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« Reply #1400 on: April 11, 2014, 12:57:11 PM »

Ford Re-Elected in 1976

38. Gerald R. Ford (1974-1981) Republican
39. James E. Carter, Jr. (1981-1989) Democratic
40. Birch E. Bayh, Jr. (1989-1993) Democratic

41. Peter B. Wilson (1993-1999)* Republican
42. Kay Bailey Hutchison (1999-2001) Republican

43. Birch E. Bayh III (2001-2009) Democratic

44. W. Mitt Romney (2009-2017) Republican
45. Barack H. Obama II (2017-2021) Republican

46. Stephanie Herseth Sandlin (2021-2029) Democratic
47. J. Heath Shuler (2029-2041)** Democratic


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« Reply #1401 on: April 11, 2014, 01:27:59 PM »

This reverses the pro-Sun Belt trend in American politics that existed from the 60's to 2008, instead replacing the two Californian Republican Presidents with New Yorkers, and pushing the pool of candidates North and East to New England. It would only be in 2008 that a Southerner was elected in his own right, and with a Westerner for Vice President. Conley beat Senator Nikki Tsongas to win the Democratic primary for president, and went onto win comfortably against the "RINO" John McCain.

37. Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY)/Howard Baker (R-TN) 1969-1975
38. Howard Baker (R-TN)/vacant, Barry Goldwater (R-AZ) 1975-1977

39. Philip W. Noel (D-RI)/Frank F. Church (D-ID) 1977-1981
40. John V. Lindsay (R-NY)/John Chafee (R-RI) 1981-1989
41. John Chafee (R-RI)/Nancy Landon Kassebaum (R-KS) 1989-1993

42. Paul Tsongas (D-MA)/Joseph I. Lieberman (D-CT) 1993-1997
43. Joseph I. Lieberman (D-CT)/vacant, Albert Gore (D-TN) 1997-2001

44. Lincoln Chafee (R-RI)/John Warner (R-VA) 2001-2009
45. Robert M. Conley (D-SC)/William Richardson (D-NM) 2009-Present

It would be interesting to see the losing candidates.


1972: Probably Senator Henry M. "Scoop" Jackson (D-WA)/Former Governor John B. Connally (D-TX) or something like that.
1976: President Howard H. Baker, Jr. (R-TN)/Governor Otis R. Bowen (R-IN). Pressure from party activists stopped the aging Goldwater to be renominated for Vice President.
1980: President Philip W. Noel (D-RI)/Vice President Frank F. Church (D-ID), some independent conservative ticket to combat the liberalism of the two major parties, Congresssman Philip Crane (I-IL)/Senator Harry F. Byrd, Jr. (I-VA)
1984: Senator Edward Zorinsky (D-NE)/Governor Martha Layne Collins (D-KY)
1988: Senator Albert Gore, Jr. (D-TN)/Former Governor Edward King (D-MA)
1992: President John Chafee (R-RI)/Vice President Nancy Landon Kassebaum (R-KS), Mr. Ralph Nader (I-CT)/Mr. H. Ross Perot (I-TX)
1996: Senator Richard Lugar (R-IN)/Former Governor Carol Campbell (R-SC), Mr. Ralph Nader (I-CT)/Ms. Winona LaDuke (I-MN)
2000: President Joseph I. Lieberman (D-CT)/Vice President Albert Gore, Jr. (D-TN), Mr. Patrick J. Buchanan (I-VA)/Former Congressman Robert Dornan (I-CA)
2004: Senator Zell Miller (D-GA)/Congressman Rudolph W. Giuliani (D-NY)
2008: Senator John S. McCain, III (R-AZ)/Senator Lisa Murkowski (R-AK)
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« Reply #1402 on: April 11, 2014, 02:29:15 PM »

25. William Jennings Bryan (D-NE) 1897-1905
26. Alton B. Parker (D-NY.) 1905-1909
27. William Jennings Bryan (D-NE) 1909-1913
28. Theodore Roosevelt (R-NY) 1913-1921
29. James M. Cox (D-OH) 1921-1929
30. Franklin Roosevelt (D-NY) 1929-1933
31. Herbert Hoover (R-CA) 1933-1949
32. Thomas Dewey (R-NY) 1949-1953
33. Adlai Stevenson (D-IL) 1953-1961
34. John Reed (R-NE) 1961-1969
35. Hubert Humphrey (Socialist-Farmer-Labor - MN) 1969-1977
36. Fred Abadie (R-MN) 1977-1981
37. Jack McGowan (SFL-CT) 1981-1989
38. Isaac King, Sr. (SFL-IA) 1989-1993
39. Judith "Judy" Stewart (R-ME) 1993-2001
40. Isaac King, Jr. (SFL-IA) 2001-2009
41. Eric Atchison (R-SC) 2009-
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« Reply #1403 on: April 11, 2014, 06:52:16 PM »

