someone more Conservative in 2012. As of now, Vice-President Hagel is the Republican front-runner while Virginia Senator Mark Warner is the Democratic front-runner.
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« Reply #931 on: October 11, 2011, 08:06:33 pm »
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Nice to see you wander over to this area. Isn't Bob Dole in horrible health by the 2000's though? Heck, he was old in 1996, forget 2004.

Let me say this. If he had won in 1996 in real life, he would have run for reelection in 2000.
That doesn't necessarily mean that he would have run for a first term in 2000, though.
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1st President: George Washington (N-VA) / Thomas Jefferson (N-VA): 1789-1797 * Retires
2nd President: Alexander Hamilton (F-NY) / John Adams (F-MA): 1797-1801 * Lost re-election
3rd President: Thomas Jefferson (C-VA) / George Clinton (C-NY): 1801-1809 * Retires
4th President: George Clinton (C-NY) / James Madison (C-VA): 1809-1813 * Lost re-election
5th President: John Adams (F-MA) / Charles Pinckney (F-SC): 1813-1817 * Lost re-election
6th President: James Madison (C-VA) / Henry Clay (C-KY): 1817-1825 * Retires
7th President: Henry Clay (C-KY) / Nathaniel Macon (C-NC): 1825-1833 * Retires
8th President: Nehemiah Knight (A-RI) / James Polk (A-TN): 1833-1841 * Retires
9th President: James Polk (A-TN) / Nathaniel Tallmadge (A-NY): 1841-1849 * Retires
10th President: Daniel Webster (C-MA) / John J. Crittenden (C-KY): 1849-1853 * Retires
11th President: James Buchanan (F-PA) / Franklin Pierce (F-NH): 1853-1861 * Lost re-election
12th President: Abraham Lincoln (A-IL) / James Grimes (A-IA): 1861-1865 * Assassinated  by J.W. Boothe
13th President: James Grimes (A-IA) / Salmon Chase (A-OH): 1865-1869 * Retires
14th President: George Edmunds (PF-VT) / Henry Wilson (PF-MA): 1869-1873 * Lost re-election
15th President: James Doolittle (A-WI) / Chester Arthur (A-NY): 1873-1881 * Retires
16th President: Grover Cleveland (A-NY) / Hannibal Hamlin (A-ME): 1881-1889 * Retires
17th President: James Weaver (Far-IA) / James Field (Far-VA): 1889-1897 * Retires
18th President: William Jennings Bryan (Far-NE) / Thomas Watson (Far-GA): 1897-1901 * Retires
19th President: William McKinley (A-OH) / Jeter Pritchard (A-NC): 1901-1906 * Assassinated by a communist
20th President: Jeter Pritchard (A-NC) / William Warner (A-MO): 1906-1913 * Retires
21st President: Theodore Roosevelt (P-NY) / Robert La Follette Sr. (P-WI): 1913-1919 * Dies
22nd President: Robert La Follette Sr. (P-WI) / Burton Wheeler (P-MT): 1919-1921 * Retires
23rd President: Calvin Coolidge (A-MA) / Frank Lowden (A-IL): 1921-1929 * Retires
24th President: Franklin Roosevelt (P-NY) / Henry Wallace (P-IA): 1929-1933 * Lost re-election
25th President: Robert Taft (Cap-OH) / John Nance Garner (Cap-TX): 1933-1941 * Retires
26th President: Arthur Vandenberg (Con-MI) / Alf Landon (Con-KS): 1941-1949 * Retires
27th President: Alf Landon (Con-KS) / Dwight Eisenhower (Con-NY): 1949-1953 * Retires
28th President: Thomas Dewey (P-NY) / Al Gore Sr. (P-TN): 1953-1961 * Retires
29th President: Dwight Eisenhower (Con-NY) / Roman Hruska (Con-NE): 1961-1969 * Retires ; *Oldest President in history
30th President: John F. Kennedy (P-MA) / Gale McGee (P-WY): 1969-1977 * Retires
31st President: Fred Harris (P-OK) / Birch Bayh (P-IN): 1977-1981 * Lost re-election
32nd President: Ronald Reagan (Con-CA) / George H.W. Bush (Con-TX): 1981-1989 * Retires
33rd President: George H.W. Bush (Con-TX) / Chic Hecht (Con-NV): 1989-1993 * Lost re-election
34th President: Howard Dean (P-VT) / Robert Kennedy (P-NY): 1993-2001 * Retires
35th President: George W. Bush (Con-TX) / Dick Cheney (Con-WY): 2001-2009 * Retires
36th President: Joe Manchin (P-WV) / Bill Richardson (P-NM): 2009-2013 * Lost re-election
37th President: Sarah Palin (Con-AK) / Mitt Romney (Con-NH): 2013-Current





