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« Reply #875 on: July 14, 2011, 01:59:54 pm »
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1996: Robert Dole/Jack Kemp
2000: Robert Dole/Jack Kemp

2004: Howard Dean/Gray Davis
2008: Mitt Romney/Elizabeth Dole

Defeated Tickets
1996: Bill Clinton/Al Gore
2000: Al Gore/Bob Wise

2004: Jack Kemp/Mike Huckabee
2008: Howard Dean/Gray Davis
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« Reply #876 on: July 14, 2011, 06:41:24 pm »
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Dynasty USA


1961-1969: John F. Kennedy

1969-1977: Robert F. Kennedy

1977-1985: George H. W. Bush

1985-1993: Ted Kennedy

1993-2001: George W. Bush

2001-2009: Maria Shriver

2009- : Jeb Bush
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28. Theodore Roosevelt (P-NY)/Hiram W Johnson(P-CA) March 4th, 1913-March 4th, 1921
29. Joseph T Robinson (D-AR)/Alfred E Smith (D-NY) March 4th, 1921-March 15th, 1923
30. Alfred E Smith (D-NY)/vacant, Charles W Bryan (D/
P-NE) March 15th, 1923-March 4th, 1929
31. John Calvin Coolidge (C-MA)/Charles W Bryan (P-NE) March 4th, 1929-January 5th, 1933
32. Charles W Bryan (P-NE)/vacant January 5th, 1933-March 4th, 1933
33. Millard Tydings (C-MD)/Charles Curtis (C-KS) March 4th, 1933-March 4th, 1937
34. Franklin D Roosevelt (P-NY)/Huey Long (P-LA), Henry Wallace (P-IA) March 4th, 1937-April 12th, 1945
35. Henry Wallace (P-IA)/vacant April 12th, 1945-January 13th, 1949

36. Robert Taft (C-OH)/Douglas MacArthur (C-NY), Joseph P Kennedy (C-MA) January 13th, 1949-July 31st, 1953
37. Joseph P Kennedy (C-MA)/vacant, George Smathers (C-FL) July 31st, 1953-January 13th, 1957

38. Henry A Wallace (P-IA)/Adlai E Stevenson (P-IL) January 13th, 1957-January 13th, 1961
39. Nelson A Rockefeller (P-NY)/Hubert H Humphrey (P-MN) January 13th, 1961-July 18th, 1966
40. Hubert H Humphrey (P-MN)/vacant, Winthrop Rockefeller (P-AR) July 18th, 1967-January 13th, 1973

41. Howard Baker (AU-TN)/John Eisenhower (AU-PA) January 13th, 1973-January 13th, 1977
42. Frank Church (P-ID)/George Romney (P-MI) January 13th, 1977-January 13th, 1981
43. John Ashbrook (C-OH)/James L Buckley (C-NY) January 13th, 1981-April 24th, 1982
44. James L Buckley (C-NY)/vacant, John Tower (C-TX), David Boren (C-OK) April 24th, 1982-January 13th, 1993

45. Howard Baker (AU-TN)/Warren Rudman (AU-NH) January 13th, 1993-January 13th, 1997
46. Warren Rudman (AU-NH)/Albert S Gore Jr. (AU-TN) January 13th, 1997-January 13th, 2001

47. Paul Wellstone (P-MN)/Ralph Nader (P-CT) January 13th, 2001-October 25th, 2002
48. Ralph Nader (P-CT)/vacant, Howard Dean (P-VT) October 25th, 2002-January 13th, 2009

49. James Webb (C-VA)/Doug Hoffman (C-NY) January 13th, 2009-Present

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« Reply #878 on: July 28, 2011, 03:55:09 pm »
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The Plot to Kill President Kennedy

35. John F Kennedy (D-MA)/Lyndon B Johnson (D-TX) 1961-1963
36. Lyndon B Johnson (D-TX)/vacant, Hubert H Humphrey (D-MN) 1963-1973

37. Richard m Nixon (R-CA)/George HW Bush (R-TX) 1973-1981
38. John Connally (D-TX)/Richard Helms (D-PA) 1981-1989
39. Richard Helms (D-PA)/Jack Crichton (D-TX) 1989-1993

40. George HW Bush (R-TX)/Arlen Specter (R-PA) 1993-2001
41. Arlen Specter (R-PA)/George W Bush (R-TX) 2001-2009

42. John F Kennedy Jr. (I-NY)/Jesse Ventura (I-MN) 2009-Present

In 1963, President Kennedy is assassinated in Dallas, Texas. This was a plot arranged by both Democrats and Republicans, including several future Presidents. Johnson, working with Director of Central Intelligence Richard Helms, former Vice-President Richard Nixon, CIA allies George Bush and Jack Crichton, Supreme Court Justice Earl Warren, and attorney Arlen Specter, was able to cover this up from the world for a large amount of time. Over time, the plotters propogated their own dynasty over the nation, which also included the timely deaths of Senator Robert F Kennedy in 1968 just as he was challenging President Johnson for the nomination, and Senator Ted Kennedy in 1980 as his campaign for President was revving up. While the issue was brought to light in the 1976 Presidential campaign of Senator James Garrison of Louisiana, he himself was crushed in a landslide going up against President Nixon, and was later shot, but not killed.

Eventually, in the fall of 2007, CIA documents were made public by former CIA agent Robert Gates and published in the book "The Plot to Kill President Kennedy". Despite the mass media on both the Left and Right not believing it, the American people were sick of the lies and cover-ups and gladly voted for former Congressman John F Kennedy Jr. who himself barely survived a near fatal shooting before election day.
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« Reply #879 on: July 29, 2011, 10:58:22 pm »
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1968: Nelson Rockefeller/John Tower
1972: Nelson Rockefeller/John Tower
1975: John Tower/Louis Lefkowitz*

1976: Henry Jackson/Birch Bayh
1980: Gerald Ford/Jesse Helms
1984: Gerald Ford/Jesse Helms

1988: Edward Kennedy/Bill Clinton
1992: Jack Kemp/William Weld
1996: Jack Kemp/William Weld

2000: Bill Clinton/Russ Feingold
2004: Bill Clinton/Russ Feingold

2008: Mitt Romney/Tim Pawlenty
2012: Mitt Romney/Tim Pawlenty

*Assassinated

1968: Hubert Humphrey/Ed Muskie
1972: George McGovern/Mike Gravel

1976: John Tower/John Connally
1980: Henry Jackson/Birch Bayh
1984: Birch Bayh/Lane Kirkland

1988: Jesse Helms/Paul Laxalt
1992: Edward Kennedy/Bill Clinton
1996: Diane Feinstein/Jay Rockefeller

2000: William Weld/Ron Paul
2004: Ron Paul/Gary Johnson

2008: Russ Feingold/Hillary Clinton
2012: Evan Bayh/Kendrick Meek



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« Reply #880 on: August 08, 2011, 06:24:36 pm »
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The American Consensus

