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« Reply #1150 on: June 25, 2012, 09:40:16 PM »
« edited: June 25, 2012, 09:50:36 PM by Mister Mets »

I might try to expand this later.

Presidents/ Vice-Presidents of the United States
42. Paul Tsongas/ Bill Clinton (1993-1995)
Tsongas resigns early 1995, when his lymphoma returns.
43. Bill Clinton/ George Mitchell (1995-2001)
Bill Clinton/ Energy Secretary Al Gore (2001-2005)
The 1996 Republican ticket is Governor Jeb Bush of Florida/ Senator Phil Gramm of Texas.
The 2000 Republican ticket is former Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney/ Representative John Kasich of Ohio.
44. John McCain/ Mike Bloomberg (2005-2013)
The 2004 Democratic ticket is Al Gore/ Senator Niki Tsongas of Massachusetts.
The 2008 Democratic ticket is Governor Barack Obama of Illinois/ former Senator John Edwards of North Carolina.
45. Mike Bloomberg/ Lisa Murkowski (2013-2017)
The 2012 Republican ticket is former Governor Sarah Palin of Alaska/ Senator George Pataki of New York.
The 2012 Democratic ticket is Senator Hillary Clinton of Illinois/ Governor Eliot Spitzer of New York.
46. Governor Mitt Romney of Utah/ Senator Scott Brown of Massachusetts (2017-2025)
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« Reply #1151 on: June 25, 2012, 09:43:14 PM »
« Edited: June 25, 2012, 09:50:11 PM by Mister Mets »

Explanations...
In February 18 1992, Paul Tsongas surrogate Barney Frank bursts Bill Clinton's bubble after the New Hampshire primary, asking how Bill Clinton could have been the comeback kid if he only finished second.
Tsongas still chose Clinton as his running mate. As a former northeastern legislator, he benefited from the addition of a well-vetted Southern Governor to his ticket.

New York Governor Mario Cuomo was talked into joining the Supreme Court.
Rudy Giuliani lost his 1993 mayoral campaign in a very close election.
With a Massachusetts Democrat in the White House, Mitt Romney decided not to run against Ted Kennedy for Senate.

In 1994, Jeb Bush was elected Governor of Florida, while Rudy Giuliani was elected Governor of New York.
Jeb Bush's 1996 defeat ended the Bush legacy as far as presidential elections were concerned.

In 1996, Massachusetts Governor William Weld defeated John Kerry in the Senate election.

In 1997, Mike Bloomberg became the first Republican mayor of New York City since Lindsay. He ended up getting the credit for the drop in crime.
Bill Clinton chose to run for a second full term.  In the 2000 New York Senate election, Lieutenant Governor George Pataki defeated HUD Secretary Andrew Cuomo.

With George W Bush deciding he wasn't going to be the third Bush to lose a Presidential election, his father's former backers convinced Cheney to run for President.

In 2002, former first lady Niki Tsongas defeated William Weld in the Massachusetts Senate election.

Hillary Clinton ran for Senate in 2004 in the state in which she was born. In order to avoid a primary, she supported State Senator Barack Obama in his 2006 gubernatorial primary challenge against Incumbent Rod Blagojevich.
Mitt Romney was elected Governor of Utah. He had consistently claimed to be a pro-life conservative since the mid-1990s.
Bloomberg's endorsement helped McCain defeat Giuliani in the 2004 Presidential primary.

Sarah Palin served a full term as Governor of Alaska, before running for President.
Bloomberg realized he had no shot of winning the Republican primary, so he announced in 2011 that he would run for President as an Independent. He picked Lisa Murkowski as his running mate, because she was familiar with both Palin and Hillary Clinton. Her hatred of Palin was considered to be the main reason she switched parties.
Both Palin and Clinton picked New Yorkers as running mates in the hopes of swinging the state in a three way race.
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« Reply #1152 on: June 26, 2012, 05:46:52 AM »

Awesome list, Mr. Mets. I'd love to see it as a full fledged tl someday.
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« Reply #1153 on: July 03, 2012, 12:25:08 PM »
« Edited: July 14, 2012, 10:31:01 PM by heatmaster »

After Ronald Reagan, the 40th President was assassinated by John Hinckley on March 30 1981, George H.W. Bushsucceeded to the Presidency, and as the 41st President, served until January 20, 1989: Bush defeated former Vice President Walter Mondale and his running mate Senator Lloyd Bentsen of Texas in a landslide: Bush had selected SenatorRobert Dole of Kansas under the 25th Amendment: Dole and his running mate Senator Richard Lugar of Indiana lost the 1988 election by a narrow margin to Democrat Senator Monroe Fields of Kentucky and his running mate, GovernorDaniel Lewis of California: the Republican Presidential nominee, in 1992 was Senator Andrew Neal of Florida, but he failed to catch fire and lost the election to the Fields-Lewis ticket; four years later, the Republicans opted to select the more attractive and savvy Governor Eugene Maxwell of Ohio and his running mate, SenatorRoger Burke of Virginia defeated Daniel Lewis by a closer than election margin, however in 2000, in a rematch, Lewis narrowly defeated Maxwell in an upset; the result of the 2000 election was closer than expected: in 2004, Lewis and his Vice President, Edward Daniels were reelected by a decisive margin over the Republican challenger, Governor Frank Morrison of Kansas. On July 16, 2005, President Lewis while on a visit to Pittsburgh was assassinated and Edward Daniels became the 45th President: Daniels had the misfortune of being President when Hurricane Katrina struck New Orleans in September of 2005, his mishandling of this crisis as well as the disastrous results for the Democrats in the 2006 mid term elections, Republicans gained control of both the House and Senate; the news coming out of Iraq and Afghanistan didn't improve matters for the Daniels administration.
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« Reply #1154 on: July 03, 2012, 12:27:07 PM »
« Edited: August 09, 2015, 01:54:04 PM by heatmaster »