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F = Federalist Party (1789-1861; Dissolved)
C = Constitution Party (1794-1869 ; Merged with America's Party)                     
A = America's Party (1829-1941 ; Merges with Capitalist Party)
PF = Peace & Freedom Party (1867-Current ; Becomes a third party)
Far = Farmer-Labor Party (1883-1909 ; Dissolves)
P = Progressive Party (1902-
Cap = Capitalist Party (1930-1941 ; Merges with America's Party)
Con = America's Conservative Party (1941-

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« Reply #933 on: October 12, 2011, 06:15:11 pm »
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Nice! I might question which party some people might be part of, but still, an awesome list!
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« Reply #934 on: October 12, 2011, 07:24:30 pm »
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Nice! I might question which party some people might be part of, but still, an awesome list!

Thanks Smiley

Yea, some of the party choices I made were a bit controversial, but like today's parties, those parties meant different things in different eras.

1960-1980: Conservatives were more moderate in the mold of Bob Dole.
2008-Current: Progressives are more in the "Blue Dog" mold
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« Reply #935 on: October 12, 2011, 07:30:06 pm »
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I'd actually like to read a tl that stretched from the early days of the country, so maybe this could be transformed? Map making would probably be Hell given all the different party choices, but I'd be willing to help with that (I'm actually in the midst of four different tl projects, but I'm always looking to stir things up with a knew project).
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« Reply #936 on: October 12, 2011, 08:32:42 pm »
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Gonna try one, though I don't expect to get far...

1. George Washington (I-VA)/John Adams (F-MA) 1789-1801
2. Thomas Jefferson (DR-VA)/Aaron Burr (DR-NY) 1801-1809
3. John Adams (F-MA)/Charles C Pinckney (F-SC) 1809-1813
4. James Madison (DR-VA)/Elbridge Gerry (DR-MA) 1813-1821
5. James Monroe (DR-VA)/Daniel Tompkins (DR-NY) 1821-1825

6. John Quincy Adams (F-MA)/Henry Clay (F-KY) 1825-1833
7. Andrew Jackson (DR-TN)/John Calhoun (DR-SC) 1833-1845
8. Henry Clay (F-KY)/Charles F Adams (F-MA) 1845-1857
9. Abraham Lincoln (F-IL)/John C Fremont (F-CA), John Bell (F-TN) 1857-1865

10. Millard Fillmore (A-NY)/John N Johnson (A-CA) 1865-1869

To be continued...
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A timeline that has Coolidge, Robert Taft, JFK (should be a conservative ittl) and Reagan would be epic.
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One I came up with:

1980-Ronald Reagan/George Bush
1984-Gary Hart/Lloyd Bentsen (retires in '88 due to sex scandal)
1988-Bob Dole/Jack Kemp
1992-Bob Dole/Jack Kemp

1996-Bob Casey/Paul Wellstone (dies in office)
1999/2000-Paul Wellstone/Al Gore
2004-Paul Wellstone/Al Gore

