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« Reply #1550 on: December 24, 2014, 11:46:15 AM »

Ulysses Grant1 1869-1877
Rutherford Hayes2 1877-1881
James Garfield3 1881
Chester Arthur4 1881-1885

Grover Cleveland5 1885-1889; 1893-1897
Benjamin Harrison6 1889-1893

1 Popular general from most recent major conflict
2 Narrowly elected with accusations of fraud from opponents
3 Assassinated
4 Politically-connected Vice-President implementing goals of predecessor
5 The Comeback Kid
6 Spendthrift Republican leaving his successor to deal with economic crisis

Dude, those were OTL Presidents.

I was merely positing a hypothetical scenario where 1869-1897 Presidents mirrored 1953-1981 Presidents.

No you are not. You listed the OTL Presidents from 1869-1897. That is NOT a hypothetical scenario.

If you wanted Grant as an Eisenhower analogue, then a Democrat should be elected in 1876 and assassinated in 1879.
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« Reply #1551 on: December 26, 2014, 11:45:40 PM »

Ulysses Grant1 1869-1877
Rutherford Hayes2 1877-1881
James Garfield3 1881
Chester Arthur4 1881-1885

Grover Cleveland5 1885-1889; 1893-1897
Benjamin Harrison6 1889-1893

1 Popular general from most recent major conflict
2 Narrowly elected with accusations of fraud from opponents
3 Assassinated
4 Politically-connected Vice-President implementing goals of predecessor
5 The Comeback Kid
6 Spendthrift Republican leaving his successor to deal with economic crisis

Dude, those were OTL Presidents.

I was merely positing a hypothetical scenario where 1869-1897 Presidents mirrored 1953-1981 Presidents.

No you are not. You listed the OTL Presidents from 1869-1897. That is NOT a hypothetical scenario.

If you wanted Grant as an Eisenhower analogue, then a Democrat should be elected in 1876 and assassinated in 1879.

Fine, have it your way:

Ulysses Grant 1869-1877
Samuel Tilden 1877-1879
Thomas Hendricks 1879-1885

Rutherford Hayes 1885-1893
William Jennings Bryan 1893-1897
William McKinley 1897-1901
Theodore Roosevelt 1901-1909

Woodrow Wilson 1909-1917
Franklin Roosevelt 1917-1925


In retrospect, the IRL analogy becomes even stronger if you go further in time, with a conservative Republican elected to succeed the Democrat after the economic crisis, that conservative Republican coincidentally meeting an assassination attempt months after choosing an ideologically disparate VP (Reagan was luckier than McKinley), that VP ascending to the office himself, and a Southern Democrat elected after a split in the Republican vote.
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« Reply #1552 on: December 27, 2014, 04:28:02 PM »

23. Benjamin Harrison (Republican) 1889-1897
24. Chauncey Depew (Republican) 1897-1901
25. William Jennings Bryan (Democratic) 1901-1909
26. John Albert Johnson (Democratic) 1909-1917
27. Thomas Marshall (Democratic) 1917-1925
28. David Walsh (Democratic/Conservative Democrat) 1925-1929
29. Al Smith (Liberal) 1929-1937
30. Joseph Robinson (Liberal) 1937-1941
31. Phil Donnelly (Federalist) 1941*
32. Charles McNary (Federalist) 1941-1945
33. Franklin Roosevelt (Liberal) 1945-1949
34. Thomas Bell (Federalist) 1949-1950*
35. Gregory Scott (Federalist) 1950-1953
36. John McLean (Liberal) 1953-1957
37. Curtis Taylor (Liberal) 1957-1961
38. Lester Webb (Workers') 1961-1965**
39. Erik Wallace (Communard) 1965-1969
40. Stephen Huntington (Workers') 1969-1977
41. Daniel Navarro (Communard) 1977-1981
42. Stephen Huntington (Workers') 1981**
43. Henry "Hank" Kramer (Workers') 1981-1985
44. Leo Gonzales (Communard) 1985-1997
45. Scott Odegaard (Workers') 1997-2001**
46. John Taylor (Workers') 2001-2009
47. Harold Ferguson (Workers') 2009-2013
48. John Taylor (Socialist) 2013-
 
*Died in office.
**Assassinated.
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« Reply #1553 on: December 27, 2014, 05:39:12 PM »

Uber-hackery

26. Theodore Roosevelt (R): 1901-1921
27. Calvin Coolidge (R): 1921-1929
28. Al Smith (D): 1929-1933
29. Theodore Roosevelt, Jr. (R): 1933-1949
30. Harry S. Truman (D): 1949-1953
31. Dwight D. Eisenhower (R): 1953-1961
32. Richard M. Nixon (R): 1961-1994
33. Mitt Romney (R): 1994-2001
34. Bill Clinton (D): 2001-present
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« Reply #1554 on: December 28, 2014, 04:53:38 PM »