During 2007, the political world was taken by storm with the entry of the young Governor of Texas, Michael Stanton: it became clear that who was married to, Katherine the daughter of former President, Nelson Frazier: the marriage was blessed with picture perfect children: on top of his youth and telegenic appeal, Stanton had intelligence, charisma and intellectual heft and on top of which, he was a bona fide war hero, having won the Medal of Honor for Gallantry during the Battle of Mogadishu, in 1993: Stanton assisted by a top notch staff, the best and brightest in political circles, assembled a first class fund-raising operation using the internet and this combined with more traditional methods of funding, enabled Stanton to construct the most efficient campaign organization in history, this added to Stanton' skills in debating and speaking ensured that the young Texan built enough momentum to guarantee an easy ride to his party's presidential nomination and within weeks of officially being designated by the Republican party as there nominee, there was a meltdown on Wall Street and the calm and sure footed way in which the 42-year-old candidate handled himself in the aftermath, as well as during the campaign and the three debates he and and the incumbent, Harold Daniels participated in, as well as Daniels own conducted, solidified Stanton' widening lead in the polls: The only question which remained to be answered on Election Day, 2008 was how large would the victory be for the Stanton-Myers ticket, the answer came, when Stantoncarried 38 states and won 359[/b] electoral votes to 63 for Daniels (see map later), the Republican ticket garnered over 59% of the vote and had a popular vote margin of over 5,000,000 votes.
Stanton assembled a first rate administration and opted for a bipartisan flavor in his appointments. The next few years while difficult for the Stanton-Myers administration, saw reform enacted in the healthcare and banking sectors: Barnes had three opportunities during his first term to appoint supreme court appointments: in 2012, Jeff Dukeof New Hampshire was the Democratic nominee, but wasn't able to make much headway in his efforts to unseat the incumbent and as President, Michael Stanton enjoyed stratospheric approval ratings, despite the sluggish economy and the results on Election Day 2012 (November 6 2012), confirmed the opinion poll readings throughout the year, Stanton won 66% of the popular vote, far surpassing the 61% won by another Texan in 1964 and like LBJ , the 46-year-old Stanton carried the larger states by record breaking margins, he won 532 Electoral votes, carrying 49 states and winning a popular vote majority of over 30,000,000, the greatest margin in U.S. political history: During his second term, Stanton was confronted with heightened tensions in the Middle Crisis, also Nuclear terrorism preoccupied the president and his efforts to negotiate a comprehensive Strategic Offensive weapons Reduction Treaty (SORT) coupled with a Nuclear Terrorism Treaty won for Stanton the Nobel Peace Prize: in 2016, Katherine Stanton was elected to the U.S. Senate from Florida, even as Myers narrowly lost the presidential election to SenatorEugene Henderson of North Carolina and Senator Paul Burke of West Virginia: the Henderson administration was confronted with a crisis of epic proportions in the Middle East, a year into his administration, when the lynchpin to U.S. interests in the Middle East, Saudi Arabia was the center of an Islamic Revolution which overthrew the Monarchy and forced the Royal family into exile: Sunni and Shiite Muslims fought for dominance and the result was a Civil War in Saudi Arabia: the refusal by Henderson's administration to deploy a Rapid Deployment Force (RDF) to intervene in the crisis was criticized by many in the foreign policy community and by former President, Michael Stanton as well. The fact the still politically potent and popular former occupant of the Oval Office, ensured that Republicans prompted by Stanton's unprecedented speech condemning his successor's policies and inaction, found new courage and as the 2020 election campaign began to heat up, Henderson faced more headaches, including a downturn in the U.S. Economy and hyperinflation caused by shortages in Oil and Petroleum: former Governor Benjamin Wheeler of California called for the opening of the Alaska Wildlife Nature Reserve for Oil exploration and drilling: suddenly Wheeler and his policies gained new life and cache in political circles and he began to replicate the Stanton playbook from the 2008 campaign; the Republicans assembled at FedEx forum in Memphis and it was there that Wheeler was nominated and his selection of Senator Katherine Stanton of Florida was seen as an inspired choice to be sure. The Democrats met at the American Airlines Arena, in Miami to renominate President Eugene Henderson and Vice President, Paul Burke. The outcome on November 3, 2020 resulted in the Wheeler-Stanton ticket defeating the Henderson-Burke ticket, 54.4% to 45.0%, the Republicans didn't win a victory on the scale of the 2008 and 2012 triumphs, but a win was a win and Benjamin Wheeler became the 48th President on January 20, 2021, he was reelected on November 5 2024, carrying 42 states, winning [b465][/b] to 73 to Sean Flannagan, Governor of Massachusetts,  he would serve until December 12, 2024 when terrorists struck, firing a SAM at Marine One as it landed on the South Lawn of the White House returning from Camp David. Katherine Stanton became America's first woman and the 49th President: it would the first time in American history in which two spouses would have both occupied the presidency. The new President, nominated Senator Daniel Ackerman of Virginia to fill the vacancy in the Vice Presidency. Well over 3 years later, Daniel Ackerman died due to a self inflicted gunshot wound, and thus once again the Vice Presidency was vacant, and the 25th Amendment was triggered. The President nominated Secretary of State Edward Quinn. Politics intervened and the confirmation hearings were protracted and contentious,  and the delay in the confirmation process became a major issue.   won the 2028 election, winning 56.81% to 41.2% for Senator Harry Tell of New York. Stanton won 480Electoral votes, winning all but 5 states and the District of Columbia, while Tell managed to capture 58 Electoral Votes. The Stanton administration confronted the fall-out from the fall-out from the Saudi Arabian crisis: however by 2031, with the 2032 election in the horizon, with discontent evident from the electorate as well as fatigue from twelve years of the Wheeler-Stanton-Quinn administration as well as deep fissures of division within the Republican Party base, Edward Quinn overcame opposition to his nomination and at the party's convention in Minneapolis, Quinn selected CongressmanBill Brodyof Virginiaof the Quinn-Brody ticket.
The Democratic nominee, former Senator Adam Boone , Governor of Ohio and his running mate, Senator John Reid of California; the outcome of the 2032 election was closer than expected and the results were 283 Electoral Votes and 49.07%for Boone-Reid and 255 Electoral Votes and 48% for Quinn. Four years later, former Secretary of State and now Texas Governor William Stevens made a successful bid to once again occupy the White House and she defeated Adam Boone and won with 55.5% to 42.9% for Adam Boone[/i][/color] and on January 20, 2037 and he became 51st President of the United States.
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« Reply #1155 on: July 03, 2012, 12:58:11 PM »

