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« Reply #1050 on: February 26, 2012, 01:12:54 am »
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An idea for a TL I'm thinking of doing, based on BeckReilly's unfinished project on ah.com:

William McKinley (R) (1897-1905)
Charles W. Fairbanks (R) (1905-1909) *
William Randolph Hearst (D) (1909-1913) [1]
Theodore Roosevelt (R) (1913-1921)
Alton B. Parker (D) (1921-1925)**
Charles Curtis (R) (1925-1933)
Al Smith (D) (1933-1941)
Jack Garner (D) (1941-1949)

Douglas MacArthur (R) (1949-1961)***
John F. Kennedy (D) (1961-1964) [2]
Barry M. Goldwater (D) (1964-1981) [3]
John B. Connally (D) (1981-1987) [4]

Gerald R. Ford (R) (1987-1989) - or Hatfield
Jesse Helms (D) (1989-1997)
Jack Kemp (D) (1997-2005)
Elizabeth Dole (D) (2005-2009)

Howard Dean (R) (2009-present)

[1] declared martial law and dissolved congress after electoral fraud in the 1912 election, prompting rebellion and the coup by Roosevelt
[2] Assassinated (or impeached)
[3] Broke two-term tradition to deal with World War III
[4] Assassinated
* Or Henry Cabot Lodge
** Or Hiram Johnson
*** Or Bobby Taft


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« Reply #1051 on: February 26, 2012, 01:14:12 am »
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I would be definitely interested in the Goldwater Presidency and WWIII

I'm going to start it soon, after my Godfather TL is done (it's a mini project I've been working on.)
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« Reply #1052 on: February 27, 2012, 08:43:14 pm »
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Ford, We Hardly Knew Ya

38. Gerald Ford (R-MA): 1974-1975
39. Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY): 1975-1980
40. Howard Baker (R-TN): 1980-1981

41. Henry "Scoop" Jackson (D-WA): 1981-1983
42. John Glenn (D-OH): 1983-1989

43. Charles Percy (R-IL): 1989-1997
44. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA): 1997-2005
45. Christopher "Kit" Bond (R-MO): 2005-2009
46. Albert Gore, Jr. (D-TN): 2009-Present

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38. Assassinated by Lynette “Squeaky” Fromme on September 5, 1975 in Sacramento, CA

39. Upon succeeding Ford in the White House, Rockefeller became the second person to have note been elected Vice President and President to move up to the Presidency. Stress of dealing with the Iran Hostage Crisis resulted in a fatal heart attack on April 20, 1980

40. Public sympathy over Rockefeller’s death resulted in President Baker winning the support of Rockefeller’s delegates and the Republican nomination over former California Governor Ronald Reagan. But after 12 years of Republican Presidents, Senator Jackson won a landslide over Baker and Vice President John Anderson.

41. The oldest President in history until Percy’s election in 1988, Jackson died of an aortic aneurysm on September 1, 1983 shortly after giving a news conference condemning the Soviet attack on Korean Airlines Flight 007.

43. Elected President in 1988 over Vice President Michael Dukakis (Governor of Massachusetts, 1975-1983)

44. First female and first Jewish President

45. Single term in office was marked by fellow Missourian Senator Roy Blunt’s ties to disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff and the October 2008 collapse of Bear Stearns and Citigroup

46. Vice President (1997-2005) and unsuccessful Democratic nominee for President in 2004, Gore won his rematch over Bond. Going into the 2012 elections, President Gore enjoys job approval ratings of 60 percent.
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« Reply #1053 on: February 28, 2012, 03:01:34 pm »
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33. Harry Truman: 1945-1953
34. Robert Taft: 1953-1953
35: Margaret Chase: 1953-1961
36: John F. Kennedy: 1961-1969
37. George Romney: 1969-1977
38. Robert Kennedy: 1977-1981
39. Ronald Reagan: 1981-1989
40. Jack Kemp: 1989-1997
41. Paul Wellstone: 1997-2005
42. Bill Clinton: 2005-2013
43. Susanna Martinez: 2013-Present

Defeated Tickets:
1948: Dewey/Warren
1952: Stevenson/Sparkman
1956: Harriman/Kennedy
1960: Nixon/Lodge
1964: Rockefeller/Goldwater
1968: Johnson/Humphrey
1972: Muskie/McGovern
1976: Bush/Dole
1980: Kennedy/Chisholm
1988: Dukakis/Clinton
1992: Bentsen/Ferraro
1996: Alexander/McCain
2000: McCain/Hagel
2004: Smith/Thompson
2008: Romney/Huckabee
2012: Dean/Kerry
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« Reply #1054 on: March 06, 2012, 11:50:26 pm »
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Reversed ticket elections from 1900 to 2008 with the results from our timeline. If a person's stand-in in real life won re-election he/she does so here as well. So Roosevelt is assassinated in 1901, McKinley is re-elected in 1904 over Henry G. Davis, and so on.