1. George Washington (Independent) 1789-1797
2. Thomas Jefferson (Democratic-Republican) 1797-1801
3. John Adams (Federalist) 1801-1809
4. James Madison (Democratic-Republican) 1809-1813
5. DeWitt Clinton (Democratic-Republican) 1813-1817
6. Rufus King (Federalist) 1817-1821
7. James Monroe (Democratic-Republican) 1821-1829
8. Andrew Jackson (Democratic-Republican, then Democratic) 1829-1833
9. Henry Clay (National Republican) 1833-1837
10. Martin Van Buren (Democratic) 1837-1845
11. Henry Clay (Whig) 1845-1849
12. Lewis Cass (Democratic) 1849-1853
13. Winfield Scott (Whig) 1853-1861
14. John Bell (Whig) 1861-1869
15. John C. Fremont (Republican) 1869-1877
16. Rutherford Hayes (Whig) 1877-1881
17. Winfield S. Hancock (Conservative) 1881-1885
18. James G. Blaine (Whig) 1885-1893*
19. Chauncey Depew (Whig) 1893
20. Benjamin Harrison (Liberal) 1893-1897
21. William McKinley (Liberal) 1897-1903**
22. Theodore Roosevelt (Liberal) 1903-1905
23. Grover Cleveland (Conservative) 1905-1913
24. Theodore Roosevelt (Liberal) 1913*
25. Hiram Johnson (Liberal) 1913-1921
26. Woodrow Wilson (Conservative) 1921-1923*
27. James Cox (Conservative) 1923-1925
28. Calvin Coolidge (Liberal) 1925-1929
29. Al Smith (Conservative) 1929-1933**
30. Joseph Robinson (Conservative) 1933-1937
31. Henry Breckinridge (Democratic) 1937-1943**
32. John Nance Garner (Democratic) 1943-1949
33. Strom Thurmond (Democratic) 1949-1953
34. Adlai Stevenson (Conservative) 1953*
35. John Sparkman (Conservative) 1953-1957
36. Harold Stassen (Whig) 1957-1961
37. Harry Byrd (Democratic) 1961-1963**
38. Barry Goldwater (Democratic) 1963-1969
39. Hubert Humphrey (Whig) 1969-1973
40. Richard Nixon (Liberal Conservative) 1973-1977
41. Jimmy Carter (Democratic) 1977-1981
42. George H.W. Bush (Liberal Conservative) 1981-1989
43. Michael Dukakis (Whig) 1989-1993
44. George H.W. Bush (Liberal Conservative) 1993-2001
45. Bill Bradley (Whig) 2001-2009
46. John McCain (Liberal Conservative) 2009-2013
47. Barack Obama (Whig) 2013-
 
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« Reply #1555 on: December 28, 2014, 05:01:16 PM »

1981-1987: Ronald Reagan (R-CA) (40)*
1987-1997: George Bush Sr. (R-TX) (41)

1997-2005: William Clinton (D-AR) (42)
2005-2009: George Bush Jr. (R-TX) (43)
2009-2017: Hillary Clinton (D-NY) (44)
2017-2025: John Ellis Bush (R-FL) (45)
2025: Chelsea Clinton (D-AR) (46)
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« Reply #1556 on: December 28, 2014, 08:26:26 PM »

A Tale of Two Dynasties

41. George H. W. Bush (R): 1989-1993
42. Bill Clinton (D): 1993-2001
43. George W. Bush (R): 2001-2009
44. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D): 2009-2017
45. John E. Bush (R): 2017-2025
46. Chelsea Clinton (D): 2025-2029
47. George P. Bush (R): 2029-2037
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« Reply #1557 on: December 29, 2014, 02:09:38 PM »

1. Benjamin Lincoln (Federalist-MA) 1789-1793
2. Thomas Jefferson (Republican-VA) 1793-1801
3. John Jay (Federalist-NY) 1801-1805
4. George Clinton (Republican-NY) 1805-1812*
5. James Madison (Republican-VA) 1812-1813
6. DeWitt Clinton (Republican-NY) 1813-1821
7. James Monroe (Republican-VA) 1821-1825
8. William Crawford (Republican-GA) 1825-1829
9. John Q. Adams (National Republican-MA) 1829-1833
10. William Wirt (Anti-Masonic-MD) 1833-1834*
11. Amos Ellmaker (Anti-Masonic, then Whig-PA) 1834-1845
12. Rudolph Neil (Whig-PA) 1845-1849
13. John O'Brien (People's-Tejas) 1849-1857
14. Andrew Hale (Liberty-MA) 1857-1861
15. Thomas Johnson (People's-Superior) 1861-1865
16. Preston Smith (Liberty-South California) 1865-1869
17. Joseph Maloney (People's-WI) 1869-1877
18. Lawrence Bauer (People's-MA) 1877-1881
19. James Bundy (Radical-IL) 1881-1889
20. Arnold Gass (Liberty-IL) 1889-1893
21. Peter Hart (Radical, then Radical People's-PA) 1893-1901
22. Bradford White (Liberty-MA) 1901-1905
23. Michael Berman (Radical People's-IL) 1905-1917
24. Henry Pinette (Workingmen's, then Socialist Labor) 1917-1925
25. Troy Wooten (Liberty-VT) 1925-1933
26. Eileen Flynn (Socialist Labor-Assibinia) 1933-1937
27. Carolyn Navarro (Liberty-Sequoyah) 1937-1941
28. Daniel Morgan (Socialist Labor-West Florida) 1941-1945
29. Susan Valdez (Liberty-OR) 1945-1949
30. Earl Bivens (Socialist Labor-CT) 1949-1953
31. Ellis Sanders (Liberty-WF) 1953-1957
32. Kathy Saucedo (Socialist Labor-Orleans) 1957-1965
33. Margaret Schroeder (Liberty-IL) 1965-1973
34. Michelle Shields (Liberty-MD) 1973-1977
35. Brian Whitaker (Socialist Labor-South California) 1977-1981
36. Sara Ingram (Liberty-Tejas) 1981-1989
37. Lisa Gardner (Socialist Labor-IL) 1989-1993
38. Celia Magnum (Independent Socialist-WI) 1993-1997
39. Philip Fisher (Liberty-OH) 1997-2001
40. Doris Wetmore (Independent Socialist-GA) 2001-2005
41. Angela Bachmann (Liberty-OH) 2005-2013
42. Russell Poole (Liberty-Superior) 2013-