2001-2005 S-TN Al Gore/P-FLBob Graham NH and Florida goes to Gore
2005-2009 T AZ John McCain/cc Colin Powell
2009-2017 PVA Mark Warner/POH Ted Strickland
2017-2021 T LA Bobby Jindall/ T SD Thune
2021-2025 S Joe Sestak/ P Mark Begich
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« Reply #1156 on: July 03, 2012, 07:05:14 PM »
« Edited: April 13, 2013, 10:07:21 AM by heatmaster »

Here are the maps:
1988 Gilchrist vs. Dole

306 Electoral Votes for Gilchrist.
232 Electoral Votes for Dole.

1992 Gilchrist vs. Samuels

353 Electoral Votes for Gilchrist.
185 Electoral Votes for Samuels.

1996 Henderson vs. Raymond.

285 Electoral Votes for Henderson.
253 Electoral Votes for Raymond

2000 Wheeler vs. Henderson.

308 Electoral Votes for Wheeler.
230 Electoral Votes for Henderson.

2004 Daniels vs. Casimir

314 Electoral Votes for Daniels.
224 Electoral Votes for Casimir.

2008 Adams vs. Daniels.

475 Electoral Votes for Adams.
63 Electoral Votes for Daniels.

2012 Adams vs. Jensen.

532 Electoral Votes for Adams.
6 Electoral Votes for Jensen.

2016 Maxwell vs. Creighton

292 Electoral Votes for Maxwell.
246 Electoral Votes for Creighton

2020 Benson vs. Maxwell.

367 Electoral Votes for Benson
171 Electoral Votes for Maxwell

2024 Benson vs. Hoag

462 Electoral Votes for Benson
76 Electoral Votes for Hoag

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« Reply #1157 on: July 11, 2012, 01:59:02 AM »

18. Ulysses S. Grant (Republican): 1869-1877
19. James G. Blaine (Republican): 1877-1881
20. Ulysses S. Grant (Republican): 1881-1881
21. Chester A. Arthur (Republican): 1881-1885
22. William Tecumseh Sherman (Republican): 1885-1893
23. William McKinley (Republican,
then Liberal Republican): 1893-1897
24. William Jennings Bryan (People's): 1897-1901
25. Adlai Stevenson (People's): 1901-1909

26. George Dewey (Liberal): 1909-1909
27. Theodore Roosevelt (Liberal): 1909-1913

28. Adlai Stevenson (People's): 1913-1917
29. John J. Pershing (Liberal): 1917-1918
30. Hiram Johnson (Liberal): 1918-1921

31. Henry Ford (People's): 1921-1929
32. Norman Thomas (Socialist, then Popular Unity): 1929-1933
33. Burton K. Wheeler (Popular Unity,
then People's): 1933-1937
34. Smedley Butler (Socialist): 1937-1945
35. Thomas Dewey (Democratic): 1945-1949
36. Henry A. Wallace (Socialist): 1949-1950
37. Glen H. Taylor (Socialist): 1950-1953

38. Bob Taft (Democratic): 1953-1957
39. Hubert Humphrey (Socialist): 1957-1961
40. Barry Goldwater (Democratic): 1961-1965
41. Dwight Eisenhower (Socialist): 1965-1969
42. Ronald Reagan (Socialist): 1969-1977
43. Jeane Kirkpatrick (Socialist): 1977-1981

44. George H.W. Bush (Democratic): 1981-1989
45. Richard M. Nixon (Socialist): 1989-1991
46. Michael Harrington (Socialist): 1991-1997
47. Colin Powell (Socialist): 1997-2001

48. George W. Bush (Democratic): 2001-present
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« Reply #1158 on: July 12, 2012, 07:27:53 AM »

My History Teacher's Dream Come True
Also known as: Snowstalker's Dream Come True

28. Woodrow Wilson (D-NJ)/Thomas Marshall (D-IN), Franklin D. Roosevelt (D-NY) 1913-1925
29. John Calvin Coolidge (R-MA)/Frank O. Lowden (R-MA) 1925-1933
30. Franklin D. Roosevelt (D-NY)/John Nance Garner (D-TX), Harry S. Truman (D-MO) 1933-1949
31. Harry S. Truman (D-MO)/Alben W. Bakrley (D-KY) 1949-1957

32. Richard M. Nixon (R-CA)/Hugh Scott (R-PA) 1957-1965
33. Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX)/Hubert H. Humphrey (D-MN) 1965-1973
34. Hubert H. Humphrey (D-MN)/Terry Sanford (D-NC) 1973-1979
35. Terry Sanford (D-NC)/vacant, Walter Mondale (D-MN) 1979-1981

36. Ronald W. Reagan (R-CA)/George H.W. Bush (R-TX) 1981-1989
37. William Jefferson Clinton (D-AR)/Albert S. Gore Jr. (D-TN) 1989-1997
38. Albert S. Gore Jr. (D-TN)/Paul Wellstone (D-MN) 1997-2005

39. John S. McCain III (R-AZ)/Kay Bailey Hutchinson (R-TX) 2005-2009
40. Hillary R. Clinton (D-AR)/Barack Obama (D-IL) 2009-2017
41. Barack Obama (D-IL)/Andrew Cuomo (D-NY) 2017-2025
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« Reply #1159 on: July 12, 2012, 04:57:37 PM »


1980



Governor John B. Anderson of Illinois / Governor Jerry Brown of California - Frontier Party - 359 Electoral Votes, 57.3% Popular Vote
Governor William Milliken of Michigan / Senator Phil Crane of Illinois - Democratic Party - 179 Electoral Votes - 40.1% Popular Vote
Other - 2.6%


1984



President John B. Anderson of Illinois / Vice President Jerry Brown of California - Frontier Party - 457 Electoral Votes, 61.2% Popular Vote
Senator Henry Jackson of Washington* / Governor Reubin Askew of Florida - Democratic Party - 26 Electoral Votes, 20.5% Popular Vote 
Governor Howard Baker of Tennessee / Congressman George H.W Bush of Connecticut - Progressive Party -  55 Electoral Votes, 18.3% Popular Vote



*Henry Jackson would die the day before the election while on the campaign trail.
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« Reply #1160 on: July 31, 2012, 07:40:48 PM »

Alternate Career of John Ellis Bush

1994 - Narrowly defeats Democratic incumbent Lawton Chiles, his brother George W. Bush loses the race for Governor to Democratic incumbent Ann Richards

1995 - Jeb Bush is inaugurated as Governor of Florida

1996 - President Bill Clinton is reelected as President of the United States defeating Bob Dole and  Jack Kemp

1998 - Governor Jeb Bush wins a second term in office, his brother George W. Bush defeats the Democrat running for Governor in Texas.