25. Theodore Roosevelt (Republican): 1901*
26. William McKinley (Republican): 1901-1909
27. James S. Sherman (Republican): 1909-1912*
28. William Howard Taft (Republican): 1912-1913

29. Thomas Marshall (Democrat): 1913-1921
30. Calvin Coolidge (Republican): 1921-1923*
31. Warren Harding (Republican): 1923-1929
32. Charles Curtis (Republican): 1929-1933

33. John Nance Garner (Democrat): 1933-1945*
34. Franklin Roosevelt (Democrat): 1945-1953

35. Richard Nixon (Republican): 1953-1961
36. Lyndon B. Johnson (Democrat): 1961-1963*
37. John F. Kennedy (Democrat): 1963-1969

38. Spiro Agnew (Republican): 1969-1973**
39. Richard Nixon (Republican): 1973-1977

40. Walter Mondale (Democrat): 1977-1981
41. George Bush (Republican): 1981-1989
42. Dan Quayle (Republican): 1989-1993

43. Al Gore (Democrat): 1993-2001
44. Dick Cheney (Republican): 2001-2009
45. Joe Biden (Democrat): 2009-

*Died in office or assassinated
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« Reply #1055 on: March 07, 2012, 12:07:22 am »
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Sherman wasn't assassinated, he died from natural causes.
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« Reply #1056 on: March 07, 2012, 07:52:44 am »
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Roosevelt serves out his fourth term, 22nd Amendment is added in '52, and Taft does not pass away in '53.
32. Franklin D. Roosevelt: 1933-1949
33. Robert Taft: 1949-1957
34. Richard Nixon: 1957-1961
35. John F. Kennedy: 1961-1969
36. Barry Goldwater: 1969-1977
37. Bobby Kennedy: 1977-1981
38. Ronald Reagan: 1981-1989
39. Jack Kemp: 1989-1997
40. Bill Clinton: 1997-2005
41. Tom Daschle: 2005-2009
42. Mitt Romney: 2009-Present
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« Reply #1057 on: March 07, 2012, 08:05:58 am »
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Sherman wasn't assassinated, he died from natural causes.

Thank you! I fixed it.
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« Reply #1058 on: March 08, 2012, 09:05:09 am »
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From a Nelson Rockefeller TL I've been thinking about doing... I'm not really sure about anything past 1980 though.

1960-1968: Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY)/ Everett Dirksen (R-IL)
1968-1972: John F. Kennedy (D-MA)/ Eugene McCarthy (D-MN)
1972-1975: Ronald Reagan (R-CA)/ Bob Dole (R-KS)
1975-1976: Bob Dole (R-KS)/ Jack Kemp (R-NY)
1976-1984: Birch Bayh (D-IN)/ Russel B. Long (D-LA)
1984-1992: George H.W Bush (R-TX)/ Paul Laxalt (R-NV)
1992-1996: Paul Tsongas (D-MA)/ Bill Clinton (D-AR)
1996-2000: Ross Perot (RF-TX)/ Jerry Brown (RF-CA)
2000-2008: Bill Clinton (D-AR)/ Bob Graham (D-FL)
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« Reply #1059 on: March 08, 2012, 02:17:51 pm »
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Random idea.

Presidents of the United States

31. Charles Curtis - March 4, 1929 - March 4, 1933
32. John Nance Gardner - March 4, 1933 - January 20, 1941
33. Henry A. Wallace - January 20, 1941 - January 20, 1945
34 - Harry S. Truman - January 20, 1945 - April 12, 1945*
35 - Sam Rayburn - April 12, 1945 - January 20, 1953

36 - Richard Nixon - January 20, 1953
37 - Lyndon B. Johnson - January 20, 1961 - November 22, 1963*
38 - John W. McCormack - November 22, 1963 - January 20, 1969

39 - Spiro Agnew - January 20, 1969 - October 10, 1973*
40 - Carl Albert - October 10, 1973 - December 6, 1973*
41 - Gerald Ford - December 6, 1973 - August 9, 1974*
42 - Nelson Rockefeller - August 9, 1974 - January 20, 1977*

43 - Walter Mondale - January 20, 1977 - January 20, 1981
43 - George H.W Bush - January 20, 1981 - January 20, 1989
44 - Dan Quayle - January 20, 1989 - January 20, 1993