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« Reply #1558 on: December 29, 2014, 03:13:26 PM »

John Kennedy / Al Gore, Sr. 1961-19631
Al Gore, Sr. / Hubert Humphrey (1965-1969) 1963-1969
George Romney / George H.W. Bush 1969-19772
George H. W. Bush / Bob Dole 1977-19813

Ted Kennedy / Gary Hart 1981-19894
Al Gore, Jr. / Bill Bradley 1989-19975

George W. Bush / Dick Cheney 1997-20056
Mitt Romney / John Danforth 2005-20097

Maria Shriver / Joe Biden 2009-20178

1Robert Kennedy's enmity toward Lyndon Johnson proved too much to overcome, and Senator Al Gore of Tennessee was selected instead to increase the Democratic ticket's appeal in the South.
2George Romney avoids major gaffes during the primary campaign and circumvents opposition from Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan. Romney seeks to mend ties with the conservative wing of the party by picking Texas congressman George Bush.
3With Romney's administration largely free of scandals, Bush is able to narrowly prevail over Scoop Jackson despite economic troubles and a gaffe-prone running mate.
4After twice passing on presidential bids, Ted Kennedy runs against nominal primary opposition, picks moderate Senator Gary Hart of Colorado as a running mate, and prevails over President Bush, saddled with stagflation and foreign policy blunders.
5The freshman Senator from Tennessee wins the nomination after the incumbent Vice-President becomes embroiled in a sex scandal. Gore narrowly prevails over Congressman Jack Kemp largely by focusing on social issues.
6With Republicans hard pressed for a respectable nominee, the party turns to newly-elected Governor George W. Bush of Texas, who narrowly defeats Vice-President Bradley, with Ralph Nader's third-party candidacy and Jeb Bush's Governorship of Florida playing no small role.
7Senator Mitt Romney becomes the Republican nominee after opposition from Senator McCain of Arizona and Mayor Giuliani of New York. Romney defeats Democratic doppelganger John Kerry in an election that is largely a referendum on the Bush administration's War on Terror.
8Governor Maria Shriver of California easily prevailed over incumbent Romney due to a combination of the aura of being the first female President and the global economic crisis.

Losing tickets:
1960: Richard Nixon / Henry Lodge
1964: Barry Goldwater / William Miller

1968: Hubert Humphrey / Edmund Muskie
1972: George McGovern / Sargent Shriver
1976: Henry Jackson / Lloyd Bentsen

1980: George Bush / Bob Dole
1984: Bob Dole / Jack Kemp
1988: Jack Kemp / Pete Wilson
1992: Elizabeth Dole / John McCain

1996: Bill Bradley / Bill Clinton
2000: Bill Clinton / Bob Graham
2004: John Kerry / John Edwards

2008: Mitt Romney / John Danforth
2012: Scott Romney / Jeb Bush
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« Reply #1559 on: January 12, 2015, 01:50:39 PM »

32. Franklin Roosevelt (D-NY) 1933-1945*
33. Harry Truman (D-MO) 1945-1949
34. Thomas Dewey (R-NY) 1949-1953
35. Adlai Stevenson (D-IL) 1953-1961
36. John Kennedy (D-MA) 1961-1963**
37. Lyndon Johnson (D-TX) 1963-1965
38. Barry Goldwater (R-AZ) 1965-1973***
39. George McGovern (D-SD) 1973-1977
40. Ronald Reagan (R-CA) 1977-1981
41. Ted Kennedy (D-MA) 1981-1989
42. Lloyd Bentsen (D-TX) 1989-1993
43. George W. Bush (R-TX) 1993-2001
44. John McCain (R-AZ) 2001-2005
45. Al Gore (D-TN) 2005-2009
46. Mitt Romney (R-MA) 2009-2017

Defeated tickets:

1948: Harry Truman of Missouri and Alben Barkley of Kentucky (D)
1952: Thomas Dewey of New York and Earl Warren of California (R)
1956: Harold Stassen of Minnesota and Richard Nixon of California (R)
1960: Richard Nixon of California and Henry Lodge of Massachusetts (R)
1964: Lyndon Johnson of Texas and Hubert Humphrey of Minnesota (D)
1968: Hubert Humphrey of Minnesota and Ed Muskie of Maine (D)
1972: Richard Nixon of California and Spiro Agnew of Maryland (R)
1976: George McGovern of South Dakota and Sargent Shriver of Maryland (D)
1980: Ronald Reagan of California and George H.W. Bush of Texas (R)
1984: George H.W. Bush of Texas and Dan Quayle of Indiana (R)
1988: Bob Dole of Kansas and Jack Kemp of New York (R)
1992: Lloyd Bentsen of Texas and Michael Dukakis of Massachusetts (D)
1996: Michael Dukakis of Massachusetts and Jesse Jackson of Illinois (D)
2000: Bill Clinton of Arkansas and Al Gore of Tennessee (D)
2004: John McCain of Arizona and Colin Powell of New York (R)
2008: Al Gore of Tennessee and Joe Lieberman of Connecticut (D)
2012: John Kerry of Massachusetts and John Edwards of North Carolina (D)

*Died in office
**Assassinated. Elected in 1960 in spite of losing the popular vote.
***Re-elected in 1968 in spite of losing the popular vote.
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« Reply #1560 on: January 13, 2015, 09:53:39 PM »

45. Mitt Romney: 2017-2021
46. Kirsten Gillibrand: 2021-2029
47. Tom Cotton: 2029-2037
48. Seth Moulton: 2037-2041
49. Unknown Democrat: 2041-2045
50. Unknown Republican: 2045-2053
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« Reply #1561 on: January 15, 2015, 02:33:13 PM »