2008-Jeb Bush/Tim Pawlenty
2012-Jeb Bush/Tim Pawlenty

2016-Bob Casey Jr./Gavin Newsom
2020-Bob Casey Jr./Gavin Newsom
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« Reply #939 on: October 13, 2011, 07:21:18 pm »
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I can roll wit dat. Even if Reagan gets defeated, we get Bob Dole & Jeb Bush. Plus the Caseys are President! Jr. 'ain't my favorite, but I like his Dad.
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The basic premise is that the New Deal Coalition is partially revived (think Clinton minus the South), while the GOP takes a more moderate turn in conservatism under the relatively successful Dole presidency.
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16. John Freemont/Abraham Lincoln (Republican)-1861-1865*1
17. Ulysses Grant/Robert E. Lee (Unity and Liberty)-1865-1873 *2
18. Edwin Stanton/Benjamin Butler (Radical Reconstruction)-1873-1877 *3
19. Samuel Tilden/James G. Blaine (Liberal Republican)-1877-1879 *4
20. James Blaine/vacant (Liberal Republican)-1879-1881

21. Ulysses Grant/James Garfield (Unionist)-1881-1889 *5
22. Grover Cleveland/Issac Gray (Liberal Republican)-1889-1893
23. James Weaver/James Kyle (Progressive)-1893-1897
24. Theodore Roosevelt/Levi Morton (Progressive)-1897-1901 *6
25. Grover Cleveland/George Dewey (Liberal Republican)-1901-1909
26. William Jennings Bryan/Woodrow Wilson (Progressive)-1909-1917
27. Woodrow Wilson/Theodore Roosevelt (Progressive)-1917-1919
28. Theodore Roosevelt/vacant (Progressive)-1919-1921 *7

29. Herbert Hoover/Calvin Coolidge (Liberal Republican)-1921-1929
30. John N. Garner/Cordell Hull (Progressive)-1929-1930 *8
31. Cordell Hull/Franklin Roosevelt (Progressive)-1930-1933

32. Calvin Coolidge/Robert Taft (Liberal Republican)-1933-1941
33. Robert Taft/Wendell Wilkie (Liberal Republican)-1941-1946 *9
34. Wendell Wilkie/vacant (Liberal Republican)-1946-1953

35. Harry Truman/Adlai Stevenson (Progressive)-1953-1961
36. Barry Goldwater/Ronald Reagan (Liberal)-1961-1969 *10
37. Hubert Humphrey/George McGovern (Progressive)-1969-1973
38. Nelson Rockefeller/Richard Nixon (Progressive)-1973-1975 *11
39. Richard Nixon/vacant (Progressive)-1975-1977

40. Ronald Reagan/John Connally (Liberal)-1977-1981
41. Walter Mondale/Hugh Carey (Progressive)-1981-1989
42. Bill Clinton/Mario Cuomo (Progressive)-1989-1991 *12
43. Mario Cuomo/Bob Kerrey (Progressive)-1991-1993

44. Jack Kemp/Maureen Reagan (Liberal)-1993-2001
45. Maureen Reagan/Newt Gingrich (Liberal)-2001-2003 *13
46. Newt Gingrich/vacant (Liberal)-2003-2009

47. Barack Obama/Russ Feingold (Progressive)-2009-2013
48. John Thune/Donald Trump (Liberal)-2013-2017
49. Debbie W. Schultz/Elizabeth Warren (Progressive)-2017-2025
50. Rand Paul/Allen West (Liberal)-2025-2033

1. Freemont wins the 1860 Republican convention after Lincoln and Seward deadlock. The Freemont Presidency presided over the disastorous civil war. The Republican Party split between the moderate Lincoln faction and the radical Stanton faction. This allowed former Generals (and advesarys) Grant and Lee to win the Presidency.

2. Grant and Lee formed the Unity and Liberty Party, whose intention was to reintergrate the South, and also protect recently freed slaves from being targets of the newly formed Ku Klux Klan. The party split after Lee and Grant publicly sparred on how to deal with the failed 1871 African revolt, in which freed slaves attempted to form their own nation in the states of South Carolina and Georgia.