1999 - Jeb Bush announces that he will seek the Republican nomination for President
June 2000 - After a tough primary with more conservative candidate Senator Orrin Hatch of Utah, Bush loses the nomination battle to Hatch.

August 2000 - Republican nominee Senator Orrin Hatch selects Senator John McCain over Jeb Bush. Some Republicans vote for Bush anyway at the convention even though Bush endorses Hatch/McCain. Al Gore picks former Texas Governor Ann Richards

November 2000 - Hatch/McCain loses to Gore/Richards 398-140.



January 2001 - Vice President Al Gore is inaugurated.

September/October 2001 - After 9/11, President Gore sends US and UN forces into Afghanistan to root out Osama Bin Laden.

November 2002 - Democrats lose seats in both the House and Senate. George W. Bush wins a second term as Governor of Texas.

December 2002 - Jeb Bush announces that he will seek the Presidency again.

March 2003 - Jeb Bush wins the Republican nomination for the Presidency.

May - Jeb Bush announces his Vice Presidential pick as NJ Governor Christine Todd Whitman

November - Bush/Whitman defeats Gore/Richards 273-265. Republicans secure control of the Senate, Democrats keep House.



January 2005 - Jeb Bush is sworn in as the 44th President of the United States. Christine Todd Whitman is the first female Vice President of the United States.

November 2006 - Republicans lose the Senate to the Democrats, House goes to the Republicans in a weird reversal.

December 2007 - Ann Richards, who was widely speculated to run for President, dies. Polls had shown her beating President Bush.

January 2007 - Senator Hillary Clinton of New York, Governor Wesley Clark of Virginia, Governor Tom Vilsack of Iowa amongst others announce that they will seek the Democratic nomination.

March 2008 - Senator Hillary Clinton wins the Democratic nomination for President.

June 2008 - Senator Hillary Clinton picks Governor Tom Vilsack of Iowa as her running mate.

November 2008 - Bush/Whitman narrowly defeats Clinton/Vilsack. Bush increased his electoral victory from 273 to 275. Both Houses now controlled by Republicans.



2009 - Bush/Whitman sworn in for a second term.

November 2010 - Republicans lose some seats but maintain control in Congress.

January 2011 - Governor Barack Obama of Illinois announces that he will seek the Democratic nomination amongst others.

March 2012 - Democrat Barack Obama secures the Democratic nomination. Vice President Christine Todd Whitman secures the Vice Presidential nomination.

July 2012 - Christine Todd Whitman announces her Vice Presidential pick will be South Dakota Senator John Thune. Barack Obama announces his Vice Presidential pick of Governor Tim Kaine of Virginia.

September 2012 - Lehman Brothers goes bankrupt and the world economy slides into a deep recession. Many blame the Bush Administration. Bush's approval drops to 38%, the lowest of his time in office.

November 2012 - Obama/Kaine defeats Whitman/Thune 409-129



January 2013 - Bush leaves office with a 35% approval rating. Obama/Kaine inaugurated.
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« Reply #1161 on: August 14, 2012, 11:23:26 AM »

An Earlier Rise of the Roosevelts

Isaac Roosevelt (1726-1794)
In 1789, while searching for a Treasury Secretary, George Washington considered many folks. However, with Alexander Hamilton (the recommendation of Washington's first choice, Roger Morris) instead taking a seat in the United States Senate along side his father-in-law Phillip Schuyler, Hamilton recommended the former President of the Bank of New York and his former business partner Isaac Roosevelt. Roosevelt had been a longstanding politician in New York and was of course one of its foremost bankers. Dedicated to public service, Roosevelt agreed to take the position. With advice from his good friend Hamilton as well as ideas coming from Roger Morris (then a PA Senator), Roosevelt set out to create a strong and prosperous Republic. Roosevelt died in 1794 and was replaced by Gouverneour Morris. Hamilton would later die in a duel with the Senator who replaced his father-in-law: Aaron Burr.

James Roosevelt (1760-1847)
For James Roosevelt, son of Isaac, there would be a large legacy to live up to. The son of a man who had risen both in business and in politics to become 2nd President of the Bank of New York and 1st United States Treasury Secretary, Isaac soon found himself engaged in politics. In 1796 he joined the New York State Assembly. In 1804, following a few years in the Assembly, and a couple as an Alderman in New York City, Roosevelt was elected Governor of New York as a Federalist in a three-way race with former Senator Aaron Burr and State Senator Morgan Lewis. In 1807 he lost re-election to Daniel D. Thompkins.

Retiring from politics for a spell and going back to banking, Roosevelt was elected President of the Bank of New York in 1809. A staunch supporter of President Madison in the election of 1812 against his fellow New Yorker DeWitt Clinton (who in fact was the nephew of the late Vice President George Clinton, a New York rival of Roosevelt when he'd been in politics), Roosevelt, through newspapers, begged other Federalists to stand up for their country instead of England and support President Madison. Madison went on to win the election narrowly. Later in life, as the Federalists died off, James Roosevelt become one of the many nationalist Republicans (to be later termed as Democratic-Republicans in order to make history less confusing). In 1815 with the War of 1812 over, James Monroe left the War Department. In order to help unify and strengthen his party, Madison selected Roosevelt to replace Monroe. James Roosevelt served as the nation's War Secretary from 1815 to 1817. Elected Governor of New York for a second term in 1822, Roosevelt's final political act would be to cast his vote as an elector in favor of Secretary of State John Quincy Adams of Massachusetts.