Ford Re-Elected in 1976

38. Gerald R. Ford (1974-1981) Republican
39. James E. Carter, Jr. (1981-1989) Democratic
40. Birch E. Bayh, Jr. (1989-1993) Democratic

41. Peter B. Wilson (1993-1999)* Republican
42. Kay Bailey Hutchison (1999-2001) Republican

43. Birch E. Bayh III (2001-2009) Democratic

44. W. Mitt Romney (2009-2017) Republican
45. Barack H. Obama II (2017-2021) Republican

46. Stephanie Herseth Sandlin (2021-2029) Democratic
47. J. Heath Shuler (2029-2041)** Democratic


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 Cool list and welcome to the forum! Smiley
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« Reply #1404 on: April 11, 2014, 07:57:54 PM »

Ford Re-Elected in 1976

38. Gerald R. Ford (1974-1981) Republican
39. James E. Carter, Jr. (1981-1989) Democratic
40. Birch E. Bayh, Jr. (1989-1993) Democratic

41. Peter B. Wilson (1993-1999)* Republican
42. Kay Bailey Hutchison (1999-2001) Republican

43. Birch E. Bayh III (2001-2009) Democratic

44. W. Mitt Romney (2009-2017) Republican
45. Barack H. Obama II (2017-2021) Republican

46. Stephanie Herseth Sandlin (2021-2029) Democratic
47. J. Heath Shuler (2029-2041)** Democratic


* impeached
** 22nd amendment repealed in 2033

 Cool list and welcome to the forum! Smiley

Couldn't help but notice Obama is a Republican in this timeline. Are the parties different in this scenario, or is Obama different?
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« Reply #1405 on: April 11, 2014, 10:08:06 PM »

George H.W. Bush / J. Danforth Quayle 1989-1997
Richard Gephardt* / Sam Nunn 1997-2005
Sam Nunn / John Kerry 2005-2009
Mark Sanford / Mitt Romney 2009-2013
Mitt Romney / Jim Talent 2013-2021

*assumed office after the death of President-elect Tsongas
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« Reply #1406 on: April 20, 2014, 06:42:18 PM »

Fmr. Gov. Mitt Romney (R-MA)/Fmr. Gov. Mike Huckabee (R-AR) 2009-2013
Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL)/Fmr. Gov. Kathleen Sibelius (D-KS) 2013-2017
Gov. Ken Cuccinelli (R-VA)/House Majority Whip. Cathy McMorris Rodgers (R-WA) 2017-2025
Gov. Kamala Harris (D-CA)/Gov. Beau Biden (D-DE) 2025-2029
Spkr. Justin Amash (R-MI)/Sen. Tim Scott (R-SC) 2029-2037
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« Reply #1407 on: April 20, 2014, 08:36:50 PM »

This reverses the pro-Sun Belt trend in American politics that existed from the 60's to 2008, instead replacing the two Californian Republican Presidents with New Yorkers, and pushing the pool of candidates North and East to New England. It would only be in 2008 that a Southerner was elected in his own right, and with a Westerner for Vice President. Conley beat Senator Nikki Tsongas to win the Democratic primary for president, and went onto win comfortably against the "RINO" John McCain.

37. Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY)/Howard Baker (R-TN) 1969-1975
38. Howard Baker (R-TN)/vacant, Barry Goldwater (R-AZ) 1975-1977

39. Philip W. Noel (D-RI)/Frank F. Church (D-ID) 1977-1981
40. John V. Lindsay (R-NY)/John Chafee (R-RI) 1981-1989
41. John Chafee (R-RI)/Nancy Landon Kassebaum (R-KS) 1989-1993

42. Paul Tsongas (D-MA)/Joseph I. Lieberman (D-CT) 1993-1997
43. Joseph I. Lieberman (D-CT)/vacant, Albert Gore (D-TN) 1997-2001

44. Lincoln Chafee (R-RI)/John Warner (R-VA) 2001-2009
45. Robert M. Conley (D-SC)/William Richardson (D-NM) 2009-Present

It would be interesting to see the losing candidates.