34. Dwight D Eisenhower (R-KS); January 20th, 1953-January 20th, 1961
          -Richard M Nixon (R-CA); January 20th, 1953-January 20th, 1957
          -Robert P Anderson (R-TX); January 20th, 1957-January 20th, 1961
35. Robert P Anderson (R-TX); January 20th, 1961-November 22nd, 1963
          -Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY); January 20th, 1961-November 22nd, 1963
36. Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY); November 22nd, 1963-January 20th, 1969
          -William Scranton (R-PA); January 20th, 1965-January 20th, 1969

37. Lyndon B Johnson (D-TX); January 20th, 1969-June 17th, 1970
          -Henry M Jackson (D-WA); January 20th, 1969-June 17th, 1970
38. Henry M Jackson (D-WA); June 17th, 1970-January 20th, 1977
          -Hubert H Humphrey (D-MN); August 3rd, 1970-January 20th, 1973
          -Ronald W Reagan (D-CA); January 20th, 1973-January 20th, 1977
39. Ronald W Reagan (D-CA); January 20th, 1977-January 20th, 1981
          -Edward M Kennedy (D-MA); January 20th, 1977-January 20th, 1981

40. Howard H Baker Jr. (R-TN); January 20th, 1981-January 20th, 1989
          -Charles Percy (R-IL) January 20th, 1981-January 20th, 1989
41. Charles Percy (R-IL); January 20th, 1989-January 20th, 1993
          -George HW Bush (R-TX); January 20th, 1989-January 20th, 1993

42. Joseph R Biden (D-DE); January 20th, 1993-January 20th, 2001
          -Charles E Robb (D-VA); January 20th, 1993-January 20th, 2001
43. Charles E Robb (D-VA); January 20th, 2001-January 20th, 2009
          -Joseph Lieberman (D-CT) January 20th, 2001-January 20th, 2009

44. John McCain (R-AZ); January 20th, 2009-Present
          -Lincoln Chaffee (R-RI); January 20th, 2009-Present

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« Reply #881 on: August 08, 2011, 08:25:04 pm »
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FDR the Republican

The POD is that Franklin Delano Roosevelt decides to pursue his political career as a Republican after voting for his distant relative, President Theodore Roosevelt in 1904. In 1906, he is elected to a US House district in New York City previously represented by William Randolph Hearst. In 1914, FDR is elected to the US Senate. In the favorable Republican year of 1918, Roosevelt defeats State Assembly Speaker Alfred Smith for Governor of New York. Two years later, Roosevelt is nominated by the Republicans for Vice President.

1920: Warren G. Harding (R-OH) *1/Franklin D. Roosevelt (R-NY)
1923: Franklin D. Roosevelt (R-NY)/vacant
1924: Franklin D. Roosevelt (R-NY)/Irvine Lenroot (R-WI)
1928: Herbert Hoover (R-CA)/Charles Curtis (R-KS)

1932: Millard Tydings (D-MD)/Herbert Pell (D-RI)
1936: Millard Tydings (D-MD)/Herbert Pell (D-RI)

1940: Franklin D. Roosevelt (R-NY) *2/Alfred Landon (R-KS)
1944: Franklin D. Roosevelt (R-NY) *3/Alfred Landon (R-KS)
1946: Alfred Landon (R-KS)/vacant

1948: Ernest McFarland (D-AZ)/Alben Barkley (D-KY)
1952: Thomas Dewey (R-NY)/Robert LaFolette (R-WI) *4
1954: Thomas Dewey (R-NY)/vacant
1956: Thomas Dewey (R-NY)/Hubert H. Humphrey (R-MN)

1960: Joseph P. Kennedy Jr. (D-MA) *5/Ronald Reagan (D-CA)
1963: Ronald Reagan (D-CA)/vacant
1964: Ronald Reagan (D-CA)/Albert Gore Sr. (D-TN)

1968: Mark Hatfield (R-OR)/Robert Taft Jr. (R-OH)
1972: Mark Hatfield (R-OR)/Robert Taft Jr. (R-OH)

1976: Robert F. Kennedy (D-MA)/Jimmy Carter (D-GA) *6
1980: John Anderson (R-IL)/Morris Udall (R-AZ) *7
1984: John Anderson (R-IL)/Morris Udall (R-AZ)
1988: Richard Thornburgh (R-PA)/Eliot Richardson (R-MA)

1992: Albert Gore Jr. (D-TN)/Alphonse D’Amato (D-NY) *8
1996: Mitt Romney (R-MA)/Ronald Dellums (R-CA) *9
2000: Mitt Romney (R-MA)/Ronald Dellums (R-CA)

2004: Robert F. Kennedy Jr. (D-NY)/John Edwards (D-NC) *10
2008: Robert F. Kennedy Jr. (D-NY)/James R. “Rick” Perry (D-TX)


1. Died in office in 1923 (As Vice President, FDR does not spend his vacation in Campobello Island. Therefore, he is not stricken with polio)

2. First President since Grover Cleveland to serve non-consecutive terms

3. Stress of being war time President contributed to Roosevelt’s death from a stroke

4. Suffering from lifelong depression, Vice President LaFolette committed suicide from alcohol poisoning

5. First Roman Catholic President. Assassinated on November 22, 1963

6. RFK served as US Attorney General in his brother’s administration and that of his successor Ronald Reagan. After Edward Kennedy (elected in 1962 to JPK’s Senate seat) was killed in a plane crash in 1964, RFK resigned and stayed in seclusion at the family compound in Martha’s Vineyard. After a period of mourning his brothers’ deaths, RFK defeated self-appointed Senator Endicott Peabody in the Democratic primary and won election to the US Senate. He rose to Senate Majority Leader in 1972 and served in that capacity until 1975 when he successfully sought the Presidency. RFK’s Presidency would be tarred with wiretapping scandals, a kickback scheme that forced the resignation of Vice President Carter’s Chief of Staff Bert Lance and a primary challenge from Senator John Conally.

7. Udall became the first Mormon Vice President but decided to retire in 1988 for health reasons. Two months before his death in 1996, his son Governor Thomas Udall of New Mexico revealed that he first developed symptoms of Alzheimer’s disease in 1987.

8. Gore’s Presidency was doomed when he broke his no tax pledge and had to approve of tax increases and Medicare cuts to fund an increase in the debt ceiling. To top it off, Vice President D’Amato was the subject of articles in Newsday detailing the bribes he received for steering HUD-financed housing to relatives and political allies. D’Amato chose not to seek a second term as VP and was replaced on the ticket by California Congressman Robert Dornan. The Democrats still lost in a landslide.