45 - Al Gore - January 20, 1993 - January 20, 2001
46 - Dick Cheney - January 20, 2001 - January 20, 2009
47 - Joe Biden - January 20, 2009 - Present


34 - Truman dies of a heart attack in office, Vice President Sam Rayburn takes the command
37 - Johnson is assassinated, Vice President McCormack takes the command
39 - Agnew resigns in office as does his Vice President, Speaker Carl Albert becomes President
41 - Congress appoints Ford as Vice President and Albert resigns
42 - Ford resigns after covering up files from the Agnew administration, Vice President Rockefellar takes the command
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« Reply #1060 on: March 08, 2012, 03:18:04 pm »
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The Death of Senator Kennedy

On October 21st, 1954, Senator John F. Kennedy (D-MA) dies in a life-or-death operation, leaving his young widow Jackie, his brothers, and his parents. Governor Christian Herter appoints George C. Lodge to the seat and in a special election in 1956, Robert F. Kennedy is elected to the Senate. Inside the White House, things aren't easy either as President Dwight D. Eisenhower dies form a heart attack while on vacation in Colorado on September 24th, 1955.

35. Richard M. Nixon
Time in Office: September 24th, 1955-January 20th, 1965
Party: Republican
Home State: California
Vice President: None (1955-1957), Everett Dirksen (1957-1965
Elections: 1956 over Adlai Stevenson, 1960 over George Smathers


36. Robert F. Kennedy
Time in Office: January 20th, 1965-January 20th, 1973
Party: Democrat
Home State: Massachusetts
Vice President: Albert Gore Sr.
Elections: 1964 over Everett Dirksen, 1968 over Barry Goldwater


37. Nelson Rockefeller
Time in Office: January 20th, 1973-May 5th, 1979
Party: Republican
Home State: New York
Vice President(s): Spiro T. Agnew (1973-1975), None (1975), Howard H. Baker Jr. (1975-1979)
Elections: 1972 over Albert Gore Sr., 1976 over George McGovern


38. Howard H. Baker Jr.
Time in Office: May 5th, 1979-January 20th, 1981
Party: Republican
Home State: Tennessee
Vice President: None (1979), Elliot Richardson (1979-1981)


39. Walter Mondale
Time in Office: January 20th, 1981-January 20th, 1989
Party: Democrat
Home State: Minnesota
Vice President: Lloyd Bentsen
Elections: 1980 over Howard Baker, 1984 over Elliot Richardson


40. Robert S. Dole
Time in Office: January 20th, 1989-January 20th, 1997
Party: Republican
Home State: Kansas
Vice President: Pierre S. "Pete" duPont
Elections: 1988 over Mario Cuomo, 1992 over


41. Albert Gore Jr.
Time in Office: January 20th, 1997-January 20th, 2001
Party: Democrat
Home State: Tennessee
Vice President: John F. Kerry
Elections: 1996 over Pierre S. "Pete" duPont


42. Orrin Hatch
Time in Office: January 20th, 2001-January 20th, 2009
Party: Republican
Home State: Utah
Vice President: Robert C. Smith
Elections: 2000 over Albert Gore Jr, 2004 over John F. Kerry


43. Robert C. Smith
Time in Office: January 20th, 2009-January 20th, 2013
Party: Republican
Home State: New Hampshire
Vice President: Elizabeth Dole
Elections: 2008 over John Edwards


44. Bill Richardson
Time in Office: January 20th, 2013-Present
Party: Democrat
Home State: New Mexico
Vice President: Howard Dean
Elections: 2012 over Robert C. Smith
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« Reply #1061 on: March 08, 2012, 10:03:11 pm »
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Excellent list and Ronald Reagan never becomes President.
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« Reply #1062 on: March 08, 2012, 10:15:22 pm »
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Excellent list and Ronald Reagan never becomes President.

Thanks! If you'll notice though, the 1968-1992 Republican power cycle still occurs, though 20 years later.
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« Reply #1063 on: March 15, 2012, 06:16:51 pm »
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Here's a list of PMs from an American Monarchy timeline, just because I wanted to do something outside the norm (though I could never compete with the excellent TL already on this site).  A few notes:  Elections are every 5 years unless parliament dissolves before then.  Also I've worked out party seats for each cycle as well.  Because of the system, the PM is actually made official the same year as the election.  Also, the civil war is delayed 20 years because of efforts of the King and a longer lives Stephen Douglas.