1972: Probably Senator Henry M. "Scoop" Jackson (D-WA)/Former Governor John B. Connally (D-TX) or something like that.
1976: President Howard H. Baker, Jr. (R-TN)/Governor Otis R. Bowen (R-IN). Pressure from party activists stopped the aging Goldwater to be renominated for Vice President.
1980: President Philip W. Noel (D-RI)/Vice President Frank F. Church (D-ID), some independent conservative ticket to combat the liberalism of the two major parties, Congresssman Philip Crane (I-IL)/Senator Harry F. Byrd, Jr. (I-VA)
1984: Senator Edward Zorinsky (D-NE)/Governor Martha Layne Collins (D-KY)
1988: Senator Albert Gore, Jr. (D-TN)/Former Governor Edward King (D-MA)
1992: President John Chafee (R-RI)/Vice President Nancy Landon Kassebaum (R-KS), Mr. Ralph Nader (I-CT)/Mr. H. Ross Perot (I-TX)
1996: Senator Richard Lugar (R-IN)/Former Governor Carol Campbell (R-SC), Mr. Ralph Nader (I-CT)/Ms. Winona LaDuke (I-MN)
2000: President Joseph I. Lieberman (D-CT)/Vice President Albert Gore, Jr. (D-TN), Mr. Patrick J. Buchanan (I-VA)/Former Congressman Robert Dornan (I-CA)
2004: Senator Zell Miller (D-GA)/Congressman Rudolph W. Giuliani (D-NY)
2008: Senator John S. McCain, III (R-AZ)/Senator Lisa Murkowski (R-AK)

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« Reply #1408 on: April 20, 2014, 09:17:12 PM »

Richard M. Nixon / Henry Cabot Lodge 1961-1963
Henry Cabot Lodge / vacant (1963-1965); Nelson A. Rockefeller (1965-1969) 1963-1969
John F. Kennedy / Richard Hanna (1969-1973); Thomas P. O'Neill (1973-1974) 1969-1974
Thomas P. O'Neill / Hubert H. Humphrey 1974-1977
George H.W. Bush / James L. Buckley 1977-1981
George S. McGovern / James E. Carter 1981-1989
James E. Carter / Albert A. Gore 1989-1993
Tommy G. Thompson / J. Danforth Quayle 1993-2001
John W. Carter / W. Hamilton Jordan 2001-2009
Michael S. Steele / John S. McCain 2009-2017
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« Reply #1409 on: April 20, 2014, 09:21:33 PM »

This reverses the pro-Sun Belt trend in American politics that existed from the 60's to 2008, instead replacing the two Californian Republican Presidents with New Yorkers, and pushing the pool of candidates North and East to New England. It would only be in 2008 that a Southerner was elected in his own right, and with a Westerner for Vice President. Conley beat Senator Nikki Tsongas to win the Democratic primary for president, and went onto win comfortably against the "RINO" John McCain.

37. Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY)/Howard Baker (R-TN) 1969-1975
38. Howard Baker (R-TN)/vacant, Barry Goldwater (R-AZ) 1975-1977

39. Philip W. Noel (D-RI)/Frank F. Church (D-ID) 1977-1981
40. John V. Lindsay (R-NY)/John Chafee (R-RI) 1981-1989
41. John Chafee (R-RI)/Nancy Landon Kassebaum (R-KS) 1989-1993

42. Paul Tsongas (D-MA)/Joseph I. Lieberman (D-CT) 1993-1997
43. Joseph I. Lieberman (D-CT)/vacant, Albert Gore (D-TN) 1997-2001

44. Lincoln Chafee (R-RI)/John Warner (R-VA) 2001-2009
45. Robert M. Conley (D-SC)/William Richardson (D-NM) 2009-Present

It would be interesting to see the losing candidates.


1972: Probably Senator Henry M. "Scoop" Jackson (D-WA)/Former Governor John B. Connally (D-TX) or something like that.
1976: President Howard H. Baker, Jr. (R-TN)/Governor Otis R. Bowen (R-IN). Pressure from party activists stopped the aging Goldwater to be renominated for Vice President.
1980: President Philip W. Noel (D-RI)/Vice President Frank F. Church (D-ID), some independent conservative ticket to combat the liberalism of the two major parties, Congresssman Philip Crane (I-IL)/Senator Harry F. Byrd, Jr. (I-VA)
1984: Senator Edward Zorinsky (D-NE)/Governor Martha Layne Collins (D-KY)
1988: Senator Albert Gore, Jr. (D-TN)/Former Governor Edward King (D-MA)
1992: President John Chafee (R-RI)/Vice President Nancy Landon Kassebaum (R-KS), Mr. Ralph Nader (I-CT)/Mr. H. Ross Perot (I-TX)
1996: Senator Richard Lugar (R-IN)/Former Governor Carol Campbell (R-SC), Mr. Ralph Nader (I-CT)/Ms. Winona LaDuke (I-MN)
2000: President Joseph I. Lieberman (D-CT)/Vice President Albert Gore, Jr. (D-TN), Mr. Patrick J. Buchanan (I-VA)/Former Congressman Robert Dornan (I-CA)
2004: Senator Zell Miller (D-GA)/Congressman Rudolph W. Giuliani (D-NY)
2008: Senator John S. McCain, III (R-AZ)/Senator Lisa Murkowski (R-AK)