9. First Mormon President and first African-American Vice President

10. Vice President Edwards did not seek reelection in 2008 for personal reasons. Publicly, he cited his wife’s cancer. In private, the FBI discovered that Edwards carried on an extramarital affair that produced an out-of-wedlock child. For that reason, President Kennedy “encouraged” Edwards to retire quietly. Texas Governor Rick Perry replaced Edwards on the ticket.
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Awesome, but I have a feeling you might have lifted something from something Im currently working on.
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« Reply #883 on: August 09, 2011, 01:24:30 pm »
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In honor of the late great Mark Hatfield, two different lists:

37. Richard M Nixon (R-NY)/Mark Hatfield (R-OR) 1969-1974
38. Mark Hatfield (R-OR)/vacant, Gerald R Ford, James L Buckley (R-NY) 1974-1981

39. Henry M Jackson (D-WA)/Daniel Patrick Moynihan (D-NY) 1981-1983
40. Daniel Patrick Moynihan (D-NY)/vacant, Lloyd Bentsen (D-TX) 1983-1993

41. Pete Wilson (R-CA)/Bob Packwood (R-OR), vacant, William Weld (R-MA) 1993-2001
42. William Weld (R-MA)/Colin L Powell (R-NY) 2001-2005

43. John Edwards (D-NC)/Robert Casey Jr. (D-PA) 2005-2009
44. Colin L Powell (R-NY)/Mitt Romney (R-MA) 2009-Present

40. Mark Hatfield (R-OR)/Larry Pressler (R-SD) 1981-1989
41. Larry Pressler (R-SD)/Jack Kemp (R-NY) 1989-1993

42. Paul Tsongas (D-MA)/Al Gore Jr. (D-TN) 1993-1997
43. Al Gore Jr. (D-TN)/vacant, Sam Nunn (D-GA) 1997-2005

44. John McCain (R-AZ)/Gordon Smith (R-OR) 2005-Present
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« Reply #884 on: August 09, 2011, 08:03:07 pm »
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Awesome, but I have a feeling you might have lifted something from something Im currently working on.

Probably a coincidence.
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Awesome, but I have a feeling you might have lifted something from something Im currently working on.

Probably a coincidence.

Okay, because I have a mini-timeline going on here that so far has resulted in FDR being Ford's VP in 1920, Ford getting killed, and Ford serving from 1922 to 1929, and then being elected to a third term in 1940, and the coincidence was weird (except in this, FDR's a Democrat).
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« Reply #886 on: August 26, 2011, 06:53:46 am »
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The Family Business
George Romney/George H.W. Bush (1969-1977)
Ted Kennedy/Birch Bayh (1977-1981)
Howard Baker/Bob Dole (1981-1989)
Bill Clinton/Al Gore (1989-1997)
Nancy Landon Kassenbaum/Elizabeth Dole (1997-2003)
                                            George W. Bush (2003-2005)

Hillary Clinton/Evan Bayh (2005-2013)
Mitt Romney/Jeb Bush (2013-2021)
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Sharing The Wealth: A New Realignment

POD is the assassination of President-Elect Franklin D. Roosevelt by Giuseppe Zangara. Vice President-Elect John Nance Garner becomes President and governs as the Democratic Coolidge and there is no New Deal.

32. John Nance Garner (D-TX): 1933-1937
33. Huey P. Long (SOW-LA): 1937-1945
34. Henry Wallace (SOW, P-IA): 1945-1949

35. Earl Warren (DR-CA): 1949-1950
36. Joseph McCarthy (DR-WI): 1950-1952
37. Walter George (DR-GA): 1952-1953

38. Claude Pepper (L-FL): 1953-1961
39. Joseph P. Kennedy, Jr. (DR-MA): 1961-1969
40. Hubert H. Humphrey (L-MN): 1969-1975
41. Fred Harris (L-OK): 1975-1981

42. Edmund G. “Jerry” Brown, Jr. (DR-CA): 1981-1985
43. John D. “Jay” Rockefeller IV (P-NY): 1985-1993
44. Patrick Leahy (P-VT): 1993-1997

45. Lamar Alexander (DR-TN): 1997-2005
46. Dennis Kucinich (S-CA): 2005-2009
47. Andrew Cuomo (P-NY): 2009-Present

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SOW=Share Our Wealth
DR=Democratic Republican
P=Progressive
L=Labor
S=Socialist Party of Labor

33. In the aftermath of FDR’s assassination, Huey Long strengthened security in Louisiana to the point that it became a de facto police state with a suspension of habeas corpus. These measures were credited with preventing an assassination attempt on Long in 1935. When the Democrats nominated President Garner and the Republicans nominated Alfred Landon, there were very little differences in political philosophy. Long ran to the left on a platform of taxing higher incomes, building highways and reforming the banking system and financial markets. As President, Long kept the United States neutral during World War II The alliance of the United Kingdom, France and the USSR defeated the German-led Axis.

34. Wallace served as Secretary of Agriculture during Long’s first term. Vice President William Borah died in early 1940, and Wallace was selected as Long’s running mate. Wallace was elected to President Long’s “third” term in 1944. This was the first election in which the conservative wings of the Democratic and Republican parties merged into the Democratic Republican party and nominated Senator Harry Hopkins (D-NY) for President and Governor John Bricker (R-OH) for Vice President. During the Wallace Presidency, the Soviet Union was able to spread Communism all the way to Austria, Greece and North Italy. The Empire of Japan granted dominion status for Korea and Manchukuo. His efforts to end segregation in the South split the Share Our Wealth party. And the arrest of Secretary of State Whittaker Chambers in 1946 for selling secrets to the USSR led to the Democrat Republicans ending the SOW majority in the House and Senate in the midterm elections. The SOW refused to nominate Wallace in 1948; he ran for re-election under the banner of the Progressive Party. The SOW nominated Senator Richard Russell of Georgia for President and Governor Strom Thurmond of South Carolina for Vice President. The Democratic Republicans nominated Governor Earl Warren for President and Senator Joseph McCarthy for Vice President, and won a landslide victory in 1948.

35. Assassinated by Puerto Rican nationalists in 1950.

36. First Roman Catholic President. His imposition of martial law in Puerto Rico turned into a revolt which resulted in the deaths of over 2,000 Marines who attempted to restore order. The turning point came with the summary execution of Dr. Ernesto “Che” Guevara, a mercenary from Argentina who aided the Puerto Rican rebels. The quagmire there resulted in the resignations of Dwight Eisenhower as Secretary of War, George Marshall as Secretary of State, and Thomas Dewey as Attorney General. With President McCarthy’s job approval ratings dropping to 20 percent in early 1952, Dewey challenged McCarthy for the nomination in the primaries. Dewey won 12 out of 15 states that had primaries but the remaining 33 states were behind McCarthy. Dewey ran as an Independent and selected George Marshall as his running mate. Strom Thurmond ran as the States Rights Democratic nominee for President with Senator James Eastland of Mississippi as his running mate (they won four deep South states). This allowed Claude Pepper to defeat McCarthy that November. After the election, a distraught McCarthy began drinking heavily and died of alcohol poisoning during a Thanksgiving visit to his family in Wisconsin.