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1. George Washington (I-VA)/John Adams (F-MA) 1789-1801
2. Thomas Jefferson (DR-VA)/Aaron Burr (DR-NY) 1801-1809
3. John Adams (F-MA)/Charles C Pinckney (F-SC) 1809-1813
4. James Madison (DR-VA)/Elbridge Gerry (DR-MA) 1813-1821
5. James Monroe (DR-VA)/Daniel Tompkins (DR-NY) 1821-1825

6. John Quincy Adams (F-MA)/Henry Clay (F-KY) 1825-1833
7. Andrew Jackson (DR-TN)/John Calhoun (DR-SC) 1833-1845
8. Henry Clay (F-KY)/Charles F Adams (F-MA) 1845-1857
9. Abraham Lincoln (F-IL)/John C Fremont (F-CA), John Bell (F-TN) 1857-1865

10. Millard Fillmore (A-NY)/John N Johnson (A-CA) 1865-1869


As a bonus, the 1840 election where Jackson was convinced to run for a third term after a stalled convention and the good chance of a Federalist victory.

President Andrew Jackson (DR-TN)-138 electoral votes
Senate Majority Leader Henry Clay (F-KY)-137 electoral votes
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1. George Washington (I-VA)/John Adams (F-MA) 1789-1801
2. Thomas Jefferson (DR-VA)/John Adams (F-MA), Aaron Burr (DR-NY) 1801-1809
3. John Adams (F-MA)/Aaron Burr (FR-NY) 1809-1813
4. James Madison (DR-VA)/Elbridge Gerry (DR-MA) 1813-1821
5. James Monroe (DR-VA)/Daniel Tompkins (DR-NY) 1821-1825

6. John Quincy Adams (F-MA)/Henry Clay (F-KY) 1825-1833
7. Andrew Jackson (DR-TN)/John Calhoun (DR-SC),Charles F Adams (F-MA) 1833-1845
8. Henry Clay (F-KY)/Charles F Adams (F-MA), Millard Filmore (F-NY) 1845-1857
9. Abraham Lincoln (F-IL)/John C Fremont (F-CA), John Bell (F-TN) 1857-1865

10. Millard Fillmore (A-NY)/Alphonso Taft (F-OH) 1865-1869
11. Horace Greeley (F-NY)/Alphonso Taft (F-OH) 1869-1872
12. Alphonso Taft (F-OH)/vacant, 1872-1873

13. Stephen P Webb (A-MA)/Alphonso Taft (F-OH) 1873-1877
14. Samuel J Tilden (B-NY)/John Quincy Adams II (F-MA) 1877-1881
15. James L Kemper (D-VA)/Richard B Hubbard (D-TX) 1881-1889
16. Adlai E Stevenson (F-IL)/John Sherman (F-OH) 1889-1893
17. John Sherman (F-OH)/Henry Clay Evans (F-TN) 1893-1897

18. Richard P Bland (D-MO)/Henry Cabot Lodge (F-MA) 1897-1899
19. Henry Cabot Lodge (F-MA)/vacant, Theodore Roosevelt (F-NY) 1899-1909
20. Theodore Roosevelt (F-NY)/
Murphy J Foster (D-LA) 1909-1913
21. Woodrow Wilson (D-VA)/Murphy J Foster (D-LA), Charles Evan Hughes (F-NY) 1913-1921
22. Theodore Roosevelt (I-NY)/William G McAdoo (D-CA) 1921-1922
23. William G McAdoo (D-CA)/vacant, John W Davis (D-WV) 1922-1929
24. John W Davis (D-WV)/Oscar W Underwood (D-AL) 1929-1933

25. David I Walsh (F-MA)/Herbert C Hoover (F-CA) 1933-1941
26. Franklin D Roosevelt (F-NY)/Robert Taft (F-OH) 1941-1943
27. Robert Taft (F-OH)/vacant,
John Nance Garner (D-TX) 1943-1949
28. Richard B Russell Jr. (D-GA)/John Nance Garner (D-TX) 1949-1953
29. Thomas Dewey (F-NY)/Richard M Nixon (F-CA)/ Lyndon B Johnson (D-TX) 1953-1957
30. Lyndon B Johnson (D-TX)/John F Kennedy (F-MA), Samuel Yorty (D-CA) 1961-1973
31. Mark Hatfield (F-OR)/Howard H Baker Jr. (D-TN) 1973-1977
32. Spiro T Agnew (D-MD)/Howard H Baker Jr. (D-TN) 1977-1980
33. Howard H Baker Jr. (D-TN)/vacant 1980-1981