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« Reply #1410 on: April 20, 2014, 09:28:22 PM »

This reverses the pro-Sun Belt trend in American politics that existed from the 60's to 2008, instead replacing the two Californian Republican Presidents with New Yorkers, and pushing the pool of candidates North and East to New England. It would only be in 2008 that a Southerner was elected in his own right, and with a Westerner for Vice President. Conley beat Senator Nikki Tsongas to win the Democratic primary for president, and went onto win comfortably against the "RINO" John McCain.

37. Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY)/Howard Baker (R-TN) 1969-1975
38. Howard Baker (R-TN)/vacant, Barry Goldwater (R-AZ) 1975-1977

39. Philip W. Noel (D-RI)/Frank F. Church (D-ID) 1977-1981
40. John V. Lindsay (R-NY)/John Chafee (R-RI) 1981-1989
41. John Chafee (R-RI)/Nancy Landon Kassebaum (R-KS) 1989-1993

42. Paul Tsongas (D-MA)/Joseph I. Lieberman (D-CT) 1993-1997
43. Joseph I. Lieberman (D-CT)/vacant, Albert Gore (D-TN) 1997-2001

44. Lincoln Chafee (R-RI)/John Warner (R-VA) 2001-2009
45. Robert M. Conley (D-SC)/William Richardson (D-NM) 2009-Present

It would be interesting to see the losing candidates.


1972: Probably Senator Henry M. "Scoop" Jackson (D-WA)/Former Governor John B. Connally (D-TX) or something like that.
1976: President Howard H. Baker, Jr. (R-TN)/Governor Otis R. Bowen (R-IN). Pressure from party activists stopped the aging Goldwater to be renominated for Vice President.
1980: President Philip W. Noel (D-RI)/Vice President Frank F. Church (D-ID), some independent conservative ticket to combat the liberalism of the two major parties, Congresssman Philip Crane (I-IL)/Senator Harry F. Byrd, Jr. (I-VA)
1984: Senator Edward Zorinsky (D-NE)/Governor Martha Layne Collins (D-KY)
1988: Senator Albert Gore, Jr. (D-TN)/Former Governor Edward King (D-MA)
1992: President John Chafee (R-RI)/Vice President Nancy Landon Kassebaum (R-KS), Mr. Ralph Nader (I-CT)/Mr. H. Ross Perot (I-TX)
1996: Senator Richard Lugar (R-IN)/Former Governor Carol Campbell (R-SC), Mr. Ralph Nader (I-CT)/Ms. Winona LaDuke (I-MN)
2000: President Joseph I. Lieberman (D-CT)/Vice President Albert Gore, Jr. (D-TN), Mr. Patrick J. Buchanan (I-VA)/Former Congressman Robert Dornan (I-CA)
2004: Senator Zell Miller (D-GA)/Congressman Rudolph W. Giuliani (D-NY)
2008: Senator John S. McCain, III (R-AZ)/Senator Lisa Murkowski (R-AK)

Hahahaha

Hmm?

I just found it amusing how everything parallels IRL but with the ideologies reversed (particularly the part about Goldwater being denied renomination and the two Chafee presidencies)
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« Reply #1411 on: April 20, 2014, 10:00:50 PM »
« Edited: April 20, 2014, 10:02:45 PM by Cathcon »

I see you have a similar model going, including the geographical components, albeit one where the time in power for parties is switched as opposed to mine which switches ideologies. Also pretty cool how you have the Bushes and Carters switched spots.
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« Reply #1412 on: April 22, 2014, 12:03:52 AM »