37. Walter George, a former Senator who replaced Marshall as Secretary of State, served the remainder of McCarthy’s term of office.

38. Claude Pepper served as Vice President (1945-1949) during the Wallace administration. Pepper spent the next four years courting the Socialists, Progressives and former members of the Share Our Wealth Party (most of the southern SOW members would join the Democratic Republican party). The result was the creation of the Labor Party in 1951. At its first National Convention in San Francisco, the party adopted a civil rights plank. Pepper selected Senator Glen H. Taylor of Idaho as his running mate. The Labor ticket won a landslide victory with President McCarthy winning only Massachusetts, his home state of Wisconsin, and his running mate Willis Robertson’s home state of Virginia. During the Pepper Administration, the Department of War was reorganized, an interstate pipeline was established in the interior western states, Puerto Ricans voted for total independence, and Alaska and Hawaii were admitted as the 49th and 50th states. In foreign affairs, President Pepper took a realpolitik approach to the USSR and established the Pepper corollary to the Monroe Doctrine which advocated hands off policy to the internal affairs of Central and South America. As a result, Pepper refused to intervene in the Guatemalan Civil War that kept Jacobo Arbenz in power and did not impose sanctions on Cuba even after Fidel Castro overthrew the Batista regime in 1959.

39. JPK campaigned for the White House on a platform of getting American moving again and increasing defense spending. His brother and campaign manager, Congressman John F. Kennedy, was credited with the winning campaign. Vice President Taylor ran a second rate campaign and was often overshadowed by his running mate, Senator Hubert Humphrey. As President, Kennedy pursued a policy of détente with the Vienna Pact nations led by the USSR and intervened to prevent rebellions in the Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico. To keep Cuba out of the Russian sphere of influence, President Kennedy offered to close down Guantanamo Bay, remove tariffs on Cuban sugar and provide financial assistance for modernizing the tourism industry, all of which Prime Minister Castro accepted (he would never declare himself a Marxist and in 1974, agreed to reinstate political parties that he banned when he came to power). On domestic policy, Kennedy’s goal of putting a man on the Moon became reality in 1967 and the income tax was cut from its high of 90 percent down to 28 percent. Despite leaving office with job approval ratings of 75 percent, Kennedy was unable to deliver victory to his party’s nominee Senate Minority Leader Lyndon Johnson and his running mate, Governor George Romney of Michigan. The Democratic Republicans convention was a disaster as Governor George Wallace led a walkout of Southern delegates, many of whom supported Barry Goldwater for President and were upset that a Mormon was chosen for the ticket (even members of Kennedy’s inner circle distanced themselves from LBJ).
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40. Died in office from incurable cancer in 1975 and succeeded by Vice President Fred Harris.

41. President Harris won a full term in 1976 with his running mate, Senator Ryan De Graffenried of Alabama. However, it would be dominated by a recession further exacerbated by the OPEC oil embargo and an unpopular decision to send US Marines to the Kingdom of (South) Italy to stop a military invasion by Communist North Italy that was triggered by South Italy’s decision to allow the exiled Shah of Iran to seek medical treatment (resulting in the taking of hostages at the South Italian embassy in Teheran by students connected to the Iranian Tudeh party). Although the South defeated the North and united Italy, President Harris lost the support of much of his base that opposed military intervention in Italy. Harris survived a primary challenge from Senator Russell Long of Louisiana, son of President Huey Long, and regarded as the “Lion of the Senate”. 

42. Jerry Brown campaigned on a platform of environmental protection and cutting wasteful spending which he referred to as an “Era of Limits.” Despite the ratification of the Balanced Budget Amendment and creation of over one million jobs, President Brown refused to run for a second term. First Lady Linda Ronstadt Brown returned to California after 18 months of marriage. Vice President John Tower resigned from office on December 23, 1979 after admitting a drinking problem and an extramarital affair (there were reports that Tower and his close friend Senator Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts, brother of the former President, were caught inflagrante delicto with a waitress at a restaurant near Capitol Hill).

43. Jay Rockefeller was born into a Democratic Republican family and was a cousin of Nelson Rockefeller (US Senator from New York: 1957-1965, Secretary of State: 1965-1969). As the Democratic Republicans became dominated by Southerners and social conservatives and Labor was dominated by trade unionists, Euro-socialists, atheists, protectionists and economic Luddites, Rockefeller felt that he had no home in either party. The Progressive Party attracted socially liberal white collar and middle-class voters from the two parties who rejected the ideological extremes. Rockefeller joined the Progressives in 1977 and was elected Governor of New York over Democratic Republican incumbent Hugh Carey and Labor nominee Bella Abzug. By 1984, the Progressive Party grew in popularity (it won control of the House of Representatives in 1982). Rockefeller and his running mate, Senator Patrick Leahy of Vermont, won the election (after winning California with a 564 vote margin over Labor nominee, Senator Ralph Nader of Connecticut).

Rockefeller’s Presidency coincided with the end of Communism in Europe begun with the unification of Italy during the Harris administration and the transitions to democracy in Greece, Austria and Yugoslavia during the Brown administration. Also, talks began on a North American Free Trade Treaty with Canada, Mexico, Puerto Rico, Cuba and the Dominican Republic. NAFTA was created with the purpose of competing with the United Kingdom and its dominions in Jamaica, Bahamas, Grenada and Guyana.

44. President Leahy followed the popular Rockefeller administration and got Congress to ratify NAFTA. In 1994, all European countries signed a charter creating the United Nations of Europe (UNE) with its headquarters in Geneva and an international war crimes court in The Hague. But after twelve years of Progressive Presidents and rising unemployment, the voters sought a change and elected Senator Lamar Alexander of Tennessee, a moderate Democratic Republican, to the White House.

45. The Alexander administration saw further opening of free trade barriers and the Tax Reform Act of 1998. On the foreign front, Secretary of State Howard Baker’s mediation of a peace treaty ending the Egyptian-Tunisian War (1999-2000) and efforts to win international recognition of Kurdistan earned himself the Nobel Peace Prize.

46. With Labor’s political fortunes on the decline, the party splintered with Dennis Kucinich, a California transplant born in Cleveland and a San Francisco Supervisor, leading the pacifist and urban blue-collar wing out of the party and forming the Socialist Party of Labor. With low-income voters forming the base of the Socialists, Kucinich was elected Mayor of San Francisco in 1991 and Governor of California in 1998 where he presided over the growth in the size of state government, the terra-formation of the southeastern California desert, and doubled the number of public schools in the state. With the Democratic Republicans nominating Vice President John McCain and Progressives nominating Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts, the time was right for Kucinich to run for President. His running mate, New York City Mayor Al Sharpton, became the first African-American to run on a major party ticket. With the Socialists taking 98 percent of the black vote, the Socialists made inroads into the South and for the first time won the states of Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama and Florida. Kucinich’s promise to terraform unused desert land resulted in winning every interior western state except Arizona.