Isaac Roosevelt (1790-1863)
Isaac, unlike his namesake and his father, had little interest in politics. However, politics seemed to find him. Initially only serving in the New York State Assembly during the 1810's at the behest of family members, he found what he thoughts was his true calling as a banker and businessman, in fact being ranked as the richest man in the United States in 1819. However, the debate over slavery would find a place in his heart as he became an active abolitionist among New York's aristocracy. At the 1844 Whig National Convention, Isaac supported Daniel Webster and in 1845 he was elected a Senator from New York. In the Senate he campaigned fiercely for the abolitionist cause. Such was his prominence on the issue that his name was submitted to the 1848 Whig Convention. While not nominated for President, he did win the Vice Presidential nomination in a surprise. In all irony he found himself on a ticket that was being opposed by former President Van Buren, a man that Roosevelt had come to respect over the last eight years.

As Vice President, Roosevelt was kept largely out of the limelight. That all changed however on July 8th, 1850 with the sudden death of President Zachary Taylor....

To Be Continued....



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« Reply #1162 on: August 14, 2012, 02:30:54 PM »

With an anti-slavery Northern at the helm, congressional relations soon began to fall apart. Attempts at compromise made by "the triumvirate" were stalled due to the new President's abolitionist stance. With tensions growing greater by the day, it became clear that Roosevelt's administration would not be one of success. Nevertheless, he pressed on, continuing to veto attempts at compromise. Congressional negotiations came to a stand-still and it seemed that the only reason the nation hadn't begun to break apart was that those in the Senate had agreed to wait until after the 1852 elections to settle their disagreements.

The 1852 election found a President without a party. Roosevelt, forced to run on the Free Soil ticket for re-election, was going up against former Attorney General John Crittenden of Kentucky (W) and former Senator Franklin W. Pierce.

'Kay, I'm dragging this out longer than I should, so I'll just skip to the list.

12. Zachary Taylor (Whig-Louisiana) March 4, 1849-July 9, 1850
13. Isaac Roosevelt II (Whig/
Free Soil-New York) July 9, 1850-March 4, 1853
14. John J. Crittenden (Whig-Kentucky) March 4, 1853-March 4, 1857
15. Stephen Douglas (Democrat-Illinois) March 4, 1857-June 3, 1861
16. John C. Breckenridge (Democrat-Kentucky) June 3, 1861-March 4, 1865

17. Salmon P. Chase (Republican-Ohio) March 4, 1865-March 4, 1873
18. John Thompson Hoffman (Democrat-New York) March 4, 1873-March 4, 1877
19. Theodore Roosevelt I (Republican-New York) March 4, 1877-February 29, 1882
20. James A. Garfield (Republican-Ohio) February 29, 1882-March 4, 1885
21. Charles Foster (Republican-Ohio) March 4, 1885-March 4, 1889

22. David B. Hill (Democrat-New York) March 4, 1889-March 4, 1893
23. Thomas Bracket Reed (Republican-Maine) March 4, 1893-March 4, 1897
24. Thomas Watson (Populist-Georgia) March 4, 1897-March 4, 1901
25. Theodore Roosevelt II (Republican-New York) March 4, 1901-September 17, 1907
26. Joseph B. Foraker (Republican-Ohio) September 17, 1907-March 4, 1909


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« Reply #1163 on: August 14, 2012, 02:50:35 PM »

An Earlier Rise of the Roosevelts

Isaac Roosevelt (1726-1794)
In 1789, while searching for a Treasury Secretary, George Washington considered many folks. However, with Alexander Hamilton (the recommendation of Washington's first choice, Roger Morris) instead taking a seat in the United States Senate along side his father-in-law Phillip Schuyler, Hamilton recommended the former President of the Bank of New York and his former business partner Isaac Roosevelt. Roosevelt had been a longstanding politician in New York and was of course one of its foremost bankers. Dedicated to public service, Roosevelt agreed to take the position. With advice from his good friend Hamilton as well as ideas coming from Roger Morris (then a PA Senator), Roosevelt set out to create a strong and prosperous Republic. Roosevelt died in 1794 and was replaced by Gouverneour Morris. Hamilton would later die in a duel with the Senator who replaced his father-in-law: Aaron Burr.

James Roosevelt (1760-1847)
For James Roosevelt, son of Isaac, there would be a large legacy to live up to. The son of a man who had risen both in business and in politics to become 2nd President of the Bank of New York and 1st United States Treasury Secretary, Isaac soon found himself engaged in politics. In 1796 he joined the New York State Assembly. In 1804, following a few years in the Assembly, and a couple as an Alderman in New York City, Roosevelt was elected Governor of New York as a Federalist in a three-way race with former Senator Aaron Burr and State Senator Morgan Lewis. In 1807 he lost re-election to Daniel D. Thompkins.

Retiring from politics for a spell and going back to banking, Roosevelt was elected President of the Bank of New York in 1809. A staunch supporter of President Madison in the election of 1812 against his fellow New Yorker DeWitt Clinton (who in fact was the nephew of the late Vice President George Clinton, a New York rival of Roosevelt when he'd been in politics), Roosevelt, through newspapers, begged other Federalists to stand up for their country instead of England and support President Madison. Madison went on to win the election narrowly. Later in life, as the Federalists died off, James Roosevelt become one of the many nationalist Republicans (to be later termed as Democratic-Republicans in order to make history less confusing). In 1815 with the War of 1812 over, James Monroe left the War Department. In order to help unify and strengthen his party, Madison selected Roosevelt to replace Monroe. James Roosevelt served as the nation's War Secretary from 1815 to 1817. Elected Governor of New York for a second term in 1822, Roosevelt's final political act would be to cast his vote as an elector in favor of Secretary of State John Quincy Adams of Massachusetts.

Isaac Roosevelt (1790-1863)
Isaac, unlike his namesake and his father, had little interest in politics. However, politics seemed to find him. Initially only serving in the New York State Assembly during the 1810's at the behest of family members, he found what he thoughts was his true calling as a banker and businessman, in fact being ranked as the richest man in the United States in 1819. However, the debate over slavery would find a place in his heart as he became an active abolitionist among New York's aristocracy. At the 1844 Whig National Convention, Isaac supported Daniel Webster and in 1845 he was elected a Senator from New York. In the Senate he campaigned fiercely for the abolitionist cause. Such was his prominence on the issue that his name was submitted to the 1848 Whig Convention. While not nominated for President, he did win the Vice Presidential nomination in a surprise. In all irony he found himself on a ticket that was being opposed by former President Van Buren, a man that Roosevelt had come to respect over the last eight years.

As Vice President, Roosevelt was kept largely out of the limelight. That all changed however on July 8th, 1850 with the sudden death of President Zachary Taylor....

