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« Reply #1025 on: January 12, 2012, 11:34:59 pm »
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Same presidential terms, except I get to choose amongst the candidates placed in nomination for President or Vice President at the conventions by the winning parties, then retain them in consecutive elections that party won.

1. George Washington (Independent Federalist) 1789-1797
2. John Adams (Federalist) 1797-1801

3. Thomas Jefferson (Democratic-Republican) 1801-1809
4. George Clinton (Democratic-Republican) 1809-1817
5. William H. Crawford (Democratic-Republican) 1817-1825

6. John Quincy Adams (National Republican) 1825-1829
7. Andrew Jackson (Democratic) 1829-1837
8. Martin Van Buren (Democratic) 1837-1841

9. William Henry Harrison (Whig) 1841
10. John Tyler (Independent Democrat) 1841-1845
11. Martin Van Buren (Democratic) 1845-1849
12. John McLean (Whig) 1849-1850
13. Andrew Stewart (Whig) 1850-1853

14. Franklin Pierce (Democratic) 1853-1861
15. Cassius M. Clay (Republican) 1861-1865
16. Andrew Johnson (Independent Democrat) 1865-1869
17. Ulysses S. Grant (Republican) 1869-1877
18. Rutherford B. Hayes (Republican) 1877-1881
19. James G. Blaine (Republican) 1881
20. Chester Arthur (Republican) 1881-1885

21. Grover Cleveland (Democratic) 1885-1889
22. Walter Gresham (Republican) 1889-1893
23. Grover Cleveland (Democratic) 1893-1897
24. Thomas Reed (Republican) 1897-1901
25. Theodore Roosevelt (Republican) 1901-1909
26. Joseph Cannon (Republican) 1909-1913

27. Champ Clark (Democratic) 1913-1921
28. Warren Harding (Republican) 1921-1923
29. Calvin Coolidge (Republican) 1923-1933

30. John Nance Garner (Democratic) 1933-1945
31. David Walsh (Democratic) 1945-1953

32. Douglas MacArthur (Republican) 1953-1961
33. George Smathers (Democratic) 1961-1963
34. Lyndon Johnson (Democratic) 1963-1969

35. George Romney (Republican) 1969-1973
36. Pete McCloskey (Republican) 1973-1974
37. Gerald Ford (Republican) 1974-1977

38. Jerry Brown (Democratic) 1977-1981
38. Ronald Reagan (Republican) 1981-1989
39. George H.W. Bush (Republican) 1989-1993

40. Jerry Brown (Democratic) 1993-2001
41. Alan Keyes (Republican) 2001-2009
42. Barack Obama (Democratic) 2009-present
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« Reply #1026 on: January 13, 2012, 12:35:42 pm »
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Hughes succeeds T.R. in 1908

25. William McKinley (Republican): 1897-1901*
26. Theodore Roosevelt (Republican): 1901-1909
27. Charles Evans Hughes (Republican): 1909-1917

28. Woodrow Wilson (Democratic): 1917-1923**
29. Thomas R. Marshall (Democratic): 1923-1929
30. Franklin D. Roosevelt (Democratic): 1929-1933

31. Herbert Hoover (Republican): 1933-1941
32. Wendell Willkie (Democratic): 1941-1943**
33. Harry S. Truman (Democratic): 1943-1945

34. Thomas E. Dewey (Republican): 1945-1953
35. Adlai Stevenson (Democratic): 1953-1961
36. Richard M. Nixon (Republican): 1961-1963*
37. Nelson A. Rockefeller (Republican): 1963-1969

38. Robert F. Kennedy (Democratic): 1969-1977
39. Gerald R. Ford (Republican): 1977-1981
40. Ronald W. Reagan (Democratic): 1981-1989
41. Lloyd Bentsen (Democratic): 1989-1993

42. Paul Tsongas (Republican): 1993-1997**
43. Dick Gephardt (Socialist-Farmer-Labor): 1997-2001***
44. John McCain (Democratic): 2001-2009
45. Hillary Rodham (Republican): 2009-2017
46. Marco Rubio (Democratic): 2017-2025
47. Rand Paul (Independent Democrat): 2025-2033****
48. Kirsten Gilibrand (Republican): 2033-

*Assassinated.
**Died in office of natural causes or stress.
***Gephardt was elected Vice President by the Senate following the chaotic 1996 Presidential election which saw no candidate from the Republican, Democratic, Socialist, or Independence parties win a majority of the electoral vote. With the death of President Tsongas shortly before his inauguration to a second term, Vice President-elect Gephardt became the first (and thus far, only) socialist ever to hold the position of President of the United States.
****Merger of the Democratic and Independence parties into the Independent Democrats.