No 22nd Amendment:
34. Dwight Eisenhower (R-NY)/Richard Nixon (R-CA): January 20, 1953-May 14, 1962*
35. Richard Nixon (R-CA)/Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. (R-MA): May 14, 1962-January 20, 1969

36. John F. Kennedy (D-MA)/Terry Sanford (D-NC): January 20, 1969-January 20, 1981
37. Ronald Reagan (R-CA)/George H.W. Bush (R-TX): January 20, 1981-January 20, 1993
38. Bill Clinton (D-AR)/ Al Gore (D-TN): January 20, 1993-January 20, 2009
39. Mitt Romney (R-MA)/Rick Santorum (R-PA): January 20, 2009-Present

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« Reply #1562 on: January 15, 2015, 04:35:41 PM »
« Edited: January 15, 2015, 04:44:30 PM by SirNick »

Point of Deviation - The attack on G.W Bush in Georgia (country) is successful.

Presidents of the United States

43. George W. Bush* - January 20, 2001 - May 10, 2005
44. Richard B. Cheney* - May 10, 2005 - February 8, 2011
45. Condolezza Rice - February 8, 2011 - January 20, 2017

46. Kirsten Gillibrand - January 20, 2017 - January 20, 2025



Bush: Assassinated in Georgia (country)

Cheney: Defeats Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton in 2008 despite losing the popular vote by a large margin. Cheney would later die in office of a heart attack. Both houses of Congress would flip to Democratic control in 2008.



(Above) Cheney beating Clinton in 2008 by 286-252 in the Electoral college but losing the popular vote 52-48.

Rice:  Rice defeats Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton by a narrow margin in both the popular vote and electoral college. Democrats would increase their majorities in Congress during Rice's term.



(Above) Rice defeating Clinton 276-262 in the Electoral College while also winning the popular vote by a slim margin (50.3% to 49%).


Gillibrand: Gillibrand would go on to defeat Rice's Vice President Mitt Romney in 2016, and then would defeat the Republican nominee and a strong third party challenger in 2020 by an overwhelming margin.



(Above) Gillibrand defeating Romney 435-103 in the Electoral College, and  60-40 in the popular vote, ending 16 years of GOP domination of the Presidency.
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« Reply #1563 on: January 15, 2015, 07:59:49 PM »

Nonrenewable 6 year presidential term selected at the Constitutional Convention

1. George Washington (Independent-VA) 1789-1795
2. John Adams (Federalist-MA) 1795-1801
3. Samuel Johnston (Federalist-NC) 1801-1807
4. Charles Cotesworth Pinckney (Federalist-SC) 1807-1813
5. Rufus King (Federalist-MA) 1813-1819
6. DeWitt Clinton (Federalist-NY) 1819-1825
7. Henry Clay (Federalist-KY) 1825-1831
8. John Quincy Adams (Federalist-MA) 1831-1837
9. John C. Calhoun (Federalist,then Conservative-SC) 1837-1843
10. Smith Thompson (Conservative-NY) 1843*
11. William C. Rives (Conservative-VA) 1843-1849
12. John Tyler (Conservative-VA) 1849-1855
13. James Buchanan (Conservative-PA) 1855-1861
14. Winfield Scott (Liberal-NJ) 1861-1865**
15. George Evans (Liberal-ME) 1866-1867
16. John P. Hale (Liberal-NH) 1867-1873
17. Robert M.T. Hunter (Conservative-VA) 1873-1879
18. George B. McClellan (Conservative-NJ) 1879-1881**
19. George H. Pendleton (Conservative-OH) 1881-1885
20. Joel Parker (Conservative-NJ) 1885-1889*
21. William H. English (Conservative-IN) 1889-1891
22. Robert T. Lincoln (Liberal-IL) 1891-1897
23. John J. Ingalls (Liberal-KS) 1897-1900*
24. William O. Bradley (Liberal-KY) 1900-1903
25. James B. Weaver (Reform-IA) 1903-1909
26. Theodore Roosevelt (Liberal-NY) 1909-1915
27. Carl D. Thompson (Socialist-WI) 1915-1921
28. Eugene Foss (Liberal-MA) 1921-1927
29. Homer S. Cummings (Liberal-CT) 1927-1933
30. Al Smith (Liberal-NY) 1933-1939
31. Norman Thomas (Socialist-NY) 1939-1945
32. William Z. Foster (Communist-IL) 1945***
33. Henry S. Breckinridge (American-NY) 1945-1951****
34. Millard E. Tydings (American-MD) 1951-1957
35. Thomas Dewey (American-NY) 1957-1963*****
36. Vincent Hallinan (Progressive-CA) 1963-1969
37. Richard Nixon (American-CA) 1969-1975
38. Barry Goldwater (American-AZ) 1975-1981
39. George McGovern (Progressive-SD) 1981-1987
40. Howard Baker (American-TN) 1987-1993
41. Jesse Jackson (Progressive-IL) 1993-1999
42. Gary Hart (Progressive-CO) 1999-2005
43. Jerry Brown (Progressive-CA) 2005-2011
44. Steve Forbes (Federalist-NY) 2011-2017

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Progressive Party - social liberalism, centrism
Americans United - right-wing populism
Independence Party - social liberalism
Workers' Party - democratic socialism, Marxism
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« Reply #1564 on: January 15, 2015, 10:51:12 PM »
« Edited: January 15, 2015, 11:05:18 PM by IDS Speaker Maxwell »