34. Robert Taft Jr. (F-OH)/Mark Hatfield (F-OR) 1981-1989
35. Mark Hatfield (F-OR)/
Lloyd Bentsen (D-TX) 1989-1993
36. William J Clinton (D-AR)/Paul E Tsongas (F-MA), vacant, Albert Gore Jr. (D-TN)
37. Albert Gore Jr. (D-TN)/Gary Hart (D-CO) 2001-2005

38. Robert Taft II (F-OH)/Gary Hart (D-CO) 2005-2006
39. Gary Hart (D-CO)/vacant 2006-2009
40. Joseph Lieberman (F-CT)/Lisa Murkowski (F-AK) 2009-Present

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« Reply #946 on: October 15, 2011, 12:54:40 pm »
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I see the 12th Amendment never happened.
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« Reply #947 on: October 15, 2011, 09:37:36 pm »
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I see the 12th Amendment never happened.

A different amendment was passed in this timeline during the first Adams Presidency. Skip dwon to #3 on this list to see details.

1. George Washington: Announced a run for a third term on September 17th, 1796. Easily won re-election. His third and final term was spent successfully keeping America out of war despite calls to go to war with France.

2. Thomas Jefferson: Won the Presidency in the first two party election the country had ever experienced. Opted out of a third term.

3. John Adams: Four-term Vice-President. During his tenure, a constitutional amendment was passed stating that the Presidential and Vice-Presidential races were to be separate, so that each man would vote for a President and Vice-President of their choice. This amendment was passed with urging from Adams who, as he geared up for re-election, did not want to have to suffer the humiliation of a fifth term as Vice-President.

6. John Quincy Adams: First son of a President to be elected tot he Presidency. He was much luckier than his father, winning re-election easily.

7. Andrew Jackson: One of the nation's most popular President as well as a war hero. Originally intended on retiring after a second term. However, calls by the party to fend off the possibility of the Federalists' strongest contender-Henry Clay-prodded him into seeking another term. While the Federalists picked up the Vice-Presidency, Jackson won re-election by one electoral vote.

8. Henry Clay: "The Great Compromiser". Throughout his career and even his Presidency, he would be forced to cut deals to help hold the union together. While praised by many, he is also seen by some as the man who allowed slavery to continue and bad feelings in the South to rise, leading to the Civil War.

9. Abraham Lincoln: "The radical that launched us into a civil war". The Federalist Speaker of the House, Lincoln was elected on a platform to abolish slavery, the South soon seceded. Despite Lincoln's political prowess, he was unable to negotiate his way out of a Civil War as Clay was, and soon proudly led American in re-taking the Southern states.

10. Millard Fillmore: Throughout the twenty years of Federalist rule, the Democratic-Republicans slowly deteriorated-first due to Clay's ability to win Southern and Northern states alike, then to the fact that by 1860, their ability to win was entirely hampered by the fact that the country was at war with the place most friendly to the DR's: The South. During that same election, the American Party had risen up as an alternative, and by 1864, with some Southern states being allowed back into the Union, American Party candidate Millard Fillmore was able to win, temporarily becoming the leader of a new southern party.

11. Horace Greeley: From the Left-Wing of the Federalist Party, Greeley would not be a popular President. Losing re-election then dying before the swearing in of  President Webb, he wouldn't even be able to finish his unsuccessful term.

12. Alphonso Taft: The first of the Taft family to rise to nation prominence, first as Abraham Lincoln's Attorney General, in 1872, Taft would be sworn in following Greeley's death. However, this was after his successful re-election as Vice-President and so he would only serve until inauguration day, then taking another term as the nation's second in command.