Defeated Tickets, 1896-present
1896: William Jennings Bryan (D / Populist)
1900: William Jennings Bryan (D), John G. Woolley (Prohibition)
1904: Alton B. Parker (D), Eugene V. Debs (Socialist), Silas C. Swallow (P)
1908: William Jennings Bryan (D), Eugene V. Debs (S), Eugene W. Chafin (P)
1912: Woodrow Wilson (D), Eugene V. Debs (S), Eugene W. Chafin (P)
1916: John W. Weeks (R), Allan L. Benson (S), Frank Hanly (P)
1920: Leonard Wood (R), Eugene V. Debs (S), Parley P. Christiansen (Farmer-Labor)
1924: Robert M. La Follette (R)
1928: Frank Lowden (R)
1932: Franklin Roosevelt (D), Norman Thomas (Socialist Farmer-Labor)
1936: Al Smith (D), William Lemke (SFL)
1940: Thomas Dewey (R), Henry A. Wallace (SFL)
1944: Harry S. Truman (D), Norman Thomas (SFL)
1948: Harry S. Truman (D), Henry A. Wallace (SFL)
1952: Robert Taft (R), Darlington Hoopes (SFL)
1956: Harold Stassen (R), Darlington Hoopes (SFL)
1960: John F. Kennedy (D), Hubert H. Humphrey (SFL)
1964: Barry M. Goldwater (D)
1968: George W. Romney (R), Eugene McCarthy (SFL)
1972: George McGovern (R)
1976: Jimmy Carter (D), Eugene McCarthy (SFL)
1980: Gerald Ford (R), John Anderson (Independence), David McReynolds (SFL)
1984: Walter Mondale (R)
1988: Michael Dukakis (R), Ron Paul (I), Jesse Jackson (SFL)
1992: Lloyd Bentsen (D), Ross Perot (I), Tom Harkin (SFL)
1996: Bill Clinton (D), Ross Perot (I), Bob Casey (SFL)
2000: Bill Bradley (R), Pat Buchanan (I), Paul Wellstone (SFL), Ralph Nader (Green)
2004: John Kerry (R), Ralph Nader (G)
2008: John Edwards (D), Ron Paul (I), Bernie Sanders (SFL), Ralph Nader (G)
2012: Newt Gingrich (D), Ron Paul (I), Bernie Sanders (Green-Socialist-Farmer-Labor)
2016: Jon Huntsman (R), Rand Paul (I), Sherrod Brown (GSFL)
2020: Jon Huntsman (R), Rand Paul (I),
Sherrod Brown (GSFL)
2024: Kirsten Gillibrand (R), Bruce Braley (GSFL)
2028: Debbie Wasserman-Schultz (R), Bruce Braley (GSFL)
2032: Justin Amash (Independent Democrat), Anthony Weiner (GSFL)
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« Reply #1027 on: January 18, 2012, 12:23:09 am »
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Presidents of the United States

35 - Richard M. Nixon: 1961 - 1965 VP - Henry Cabot Lodge
36 - Lyndon B. Johnson: 1965 - 1971 VP - George McGovern
37 - George McGovern: 1971 - 1973 VP - Stuart Symington

38 - Spiro Agnew: 1973 -  1975 VP: Nelson Rockefeller
39 - Nelson Rockefeller: 1975 - 1977 VP - Ronald Reagan   

40 - John F. Kennedy 1977 - 1985 VP: James Carter
41 - James E. Carter - 1985 - 1989 VP - Gary Hart

42 - Howard Baker - 1989 - 1997 VP -  John S. McCain
43 - Mario Cuomo - 1997 - 2005 VP - Edward M. Kennedy
44 - Elizabeth Dole - 2005 - 2013 VP - Tommy Thompson
45 - Andrew Cuomo - 2013 - 2021 VP - Debbie Wasserman-Schultz 