George Washington / John Adams 1789-1797
Thomas Jefferson / John Adams 1797-1801
John Adams / Alexander Hamilton (1801-1805); Charles Pinckney (1805-1809) 1801-1809
Charles Pinckney / Rufus King 1809-1817
Rufus King / John Q. Adams 1817-1825
Andrew Jackson / John C. Calhoun 1825-1829
John Q. Adams / John C. Calhoun (1829-1832); Henry Clay (1833-1837)
Henry Clay / John Tyler 1837-1841
William H. Harrison / James Buchanan 1841
James Buchanan / vacant 1841-1845
Daniel Webster / Theodore Frelinghuysen 1845-1849
Lewis Cass / William O. Butler 1849-1850
William O. Butler / vacant 1850-1853

Millard Fillmore / William A. Graham 1853-1857
John C. Fremont / William L. Dayton 1857-1861
John C. Breckinridge / Joseph Lane (1861-1865); Salmon P. Chase (1865)
Salmon P. Chase / vacant 1865-1869
George B. McClellan / Michael C. Kerr (1869-1873); B. Gratz Brown (1873-1877)
Thomas Bayard / Thomas Hendricks 1877-1881
George W. Pendleton / Grover Cleveland 1881
Grover Cleveland / vacant 1881-1885

Chester A. Arthur / Benjamin Harrison 1885-1886
Benjamin Harrison / vacant 1886-1889

Grover Cleveland / Allan G. Thurman 1889-1893
William McKinley / Levi Morton 1893-1897
John Palmer / Simon Bolivar Buckner 1897-1900
Simon Bolivar Buckner / Adlai Stevenson (1901-1909) 1900-1909
Adlai Stevenson / John W. Kern 1909-1913

Charles E. Hughes / Charles Fairbanks 1913-1921
James M. Cox / Franklin D. Roosevelt 1921-1929
Franklin D. Roosevelt / John N. Garner 1929-1933

Herbert Hoover / Charles Curtis (1933-1936); Henry A. Wallace (1937-1945); Thomas Dewey (1945-1949) 1933-1949
Thomas Dewey / Earl Warren 1949-1953

Dwight D. Eisenhower / Hubert H. Humphrey 1953-1961
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« Reply #1413 on: April 25, 2014, 08:22:53 PM »

CSA wins independence:

USA:
Abraham Lincoln (R-IL)/Hannibal Hamlin (R-ME) 1861-1881
James G. Blaine (R-ME)/Chester A. Arthur (R-NY) 1881-1889
Grover Cleveland (U-NY)/Allen G. Thurman (U-OH) 1889-1893
Robert Todd Lincoln (R-IL)/William McKinley (R-OH) 1893-1897
Grover Cleveland (U-NY)/Adlai Stevenson I(U-IL) 1897-1901
Robert Todd Lincoln (R-IL)/Henry Cabot Lodge (R-MA) 1901-1909
Charles Fairbanks (R-IN)/Theodore Roosevelt (R-NY)* 1909-1921
Thomas J. Walsh (PU-MT)/James Cox (U-OH) 1921-1933
James Watson (R-IN)/Hiram Johnson (PR-CA)* 1933-1949
Robert Taft (R-OH)/Harold Stassen (R-MN) 1949-1961
Adlai Stevenson II (U-IL)*/John Kennedy (U-MA) 1961-1965
John Kennedy (U-MA)/Hubert Humphrey (PU-MN) 1965-1973
George Romney (R-MI)/Edward Brooke (PR-MA) 1973-1981
Jerry Brown (U-CA)/Robert Kennedy (U-MA) 1981-1989
Paul Laxalt (R-NV)/Bob Dole (R-KS) 1989-2001
Hillary Rodham (U-NY)/Evan Bayh (U-IN) 2001-2009
Mitt Romney (R-MI)/Colin Powell (R-NY) 2009-2017

*Died in office
After the separation of USA and CSA, the northern democrats did not want the stigma of the name democrat, and changed their party name to Union.
There were Progressive wings of each party, hence the PU or PR.

CSA to come later.
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« Reply #1414 on: April 25, 2014, 08:33:32 PM »

CSA wins independence:

USA:
Abraham Lincoln (R-IL)/Hannibal Hamlin (R-ME) 1861-1881
James G. Blaine (R-ME)/Chester A. Arthur (R-NY) 1881-1889
Grover Cleveland (U-NY)/Allen G. Thurman (U-OH) 1889-1893
Robert Todd Lincoln (R-IL)/William McKinley (R-OH) 1893-1897
Grover Cleveland (U-NY)/Adlai Stevenson I(U-IL) 1897-1901
Robert Todd Lincoln (R-IL)/Henry Cabot Lodge (R-MA) 1901-1909
Charles Fairbanks (R-IN)/Theodore Roosevelt (R-NY)* 1909-1921
Thomas J. Walsh (PU-MT)/James Cox (U-OH) 1921-1933
James Watson (R-IN)/Hiram Johnson (PR-CA)* 1933-1949
Robert Taft (R-OH)/Harold Stassen (R-MN) 1949-1961
Adlai Stevenson II (U-IL)*/John Kennedy (U-MA) 1961-1965
John Kennedy (U-MA)/Hubert Humphrey (PU-MN) 1965-1973
George Romney (R-MI)/Edward Brooke (PR-MA) 1973-1981
Jerry Brown (U-CA)/Robert Kennedy (U-MA) 1981-1989
Paul Laxalt (R-NV)/Bob Dole (R-KS) 1989-2001
Hillary Rodham (U-NY)/Evan Bayh (U-IN) 2001-2009
Mitt Romney (R-MI)/Colin Powell (R-NY) 2009-2017

*Died in office
After the separation of USA and CSA, the northern democrats did not want the stigma of the name democrat, and changed their party name to Union.
There were Progressive wings of each party, hence the PU or PR.

CSA to come later.

Why is Lincoln so popular ITTL? It doesn't really make sense for a President who lost a war to be reelected four times...
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« Reply #1415 on: April 25, 2014, 08:46:07 PM »

CSA wins independence:

USA:
Abraham Lincoln (R-IL)/Hannibal Hamlin (R-ME) 1861-1881
James G. Blaine (R-ME)/Chester A. Arthur (R-NY) 1881-1889
Grover Cleveland (U-NY)/Allen G. Thurman (U-OH) 1889-1893
Robert Todd Lincoln (R-IL)/William McKinley (R-OH) 1893-1897
Grover Cleveland (U-NY)/Adlai Stevenson I(U-IL) 1897-1901
Robert Todd Lincoln (R-IL)/Henry Cabot Lodge (R-MA) 1901-1909
Charles Fairbanks (R-IN)/Theodore Roosevelt (R-NY)* 1909-1921
Thomas J. Walsh (PU-MT)/James Cox (U-OH) 1921-1933
James Watson (R-IN)/Hiram Johnson (PR-CA)* 1933-1949
Robert Taft (R-OH)/Harold Stassen (R-MN) 1949-1961
Adlai Stevenson II (U-IL)*/John Kennedy (U-MA) 1961-1965
John Kennedy (U-MA)/Hubert Humphrey (PU-MN) 1965-1973
George Romney (R-MI)/Edward Brooke (PR-MA) 1973-1981
Jerry Brown (U-CA)/Robert Kennedy (U-MA) 1981-1989
Paul Laxalt (R-NV)/Bob Dole (R-KS) 1989-2001
Hillary Rodham (U-NY)/Evan Bayh (U-IN) 2001-2009
Mitt Romney (R-MI)/Colin Powell (R-NY) 2009-2017

*Died in office
After the separation of USA and CSA, the northern democrats did not want the stigma of the name democrat, and changed their party name to Union.
There were Progressive wings of each party, hence the PU or PR.

CSA to come later.

Why is Lincoln so popular ITTL? It doesn't really make sense for a President who lost a war to be reelected four times...

The war went on a lot longer ITTL (British got involved), and his opposition was poor (transition from Democratic party to Union party.) Lincoln also brought the country out of a depression after the war ended.
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« Reply #1416 on: April 25, 2014, 09:06:40 PM »
« Edited: April 27, 2014, 11:33:40 PM by IDS Legislator Maxwell »

34. Dwight Eisenhower/Richard Nixon (1953-1961)
35. Richard Nixon/Henry Lodge (1961-1969)
36. John F. Kennedy/Hubert Humphrey (1969-1971)
37. Hubert Humphrey/Edmund Muskie (1971-1977)
38. Ronald Reagan/Dan Evans (1977-1981)
39. Robert F. Kennedy/Daniel P. Moniyhan (1981-1989)
40. Daniel P. Moynihan/Lloyd Bentsen (1989-1993)
41. Tom Kean/William Armstrong (1993-2001)
42. Al Gore/Joe Biden (2001-2009)
43. George Allen/John McCain (2009-2017)

Or

34. Dwight Eisenhower/Richard Nixon (1953-1961)
35. Richard Nixon/Henry Lodge (1961-1969)
36. Scoop Jackson/George Smathers (1969-1977)
37. Charles Mathias/Gerald Ford

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« Reply #1417 on: April 27, 2014, 11:42:59 PM »