14. Samuel Tilden: The short-lived Bourbon Party, a union of Conservative Catholics and Southerners headed by the Irish Catholic Charles O'Conor would win the 1876 election. However, the Southern wing of the party would soon fold into the emerging Populist-Conservative leaning Democrat Party. Perhaps Tilden's greatest achievement as President was the crushing end of the American Party as the South re-formed under new parties.

15. James Kemper: Following the 1778 elections, O'Conor would lose the support of the Southern Wing of the Bourbon Party. This wing would combine with the Southern end of the American Party, as well as Populist-Conservative elements out West into the Democratic Party, itself very much an attempt at a modern re-creation of the party of Jefferson and Jackson. This would leave the Catholic and Northern wings of the Bourbon Party in the dust, allowing them to reform into the Federalist Party which itself would move to the Right, resulting in a much more Conservatively aligned nation.

16. Adlai Stevenson: In order to attempt to battle Democratic popularity, the moderate Adlai Stevenson would be nominated. However, his moderation on such things as civil rights despite his intense and alienating partisanship, would doom him and allow his Vice-President to beat him for the nomination at the 1892 Convention.

19. Henry Cabot Lodge: A "True Federalist", a Northern Conservative hailing from the birthplace of John Adams, Lodge would preside over "The Roaring Ots" as they were called. During this point, the practice of "American Imperialism" would begin and be continued until the 30's. Lodge would begin his political career as a Congressman (1885-1887), Senator (1887-1894), Secretary of the Navy (1894-1897), and Vice-President (1897-1901) before becoming President.

20., 22. Theodore Roosevelt: A friend of Henry Cabot Lodge, his political rise would be a long an interesting one. Serving as New York State Assemblyman (1881-1884), Mayor of New York (1887-1891), Governor of the Territory of Utah (1892-1894), Assistant Secretary of the Navy (1894-1896), Governor of New York (1897-1900), and Vice-President (1901-1909) before becoming President. Domestically to the Left of most of the party, Roosevelt's reforms would not be accepted either by the North-Eastern big business backers, or the Mid-Western independent-spirited farmers. Because of this, in 1912, he would fail to be re-nominated for President, and not even gain the Vice-Presidential nomination. Defeated but un-deterred, Roosevelt would try again for the nomination in 1916 when President Wilson looked vulnerable. However, his only success would be nominating ally Charles Evan Hughes for Vice-President. In 1920, despite calls for him to run once again for the nomination, former President Roosevelt announced an Independent run. Not even bothering to field a Vice-Presidential candidate (states eventually added their own, however, none of them had significant success), Roosevelt would charge forward, being the first President elected unaffiliated of any party since George Washington. However, Roosevelt's time in semi-retirement, including his time in South America, had worn on him and in 1922 he died of malaria.

21. Woodrow Wilson: Not the type one would expect from the Democratic Party, proud Southerner Woodrow Wilson looked anything but. An intellectual who had been President of Princeton, history has branded him the "evil genius" of the American Presidency, devising successful foreign and economic policies based not on any real successes, but through trickery, exploitation, and market manipulation. As well, during this time as the public mainly focused on the building prosperity that seemed to be occuring following the Panic of 1913, Wilson was able to push some very Southern "reforms" including re-segregation of several parts of the government. His greatest triumph would be the creation and joining of the League of Nations despite the opposition of people ranging from William Jennings Bryan to Henry Cabot Lodge.

23. William McAdoo: Woodrow Wilson's son-in-law and Treasury Secretary, McAdoo would be nominated for Vice-President in 1920, and with the crushing of the Federalist Party in Roosevelt states, he was able to slip in as the nation's next Vice-President. Following President Roosevelt's death, McAdoo would govern much more to the Right, including business de-regulation and tax cuts. However, the main point of his economic policy was, once again, Wilsonian manipulation of the markets. During his Presidency, Germany would be annexed and America would only leave the nation as a completely free republic during the Walsh era.