1. John Adams (F-MA) (1790-1795)
2. Oliver Ellsworth (F-CT) (1795-1800)
3. Thomas Jefferson (D-VA) (1800-1810)
4. George Clinton (D-NY) (1810-1811)**
5. James Madison (D-VA) (1811-1812)*
6. Jared Ingersoll (FR-PA) (1812-1817)
7. James Monroe (D-VA) (1817-1822)
8. Nathan Sanford (D-NY) (1822-1826) *
9. John Quincy Adams (D-MA) (1826-1833)*
10. Henry Clay (W-KY) (1833-1843)
11. George M. Dallas (FR-PA) (1843-1848)
12. William O. Butler (D-KY) (1848-1853)
13. Franklin Pierce (D-NH) (1853-1856)*
14. Nathaniel P. Banks (FR-MA) (1856-1858)*
15. Stephen Douglas (D-IL) (1858-1867)**
16. Horatio Seymour (D-NY) (1867-1873)
17. Schuyler Colfax (W-IN) (1873-1878)
18. John Sherman (L-OH) (1878-1886)*
19. William Jennings Bryan (W-NE) (1896-1899)*
20. William McKinley (L-OH) (1899-1904)
21. William Jennings Bryan (W-NE) (1904-1914)
22. William Howard Taft (L-OH) (1914-1919)
23. Al Smith (W-NY) (1919-1932)*
24. Herbert Hoover (L-CA) (1932-1937)
25. Robert M. La Follette, Jr. (P-MN) (1937-1942)
26. John Nance Garner (W-TX) (1942-1947)
27. Thomas E. Dewey (L-NY) (1947-1953)*
28. Adlai Stevenson II (W-IL) (1953-1958)
29. Farrell Dobbs (S-ND) (1958-1960)***
30. Myra Tanner Weiss (S-CA) (1960-1963)
31. Barry Goldwater (L-AZ) (1963-1975)*
32. Jerry Brown (S-CA) (1975-1985)
33. Harold Stassen (L-MN) (1985-1990)
34. James Stockdale (W-CA) (1990-1995)
35. Steve Forbes (L-NY) (1995-2000)
36. Al Gore (S-TN) (2000-2009)*
37. Jeb Bush (L-FL) (2009-)

F-Federalist
D-Democratic
FR-Freedom
W-Whig
L-Liberal (liberal in the classical sense)
P-Progressive
S-Socialist

* Voted out in motion of no confidence
** Died in office (natural causes)
*** Assassinated
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« Reply #1064 on: March 15, 2012, 06:33:36 pm »
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1897-1901 Robert "Todd" Lincoln
1901-09 Teddy Roosevelt
1909-1913 Charles E Hughes

1913-1921 Woodrow Wilson
1921-1929 Calvin Coolidge
1929-1933 Hoover

1933-45 FD Roosevelt
1945-53 Truman

1953-61 Earl Warren
1961-1965 JFK
1965-1969 Nixon
1969-1977 RFK
1977-1981 Gerald Ford
1981-1989 HW Bush

1989-1997 Dick Gephardt
1997-2001 Robert Dole
2001-2009 John McCain

2009-2013 Obama
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32. Franklin D. Roosevelt: 1933-1949
33. Sam Rayburn: 1949-1953
34. Dwight D. Eisenhower: 1953-1961
35. Lyndon Johnson: 1961-1965
36. Nelson Rockefeller: 1965-1973
37. Barry Goldwater: 1973-1977
38. Henry M. Jackson: 1977-1985
39. Jimmy Carter: 1985-1989
40. Robert Dole: 1989-1997
41. Jack Kemp: 1997-2001
42. Bill Clinton: 2001-2009
43. Tom Daschle: 2009-2013
44. Mitch Daniels: 2013-2021
45. Marco Rubio: 2021-2029
46. Paul Ryan: 2029-2033
47. Corey Booker: 2033-2037
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Hoover a Democrat:

31. Herbert Hoover: 1929-1933 (D)
32. Al Smith: 1933-1941 (D)
33. Douglas MacArthur: 1941-1953 (R) *
34. Robert Taft: 1953-1961 (R)
35. Joseph P. Kennedy, Jr: 1961-1969 (D)
36. Barry M. Goldwater: 1969-1977 (R)
37. Joseph P. Kennedy, Jr: 1977-1981 (D)
38. Ronald W. Reagan: 1981-1989 (R)
39. Robert Dole: 1989-1997 (R)
40. Ann Richards: 1997-2001 (D)
41. Jack F. Kemp: 2001-2009 (R)
42. Elizabeth Dole: 2009-present