Defeated Tickets

1960 - JFK/LBJ
1964 - Nixon/Lodge
1968 - Lodge/Goldwater
1972 - McGovern/Symington
1976 - Rockefeller/Reagan
1980 - Reagan/Ford
1984 - Ford/Dole
1988 - Carter/Hart
1992 - RFK/William J. Clinton
1996 - McCain/George H.W Bush
2000 - Forbes/Keyes
2004 - William J. Clinton/Howard Dean
2008 - Hillary Rodham/Bill Nelson
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« Reply #1028 on: January 18, 2012, 06:50:50 am »
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Russian List from "Bull Moose" TL:
Boris Yeltsin (July 10, 1991 - December 31, 1999)
Vladimir Putin (December 31, 1999 - May 7, 2008)
Dmitry Medvedev (May 7, 2008 - December 27, 2011)*
Sergei Mironov (December 27, 2011 - April 17, 2012)**
Mikhail Prokhorov (April 17, 2012 - )***

Black - Unaffilated
Blue - ER (United Russia)
Red - RSDRP - (Russian Workers' Social Democratic)
Green - RNDS (Russian People's Democratic Union)
* - Removed with all cabinet by Duma after protests related to 2011 election fraud
** - Succeeded Medvedev as Duma Speaker
*** - defeated Mironov in run-off
Prime Ministers
Vladimir Putin (May 8, 2008 - December 27, 2011)
Igor Shuvalov (December 27, 2011 - January 10, 2012)
Gennady Semigin (January 10, 2012 - April 24, 2012)
Alexey Kudrin (April 24, 2012 - )
Yellow - Patriot
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« Reply #1029 on: January 18, 2012, 07:08:33 am »
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Duma Speakers
Sergei Naryshkin (December 21, 2011 - December 27, 2011)
Sergei Mironov (December 27, 2011)
Ivan Melnikov (December 27, 2011 - )
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« Reply #1030 on: January 18, 2012, 06:55:19 pm »
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43. John McCain: 2001-2005 *
44. Hillary Clinton: 2005-2009 *
45. Mitch Daniels: 2009-2013 **
46. Tim Pawlenty: 2013-2021
47. Andrew Cuomo: 2021-2029

* Defeated for Reelection
** Served only one term
2000: McCain defeats Gore easily. 50.9%-48.6%
2004: Clinton defeats McCain in an upset. 49.5%-48.4%
2008: Daniels defeats Clinton as the economy crumbles. 53.0%-45.9%
2012: Pawlenty succeeds Daniels as he decides against running for reelection. With a recovering economy and popular president VP Pawlenty beats Sen. Barack Obama. 55.9%-44.3%
2016: Pawlenty defeats Brian Schweitzer in a landslide. 58.9%-40.0%
2020: Andrew Cuomo defeats Vice President Sarah Palin, despite a booming economy. 51.1%-47.9%
2024: Cuomo wins reelection against Sen. Paul Ryan. 53.2%-45.9%
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« Reply #1031 on: January 18, 2012, 09:05:56 pm »
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1913-1921: Theodore Roosevelt / Warren G. Harding (R) (Taft promised chief justice)
1921-1925: Alton B. Parker / John W. Davis * Declined Second Term
1925-1933: Winston Churchill / Calvin Coolidge (R)
1933-1941: Calvin Coolidge / Douglas MacArthur (R)
1941-1949: Winston Churchill / Thomas E. Dewey (R)
1949-1957: Joseph P. Kennedy, Sr. / Wendell Willkie (D)
1957-1961: Robert Taft / Theodore Roosevelt III (R)
1961-1965: John F. Kennedy / Terry Sanford (R)
1965-1977: Barry M. Goldwater / James L. Buckley (R)
1977-1981: Robert F. Kennedy / James E. Carter (D)
1981-1989: Mark O. Hatfield / Jack F. Kemp (R)
1989-1997: Jack F. Kemp / Maureen Reagan (R)
1997-2001: Ann Richards / Bill Clinton (D)
2001-present: Elvis Presley / John Engler (R)
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30. Calvin Coolidge: August 2, 1923 - January 5, 1933
31. Charles Dawes: January 5, 1933 - March 4, 1933
32. Franklin Roosevelt: March 4, 1933 - April 12, 1945
33. Harry Truman: April 12, 1945 - January 20, 1949
34. Robert Taft: January 20, 1949 - July 31, 1953
35. Richard Nixon: July 31, 1953 - January 20, 1961
36. Lyndon Johnson: January 20, 1961 - January 20, 1969
37. John F. Kennedy: January 20, 1969 - April 19, 1971
38. Hubert Humphrey: April 19, 1971 - January 20, 1973
39. Ronald Reagan: January 20, 1973 - January 20, 1981
40. Phil Crane: January 20, 1981 - January 20, 1989
41. Jack Kemp: January 20, 1989 - January 20, 1993
42.  Edward Kennedy: January 20, 1993 - January 20, 1997
43. Colin Powell: January 20, 1997 - January 20, 2001
44. Newt Gingrich: January 20, 2001 - January 20, 2009
45. Hillary Rodham Clinton: January 20, 2009 - present