To Be Continued....

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« Reply #1164 on: August 14, 2012, 06:33:08 PM »

Clinton Dynasty

*No term limit amendment is passed. No one runs or successfully runs for a third term.

42. William J. Clinton - January 20, 1993 - January 20, 2005
43. Tommy G. Thompson - January 20, 2005 - January 20, 2009
44. Hillary R. Clinton - January 20, 2009 - January 20, 2013
45.  Michael D. Huckabee - January 20, 2013 - January 20, 2017
46. Hillary R. Clinton - January 20, 2017 - January 20, 2025
47. Marco Rubio - January 20, 2025 - January 20, 2033
48. Chelsea Victoria Clinton - January 20, 2033 - January  20, 2037

Losing Tickets:

1992 - President Ronald Reagan/Vice President George H.W Bush
1996 - Former Vice President George H.W Bush/Senator Dan Quayle
2000 - Senator Bill Frist/Governor George W. Bush

2004 - Vice President Albert J. Gore/Senator Bill Nelson
2008 - President Tommy Thompson/Vice President Mitt Romney
2012 - President Hillary R. Clinton/Vice President Tom Vilsack
2016 - President Michael D. Huckabee/Vice President Richard Burr
2020-  Governor Paul Ryan/Governor Charlie Crist

2024 - Kirsten Gillibrand/Debbie Wasserman Schultz


 
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« Reply #1165 on: August 14, 2012, 07:58:03 PM »

36. Barry Goldwater: 1965-1969
37. Edmund Muskie: 1969-1977
38. Ronald Reagan: 1977-1985
39. Jack Kemp: 1985-1993
40. Mario Cuomo: 1993-1997
41. Lamar Alexander: 1997-2011
42. Bill Clinton: 2001-2009
43. Howard Dean: 2009-2013
44. Mitt Romney: 2013-2021
45. Paul Ryan: 2021-2029

Losing Tickets:
1964: Kennedy/Humphrey
1968: Goldwater/Miller
1972: Nixon/Agnew
1976: Kennedy/Bayh
1980: Mondale/Udall
1984: Dukakis/Gore
1988: Clinton/Kerrey
1992: Dole/Specter
1996: Cuomo/Gore
2000: Alexander/Gingrich
2004: Bush/McCain
2008: Huckabee/Pawlenty
2012: Dean/Warner
2016: Clinton/Schweitzer
2020: O'Malley/Booker
2024: Booker/Gillibrand

No 22nd Amendment:

40. Ronald Reagan: 1981-1993
41. Mario Cuomo: 1993-2001
42. George W. Bush: 2001-2005
43. Bill Clinton: 2005-present
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« Reply #1166 on: August 16, 2012, 10:05:26 PM »
« Edited: August 17, 2012, 09:37:55 AM by Cathcon »

The Rise of the Populists

24. S. Grover Cleveland (Democrat-New York) March 4th, 1893-March 4th, 1897
25. Thomas Brackett Reed (Republican-Maine) March 4th, 1897-September 5th, 1901
26. Theodore Roosevelt (Republican-New York) September 5th, 1901-March 4th, 1909

27. William Jennings Bryan (Populist-Nebraska) March 4th, 1909-March 4th, 1925
28. Theodore Roosevelt (Republican-New York) March 4th, 1917-March 4th, 1917
29. Leonard Wood (Republican-New Hampshire) March 4th, 1921-March 4th, 1925

30. William Jennings Bryan (Populist-Nebraska) March 4th, 1925-July 26th, 1925
31. Eugene Foss (Populist-Nebraska) July 25th, 1925-March 4th, 1929

32. Herbert C. Hoover (Republican-California) March 4th, 1929-January 20th, 1937
33. Frank Knox (Republican-Illinois) January 20th, 1937-January 20th, 1941

34. Charles A. Lindbergh (Populist-Michigan) January 20th, 1941-January 20th, 1949
35. Robert La Follette Jr. (Populist-Wisconsin) January 20th, 1949-January 20th, 1953

36. George Marshall (Republican-Pennsylvania) January 20th, 1953-January 20th, 1961



1940 Election
The war in Europe soon became unpopular and with repeated losses under President Knox, protests soon began to swell. With Senator Lindbergh leading the charge on capitol hill, there was significant pressure to pull out, however, President Knox and the narrow Republican majority refused. With Republicans more unpopular than ever, the stage was set for a Populist re-emergence. In the 1940 election they  nominated their foreign policy leader Lindbergh along with Populist darling Robert La Follette Jr. The ticket was helped greatly when Republican Governor Henry Ford of Michigan endorsed it.

Senator Charles Lindbergh (P-MI)/Senator Robert La Follette Jr. (P-WI) 427 electoral votes, 55.3% of the popular vote
President Franklin Knox (R-IL)/Vice President James W. Wadsworth Jr. (R-NY) 104 electoral votes, 42.7% of the popular vote

1944
The last four years had been a disappointment. While America had withdrawn from the conflict and American boys were home safe, it was at a great cost internationally. As Germany continued to bombard England and Japan had gained a large foothold in mainland China, Secretary of State Ford had held firm in his conviction of American isolation. However, on the domestic front, little had been accomplished. While tariffs had been ramped up (much to the pleasure of Mid-Western Populists but not Western ones) and a large interstate highway system had been approved, not much had been done to directly improve the lives of the American people. With the Republican nomination of Governor Thomas Dewey of New York, a moderate in almost every way and therefore designed to win 51% of the American people, the Populists were on the run. However, Lindbergh remained determined and embarked on a cross-country tour. His speeches helped hold down the West--where poorer farmers had been dis-satisfied with the administration, the South, and of course part of his very own Mid-West. While Republicans captured the big vote states, Lindbergh's hard work had managed to creat a coalition to deliver him re-election.