* seeks a third term because of World War II
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7. Andrew Jackson: 1829-1835 (D) *
8. Martin Van Buren: 1835-1841 (D)

9. William Henry Harrison: 1841-1845 (W)
10. James K. Polk: 1845-1849 (D)
11. Henry Clay: 1849-1852 (W)
12. Millard Fillmore: 1852-1853 (W)

13. Winfield Scott: 1853-1860 (W)
- ran for third term, lost, then died.  Should've won it IMO
14. Abraham Lincoln: 1860-1869 (W)
15. William Seward: 1869-1873 (W)
16. John C. Fremont: 1873-1881 (W)
17. Robert Todd Lincoln: 1881-1885 (W)

18. Theodore Roosevelt, Sr: 1885-1893 (Populist)
19. James Garfield: 1893-1901 (W)
20. William McKinley: 1901-1905 (W)

21. Theodore Roosevelt, Jr (P): 1905-19??


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7. Andrew Jackson: 1829-1835 (D) *
8. Martin Van Buren: 1835-1841 (D)

9. William Henry Harrison: 1841-1845 (W)
10. James K. Polk: 1845-1849 (D)
11. Henry Clay: 1849-1852 (W)
12. Millard Fillmore: 1852-1853 (W)

13. Winfield Scott: 1853-1860 (W)
- ran for third term, lost, then died.  Should've won it IMO
14. Abraham Lincoln: 1860-1869 (W)
15. William Seward: 1869-1873 (W)
16. John C. Fremont: 1873-1881 (W)
17. Robert Todd Lincoln: 1881-1885 (W)

18. Theodore Roosevelt, Sr: 1885-1893 (Populist)
19. James Garfield: 1893-1901 (W)
20. William McKinley: 1901-1905 (W)

21. Theodore Roosevelt, Jr (P): 1905-19??


* Assassinated

SOunds like a great read. I once tried to check it out, but my patience isn't the best. If I had wi-fi wherever I went, sure I could read it on my ipod, but I don't have that, sadly.
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Roosevelt is assassinated by Giuseppe Zangara in 1933.

32. John Nance Garner (Democratic): 1933-1937
33. Fiorello LaGuardia (Republican): 1937-1940*
34. Douglas MacArthur (Independent): 1940-1944**
35. Dwight Eisenhower (Independent): 1944-1949***
36. Earl Warren (Republican): 1949-1953
37. Adlai Stevenson (Democratic): 1953-1957
38. Dwight Eisenhower (National Union, then Unionist): 1957-1969****
39. Gerald Ford (Unionist): 1969-1973

40. Ed Muskie (Republican): 1973-1981*****
41. Ronald Reagan (Socialist): 1981-1993#
42. Paul Tsongas (Unionist): 1993-1997##
43. Bob Graham (Unionist): 1997-2009
44. Bobby Jindal (Unionist): 2009-present


*Overthrow in a military coup.
**Military dictatorship led by General Douglas MacArthur in response to President LaGuardia's reform agenda. The dictatorship was overthrown in 1944 in a counter-coup led by General Dwight Eisenhower.
***Stepped down after one term to oversee the restoration of democracy.
****Eisenhower came back to power after yet another constitutional convention that was called in response to violence in the South over the Stevenson administration's push for civil rights. He won the 1956 election unanimously, with Stevenson not even bothering to run for a second term. For the next twelve years, Eisenhower presided over rapid American economic growth, eased social tensions, and full legal rights for black Americans. However, protests sprang up in the late 1960s that eventually lead to the aging President's decision not to seek re-election in 1968.
*****President Muskie presided over the liberalization of American social policy amid a slowing economy; nevertheless, he continued Eisenhower's policy of detente with Nazi Germany, despite calls from the Socialist Party to pursue a more aggressive foreign policy.
#The first member of the Socialist Party elected President, Reagan enacted wideranging social and economic reforms to transform the United States into a social democratic society. He also renewed the Cold War with Nazi Germany, increasing arms production that would create an arms race the Nazis could not win--culminating in their collapse in 1991.
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Roosevelt is assassinated by Giuseppe Zangara in 1933.