1928: Pres. Calvin Coolidge/Charles Dawes vs. Gov. Al Smith/Joseph Taylor Robinson

R: 481
D:  50

1932: Sec. Herbert Hoover/Charles Curtis vs. Gov. Franklin Roosevelt/John Nance Garner

D: 483
R:   48

1936: Pres. Franklin Roosevelt/John N. Garner vs. Gov. Alf Landon/Frank Knox

D: 531
R:    0

1940: Pres. Franklin Roosevelt/Henry Wallace vs. Gov. Wendell Wilkie/Arthur Vandenberg

D: 463
R:  68

1944: Pres. Franklin Roosevelt/Harry Truman vs. Gov. Thomas Dewey/Robert Taft

D: 424
R: 106

1948: Pres. Harry Truman/Alben Barkley vs. Sen. Robert Taft/Richard Nixon

R: 279
D: 252

1952: Pres. Robert Taft/Richard Nixon vs. Adlai Stevenson/Johnsparkman

R: 456
D:  75

1956: Pres. Richard Nixon/Henry Cabot Lodge, Jr. vs. Adlai Stevenson/John F. Kennedy

R: 496
D:  35

1960: Vice Pres. Henry Cabot Lodge, Jr./Barry Goldwater vs. Sen. Lyndon Johnson/John F. Kennedy

D: 299
R: 238

1964: Pres. Lyndon Johnson/John F. Kennedy vs. Sen. Barry Goldwater/Nelson Rockefeller

D: 377
R: 161

1968: Vice Pres. John F. Kennedy/Hubert Humphrey vs. Gov. George Romney/Spiro Agnew vs. George Wallace/Curtis LeMay

D: 270
R: 224
I:   45

1972: Pres. Hubert Humphrey/Edmund Muskie vs. Gov. Ronald Reagan/Phil Crane

R: 485
D:  53

1976: Pres. Ronald Reagan/Phil Crane vs. Gov. Jimmy Carter/Walter Mondale

R: 489
D:  49


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1980: Vice Pres. Phil Crane/Bob Dole vs. Sen. Walter Mondale/Gary Hart

R: 477
D:  61

1984: Pres. Phil Crane/Bob Dole vs. Sen. Gary Hart/Lloyd Bentsen

R: 483
D: 100

1988: Rep. Jack Kemp/Pete DuPont vs. Sen. Al Gore/Bill Bradley

R: 355
D: 183

1992: Pres. Jack Kemp/Pete DuPont vs. Sen. Edward Kennedy/Bill Clinton vs. Ross Perot/James Stockdale

D: 388
R: 189
I:   11

1996: Pres. Edward Kennedy/Bill Clinton vs. Colin Powell/Lamar Alexander

R: 285
D: 253

2000: Speaker of House Newt Gingrich/John McCain vs. Sen. John Kerry/Howard Dean

R: 274
D: 264

2004: Pres. Newt Gingrich/John McCain vs. Gov. Bill Richardson/John Edwards

R: 345
D: 193

2008: Vice Pres. John McCain/Mike Huckabee vs. Gov. Hillary Clinton/Barack Obama

D: 335
R: 203
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« Reply #1034 on: January 21, 2012, 12:19:27 pm »
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1993-2001 S Mario Cuomo/P Bob Kerrey
2001-2009 T McCain/cc Colin Powell
2009-current S Obama/P M. Warner
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« Reply #1035 on: January 23, 2012, 06:28:10 pm »
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One Term Ike

On the eve of the Republican National Convention in 1956, President Eisenhower announced that he would not seek reelection for health reasons. In a secret deal, Harold Stassen promised to appoint Vice President Richard Nixon as Secretary of Defense.