While President Kucinich achieved the creation of the Department of Peace, he lost political capital with diplomatic recognition of the UNE, passage of the Cap and Trade Act of 2006, an embezzlement scandal at HUD, Federal takeovers of foreign owned textile mills in the South, and the resignation of Vice President Sharpton’s Chief of Staff for accepting bribes to redirect public school construction to his politically connected friends.

47. Andrew Cuomo, son of former New York Governor Mario Cuomo (1985-1995), followed in his father’s political footsteps. Andrew was elected to the New York State Senate in 1998 where he served two terms. He was elected Governor in 2002 and re-elected in 2006 with a record 74 percent. His working relationship with New York City Mayor Charles Schumer resulted in landmark pension reform for state and city employees. Using the line item veto more times than previous Governors, spending was cut by 95 percent and the budgets were balanced on time. During his 2008 campaign for President, a potential headache was avoided when Senator Elliot Spitzer resigned in the wake of the “DC Madam” scandal. Cuomo appointed Congressman Christine Quinn, the Senate’s first openly gay member.

To make up for his lack of experience in foreign affairs, Cuomo selected US Senator and former diplomat Jon Huntsman of Utah as his running mate. The Progressive ticket split the South with Democratic Republican nominee Rick Perry of Texas, swept the Northeast and cut into Kucinich’s western support to win the White House. To date, Cuomo enjoys 60 percent job approval ratings and is favored to win reelection next year.
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1996: Powell/Alexander defeats Clinton/Gore
2000: Powell/Alexander defeats Gore/Feingold
2004: Biden/Edwards defeats Alexander/Bush
2008: Bush/McCain defeats Biden/Edwards
2012: Obama/Bayh defeats Bush/McCain
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24. Grover Cleveland (D-NY)/Adlai Stevenson I (D-IL) March 4th, 1893-March 4th, 1897
25. William Jennings Bryan (D-NE)/Arthur Sewall (D-ME), Adlai E Stevenson I (D-IL) March 4th, 1897-September 14th, 1901
26. Adlai E Stevenson I (D-IL)/vacant September 14th, 1901-March 4th, 1905

27. Henry Cabot Lodge (R-MA)/Theodore Roosevelt (R-NY) March 4th, 1905-March 4th, 1913
28. Theodore Roosevelt (R-NY)/William H Taft (R-OH) March 4th, 1913-March 4th, 1917

29. Charles W Bryan (D-NE)/Oscar W Underwood (D-AL) March 4th, 1917-March 4th, 1925
30. John Calvin Coolidge (R-MA)/Herbert C Hoover (R-CA) March 4th, 1925-January 5th, 1933
31. Herbert C Hoover (R-CA)/vacant January 5th, 1933-March 4th, 1933

32. Huey Pierce Long (D-LA)/John Nance Garner (D-TX) March 4th, 1933-September 10th, 1935
33. John Nance Garner (D-TX)/vacant September 10th, 1935-March 4th, 1937
34. Henry A Wallace (D-IA)/Harry S Truman (D-MO) March 4th, 1937-March 4th, 1941

35. Alfred E Smith (L-NY)/Joseph B Ely (L-MA) March 4th, 1941-March 4th, 1945
36. Thomas Dewey (R-NY)/John W Bricker (R-OH) March 4th, 1945-March 4th, 1953
37. Henry A Wallace (D-IA)/Adlai E Stevenson II (D-IL) March 4th, 1953-March 4th, 1957
38. Adlai E Stevenson (D-IL)/James Folsom (D-AL) March 4th, 1957-March 4th, 1965)

39. Barry Goldwater (L-AZ)/William E Miller (L-NY) March 4th, 1965-March 4th, 1973
39. James E Carter (D-GA)/Russell B Long (D-LA) March 4th, 1973-March 4th, 1977
40. Gerald R Ford (R-MI)/Robert S Dole (R-KA) March 4th, 1977-March 4th, 1985
41. Russell B Long (D-LA)/Adlai E Stevenson III (D-IL) March 4th, 1985-March 4th, 1989
42. Edmund G "Jerry" Brown Jr. (L-CA)/Mark O Hatfield (L-OR), Paul Simon (L-OR) March 4th, 1989-March 4th, 1997
43. John E Bush (R-CT)/Scott Romney (R-MI) March 4th, 1997-February 1st, 2005
44. Scott Romney (R-MI)/Al D'Amoto (R-NY) February 1st, 2005-February 1st, 2009

45. James E Folsom Jr. (D-AL)/Jon Tester (D-MT) February 1st, 2009-Present

25. William Jennings Bryan: shot, the last victim of hte 20 year curse.
27. Henry Cabot Lodge: widely regarded as one of this nation's greatest Presidents due to building it up to superpower status, a legacy that would be continued by his friend and successor Theodore Roosevelt.
30. Calvin Coolidge: died of a stroke during the lame duck period.
32. Huey Long: Shot while promoting his "Every Man a King" program.
34., 37. Henry Wallace: Agriculture Secretary under President Long, before that Governor of Iowa. The first President since Grover Cleveland to be elected to two unconsecutive terms. He was the son of another Agriculture Secretary, Henry C Wallace, who served in that position from 1919 to 1924.
35. Al Smith: first Roman Catholic President and first President from the Liberal Party. The Liberal Party found its roots in opposition to Northern WASP Conservatism of the Republicans and Southern Evangelical Liberalism of the Democrats. Made up of a combination of urban Catholics and Classic Liberals, the Liberal Party had Smith as its candidate in 1932 and 1936. Previously, he served as Governor of New York (1919-1920, 1923-1932)
39. Barry Goldwater: the second Liberal President, Goldwater would have remained a reluctant Republican were it not for a campaign stop through Prescott Arizona by former President Smith in 1948. "I finally realized what party stood in true opposition the Huey Long and Henry Wallace, and it wasn't those pretentious New England Republicans." Before becoming President he served as Senator from Arizona (1953-1965)
41. Gerald Ford: first Republican President in  24 years and first President from Michigan, He would be elected Speaker of the House in 1972 despite the Democratic Presidential victory, and, incredibly reluctantly, due to his nationwide popularity and skill at passing the Republican agenda, be nominated by the Republicans in 1976 and cruise to victory over the embattled President Carter. He would win landslide re-election in 1980, though not have the satisfaction of having a Republican successor.
42. Jerry Brown: second Catholic President and first Liberal President, Brown would be known for his charisma, appeal to youth, and eccentricity while in office combined with a good economy and the first balanced budget since Calvin Coolidge was in office. Previously was Governor of California (1975-1983) and Senator (1983-1989)
43. Jeb Bush: son of politician George Bush who served as Congressman (1967-1971) and Senator (1971-1977) from Connecticut before serving as Secretary of State under President Ford. Jeb Bush on the other hand served as Congressman (1987-1991) and Governor of Connecticut (1991-1996) before being elected President. He and Brown are considered two of the better Presidents of recent times.
44. Scott Romney: first Mormon President and son of 1968 Republican nominee George W Romney, Scott also served as Michigan's Governor, being in that position from 1991 to 1996.