32. John Nance Garner (Democratic): 1933-1937
33. Fiorello LaGuardia (Republican): 1937-1940*
34. Douglas MacArthur (Independent): 1940-1944**
35. Dwight Eisenhower (Independent): 1944-1949***
36. Earl Warren (Republican): 1949-1953
37. Adlai Stevenson (Democratic): 1953-1957
38. Dwight Eisenhower (National Union, then Unionist): 1957-1969****
39. Gerald Ford (Unionist): 1969-1973

40. Ed Muskie (Republican): 1973-1981*****
41. Ronald Reagan (Socialist): 1981-1993#
42. Paul Tsongas (Unionist): 1993-1997##
43. Bob Graham (Unionist): 1997-2009
44. Bobby Jindal (Unionist): 2009-present


*Overthrow in a military coup.
**Military dictatorship led by General Douglas MacArthur in response to President LaGuardia's reform agenda. The dictatorship was overthrown in 1944 in a counter-coup led by General Dwight Eisenhower.
***Stepped down after one term to oversee the restoration of democracy.
****Eisenhower came back to power after yet another constitutional convention that was called in response to violence in the South over the Stevenson administration's push for civil rights. He won the 1956 election unanimously, with Stevenson not even bothering to run for a second term. For the next twelve years, Eisenhower presided over rapid American economic growth, eased social tensions, and full legal rights for black Americans. However, protests sprang up in the late 1960s that eventually lead to the aging President's decision not to seek re-election in 1968.
*****President Muskie presided over the liberalization of American social policy amid a slowing economy; nevertheless, he continued Eisenhower's policy of detente with Nazi Germany, despite calls from the Socialist Party to pursue a more aggressive foreign policy.
#The first member of the Socialist Party elected President, Reagan enacted wideranging social and economic reforms to transform the United States into a social democratic society. He also renewed the Cold War with Nazi Germany, increasing arms production that would create an arms race the Nazis could not win--culminating in their collapse in 1991.
##Died in office.

Dude. This is awesome. Would love to see this acted out in a tl sometime. Lol at the socialist Ronald Reagan, amusing to see him retain his hawkishness, and it's funny how the leftists ITTL would be the hawks due to their opposition to the Far Right Nazi Germany. This'd be great.
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35. Lyndon Johnson: 1961-1969
36. Barry Goldwater: 1969-1977
37. Ronald Reagan: 1977-1985
38. Mario Cuomo: 1985-1993
39. Bill Clinton: 1993-1997
40. Colin Powell: 1997-2005
41. John McCain: 2005-2013
42. Claire McCaskill: 2013-
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NEW DEAL SURVIVES---Center Left Nation.


Not completely an alternate history but some key changes.....

32.  1933-1945   Franklin D Roosevelt- (John Garner, Henry Wallace) (D)
33.  1945-1953   Henry Wallace- Harry Truman (D)  


(In 1950 Helen Gahagan Douglas narrowly beats Richard Nixon for the California senate)

34.  1953-1961   Dwight Eisenhower- Henry Cabot Lodge (R)
35.  1961-1969   John Kennedy- Hubert Humphrey (D)
36.  1969-1973   Robert Kennedy- Eugene McCarthy (D) no second term due to sex scandal

37.  1973-1981  Gerald Ford- Richard Schweiker (R)
38.  1981-1989  George McGovern -Geraldine Ferraro (D)
39.  1989-1993   Alan Simpson -Mark Hatfield (R)---defeated due to the recession of 1992
40.   1993-2001  Bill Clinton- Ann Richards (D)
41.   2001-2005  Ann Richards- Richard Gephardt (D)---steps down due to poor heath.
42.   2005-2009  Rudy Giuiliani -Olympia Snowe (R)---defeated poor economy.
43.   2009-2017  Hillary Clinton--Barack Obama (D)


Background (please pardon any typos, etc.) :
32 FDR keeps Wallace on 1944 ticket despite party opposition.

33.  Wallace assumed the presidency during WWII. Wallace refused to use Nuclear bombs and the US invaded Japan in 1945 to success. The job market was relatively strong under Wallace and thus he was narrowly nominated in 1948 and defeated Thomas Dewey in the closest election in history after 3 statewide recounts. (Dewey won the popular vote 51 to 49%.) Wallace pursued civil rights support came under stiff opposition from southern democrats and lost renomination in 1952 to Adlai Stevenson.

34. Eisenhower was elected to two terms along with moderate running mate Henry Cabot Lodge. In 1952 he faced Adlai Stevenson defeating him in a landslide. In 1956 Estes Kefauver. The 1956 race was much closer due to Eisenhower's health being an issue. Senator Kefauver hammered at this issue and raised doubts, but it was not enough to tip the election his way.  

35. In 1960 John Kennedy and running mate Hubert Humphrey defeated Vice President Henry Cabot Lodge in a landslide carrying 350 to 188 electoral votes 55 to 45%.Lodge ran a lackluster campaign without any focus. In 1964 they defeated Nelson Rockefeller in a close race 50 to 49% 300-238 EV. Kennedy pursued a "Strong Society" program, and passed landmark civil rights legislation in addition to packing the supreme court. Kennedy opted against full scale involvement in Vietnam. Kennedy continued much of the New Deal and left office with sky high approval ratings.