34. Dwight D. Eisenhower (R-PA): 1953-1957
35. Harold Stassen (R-MN): 1957-1961

36. John F. Kennedy (D-MA): 1961-1965
37. Richard M. Nixon (R-CA): 1965-1973
38. Cecil Underwood (R-WV): 1973-1977

39. Robert F. Kennedy (D-NY): 1977-1985
40. George H.W. Bush (R-TX): 1985-1993
41. Charles Robb (D-VA): 1993-1997
42. James Thompson (R-IL): 1997-2001
43. Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. (D-NY): 2001-2009
44. Willard M. Romney (R-MA): 2009-Present

Notes:
36. First Roman Catholic President

39. Governor of New York 1967-1971, US Senate 1971-1977

40. US Senate 1965-1974, Secretary of State 1974-1977, Governor of Texas 1979-1983

41. Defeated for re-election due to reports on his infidelity

42. Governor of Illinois 1977-1985, US Senate 1985-1997. Did not seek re-election in 2000 to spend more time with his family

43. US House of Representatives 1987-1991, Governor of New York 1991-2001

44. First Mormon President of the United States. Governor of Massachusetts 1995-2003, Ambassador to Mexico 2003-2005, Ambassador to UN 2005-2007


Vice Presidents
36. Richard M. Nixon (R-CA): 1953-1957
37. Carl Curtis (R-NE): 1957-1961

38. Stuart Symington (D-MO): 1961-1965
39. Cecil Underwood (R-WV): 1965-1973
40. Charles Percy (R-IL): 1973-1977

41. Ernest Hollings (D-SC): 1977-1985
42. Robert Packwood (R-OR): 1985-1993
43. Robert Casey Sr. (D-PA): 1993-1997
44. David Dreier (R-CA): 1997-2001
45. Max Cleland (D-GA): 2001-2009
46. Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-TX): 2009-Present

Notes:
40. Governor of Illinois 1965-1973

41. Governor of South Carolina 1959-1963, US Senate 1966-1977. Democratic nominee for President 1984 (lost)

42. US Senate 1974-1985. Republican nominee for President in 1992, he led in the polls a month before the election but allegations of sexual harassment during his Vice Presidency resulted in losing the election to Robb.

43. First Roman Catholic Vice President. Did not seek reelection in 1996 due to cancer

44. With President Thompson deciding not to seek reelection, Vice President Dreier became the favorite to win the GOP nomination. However, questions about his sexuality and the relationship with his Chief of Staff hurt him in the general election in the midst of a whisper campaign in southern states.

45. Governor of Georgia 1979-1987, US Senate 1987-1997. Democratic nominee for President 2008 (lost)

46. Governor of Texas 1991-1999, US Senate 2001-2009. First female and first Texas-born Vice President
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16. Abraham Lincoln: 1861-1873
17. Ulysses S. Grant: 1873-1877
18. James Garfield: 1877-1885
19. Grover Cleveland: 1885-1893
20. William McKinley: 1893-1901
21. William Jennings Bryan: 1901-1909
22. Theodore Roosevelt: 1909-1919
23. Charles Evan Hughes: 1919-1921
24. Warren Harding: 1921-1923
25. Calvin Coolidge: 1923-1929
26. Franklin Roosevelt: 1929-1941
27. Robert Taft: 1941-1949
28. Harry Truman: 1949-1957
29. Adlai Stevenson: 1957-1961
30. Richard Nixon: 1961-1965
31. John F. Kennedy: 1965-1973
32. Ronald Reagan: 1973-1985
33. George H.W. Bush: 1985-1993
34. Bob Dole: 1993-1997
35. Bill Clinton: 1997-2009
36. Mitt Romney: 2009 - Present
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« Reply #1037 on: January 24, 2012, 07:37:08 pm »
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Days of Infamy

32. Franklin Delano Roosevelt (D-NY)/John Nance Garner (D-TX), Henry A. Wallace (D-IA) March 4th, 1933-December 7th, 1941
33. Henry A. Wallace (D-IA)/vacant December 7th, 1941-January 20th, 1945

34. Douglas MacArthur (R-AR)/Thomas Dewey (R-NY) January 20th, 1945-January 20th, 1953
35. Thomas Dewey (R-NY)/Richard M. Nixon (R-CA) January 20th, 1953-January 20th, 1957

36. Estes Kefauver (D-TN)/John F. Kennedy (D-MA) January 20th, 1957-August 10th, 1959
37. John F. Kennedy (D-MA)/vacant, Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX) August 10th, 1959-January 20th, 1969