36. John F. Kennedy/Hubert Humphrey (1969-1971)

Addison's Disease I'm guessing?
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« Reply #1418 on: April 28, 2014, 09:51:17 AM »

37. Ronald Reagan: 1969-1977
38. Edward Kennedy: 1977-1981
39. Jack Kemp: 1981-1989
40. Robert Dole: 1989-1997
41. Colin Powell: 1997-2005
42. William Jefferson Clinton: 2005-2013
43. Willard Mitt Romney: 2013-

1968:
Reagan v. Humphrey v. Wallace
R: 43% D: 42% I: 13%

1972:
Reagan v. McGovern
R: 61%
D: 38%

1976:
Kennedy v. Rockefeller
D: 50%
R: 49%

1980:
Kemp v. Kennedy
R: 51%
D: 48%

1984:
Kemp v. Udall
R: 59%
D: 40%

1988:
Dole v. Hart
R: 56%
D: 42%

1992:
Dole v. Tsongas
R: 58%
D: 41%

1996:
Powell v. Kerrey
R: 52%
D: 47%

2000:
Powell v. Gore
R: 51%
D: 48%

2004:
Clinton v. McCain
D: 49%
R: 48%

2008:
Clinton v. Crist
D: 51%
R: 47%

2012:
Romney v. Dean
R: 52%
D: 46%

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« Reply #1419 on: May 02, 2014, 12:26:56 PM »

8. Martin Van Buren (Democratic - NY) 1837-1841
9. Henry Clay (Whig - KY) 1841-1845
10. Martin Van Buren (Democratic - NY) 1845-1849
11. Henry Clay (Whig - KY) 1849-1852*
12. Abbott Lawrence (Whig - MA) 1852-1853
13. Lewis Cass (Democratic - MI) 1853-1857
14. Franklin Pierce (Democratic - NH) 1857-1861
15. William Seward (Whig - NY) 1861-1869
16. Ulysses Grant (Whig - OH) 1869-1877
17. James Blaine (Whig - ME) 1877-1881
18. Ulysses Grant (Whig - OH) 1881**
19. Levi P. Morton (Whig - NY) 1881-1885
20. Thomas F. Bayard (Democratic - DE) 1885-1889
21. John Sherman (Whig - OH) 1889-1893
22. Robert Crawford (Democratic - CT) 1893-1897***
23. Thomas B. Reed (Whig - ME) 1897-1902*
24. Curtis N. Chambers (Whig - CA) 1902-1909***
25. Joseph G. Cannon (Whig - IL) 1909-1913
26. J.R. Harrington (Democratic - CT) 1913-1921***
27. Lawrence Marshall (Whig - OR) 1921-1927****
28. W.R. Sanger (Whig - NJ) 1927-1929***
29. Alexander Williamson (Whig - VA) 1929-1933***
30. Lawrence Willkie (Labor - MI) 1933-1944****
31. Robert Wharton (Labor - IN) 1944-1953***
32. Charles West (Whig - ID) 1953****
33. Lawrence Hoffman (Whig - MA) 1953-1961***
34. Christopher Crawford (Labor - AL) 1961-1969***
35. Anthony Stewart (American - MN) 1969-1977***
36. Matthew Seigel (Labor - IL) 1977-1981***
37. Leonard Williams (American - OH) 1981-1989***
38. L. Schmidt Thompson (American -KS) 1989-1993***
39. Peter Owens (Labor - IL) 1993-1997****
40. David Stroup (Labor - OH) 1997-2001***
41. Albert Ferguson (American - VA) 2001-2009***
42. Catherine Hagan (Labor - MO) 2009-2017***

*Died in office.
**Assassinated.
***Fictional person born after the POD.
****Fictional person born after the POD/died in office.
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« Reply #1420 on: May 02, 2014, 01:10:59 PM »

The days are Cold

1945-1945: Franklin Delano Roosevelt**/Henry Wallace (Democrat)
1945-1949: Henry Wallace/Harry Truman (Democrat)

1949-1953: Robert Taft/Douglas MaCarthur (Republican)
1953-1961: Orson Welles/Wayne Morse (Independent)
1961-1965: Joseph McCarthy/John Stennis (Republican)
1965-1967: Joseph McCarthy**/John Stennis (Freedom)
1967-1969: John Stennis/George Wallace (Freedom)

1969-1970: Dean Rusk*/George McGovern (Democrat)
1970-1973: George McGovern/Shirley Chisholm (Democrat)
1973-1977: Eldridge Cleaver/Pat Brown (Reform)
1977-1982: John Ashbrook*/Ronald Reagen* (Freedom)
1982-1984: Strom Thurmond/Jesse Helms (Freedom)