36. The public's love affair with the Kennedy dynasty continued in 1968. Robert Kennedy the presidents brother decided to pursue the presidency. In a very tough and bitter primary he narrowly defeated Vice President Humphrey. In the general election he defeated Arizona senator Barry Goldwater 53% to 47% with Goldwater carried every southern state and a few in the west. During his only term he continued his brothers domestic and civil rights policies to much success. His approval ratings were high until a sex scandal in 1971 involving call girls at the white house. The presidents numbers plummeted and the party asked for his withdrawal from reelection. Vice President McCarthy sought and won the nomination but was narrowly defeated by House Minority Leader Gerald Ford 50% to 49% (276-262). Former President Kennedy's image improved after leaving office hailed as a international humanitarian.

37 Gerald Ford began his presidency in the wake of the Kennedy sex scandals. He was narrowly elected on a promise of renewal. He sought to get the publics mind off of those sensitive issues. He was perceived as a social moderate, fiscal conservative and while not always a sharp public speaker people generally liked him even in the beggining. Ford pursued policies of detente with the soviet union and sought to improve relations between the nations and avert a cold war. President Fords middle east peace talks in 1975 were hailed as a break through. Ford was reelected in a landslide in 1976 based on a improving economy and peace abroad. Ford carried a whopping 44 states and 56% of the popular vote against Georgia Governor Jimmy Carter and running mate Ted Kennedy. He left office with a 70% approval rating after successfully negotiating the Iran hostage crisis.

38. Vice President Schweiker was very popular and the press was stunned when he opted out of running to succeed President Ford. Kansas senator Bob Dole won the republican nomination in 1980 and with President's Ford approval ratings high it was Dole's race to lose. That he did, his defeat came with a series of high profile gaffe's and one incident falling off of an open truck. Democrats nominated South Dakota Senator George McGovern over Ted Kennedy. McGovern defeated Dole in a major general election upset. The upset carried with him the first female vice president Geraldine Ferraro. This election marked a major gender gap with McGovern carrying women 60%-40% Dole with Men 56-44. President McGovern was famously photoed with an issue of the Chicago tribune which had predicted a Dole victory, in addition to many on air personalites notably Walter Cronkite early in the evening. Not a single pre election poll showed McGovern competitive despite Dole's gaffe problems. The McGovern terms were marked with a strong economy and peace abroad. McGovern pursued peace talks with the Soviet Union and a nuclear freeze. This met with conservative opposition and in 1984 McGovern survived a challenge from Texas Senator George Bush 52 to 47% McGoverns reelection theme was America is blooming again.

39. Vice President Geraldine Ferraro became the first woman to seek a major party nomination in 1988 and won nomination.  Ferraro had issues with her husbands business connections and mild sexism abroad which played as a distractions to her economic and equality based message. Ferraro chose California senator Alan Cranston as her running mate. Moderate republican senator Alan Simpson was nominated by republicans and he chose his colleague Oregon Senator Mark Hatfield. The Simpson- Hatfield Ticket beat Ferraro-Cranston 51% to 48% 298 electoral votes to 240.

40. Despite relative popularity after the successful gulf war and the death of Saddam Hussein President Alan Simpson lost support as the US economy sank into a deep recession. Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton was nominated by the Democrats and he chose popular Texas governor Ann Richards as his running mate. Independent businessman Pat Buchanan ran as a reform candidate and at claims that President Simpson was not socially conservative enough. Bill Clinton won the day with 50% of the popular vote to Simpsons 43% 7% for Buchanan. Clintons victory in the electoral college 338 to 208. Texas helped tip the electoral college in Clintons favor after winning it by less then 1pt. President Clinton presided over the best economy in decades and his approval ratings skyrocketed. His wife Hillary Clinton successfully lead the fight to pass a form of Universal Heathcare. By 1996 Clinton was the most popular president since FDR. He won the 1996 election in the strongest landslide since 1936 carrying 40 states and 59% of the popular vote against North Carolina Senator Jesse Helms. Clinton did have a sex scandal at the end of his term with Former Minnesota Senator Walter Mondale's daughter Eleanor, but republicans were not able to leverage this event to their advantage and Vice President Richards was elected to succeed him.