38. Nelson A. Rockefeller (R-NY)/Spiro T. Agnew (R-MD) January 20th, 1969-May 15th, 1972
39. Spiro T. Agnew (R-MD)/vacant, George W. Romney (R-MI) May 15th, 1972-October 10th, 1973
40. George W. Romney (R-MI)/vacant, Winthrop Rockefeller (R-AR) October 10th, 1973-January 20th, 1977

41. Frank F. Church III (D-ID)/George S. McGovern (D-SD) January 20th, 1977-May 5th, 1979
42. George S. McGovern (D-SD)/vacant, Edward M. "Ted" Kennedy (D-MA) May 5th, 1979-January 20th, 1981

43. John B. Connally (R-TX)/John B. Anderson (R-IL) January 20th, 1981-March 30th, 1981
44. John B. Anderson (R-IL)/vacant, George H.W. Bush March 30th, 1981-January 20th, 1985

43. Edward M. "Ted" Kennedy/Lloyd Bentsen (D-TX) January 20th, 1985-January 20th, 1989
44. Alexander Haig (R-PA)/Jack F. Kemp (R-NY) January 20th, 1989-January 20th, 1997
45. Jack F. Kemp (R-NY)/Donald Rumsfeld (R-IL) January 20th, 1997-January 20th, 2001

46. Joseph R. "Bob" Kerrey (D-NE)/John F. Kerry (D-MA) January 20th, 2001-January 20th, 2009
47. Hillary Rodham-Fitzgerald (R-IL)/John E. Bush (R-FL) January 20th, 2009-Present
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Chief Justices of the United States (Monroe beats Madison 88)

1. James Madison (1789-1837)
2. Robert Taney (1837-1864)
3. Stephen Johnson Field (1864-1898)
4. William Howard Taft (1898-1930)
5. Charles Evans Hughes (1930-1948)
6. William Knowland (1948-1987)
7. Antonin Scalia (1987-Present)
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A more polarized country from the start.  Yeah, I know, there's some weird things in here, but I'm too lazy to explain them all now (though there is a reason for each).  C stands for Conservative Party though.

1.  George Washington (F-VA) (1789-1797)
2.  John Adams (F-MA) (1797-1801)
3.   Aaron Burr  (DR-NY) (1801-1805)
4.  Thomas Jefferson (D-VA) (1805-1813)
5.  DeWitt Clinton (F-NY) (1813-1821)
6.  John Q. Adams (D-MA) (1821-1829)
7.  Henry Clay (F-KY) (1829-1837)
8.  Martin Van Buren (D-NY) (1837-1845)
9.  Theodore Frelinghuysen (F-NJ) (1845-1853)
10.  William Alexander Graham (F-NC) (1853-1857)
11.  John Fremont (R-CA) (1857-1861)
12.  Stephen Douglas (D-IL) (1861-1869)
13.  Horatio Seymour (D-NY) (1869-1877)
14.  James G. Blaine (F-ME) (1877-1881)
15.  Winfield Scott Hancock (D-PA) (1881-1884)
16. Thomas F. Bayard (D-DE) (1884-1889)
17.  Grover Cleveland (D-NY) (1889-1897)
18.  William Jennings Bryan (D-NE) (1897-1905)
19.  John W. Kern (D-IN) (1905-1913)
20.  William Howard Taft (C-OH) (1913-1925)
21.  Calvin Coolidge (C-MA) (1925-1933)
22.  Franklin D. Roosevelt (D-NY) (1933-1945)
23.  Harry S. Truman (D-MO) (1945-1953)
24. Robert Taft (C-OH) (1953-1961)
25.  Hubert Humphrey (D-MN) (1961-1969)
26.  Nelson Rockefeller (C-NY) (1969-1977)
27.  Spiro Agnew (C-MD)  (1977-1981)
28.  Jimmy Carter (D-GA) (1981-1985)
29.  George H. W. Bush (C-TX) (1985-1993)
30. Jerry Brown (D-CA) (1993-2001)
31.  Al Gore (D-TN) (2001-2009)
32.  John McCain (C-AZ) (2009-
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21. Chester Alan Arthur (R-NY) September 19th, 1881-March 4th, 1885
22. George Edmunds (R-VT) March 4th, 1885-March 4th, 1889