Historical Periods
"The Populis Age: 1896-1940"
Despite the Conservative Presidencies of Calvin Coolidge and Henry Cabot Lodge, the main point that historians note is the dominance of populism during that era. With William Jennings Bryan, the Bourbon Democrats were defeated. The Populist Democrats, holding six of the eleven Presidential terms during this period, would also have an ally in Theodore Roosevelt, a Progressive Republican, therefore, making Populism in some form the dominant ideology for 28 of the 44 years of this period.

"Transition Period: 1940-1976"
Filled with Presidents of various ideologies, despite Democrats holding the Presidency a plurality of the time during this period (four of the nine Presidential terms), and in fact having a twelve year winning streak, Al Smith's election to the Presidency in 1940 marked a shaking up of the two-party system, and the Democrats were obviously not the dominant force desptie their twelve year streak, especially given Adlai Stevenson II's re-election in 1960 where he came in second in the popular vote with only his close victory in Illinois giving him the win. Especially with the election of Barry Goldwater, an "unabashed Conservative Liberal" and a perceived radical, it was clear that things were not completely calm and no party held true dominance.

"Conservative Period: 1976-2008"
From 1964 to 1972, from a historical perspective, one can already seeing America segue into its Conservative Period, beginning with the election of Gerald R Ford. The reductions in the deficit and in debt made by both Presidents Goldwater and Carter paved the way for Ford's massive reduction of inflation and the deficit, as well as President Brown's balanced budget. With Democrats holding power for only four years during this period, and Russell Long's Presidency mainly being haulted by Liberals and Republicans in Congress, it is clear that the main dogma of the time was fiscal conservatism, and Presidents Bush and Romney were able to sustain Brown's balanced budget through the first twelve year string of Republican Presidents since the 1910's. This period seemingly came to an abrupt hault with the market crash of 2007 and the Democrats making massive gains in both Houses of Congress and, of course, the Presidency, in 2008.
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'Twould seem I'm obsessed with the Whigs... a.k.a. The Survival of Zachary Taylor
12. Zachary Taylor (W-LA)/Millard Fillmore (W-NY) March 4th, 1849-March 4th, 1853
13. Winfield Scott (W-NJ)/John Fremont (W-CA) March 4th, 1853-March 4th, 1861
14. John Fremont (W-CA)/Abraham Lincoln (W-IL) March 4th, 1861-April 15th, 1865
15. Abraham Lincoln (W-IL)/vacant, Schuyler Colfax (W-IN) April 15th, 1865-March 4th, 1873

16. Charles O'Connor (D-NY)/Thomas Hendricks (D-IN) March 4th, 1873-March 4th, 1877
17. Joshua Chamberlain (W-ME)/Alphonso Taft (W-OH) March 4th, 1877-March 4th, 1881
18. Winfield Scott Hancock (D-PA)/Thomas F Bayard (D-DE) March 4th, 1881-February 9th, 1886
19. Thomas F Bayard (D-DE)/vacant February 9th, 1886-March 4th, 1889

20. James Weaver (P-IA)/Henry M Teller (SW-CO) March 4th, 1889-March 4th, 1893
21. Wiliam McKinley (W-OH)/vacant, Robert Todd Lincoln (W-IL) March 4th, 1893-March 4th, 1901
22. Robert Todd Lincoln (W-IL)/Henry Cabot Lodge (W-MA) March 4th, 1901-March 4th, 1909
23. Henry Cabot Lodge (W-MA)/Theodore Roosevelt (W-NY), William Howard Taft (W-OH) March 4th, 1909-March 4th, 1917

24. William Jennings Bryan (D-NE)/John F Fitzgerald (D-MA), James M Cox (D-OH), Franklin D Roosevelt (D-NY) March 4th, 1917-July 26th, 1925
25. Franklin D Roosevelt (D-NY)/vacant, John Nance Garner (D-TX) July 26th, 1925-March 4th, 1933

26. Robert Taft (W-OH)/Arthur H Vandenberg (W-MI) March 4th, 1933-March 4th, 1941
27. Arthur H Vandenberg (W-MI)/James Farley (W-NY) March 4th, 1941-March 4th, 1949

28. Earl Warren (D-CA)/Harry S Truman (D-MO) March 4th, 1949-March 4th, 1953
29. John W Bricker (W-OH)/Hubert H Humphrey (W-MN) March 4th, 1953-March 4th, 1961
30. James E Folsom (D-AL)/Mike Mansfield (D-MT) March 4th, 1961-January 13th, 1969
31. Theodore RM Howard (W-IL)/Robert F Kennedy (W-NY) January 13th, 1969-January 13th, 1981
32. Robert F Kennedy (W-NY)/George W Romney (W-MI) January 13th, 1981-January 13th, 1989

33. John McCain (D-VA)/Richard Gephardt (D-MO) January 13th, 1989-January 13th, 1997
34. Richard Gephardt (D-MO)/Russell Feingold (D-WI) January 13th, 1997-January 13th, 2001

35. Gordon Smith (W-OR)/Robert Taft II (W-OH), vacant, Judd Gregg (W-NH) January 13th, 2001-January 13th, 2009
36. Jack Carte (D-NV)/James Webb (D-VA) January 13th, 2009-Present
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FDR survives and serves out the remainder of his fourth term. He declines to seek a fifth term, and Harry Truman goes down in defeat against Eisenhower in a landslide.

33. Dwight Eisenhower 1949-1957
34. Richard Nixon 1957-1961 **
35. Lyndon Johnson 1961-1969 *
36. George Romney 1969-1973 **
37. John F. Kennedy 1973-1981
38. Ronald Reagan 1981-1985 *
39. Jerry Brown 1985-1989 **
40. George H.W. Bush 1989-1993 **
41. H. Ross Perot 1993-1997 **
42. Bill Clinton 1997-2005
43. Howard Dean 2005-2009 **
44. Michael Bloomberg 2009-2013 *
45. Jon Huntsman 2013-2021
46. Chris Christie 2021-2029
47. Nikki Haley 2029-2033 **


* Served One Term
** Defeated for Reelection
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Democratic Rule:

35. John F. Kennedy 1961-1969
36. Hubert Humphrey 1969-1973 **
37. Ronald Reagan 1973-1977 **
38. Jimmy Carter 1977-1981 *
39. Ted Kennedy 1981-1989
40. Mario Cuomo 1989-1997
41. Bill Clinton 1997-2005
42. Bill Richardson 2005-2009 **
43. Mitt Romney 2009-2013 **
44. Barack Obama 2013-2021
45. Brian Schweitzer 2021-2025 *
46. Marco Rubio 2025-2033