President Charles Lindbergh (Populist-Michigan)/Vice President Robert La Follette Jr. (Populist-Wisconsin) 290 electoral votes, 49.8% of the popular vote
Governor Thomas Dewey (Republican-New York)/Governor John W. Bricker (Republican-Ohio) 241 electoral votes, 46.4% of the popular vote
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« Reply #1167 on: August 16, 2012, 11:41:05 PM »

List of Prime Ministers of America

1789-1797: George Washington (Independent)
1797-1804: Thomas Pinckney (Federalist)
1804-1805: Thomas Jeferson (Republican)
1805-1820: Alexander Hamilton (Federalist)
1820-1826: John Marshall (Federalist)

1826-1831: James Monroe (Republican)
1831-1831: William H. Crawford (Republican-States Rights coalition)

1831-1834: Henry Clay (Federalist-Free Soil coalition)
1834-1844: Henry Clay (Liberal Union)
1844-1850: Zachary Taylor (Liberal Union)
1850-1857: Winfield Scott (Liberal Union)
1857-1860: William Seward (Liberal Union)

1860-1861: Millard Filmore (Conservative)
1861-1871: John C. Frémont (Liberal Union)
1871-1873: Abraham Lincoln (Liberal Union)

1873-1877: Thomas Hendricks (Conservative-Nationalist coalition)
1877-1880: James Blaine (Liberal Union)
1880-1881: Samuel J. Tilden (Conservative-Nationalist coalition)
1881-1883: James Garfield (Liberal Union-Populist Democratic coalition)
1883-1890: James Garfield (Liberal Union)
1890-1892: John Sherman (Liberal Union)

1892-1893: David B. Hill (Conservative)
1893-1894: John Sherman (Liberal Union-Populist Democratic coalition)
1894-1898: Edward Bellamy (Populist Democratic-Socialist Labor coalition)
1898-1903: James B. Weaver (Populist Democratic)
1903-1909: Theodore Roosevelt (National war coalition]
1909-1914: Theodore Roosevelt (Liberal Union)
1914-1916: Leonard Wood (Nationalist)
1916-1922: Eugene Debs (Populist Labor)
1922-1932: Calvin Coolidge (National Liberal)
1932-1935: Upton Sinclair (Populist Labor-Communist coalition)
1935-1942: Upton Sinclair (Populist Labor)
1942-1950: Henry Wallace (Populist Labor)

1950-1955: Harry Truman (Whig-National Liberal coalition)
1955-1965: Richard Nixon (National Liberal)
1965-1976: Hubert Humphrey (Populist Labor)
1976-1978: Edmund Muskie (Populist Labor)
1978-1985: Gerald Ford (National Liberal)
1985-1990: George H.W. Bush (National Liberal)
1990-1998: Mario Cuomo (Populist Labor)
1998-2000: Paul Wellstone (Populist Labor)

2000-2009: Colin Powel (National Liberal)
2009-present: Russ Feingold (Populist Labor)
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« Reply #1168 on: August 17, 2012, 08:07:46 AM »

18. Ulysses S. Grant (Republican): 1869-1877
19. James G. Blaine (Republican): 1877-1881
20. Ulysses S. Grant (Republican): 1881-1881
21. Chester A. Arthur (Republican): 1881-1885

22. Grover Cleveland (Liberal): 1885-1893
23. William McKinley (Republican): 1893-1897
24. Grover Cleveland (Liberal): 1897-1905
25. Alton B. Parker (Liberal): 1905-1909

26. Charles E. Russell (Socialist): 1909-1925
27. Robert M. La Follette (Socialist): 1925-1925
28. Burton K. Wheeler (Socialist): 1925-1933

29. Eddie Rickenbacker (American): 1933-1953
Military governance until the restoration of elections in 1956.
30. Bob Taft (Liberal): 1957-1969
31. Nelson Rockefeller (Liberal): 1969-1977

32. Frank Zeidler (Socialist): 1977-1981
33. David McReynolds (Socialist): 1981-1985

34. Ronald Reagan (Liberal): 1985-1989
35. George H.W. Bush (Liberal): 1989-2001

36. Ralph Nader (Socialist): 2001-2009
37. Nikki Haley (Liberal): 2009-present
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« Reply #1169 on: August 18, 2012, 03:11:55 AM »
« Edited: August 18, 2012, 03:15:28 AM by Mister Mets »

Presidents/ Vice-Presidents of the United States
37. Vice-President Richard Nixon/ Governor Spiro Agnew of Maryland (1969-1973)
Richard Nixon gets away with Watergate, and is widely considered the best President since FDR.

37. Vice-President Richard Nixon/ Former Governor John Connally of Texas (1973-1976)
When Agnew resigns, Nixon is still popular enough to demand that the Senate confirm his first choice for Veep: Former Texas Governor and Secretary of the Navy John Connally.

38. Governor Ronald Reagan of California/ Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld of Illinois (1976-1984)
Connally chooses not to run for the Republican nomination for President, allowing Reagan to run as Nixon's successor in 1976. Connally serves as Secretary of State in the Reagan administration.
The 1976 Democratic ticket is Congressman Mo Udall of Arizona and Senator John Glenn of Ohio. They lose in a landslide.
The 1980 Democratic ticket is Senator Ted Kennedy of Massachusetts and Former Governor Jimmy Carter of Georgia. They lose a close election.

39. Senator Gary Hart of Colorado/ Senator Lloyd Bensen of Texas (1984-1988)
The 1984 Republican ticket is Vice-President Donald Rumsfeld of Illinois/ Senator Bob Dole of Kansas.

40. Former Vice-President/ Secretary of State John Connally of Texas/ Senator Dan Quayle of Indiana (1988-1993)
Connally pulls a comeback, defeating Senate Majority Leader Bob Dole to win the Republican primary. President Connally's popularity allows Christine Todd Whitman to defeat Senator Bill Bradley in a close election.
The 1992 Democratic ticket is Representative Dick Gephardt of Missouri/ Senator Joe Biden of Delaware.

41. Vice-President Dan Quayle/ Senator Bob Dole (1993-1996)
Quayle becomes President after Connally's sudden death in 1994. He is never as popular as Connally, and becomes the first President since Pierce to lose a presidential primary.
The 1996 Republican ticket is Senator Phil Gramm of Texas/ Senator Christine Todd Whitman of New Jersey.
The Republican brand was also hurt by new posthumous revelations about former President Nixon.

42. Senator Al Gore of Tennessee/ Former Governor Bill Clinton of Arkansas (1996-2004)
The 2000 Republican ticket is Speaker of the House Dick Cheney of Wyoming/ Governor Jeb Bush of Florida. Cheney defeated Massachusetts Senator Mitt Romney in the primary.
After Vice-President Bill Clinton's affair with Barbara Streisand is reported to the press, he agrees not to run for President.
The 2004 Democratic ticket is Attorney General Joe Lieberman/ Governor John Edwards of North Carolina.