Two Two Term Presidents in Forty Years

Presidencies
1961-1965 - John F. Kennedy/Lyndon Johnson
1965-1969 - Bill Scranton/Barry Goldwater
1969-1973 - George McGovern/Robert Branigan
1973-1974 - Richard Nixon/Spiro Agnew
1974-1977 - Spiro Agnew/None
1977-1981 - Dan Evans/Howard Baker
1981-1989 - Robert Kennedy/Dale Bumpers
1989-1993 - Dale Bumpers/Al Gore
1993-1997 - William Armstrong/James Baker
1997-2001 - Ann Richards/Doug Wilder
2001-2009 - John Kasich/Elizabeth Dole

Defeated
1964 - John F. Kennedy/Lyndon Johnson
1968 - Bill Scranton/Barry Goldwater
1972 - George McGovern/Gaylord Nelson (Robert Branigan endorsed Nixon)
1976 - Scoop Jackson/Sam Nunn
1980 - Ronald Reagan/Bill Simon (beat Howard Baker in the primary)
1984 - Ronald Reagan/Majorie Holt
1988 - George Deukmejian/Sandra Day O'Connor
1992 - Dale Bumpers/Al Gore
1996 - William Armstrong/James Baker
2000 - Ann Richards/Doug Wilder
2004 - Wesley Clark/Patrick Leahy
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« Reply #1565 on: January 18, 2015, 04:11:47 PM »

1. George Washington (Independent) 1789-1797
2. John Adams (Federalist) 1797-1801
3. Thomas Jefferson (Republican) 1801*
4. Aaron Burr (Republican) 1801-1805
5. Charles Cotesworth Pinckney (Federalist) 1805-1809
6. George Clinton (Republican) 1809-1810*
7. James Madison (Republican) 1810-1813
8. DeWitt Clinton (Federalist) 1813-1817
9. Rufus King (Federalist) 1817-1821
10. John Q. Adams (Nationalist) 1821-1825**
11. Daniel Rodney (Nationalist) 1825-1829
12. William H. Harrison (Nationalist) 1829-1837
13. Martin Van Buren (Federalist) 1837-1841
14. William H. Harrison (Nationalist) 1841**
15. Francis Granger (Nationalist) 1841-1845
16. William L. Marcy (Federalist) 1845-1857
17. William L. Dayton (Nationalist) 1857-1861**
18. John C. Fremont (Nationalist) 1861-1869
19. Schuyler Colfax (Nationalist) 1869-1873
20. John C. Fremont (Radical) 1873-1881
21. James A. Garfield (Nationalist) 1881-1883*
22. Chester A. Arthur (Nationalist) 1883-1889
23. Walter Q. Gresham (Nationalist) 1889-1893
24. Robert M. La Follette (Radical) 1893-1905*
25. Theodore Burton (Radical) 1905-1913
26. Theodore Roosevelt (Nationalist) 1913-1921
27. David I. Walsh (Radical) 1921-1923**
28. James E. "Pa" Ferguson (Radical) 1923-1929
29. Warren G. Harding (Nationalist) 1929-1934***
30. Bertrand Snell (Nationalist) 1934-1937
31. Franklin Roosevelt (Radical) 1937-1941
32. John Steinbeck (Workers') 1941-1949
33. Dave Beck (Workers') 1949-1953
34. Howard Hughes (Independent, then American) 1953-1961
35. Robert Heinlein (Workers') 1961-1969
36. Arthur Fletcher (American) 1969-1977
37. Elizabeth Bloomer (American) 1977-1985
38. Michael Harrington (Workers') 1985-1989
39. Jeane Kirkpatrick (American) 1989-1993
40. Dick Gephardt (Workers') 1993-2001
41. Gary Locke (Workers') 2001-2009
42. Jesse Ventura (Independent) 2009-2017

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***Impeached and removed from office
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« Reply #1566 on: January 19, 2015, 01:36:14 PM »

1. George Washington (Independent) 1789-1797
2. John Adams (Federalist) 1797-1805
3. Charles Pinckney (Federalist) 1805-1813
4. DeWitt Clinton (Federalist) 1813-1817
5. Rufus King (Constitution) 1817-1825
6. Richard Stockton (Constitution) 1825-1829
7. Andrew Jackson (Patriot) 1829*
8. John Calhoun (Patriot) 1829-1833
9. Henry Clay (Constitution) 1833-1837
10. Martin Van Buren (Patriot) 1837-1838*
11. Richard M. Johnson (Patriot) 1838-1841
12. William H. Harrison (Constitution) 1841-1845
13. Henry Clay (Constitution) 1845-1849
14. John P. Hale (Freedom) 1849-1853**
15. Charles F. Adams (Freedom) 1853-1857
16. John C. Fremont (Freedom) 1857-1865
17. Abraham Lincoln (Freedom) 1865-1869
18. Ulysses S. Grant (Freedom) 1869**
19. Schuyler Colfax (Freedom) 1869-1873
20. Horace Greeley (Reform) 1873-1877
21. Rutherford B. Hayes (Freedom) 1877-1881
22. Horace Greeley (Reform) 1881-1885
23. James G. Blaine (Freedom) 1885-1889**
24. Levi P. Morton (Freedom) 1889-1897
25. William McKinley (Freedom) 1897-1901
26. William J. Bryan (Reform) 1901-1909
27. William H. Taft (Freedom) 1909-1911*
28. James S. Sherman (Freedom) 1911-1917
29. Charles E. Hughes (Freedom) 1917-1921
30. James Cox (Reform) 1921-1933*
31. John Nance Garner (Reform) 1933-1941
32. Wendell Willkie (Freedom) 1941-1949
33. Harry Truman (Reform) 1949-1951**
34. Alben W. Barkley (Reform) 1951-1957
35. Dwight Eisenhower (Freedom) 1957-1962***
36. Charles A. Halleck (Freedom) 1962-1965
37. Lyndon B. Johnson (Reform) 1965-1969
38. Richard M. Nixon (Freedom) 1969-1977
39. Spiro T. Agnew (Freedom) 1977-1981
40. James E. "Jimmy" Carter (Reform) 1981-1989
41. George H.W. Bush (Freedom) 1989-1997
42. Bill Clinton (Reform) 1997-2005