23. Thomas F. Bayard (D-DE) March 4th, 1889-March 4th, 1897
24. Joseph B. Foraker (R-OH) March4th, 1897-February 15th, 1898
25. Thedore Roosevelt (R-NY) February 15th, 1898-March 4th, 1905
26. Charles W. Fairbanks (R-IN) March 4th, 1905-March 4th, 1909
27. Theodore Rosevelt (R-NY) March 4th, 1909-March 4th, 1913

28. George Gary (D-DE) March 4th, 1913-March 4th, 1917
29. John W. Davis (D-WV) March 4th, 1917-March 4th, 1925

30. Robert LaFollette (R-WI) March 4th, 1925-June 18th, 1925
31. Franklin D. Roosevelt (R-NY) June 18th, 1925-March 4th, 1933

32. Thomas F. Bayard Jr. March 4th, 1933-March 4th, 1941
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« Reply #1041 on: February 08, 2012, 07:27:47 pm »
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32. Franklin D. Roosevelt: 1933-1949
33. Robert Taft: 1949-1953
34. Richard Nixon: 1953-1965
35. John F. Kennedy: 1965-1977
36. Ronald Reagan: 1977-1989
37. Jack Kemp: 1989-1993
38. Bill Clinton: 1993-2009
39. Mitt Romney: 2009-2017
40  Brian Schweitzer: 2017-2029.
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« Reply #1042 on: February 08, 2012, 07:50:37 pm »
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32. Franklin D. Roosevelt: 1933-1949
33. Robert Taft: 1949-1953
34. Richard Nixon: 1953-1965
35. John F. Kennedy: 1965-1977
36. Ronald Reagan: 1977-1989
37. Jack Kemp: 1989-1993
38. Bill Clinton: 1993-2009
39. Mitt Romney: 2009-2017
40  Brian Schweitzer: 2017-2029.
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42. Marco Rubio: 2033-2045
43. Paul Ryan: 2045-


Interesting. Very interesting. That is really one of the great "What ifs", because once Roosevelt had broken that taboo, I could have seen guys like Eisenhower or Clinton choosing to seek more than two terms.

Any reason FDR got to live till the end of his fourth term in this version?
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32. Franklin D. Roosevelt: 1933-1949
33. Robert Taft: 1949-1953
34. Richard Nixon: 1953-1965
35. John F. Kennedy: 1965-1977
36. Ronald Reagan: 1977-1989
37. Jack Kemp: 1989-1993
38. Bill Clinton: 1993-2009
39. Mitt Romney: 2009-2017
40  Brian Schweitzer: 2017-2029.
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Interesting. Very interesting. That is really one of the great "What ifs", because once Roosevelt had broken that taboo, I could have seen guys like Eisenhower or Clinton choosing to seek more than two terms.

Any reason FDR got to live till the end of his fourth term in this version?

Agreed. Just thought it'd be interesting to see him live through WWII and beyond.
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13. Millard Fillmore: 1857-1865 (American, then Republican)
14. Abraham Lincoln: 1865-1877 (R)
15. Samuel Tilden: 1877-1884 (D) [1]
16. Grover Cleveland: 1884-1893 (D)
17. William McKinley: 1893-1901 (R)
18. Theodore Roosevelt: 1901-1917 (R)
19. Champ Clark: 1917-1921 (D)
20. Calvin Coolidge: 1921-1933 (R)
21. Al Smith: 1933-1941 (D)
22. John Garner: 1941-1945 (D)
23. Douglas MacArthur: 1945-1957 (R)
24. Joseph P. Kennedy, Jr: 1957-1965 (D)
25. Barry M. Goldwater: 1965-1981 (R)
26. Robert F. Kennedy: 1981-1985 (D)
27. Jack F. Kemp: 1985-1993 (R)
28. Lloyd Bensen: 1993-1997 (D)
29. Al D'Amato: 1997-2005 (R)
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1. John Adams (Massachusetts) April 30th, 1789-March 4th, 1797
2. Thomas Jefferson (Republican-Virginia) March 4th, 1797-March 4th, 1805
3. Alexander Hamilton (National-New York) March 4th, 1805-March 4th, 1813
4. James Monroe (Republican-Virginia) March 4th, 1813-March 4th, 1821
5. John Quincy Adams (National-Massachusetts) March 4th, 1821-March 4th, 1829
6. Andrew Jackson (Republican-Tennessee) March 4th, 1829-January 10th, 1835
7. Martin Van Buren (Republican-New York) January 10th, 1835-March 4th, 1837