1984: American Revolution Part Two, the United States splits in two between the United Socialist States (USS) and the Free States of America (FSA)

Chairmen of the USS
1985-1988: Jane Fonda (Labor)
1988-2014: Lyndon LaRouche (Labor)
2014-???: Lyndon LaRouche (Order)

Presidents of the FSA
1985-1992: Bruce Palmer (Conservative)
1993-2000: Jeff Bridges (Reform)
2000-2001: Tommy Franks (Conservative)
2001-???: Trent Lott (State's Rights)

*: Assassinated
**: Died in Office
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« Reply #1421 on: May 02, 2014, 07:11:23 PM »

Career of Barack Obama

January 3, 2005 - January 13, 2015: United States Senator from Illinois
2007-2008: Candidate for President of the United States, loses in close race with Hillary Clinton
January 13, 2015 - January 13, 2019: Governor of Illinois
2019 - 2020: Candidate for President of the United States
January 20, 2021 - January 20, 2025: President of the United States
2025 - 2028: Forgoes reelection campaign, Private citizen
2028: Candidate for President of the United States
January 20, 2029 - January 20, 2033: President of the United States

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« Reply #1422 on: May 02, 2014, 07:33:01 PM »

One term, unless nonconsecutive
Assume a constitutional amendment is passed during the Carter Administration only allowing one consecutive term. No bars on nonconsecutive terms.

39. Jimmy Carter - January 20, 1977 - January 20, 1981


40. Ronald Reagan - January 20, 1981 - January 20, 1985
Reagan defeats Vice President Mondale

41. George H.W Bush - January 20, 1985 - January 20, 1989
Former President Jimmy Carter is defeated by Vice President George H.W Bush

42. Michael Dukakis - January 20, 1989 - January 20, 1993
Governor Michael Dukakis defeats former President Ronald Reagan for a second term.

43. George H.W Bush - January 20, 1993 - January 20, 1997
Former President George H.W Bush defeats Vice President Bill Clinton becoming the first President to win two terms after the passage of the constitutional amendment.

44. John S. McCain - January 20, 1997 - January 20, 2001
Vice President John McCain defeats former President Michael Dukakis while losing the popular vote.

45. Paul Wellstone - January 20, 2001 - October 25, 2002
Senator Wellstone defeats Governor Christine Todd Whitman. Wellstone dies in an airplane crash in Minnesota while on a family trip.

46. Jeanne Shaheen - October 25, 2002 - January 20, 2005
Vice President Jeanne Shaheen assumes the presidency becoming the first female President of the United States. Senator Sam Nunn is chosen as her Vice President and confirmed by Congress.

47. Sam Nunn - January 20, 2005 - January 20, 2009
President Shaheen having served more than half of President Wellstone's term is unable to seek another term in 2004. Vice President Nunn wins the Democratic nomination and defeats former McCain Vice President William Weld.

48. William Weld - January 20, 2009 - January 20, 2013
Former President Shaheen wins the Democratic nomination and is defeated by 2004 Republican nominee and former Vice President William Weld.

49. Oliver L. North - January 20, 2013 - January 20, 2017
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« Reply #1423 on: May 04, 2014, 03:43:42 PM »

The Curse Never Dies...

40. Ronald Reagan* / George H.W. Bush January-April 1981
41. George H.W. Bush / Donald Rumsfeld 1981-1989
42. Donald Rumsfeld / Lamar Alexander 1989-1993
43. William J. Clinton / Albert A. Gore 1993-2001
44. George W. Bush^ / Richard B. Cheney 2001-2002
45. Richard B. Cheney / Rudolph Giuliani 2002-2009
46. Barack H. Obama / Joseph Biden 2009-present

*Assassinated by John Hinckley, Jr.
^Assassinated by a pretzel
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« Reply #1424 on: May 04, 2014, 05:24:41 PM »

The Curse Never Dies...

40. Ronald Reagan* / George H.W. Bush January-April 1981
41. George H.W. Bush / Donald Rumsfeld 1981-1989
42. Donald Rumsfeld / Lamar Alexander 1989-1993
43. William J. Clinton / Albert A. Gore 1993-2001
44. George W. Bush^ / Richard B. Cheney 2001-2002
45. Richard B. Cheney / Rudolph Giuliani 2002-2009
46. Barack H. Obama / Joseph Biden 2009-present

*Assassinated by John Hinckley, Jr.
^Assassinated by a pretzel
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