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« Reply #1567 on: January 23, 2015, 03:06:07 AM »

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34. Dwight Eisenhower / Richard Nixon      [Republican] 1953-1957

      Dwight Eisenhower / Prescott Bush      [Republican] 1957-1961

35. Prescott Bush / Barry Goldwater          [Republican] 1961-1965


36. Richardson Dilworth / Mike Mansfield    [Democrat]  1965 - 1973

37. Hubert Humphrey / Edmund Muskie     [Democrat]  1973 - 1977


38. George H. W. Bush / Bob Dole             [Republican] 1977-1981

39. Mo Udall / Lloyd Bentsen                     [Democrat]  1981 - 1989

40. Pierre S. du Pont / Pete Wilson             [Republican] 1989-1997

40. George W. Bush / Arlen Specter           [Republican] 1997-2001

41. Dick Gephardt / John Kerry                  [Democrat]  2001 - 2009

42. John McCain / Tim Pawlenty                 [Republican] 2009 -2013

43. Andrew Cuomo / Amy Klobuchar          [Democrat]  2013 - 2020

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« Reply #1568 on: January 23, 2015, 11:02:16 AM »

33. Harry S. Truman (Democrat-Missouri) April 12th, 1945-January 20th, 1949
34. Wendell Willkie (Liberal-New York)/Harold Stassen (Liberal-Minnesota) January 20th, 1949-October 8th, 1950
35. Harold Stassen (Liberal-Minnesota) October 8th, 1950-January 20th, 1953

36. Dwight D. Eisenhower (Republican-New York)/Richard M. Nixon (Republican-California) January 20th, 1953-September 24th, 1955
37. Richard M. Nixon (Republican-California) September 24th, 1955-January 20th, 1957

38. Joseph P. Kennedy, Jr. (Democrat-Massachusetts)/Lyndon B. Johnson (Democrat-Texas) January 20th, 1957-November 22nd, 1962
39. Lyndon B. Johnson (Democrat-Texas) November 22nd, 1962-January 20th, 1965

40. Hubert H. Humphrey (Liberal-Minnesota)/John V. Lindsay (Liberal-New York) January 20th, 1969
41. Richard M. Nixon (Republican-California)/Spiro T. Agnew (Republican-Maryland) January 20th, 1969-August 9th, 1972
42. Spiro T. Agnew (Republican-Maryland) August 9th, 1972-January 20th, 1973

43. Henry M. Jackson (Democrat-Washington)/James E. Carter (Democrat-Georgia) January 20th, 1973-January 20th, 1977
44. Barry M. Goldwater (Republican-Arizona)/Gerald R. Ford (Republican-Michigan) January 20th, 1977-March 30th, 1981
45. Gerald R. Ford (Republican-Michigan)/John Tower (Republican-Texas) March 30th, 1981-January 20th, 1985

46. Edward M. Kennnedy (Democrat-Massachusetts)/Thomas Eagleton (Democrat-Maryland) January 20th, 1985-January 20th, 1989
47. Lowell Weicker (Liberal-Connecticut)/J. Robert Kerrey (Liberal-Nebraska) January 20th, 1989-January 20th, 1997
48. William J. Clinton (Democrat-Arkansas)/Albert Gore, Jr. (Democrat-Tennessee) January 20th, 1997-January 20th, 2001
49. John S. McCain, III (Republican-Arizona)/George W. Bush (Republican-Texas) January 20th, 2001-January 20th, 2009
50. Barrack H. Obama, Jr. (Liberal-Illinois)/Larry Pressler (Liberal-South Dakota) January 20th, 2009-Present

2008
Senator Barrack H. Obama, Jr. (Liberal-Illinois)/Former Secretary of Defense Larry Pressler (Liberal-South Dakota) 292 electoral votes
Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton (Democrat-Arkansas)/Governor William Richardson (Democrat-New Mexico) 162 electoral votes
Vice President George W. Bush (Republican-Texas)/Secretary of State Joseph I. Lieberman (Independent-Connecticut) 84 electoral votes
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« Reply #1569 on: January 23, 2015, 11:55:08 AM »

Presidents
1962-1969 - Lyndon Johnson (D-TX)/Hubert Humphrey (D-MN)
1969-1971 - George Wallace (AI-AL)*/Colonel Sanders (AI-KY)
1971-1973 - Colonel Sanders (AI-KY)/None
1973-1977 - Colonel Sanders (AI-KY)/John Stennis (AI-MS)
1977-1981 - Frank Church (D-ID)/Dale Bumpers (D-AR)
1981-1989 - George H.W. Bush (R-TX)/Phil Crane (R-IL)
1989-1997 - Mario Cuomo (D-NY)/Bill Clinton (D-AR)
1997-2001 - Bill Clinton (D-AR)/Jay Rockefeller (D-WV)
2001-2005 - Mike Huckabee (AI-AR)/Rick Santorum (AI-PA)
2005-2009 - Bill Clinton (D-AR)/Joe Biden (D-DE)
2009-2017 - Mitch Daniels (R-IN)/Michael Bloomberg (R-NY)