* Served One Term
** Defeated for Reelection

Defeated Candidates:

1960: Richard Nixon 50.9%-47.4%
1964: Nelson Rockefeller 53.3%-44.0%
1968: George Romney 44.1%-43.0%-11.0%
1972: Hubert Humphrey 52.7%-46.3%
1976: Ronald Reagan 48.3%-48.5%
1980: Bob Dole 49.8%-46.5%
1984: Jack Kemp 51.9%-47.5%
1988: George H.W. Bush 56.6%-44.1%
1992: Lamar Alexander 59.8%-39.4%
1996: Dan Quayle 57.9%-41.2%
2000: Elizabeth Dole 61.1%-38.6%
2004: Ron Paul 59.2%-40.0%
2008: Bill Richardson 50.1%-47.0%
2012: Mitt Romney 49.5%-48.1%
2016: Michele Bachmann 62.3%-36.6%
2020: Tim Pawlenty 54.4%-45.0%
2024: Andrew Cuomo 49.2%-49.0%


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FDR survives and serves out the remainder of his fourth term. He declines to seek a fifth term, and Harry Truman goes down in defeat against Eisenhower in a landslide.

33. Dwight Eisenhower 1953-1961
34. Richard Nixon 1961-1965 **
35. Lyndon Johnson 1965-1969 *
36. George Romney 1969-1973 **
37. John F. Kennedy 1973-1981
38. Ronald Reagan 1981-1985 *
39. Jerry Brown 1985-1989 **
40. George H.W. Bush 1989-1993 **
41. H. Ross Perot 1993-1997 **
42. Bill Clinton 1997-2005
43. Howard Dean 2005-2009 **
44. Michael Bloomberg 2009-2013 *
45. Jon Huntsman 2013-2021
46. Chris Christie 2021-2029
47. Nikki Haley 2029-2033 **


* Served One Term
** Defeated for Reelection


Who served from 1949 to 1953? Even if FDR lived, and declined a fifth term, that leaves it being FDR (1933-1949) and Eisenhower (1953-1961). Who's filling the gap?
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The Return of Gerald Ford
Presidents
1980: Gerald Ford/John Connally
1984: John Connally/Robert Dole
1988: John Connally/Robert Dole

1992: Richard Gephardt/Chris Dodd
1996: Richard Gephardt/Chris Dodd

2000: Frank Keating/John Engler
2004: Russ Feingold/Robert Graham
2008: Elizabeth Dole/Tim Pawlenty
2012: Elizabeth Dole/Tim Pawlenty
2016: Tim Pawlenty/Dino Rossi

2020: Brian Schweitzer/Tammy Baldwin

Defeated Tickets
1980: James Carter/Walter Mondale
1984: Gary Hart/Reubin Askew
1988: Walter Mondale/Al Gore

1992: Robert Dole/Lamar Alexander
1996: Lamar Alexander/Arlen Specter

2000: William Clinton/Hillary Rodham
2004: Frank Keating/John Engler
2008: Russ Feingold/Charlie Crist
2012: Charlie Crist/Julian Castro
2016: Al Gore/Cory Booker

2020: Tim Pawlenty/Dino Rossi

40. Gerald Ford-After losing the 1976 election, the former President came back swinging, defeating his old rival, California Governor Reagan, and former Ambassador George Bush in the 1980 primaries. Defeating President Carter in a landslide, President Ford became the first American President since Grover Cleveland to serve two terms. Surviving a 3rd assassination attempt by John Hinkley only months into his term, President Ford presided over the economic recovery, and the passage of the Equal Rights Amendment. He was ineligible to serve another term after 1980, and passed the torch to VP Connally.

41. John Connally-VP John Connally crushed a primary challenge from John Anderson, and later, Colorado Senator Gary Hart in a landslide in the 1984 election. The US enjoyed economic growth under his term, and several deregulation bills as well as tax cuts were passed. In 1986, the US invaded Dominica after a Communist government was formed, and after winning reelection in 1988, the US again launched military action, this time, against Panama, before a final operation against Saddam Hussein's Iraq in 1991. VP Dole went on to lose a narrow election in 1992, which was considered a referendum on Connallys aggressive foreign policy.

42. Richard Gephardt-Congressman Gephardt beat out Governor Mike Dukakis, Representative Jesse Jackson, and Senator Lloyd Bentsen, and Senator Al Gore for the 1992 Democratic nomination. Picking Senator Chris Dodd of Connecticut, Congressman Gephardt won a narrow victory over VP Dole and Governor Lamar Alexander of Tennessee, as well as the third party campaign of Ross Perot, and James Stockdale. The Gephardt Presidency would be marked by a series of pro Labor legislation, anti hate crime legislation, as well as failed attempts at gun controll and universal healthcare. President Gephardt was narrowly reelected over Governor Alexander in 1996, and in 1997, deployed troops in Zaire, as well as Kosovo and Bosnia, where genocides had broken out.

43. Frank Keating-Oklahoma Governor Frank Keating easily won the 2000 primaries, with minimal opposition from Congressman Ron Paul, former Second Lady Elizabeth Dole, former Education Secretary Gary Bauer, and Governor Gary Johnson. After defeating Governor Bill Clinton and Congresswoman Hillary Rodham in the 2000 election, and taking office, America was hit by tragedy, when Islamic terrorist hijacked American passenger planes, and crashed them into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, the Lincoln Memorial, and the Empire State Building. The military launched operations at Sudan, destroying Al Qaeada, killing its leader, Osama Bin Laden, and dividing Sudan into the Republic of the Nile (South) and the Republic of Sudan (North). An insurgency broke out, and caused President Keating to lose reelection to Russ Feingold.

44. Russ Feingold-Wisconsin Senator Russ Feingold was the odds on favorite to win the 2004 Democratic primaries, defeating now Senator Hillary Rodham, Governor John Kerry, Congressman Howard Dean, and Mayor Rudy Giuliani in the primaries, and President Keating that November in the general. President Feingold implemented a successfully withdrawl from Sudan in 2006, but in 2007, the housing bubble popped, and the economy plummeted. As the US entered into a major recession, President Feingolds popularity plumeted, and he lost reelection to former Second Lady, and Senator Elizabeth Dole.

45. Elizabeth Dole-Senator Dole defeated Senator Jon Kyl, Senator Rick Santorum, and former Governor Jeb Bush in a divided primary. Winning a comfortable victory over President Feingold, President Dole oversaw the greatest economic recovery since Ford, with unemployment down to 6% by 2012, which resulted in her landslide victory over former Governor Charlie Crist. Throughout her second term, the US stayed rather uninvolved in foreign affairs, other then the US bombing Saddam Hussein once again after he crushed a rebellion against his regime.