8. Henry Clay (National-Kentucky) March 4th, 1837-March 4th, 1845
9. William R. King (Republican-Alabama) March 4th, 1845-March 4th, 1849
10. Martin Van Buren (Liberty-New York) March 4th, 1849-July 24th, 1854
11. Abraham Lincoln (National Union-Illinois) July 24th, 1854-March 4th, 1857
12. Jonathan P. Hale (Liberty-New Hampshire) March 4th, 1857-March 4th, 1861
13. Abraham Lincoln (Whig-Illinois) March 4th, 1861-March 4th, 1869
14. William T. Sherman (Liberty-Ohio) March 4th, 1869-March 4th, 1877
15. Samuel J. Tilden (Liberty-New York) March 4th, 1877-March 4th, 1881

16. John C. Black (Whig-Illinois) March 4th, 1881-September 19th, 1881
17. James B. Weaver (Whig-Iowa) September 19th, 1881-March 4th, 1885

18. Thomas F. Bayard (Liberty-Delaware) March 4th, 1885-March 4th, 1893
19. Thomas P. Watson (Whig-Georgia) March 4th, 1893-March 4th, 1897
20. Thomas Bracket Reed (Liberty-Maine) March 4th, 1897-March 4th, 1901
21. Thomas P. Watson (Whig-Georgia) March 4th, 1901-September 14th, 1901
22. William Jennings Bryan (Whig-Nebraska) September 14th, 1901-March 4th, 1909

23. Henry Cabot Lodge (Liberty-Massachusetts) March 4th, 1909-June 16th, 1912
24. Theodore Roosevelt (Liberty-Dakota) June 16th, 1912-March 4th, 1921
25. Leonard Wood (Liberty-New Hampshire) March 4th, 1921-March 4th, 1925

26. Joseph T. Robinson (Whig-Arkansas) March 4th, 1925-February 15th, 1933
27. Hiram W. Johnson (Whig-California) February 15th, 1933-March 4th, 1933

28. David I. Walsh (Liberty-Massachusetts) March 4th, 1933-March 4th, 1941
29. Arthur H. Vandenberg (Liberty-Michigan) January 4th, 1941-December 7th, 1941
30. Franklin D. Roosevelt (Liberty-New York) December 7th, 1941-January 4th, 1945

31. Henry A. Wallace (Whig-Iowa) January 4th, 1945-November 1st, 1950
32. Richard B. Russell (Whig-Georgia) November 1st, 1950-January 4th, 1953

33. Frank J. Lausche (Liberty-Ohio) January 4th, 1953-January 4th, 1961
34. Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. (Liberty-New York) January 4th, 1961-January 4th, 1965

35. Hubert H. Humphrey (Whig-Minnesota) January 4th, 1965-January 4th, 1973
36. Richard M. Nixon (Liberty-California) January 4th, 1973-February 22nd, 1974
37. Robert F. Kennedy (Liberty-New York) February 22nd, 1974-January 4th, 1985

38. Robert D. Ray (Whig-Iowa) January 4th, 1985-January 4th, 1993
39. Robert S. Dole (Liberty-Kansas) January 4th, 1993-January 4th, 2001
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Lyndon Johnson (1963-1973)
Richard Nixon (1973-1981)
Ronald Reagan (1981-1989)
John Glenn (1989-1997)
George H.W. Bush (1997-2005)
Evan Bayh (2005-2013)
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43. George W. Bush - January 20, 2001 - January 20, 2005
44. Russ Feingold - January 20, 2005 - January 20, 2013
45. Willard "Mitt" Romney - January 20, 2013 - January 20, 2017
46. Barack H. Obama - January 20, 2017 - January 20, 2025
47. Jon Huntsman - January 20, 2025 - January 20, 2033

43 - Loses reelection to Russ Feingold
44 - Ends the war in Iraq, refocuses the war on Afghanistan, significant campaign finance reform and progressive tax reform
45 - Defeats Feingold's Vice President Hillary Clinton
46 - Defeats Romney and later defeats Chris Christie
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That seems pretty reasonable for a sans Watergate scenario.

Even without Watergate, you'd still have stagflation to deal with. And without Jimmy Carter, I'm not sure you'd have had Paul Volcker at the Fed painfully wringing inflation out of the economy.
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41.George H.W. Bush: 1989 - 1993
42. William J. Clinton: 1993 - 1997
43. Richard B. Cheney 1997 - 2005
44. Hillary Rodham Clinton 2005 - 2013
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