41. Vice President Ann Richards became the second woman to seek a major parties nomination. Having seen the mistakes and issues with Former Vice President Ferraro's campaign Richards went in with a game plan. The public admired her tough and frank cantor and felt she could be trusted because of it. The public felt she was someone they wanted to have a beer with. The republicans ran Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney as opposition. The contrast between the two was apparent from day one. The Richards campaign dug up Romney's past with Bain capital and the media painted him as out of touch. Vice President Richards one liners during the debates seem to help reinforce the image of Romney being out of touch. Richards defeated Romney 53% to 47% and 368-170 in the electoral college.Richards time in office was a challenge, she presided over the 9-11 attacks and the hunt for Osama Bid Laden. In 2003 The US found Bin Laden hiding in Syria and killed him in a raid. Richards approval was very high following this event. Richards while tough on foreign policy was an advocate at home for those without a voice in poverty, women and the LGBT community.During the end of her only term it was clear to the press and her administration that the presidents health was an issue and she decided not to seek a second term in 2004. President Richards passed away in 2006 two years after ending her successful term.

42. After President Richards decision not to seek a second term Rudy Giuiliani was the odds on favorite to win based on his popularity following the 9-11 attacks and his alliance with President Richards. Democrats nominated Vice President Richard Gephardt and the first African American on a ticket Congressman Harold Ford. They were defeated by Giuliani and his running mate Maine senator Olympia Snowe 52%-47% (279-259 EV) in the election. Guiliani began his term with strong popularity and continued President Richards homeland security policies. However the stock market crashed in 2008 and this lead to his defeat by Former First Lady and  Arkansas Senator Hillary Clinton.

43. Democrats tasted victory in the fall of President Giuliani's numbers in 2008. They saw Former First Lady Hillary Clinton as the strongest candidate to take him down and she was nominated outright after winning the Iowa caucus in a landslide over Illinois Governor Barack Obama. She quickly sought a running mate that would make a statement to add appeal to her ticket and she chose her closest opponent Obama to join her on the ticket. The Clinton Obama ticket stressed an economic message and took it deep into the industrial midwest where they crushed Giuliani in the popular and electoral vote. 379 to 159 54% to 46% respectively. Clinton began her term with legislation aimed at creating jobs and has tailored her message accordingly. Clinton has preferred to steer away from issues that do not pertain to job growth or the economy and her approval rating has remained steady at 47-52%. President Clinton was recently hailed by the LGBT community after a speech on gay rights. In addition to her opposition to recent republican efforts on birth control related legislation against women.
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38. Hubert Humphrey (Democratic): 1969-1977
39. Ronald Reagan (Republican): 1977-1981
40. Edward M. Kennedy (Democratic): 1981-1989
41. Lloyd Bentsen (Democratic): 1989-1993

42. Pat Buchanan (Republican): 1993-2001
43. Paul Wellstone (Democratic): 2001-2009
44. Mike Huckabee (Republican): 2009-present

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1845-1849: Henry Clay (Whig)
1849-1853: Lewis Cass (Democratic)
1853-1857: Abraham Lincoln (Whig)
1857-1861: Lazarus W. Powell (Democratic)
1861-1869: John C. Frémont (Radical Whig)
1869-1873: Charles Sumner (Radical Whig)
1873-1877: Abraham Lincoln (Whig)
1877-1881: James Blaine (Whig)
1881-1885: Winfield S. Hancock (Democratic)
1885-1889: William Sherman (Whig)
1889-1897: James Garfield (Whig)
1897-1901: William McKinley (Whig)
1901-1905: Alton B. Parker (Democratic)
1905-1913: Eugene Debs (Socialist)
1913-1921: Theodore Roosevelt (Whig)
1921-1925: Leonard Wood (Whig)
1925-1929: James Cox (Democratic)
1929-1937: Upton Sinclair (Socialist)
1937-1945: Henry Wallace (Socialist)
1945-1949: Robert Taft (Democratic)
1949-1957: Thomas Dewey (Whig)
1957-1961: Dwight Eisenhower (Whig)
1961-1962: Barry Goldwater (Democratic)*
1962-1965: Richard Russell, Jr. (Democratic)
1965-1969: Lyndon Johnson (Socialist)
1969-1977: John F. Kennedy (Whig)
1977-1981: Richard Nixon (Democratic)
1981-1984: Martin Luther King, Jr. (Socialist)*
1984-1989: Robert F. Kennedy (Socialist)
1989-1993: Jerry Brown (Whig)
1993-2001: Mario Cuomo (Socialist)
2001-2009: John McCain (Democratic)
2009-2017: Hillary Clinton (Whig)
2017-2021: John Thune (Democratic)
2017-2025: Gavin Newsom (Socialist)
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