46. VP Tim Pawlenty won the GOP nomination with minimal opposition in 2016, defeating a aged (and long since forgotten) Al Gore in a landslide victory. During Pawlentys term, the US remained uninvolved in foreign affairs, though the economy began to slow down. In 2020, after a rather boring term, Pawlenty was defeated by Montana Senator Brian Schweitzer, and Congresswoman Tammy Baldwin in the 2020 election.

47. Brian Schweitzer becomes President on the 40th anniversary of Gerald Fords comeback. Where America goes under his direction, is yet to be known....
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An alternate outcome to my American Nightmare timeline (Spoiler).




Presidents of the United States


44 –  Barack H. Obama -  January 20, 2009 – November 11, 2011
45 – Joseph R. Biden – November 11, 2011

46 – John A. Boehner** – November 11, 2011 – June 2nd, 2012
47 – Colin L. Powell – June 3rd, 2012 – January 20, 2013

48 - Willard "Mitt" Romney - January 20, 2013 - January 20, 2017
49 - Kirsten E. Gillibrand - January 20, 2017 - January 20, 2021
50 - Christopher Christie - January 20, 2021 - January 20, 2025
51 - Corey Booker - January 20, 2025 - January 20, 2033
52 - Marco Rubio - January 20, 2033 - January 20, 2041
53 - Malia A. Obama - January 20, 2041 - January 20, 2049

Notes:

44 through 47 - Read timeline
48 - Defeats Al Gore for the Presidency in the House of Representatives despite coming in third in the popular vote and first in the Electoral College. Mitt Romney is sworn in with an approval rating of 40%, the lowest ever recorded. *This is the alternate outcome*
49 - Unable to get his Presidency off the ground, Mitt Romney is defeated by Senator Gillibrand of New York in 2016.
50 - Popular President Gillibrand is narrowly defeated by Governor Chris Christie of New Jersey. While the American electorate likes Christie, it is not enough to save him from being defeated by Corey Booker in 2024 as a recession and gas shortage looms.
51 - Back to Back New Jersey President's.  President Booker is the first President elected to a second term since 2004.
52 - Marco Rubio becomes President a bit later than in the actual timeline --and manages to hold onto it through a close reelection battle.
53 - See timeline.



Vice Presidents of the United States

47 – Joseph R. Biden – January 20, 2009 – November 11, 2011
Vacant – November 11, 2011 – Present
48 – Samuel A. Nunn, Jr – June 18, 2012 – January 20, 2013
49 - Thomas Coburn - January 20, 2013 - January 20, 2017
50 - Chet Edwards - January 20, 2017 - January 20, 2021
51 - Susana Martinez - January 20, 2021 - January 20, 2025
52 - Tim Ryan - January 20, 2025 - January 20, 2033
53 - Scott Brown - January 20, 2033 - January 8, 2034
54 - Justin Amash - March 3, 2034 - January 20, 2041
55 - Katrina Schweitzer - January 20, 2041 - January 20, 2049

Losing Tickets:


2008 – John McCain/Sarah Palin
2012 – Former Vice President Al Gore/Senator Jim Webb, Mayor Michael Bloomberg/Gov. Jon Huntsman, Donald Trump/Adm. Joseph Pruehler
2016 - President Mitt Romney/Vice President Thomas Coburn
2020 - President Kirsten Gillibrand/Vice President Chet Edwards
2024 - President Chris Christie/Vice President Susana Martinez
2028 - Former President Chris Christie/Nikki Haley
2032 - Vice President Tim Ryan/Governor Kamala Harris
2036 - Senator Martin Heinrich/Senator Dan Boren
2040 - Vice President Justin Amash/Senator Jaime Herrera Beutler
2044 - Governor Jeffrey Powell/Senator Avrie Reynolds
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Where Timelines Meet:
Richard M. Nixon (R-CA)/Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. (R-MA) 1961-1965

John F. Kennedy (D-MA)/Terry Sanford (D-NC) 1965-1973
Spiro Agnew (R-MD)/George H.W. Bush (R-TX) 1973-1974
George H.W. Bush (R-TX)/Gerald R. Ford (R-MI) 1974-1977

Robert F. Kennedy (D-NY)/George McGovern (D-SD) 1977-1981
John B. Anderson (I-IL)/Gerald R. Ford (I-MI) 1981-1985
Paul D. Laxalt (R-NV)/Jack F. Kemp (R-NY) 1985-1993
Paul Tsongas (D-MA)/Joe Biden (D-DE) 1993-1997
Joe Biden (D-DE)/Bob Kerrey (D-NE) 1997-

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Where Timelines Meet:
Richard M. Nixon (R-CA)/Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. (R-MA) 1961-1965

John F. Kennedy (D-MA)/Terry Sanford (D-NC) 1965-1973
Spiro Agnew (R-MD)/George H.W. Bush (R-TX) 1973-1974
George H.W. Bush (R-TX)/Gerald R. Ford (R-MI) 1974-1977

Robert F. Kennedy (D-NY)/George McGovern (D-SD) 1977-1981
John B. Anderson (I-IL)/Gerald R. Ford (I-MI) 1981-1985
Paul D. Laxalt (R-NV)/Jack F. Kemp (R-NY) 1985-1993
Paul Tsongas (D-MA)/Joe Biden (D-DE) 1993-1997
Joe Biden (D-DE)/Bob Kerrey (D-NE) 1997-

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Thanks. Smiley Maybe I should just combine the two to save time. Though I think feeblepizza deserves at least partial credit for 1981-on.
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Hi, first post.  This is from a TL I have in the works elsewhere.  The PoD is US non-entry into WWI, but with an Entente victory nonetheless.  Yes, I know I used the election dates, and not the swearing in.

1920-1928:  Frank Orren Lowden (Republican) - 29
1928-1932:  James A. Reed (Democrat) - 30
1932-1936:  James J. Blaine (Republican) - 31
1936-1948:  Henry Skillman Breckinridge (Democrat) - 32*
1948-1956:  Thomas E. Dewey (Republican) - 33
1956-1960:  William Fechteler (Republican) - 34
1960-1968:  Lyndon B. Johnson (Democrat) - 35
1968-1972:  Nelson Rockefeller (Republican) - 36
1972-1973:  George Wallace (Democrat) - 37**
1973-1976:  Eugene McCarthy (Democrat) - 38
1976-1984:  Ronald Reagan (Republican) - 39
1984-1992:  Jesse Jackson (Democrat) - 40
1992-2000:  Pat Buchanan  (Republican) - 41
2000-2004:  Steve Forbes (Republican) - 42
2004-2012:  John Edwards (Peace) - 43***

*President during the alternate version of WWII, similar in size only.
**Assassinated by a random nutjob
***2000 saw the breakdown of the two party system, culminating with the 2004 election being thrown to the house, followed by reform.  The Peace Party has a platform of ending the "Cold War" (definitely not our cold war)
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