24. John W Davis: Another Conservative Democrat, Davis would suffer from lack of training in the arts of Wilsonian Economic Manipulation and face the Panic of 1929 leading to the Great Depression.

25. David I Walsh: The nation's first Catholic President as well as the first time Catholics were even close to power since the Tilden Presidency, he would preside over the economic recovery following the Panic of 1929. Re-elected by a massive land-slide in 1936, he is today considered one of the nation's greatest Presidents. A Paleo-Conservative, he would continue the Centre-Right trend of the nation. In 1940 he refused to run for another term, stating "Washington wasn't right. Three is far too much." Pushing hard for fellow isolationist and Vice-President Herbert Hoover, the internationalist wing would win with the nomination of Franklin D Roosevelt.

26. Franklin D Roosevelt: Cousin of the seemingly un-conquerable and legendary Teddy Roosevelt, FDR himself had a long political career. Serving as State Senator (1911-1915), Senator (1915-1921), Secretary of War (1921-1926), Governor of New York ( 1929-1935), and Senator again (1939-1940), Roosevelt in 1940 was seen as by far the most qualified man to continue the Federalist dominance over the electorate, beating Vice-President Herbert Hoover for the nomination who himself had serve a limited time in political positions (Commerce Secretary 1921-1923 and Vice-President 1933-1941). Roosevelt was setting up to be one of the greatest foreign policy Presidents in decades when Polio, which he contracted in 1921, struck him down following a summit in Yalta in 1943.

27. Robert Taft: The grand-son of President Alphonso Taft and the son of Secretary of State William Howard Taft (1909-1913), Taft would be set up very nicely as a Federalist rising star, serving in Ohio's legislature until he joined the Senate in 1932. A nice complement to the internationalist moderate Roosevelt, Taft would unexpectedly find himself at the reigns in 1943. His Presidency tainted by foreign events as well as a recession setting in in 1947, he would lose re-election in 1948. But the Taft Dynasty would live on...

To be Continued...
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« Reply #948 on: October 15, 2011, 09:39:32 pm »
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45th President Gary Johnson (L-NM) / Ron Paul (L-TX): 2013-2021


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29. Thomas Dewey: His nomination and victory a triumph for the "Roosevelt wing" of the party, Dewey would begin the country's leftward drift which was to be manifested in Lyndon Johnson's Presidency. His part of it would include the guaranteeing of healthcare and housing for those in poverty as well as the completion of all previous pushes for Civil Rights, manifested in the Civil Rights Bill of 1955.

30. Lyndon B Johnson: A proud Populist Texas Democrat, Johnson would preside over the grossest expansion of government in quite a while, even beating out Teddy Roosevelt in that area. Despised by Conservatives and Libertarians alike in all parties, his reign would nonetheless last twelve years including his landslide 1968 re-election. It only made sense that a much more limited government candidate would strike back in 1972.

31., 35. Mark Hatfield: a moderate Libertarian that appealed to all categories of the party save for its hawks, Hatfield would be tasked with the unforgiving job of trying to contain and shrink Johnson's massive Great Society programs, a task despite his delicate handling of, he would not be rewarded for. In 1980, after the scandals of the Agnew Administration and the horrible inflation, Hatfield would be seen as vindicated and would allow his supporters to nominate him for Vice-President though he did not actively campaign until the general. The Taft/Hatfield team would be seen as a "dream ticket" by many. In 1988 with Taft opting out of the little held third term, Hatfield would once again run for President, his fifth time on a national ticket. His second Presidency would be marked by the landmark Atomic Freeze Treaty between the United States, India, China, Russia, and the European Alliance.

32. Spiro T Agnew: Impeached on charges of bribery, voter fraud, and other various crimes. Perhaps his greatest contribution to history would be practically ensuring a Federalist victory in 1980.

33. Howard Baker: A moderate that had worked with Hatfield and the Democrat controlled Congress to help shrink the Great Society, Baker nonetheless would be tainted by the Agnew Presidency along with its scandals and the bad economy.
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