Defeated Candidates
1968 - Hubert Humphrey (D-MN), Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY)
1972 - George McGovern (D-SD), Harold Stassen (R-MN)
1976 - Mark Hatfield (R-OR), George Mahoney (AI-MD)
1980 - Frank Church (D-ID), John T. Williams (AI-AZ)
1984 - Dale Bumpers (D-AR), Fob James (AI-AL)
1988 - Phil Crane (R-IL), John Stennis (AI-MS)
1992 - Pat Buchanan (R/AI-DC)
1996 - William Weld (R-MA), Mike Huckabee (AI-AR)
2000 - Bill Clinton (D-AR), Jim Edgar (R-IL)
2004 - Michael Bloomberg (R-NY), Mike Huckabee (AI-AR)
2008 - Joe Biden (D-DE), Rick Santorum (AI-PA)
2012 - Hillary Clinton (D-NY), David Duke (AI-LA)

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The failures of the Lyndon Johnson administration left the race wide open for President. In a major shock, Richard Nixon decides not to run for President, and instead Nelson Rockefeller defeats Ronald Reagan in the most contentious floor fight ever seen. Ronald Reagan, stung, refuses to endorse Rockefeller, calling him a "tax and spend coward". Hubert Humphrey, dealing with struggles on his own, falls behind in the polls too. It's the charismatic Colonel Sanders, who, after thinking long and hard, joins the George Wallace ticket and with financial backing, turns the racial ticket into a viable option. They perform pathetically outside of the native south, but win 38% of the vote and a good 230 Electoral votes, enough to wage a fight. Convincing conservatives that Rockefeller nor Humphrey will perserve their interests, Wallace wins in the Senate and Sanders in the House, and get sent to the White House.

Wallace is swiftly assassinated in November of 71, allowing Colonel Sanders to become President. Sanders, as a figure, made Americans more comfortable with the basically racist ticket, and his economic successes lend him few challengers. George McGovern, running on hard civil rights, gained a lead for a bit before completely collapsing. The Republican candidate, Harold Stassen, was a complete joke, and Sanders wins a good 48% of the vote - not enough to claim a majority, but a solid victory based on the sympathies of those who mourn Former President Wallace.

Sanders turns out to be a disaster in terms of managing the country, and by 1975 it's clear that Sanders couldn't even win re-nomination as a American Independent. Vice President John Stennis, still popular with the base and having cross-over appeal, decides not to run for President, leaving the fledgling fascist party in shambles. George Mahoney, Maryland perennial candidate, wins the nomination with 45% of the vote over several other perennial candidates, but it's already too late. Mahoney receives 8% of the vote, a stark drop from Sanders win. The main battle was between Republican moderate Mark Hatfield and Democratic liberal Frank Church. Church, campaigning on change in America, attacked Hatfield as not a stark enough change from Sanders. Church won by a narrow 1%, even though he led in polls by as much as 30% in September.

The American Independent Party from there went on a fact finding mission - should they be a racist, fascist organization? Or should they drift into the mainstream as a right-wing populist party. Mike Huckabee, a Governor of Arkansas and a pastor, moved the party to the mainstream and with the work of ally Former Congressman Rick Santorum, a former Republican moderate, turned the party into a christian coalition organization. In 1992, they pushed the nomination of Pat Buchanan as the Republican and the American Independent Nominee, and were successful in the mission, causing the Republicans to lose by a 2-1 margin. Then, in 1996, Huckabee ran his own campaign, taking 20% of the vote, the best performance for the party in a solo battle in years. Finally, in 2000, people had had enough of the affairs and the recession of President Bill Clinton, and Huckabee, running on fiscal reform, fair trade, and Clinton's digressions, won the Presidency with 35% of the vote to Clinton's 31% and Edgar's 29%.

Huckabee, however, also proved unpopular, making comments left and right offending each and every man, woman, and child, and so overescalating war effort in Iraq that it caused disaster. After a balanced budget in the Clinton administration, Huckabee went into double dip deficits, and the economy was sickly. Clinton, an oppurtunist as ever, made a substatial comeback against Huckabee, and though Huckabee won 28% of the vote, he barely held any electorals at all outside of the native southern base where the American Independent Party thrived.
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« Reply #1570 on: January 23, 2015, 02:22:55 PM »

Presidents
1962-1969 - Lyndon Johnson (D-TX)/Hubert Humphrey (D-MN)
1969-1971 - George Wallace (AI-AL)*/Colonel Sanders (AI-KY)
1971-1973 - Colonel Sanders (AI-KY)/None
1973-1977 - Colonel Sanders (AI-KY)/John Stennis (AI-MS)
1977-1981 - Frank Church (D-ID)/Dale Bumpers (D-AR)
1981-1989 - George H.W. Bush (R-TX)/Phil Crane (R-IL)
1989-1997 - Mario Cuomo (D-NY)/Bill Clinton (D-AR)
1997-2001 - Bill Clinton (D-AR)/Jay Rockefeller (D-WV)
2001-2005 - Mike Huckabee (AI-AR)/Rick Santorum (AI-PA)
2005-2009 - Bill Clinton (D-AR)/Joe Biden (D-DE)
2009-2017 - Mitch Daniels (R-IN)/Michael Bloomberg (R-NY)