43. General Colin Powell/ Senator Bill Frist of Tennessee (2004-2012)
The 2008 Democratic ticket is Senator Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas/ Senator Evan Bayh of Indiana.

The 2012 Republican ticket is Vice-President Bill Frist/ Governor Luis G. Fortuño of Puerto Rico.
The 2012 Democratic ticket is Senator Kirsten Gilibrand of New York/ Senator Joe Sestak of Pennsylvania.
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« Reply #1170 on: August 22, 2012, 02:16:55 PM »

1951 - 22nd Amendment ratified by 3/4ths of US States barring the President from serving consecutive terms.

President's of the United States

33. Harry S. Truman - April 12, 1945 – January 20, 1953
34. Dwight D. Eisenhower - January 20, 1953 - January 20, 1957
35. Adlai Stevenson - January 20, 1957 - January 20, 1961
36. Dwight D. Eisenhower - January 20, 1961 - November 22, 1963*
37. Richard M. Nixon - November 22, 1963 - January 20, 1969
38. Spiro Agnew - January 20, 1969 - September 4, 1971**
39.  Henry. A Kissinger - September 4, 1971 - January 20, 1973

40.  John F. Kennedy - January 20, 1973 - January 20, 1977
41. Henry M. Jackson - January 20, 1977 - January 20, 1981
42. John F. Kennedy - January 20, 1981 - March 30, 1981***
43. Daniel P. Moniyhan - March 30, 1981 - January 20, 1985

44. John Connally - January 20, 1985 - January 20, 1989
45. Robert F. Kennedy - January 20, 1989 - January 20, 1993
46.  Edward M. Kennedy - January 20, 1993 - January 20, 1997
47. Robert F. Kennedy - January 20, 1997 - January 20, 2001

48.  George W. Bush - January 20, 2001 - January 20, 2005
49. William J. Clinton - January 20, 2005 - January 20, 2009
50. Hillary R. Clinton - January 20, 2009 - January 20, 2013
51. William J. Clinton - January 20, 2013 - January 20, 2017


*Dies of heart attack, Nixon served less than half of his remaining term so he was allowed to run for the Presidency immediately following.
** - Resigns from office pending impeachment charges
***Assasinated

Defeated Tickets

1952 - Governor Adlai Stevenson/John Sparkman
1956 - Vice President Nixon/Senator Henry Cabot Lodge
1960 - Vice President Estes Kefauver/Senator John F. Kennedy
1964 - Former President Adlai Stevenson/Senator Lyndon B. Johnson
1968 - George McGovern/Edmund Muskie
1972 - Henry A. Kissinger/Ronald R. Reagan
1976 - Howard Baker/Edward Brooke

1980 - Charles Mathias/Robert Dole
1984 - Former President Henry M. Jackson/Robert F. Kennedy
1988 - Vice President George H.W Bush/Paul Laxalt
1992 - Paul Laxalt/Jack Kemp
1996 - Robert Dole/Newt Gingrich



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« Reply #1171 on: August 22, 2012, 04:28:13 PM »

How could Kissinger be President? Also, given alternate circumstances, I doubt Agnew would be even considered for VP, let alone President in 1968.
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« Reply #1172 on: August 22, 2012, 05:31:02 PM »

How could Kissinger be President? Also, given alternate circumstances, I doubt Agnew would be even considered for VP, let alone President in 1968.

Forgot he was German born. Oh well, I was just messing around a little.
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« Reply #1173 on: August 22, 2012, 05:35:50 PM »

How could Kissinger be President? Also, given alternate circumstances, I doubt Agnew would be even considered for VP, let alone President in 1968.

Forgot he was German born. Oh well, I was just messing around a little.

It'd still be cool to have a Kissinger Presidency, but sadly impossible. Tongue
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« Reply #1174 on: August 23, 2012, 06:01:32 PM »
« Edited: August 23, 2012, 07:42:21 PM by Comrade Funk »

If Americans Voted Today (no deaths/assassinations)

1789-1797: George Washington (Federalist)
1797-1809: Thomas Jefferson (Democratic-Republican)
1809-1817: James Madison (Democratic-Republican)
1817-1825: James Monroe (Democratic-Republican)
1825-1829: Henry Clay (Democratic-Republican)

1829-1833: John Quincey Adams (National Republican)
1833-1837: Henry Clay (National Republican)

1837-1845: Martin Van Buren (Democratic)
1845-1849: Henry Clay (Whig)
1849-1853: Martin Van Buren (Free Soil)
1853-1857: Winfield Scott (Whig)
1857-1861: John Fremont (Republican)
1861-1869: Abraham Lincoln (Republican)
1869-1877: Ulysses S. Grant (Republican)
1877-1881: Rutheford B. Hayes (Republican)

1881-1885: James Weaver (Greenback)
1885-1889: Benjamin Butler (Greenback)

1889-1893: Benjamin Harrison (Republican)
1893-1897: James Weaver (Populist)
1897-1905: William McKinley (Republican)
1905-1909: Theodore Roosevelt (Republican)

1909-1913: William Jennings Bryan (Democratic)
1913-1917: Theodore Roosevelt (Progressive)
1917-1921: Charles Evans Hughes (Republican)
1921-1925: James Cox (Democratic)
1925-1929: Robert La Follette (Progressive)
1929-1933: Al Smith (Democratic)
1933-1949: Franklin D. Roosevelt (Democratic)
1949-1953: Harry Truman (Democratic)

1953-1961: Dwight Eisenhower (Republican)
1961-1965: John F. Kennedy (Democratic)
1965-1969: Lyndon Johnson (Democratic)
1969-1973: Hubert Humphrey (Democratic)
1973-1977: George McGovern (Democratic)

1977-1981: Gerald Ford (Republican)
1981-1989: Ronald Reagan (Republican)
1989-1993: Michael Dukakis (Democratic)
1993-2001: Bill Clinton (Democratic)
2001-2005: Al Gore (Democratic)
2005-2009: John Kerry (Democratic)
2009-present: Barack Obama (Democratic)
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