Defeated Candidates
1968 - Hubert Humphrey (D-MN), Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY)
1972 - George McGovern (D-SD), Harold Stassen (R-MN)
1976 - Mark Hatfield (R-OR), George Mahoney (AI-MD)
1980 - Frank Church (D-ID), John T. Williams (AI-AZ)
1984 - Dale Bumpers (D-AR), Fob James (AI-AL)
1988 - Phil Crane (R-IL), John Stennis (AI-MS)
1992 - Pat Buchanan (R/AI-DC)
1996 - William Weld (R-MA), Mike Huckabee (AI-AR)
2000 - Bill Clinton (D-AR), Jim Edgar (R-IL)
2004 - Michael Bloomberg (R-NY), Mike Huckabee (AI-AR)
2008 - Joe Biden (D-DE), Rick Santorum (AI-PA)
2012 - Hillary Clinton (D-NY), David Duke (AI-LA)


At least Colonel Sanders would be one of the best-dressed Presidents.
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« Reply #1571 on: January 23, 2015, 02:25:49 PM »

33. Harry S. Truman (Democrat-Missouri) April 12th, 1945-January 20th, 1949
34. Wendell Willkie (Liberal-New York)/Harold Stassen (Liberal-Minnesota) January 20th, 1949-October 8th, 1950
35. Harold Stassen (Liberal-Minnesota) October 8th, 1950-January 20th, 1953

36. Dwight D. Eisenhower (Republican-New York)/Richard M. Nixon (Republican-California) January 20th, 1953-September 24th, 1955
37. Richard M. Nixon (Republican-California) September 24th, 1955-January 20th, 1957

38. Joseph P. Kennedy, Jr. (Democrat-Massachusetts)/Lyndon B. Johnson (Democrat-Texas) January 20th, 1957-November 22nd, 1962
39. Lyndon B. Johnson (Democrat-Texas) November 22nd, 1962-January 20th, 1965

40. Hubert H. Humphrey (Liberal-Minnesota)/John V. Lindsay (Liberal-New York) January 20th, 1969
41. Richard M. Nixon (Republican-California)/Spiro T. Agnew (Republican-Maryland) January 20th, 1969-August 9th, 1972
42. Spiro T. Agnew (Republican-Maryland) August 9th, 1972-January 20th, 1973

43. Henry M. Jackson (Democrat-Washington)/James E. Carter (Democrat-Georgia) January 20th, 1973-January 20th, 1977
44. Barry M. Goldwater (Republican-Arizona)/Gerald R. Ford (Republican-Michigan) January 20th, 1977-March 30th, 1981
45. Gerald R. Ford (Republican-Michigan)/John Tower (Republican-Texas) March 30th, 1981-January 20th, 1985

46. Edward M. Kennnedy (Democrat-Massachusetts)/Thomas Eagleton (Democrat-Maryland) January 20th, 1985-January 20th, 1989
47. Lowell Weicker (Liberal-Connecticut)/J. Robert Kerrey (Liberal-Nebraska) January 20th, 1989-January 20th, 1997
48. William J. Clinton (Democrat-Arkansas)/Albert Gore, Jr. (Democrat-Tennessee) January 20th, 1997-January 20th, 2001
49. John S. McCain, III (Republican-Arizona)/George W. Bush (Republican-Texas) January 20th, 2001-January 20th, 2009
50. Barrack H. Obama, Jr. (Liberal-Illinois)/Larry Pressler (Liberal-South Dakota) January 20th, 2009-Present

This would make an interesting timeline. My guess is that POD Willkie does not die of a heart attack in 1943 and joins the Liberal Party and/or he is not nominated by the Republicans for President in 1940.
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« Reply #1572 on: January 26, 2015, 09:43:48 AM »

28. Woodrow Wilson (Democratic-NJ) 1913-1917
29. Charles Evans Hughes (Republican-NY) 1917-1925
30. A. Mitchell Palmer (Democratic-PA) 1925-1933
31. Alben W. Barkley (Democratic-KY) 1933-1937
32. Theodore Roosevelt Jr. (Republican-NY) 1937-1943*
33. Harold Stassen (Republican-MN) 1943-1949
34. Harry S Truman (Democratic-MO) 1949-1953
35. Harold Stassen (Republican-MN) 1953-1961
36. Robert A. Smith (Labor-NH) 1961-1969
37. Joseph Johnson (Republican-PA) 1969-1977
38. Brian Morgan (Republican-CA) 1977-1981
39. James Davis (Labor-CA) 1981-1989
40. William Johnson (Republican-NH) 1989-1993
41. James Davis (Labor-CA) 1993-2001
42. Kim Wilburn (Republican-IL) 2001-2013
43. Dominick Booth (Republican-CA) 2013-2017
44. Marianne Mullins (Labor-NJ) 2017-2029
45. Dustin Lyman (Republican-MA) 2029-

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« Reply #1573 on: January 26, 2015, 08:27:06 PM »
« Edited: January 26, 2015, 08:32:39 PM by MW Rep BaconBacon96 »

37. Hubert Humphrey 1969*
38. William Westmoreland 1969-1973**
39. Curtis LeMay 1973-1974**
40. Ronald Reagan 1974-1977
41. Eugene McCarthy 1977-1985
42. John Kerry 1985-1989
43. Lamar Alexander 1989-1997
44. Bill Clinton 1997-2005
45. Mitt Romney 2005-2009
46. Barack Obama 2009-

* Deposed in coup
** Resigned from office

I might make a timeline out of this. The political implications of a coup in America would be interesting to explore.
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« Reply #1574 on: January 27, 2015, 07:49:20 AM »

39. Jimmy Carter (Democratic-GA) 1977-1985
40. George H.W. Bush (Republican-TX) 1985-1993
41. Bill Clinton (Democratic-AR) 1993-1998*
42. Al Gore (Democratic-TN) 1998-2001
43. John McCain (Republican-AZ) 2001-2005
44. John Edwards (Democratic-NC) 2005-2013
45. John Kerry (Democratic-MA) 2013-2017

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