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« on: April 11, 2014, 10:08:06 PM »

George H.W. Bush / J. Danforth Quayle 1989-1997
Richard Gephardt* / Sam Nunn 1997-2005
Sam Nunn / John Kerry 2005-2009
Mark Sanford / Mitt Romney 2009-2013
Mitt Romney / Jim Talent 2013-2021

*assumed office after the death of President-elect Tsongas
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« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2014, 08:36:50 PM »

This reverses the pro-Sun Belt trend in American politics that existed from the 60's to 2008, instead replacing the two Californian Republican Presidents with New Yorkers, and pushing the pool of candidates North and East to New England. It would only be in 2008 that a Southerner was elected in his own right, and with a Westerner for Vice President. Conley beat Senator Nikki Tsongas to win the Democratic primary for president, and went onto win comfortably against the "RINO" John McCain.

37. Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY)/Howard Baker (R-TN) 1969-1975
38. Howard Baker (R-TN)/vacant, Barry Goldwater (R-AZ) 1975-1977

39. Philip W. Noel (D-RI)/Frank F. Church (D-ID) 1977-1981
40. John V. Lindsay (R-NY)/John Chafee (R-RI) 1981-1989
41. John Chafee (R-RI)/Nancy Landon Kassebaum (R-KS) 1989-1993

42. Paul Tsongas (D-MA)/Joseph I. Lieberman (D-CT) 1993-1997
43. Joseph I. Lieberman (D-CT)/vacant, Albert Gore (D-TN) 1997-2001

44. Lincoln Chafee (R-RI)/John Warner (R-VA) 2001-2009
45. Robert M. Conley (D-SC)/William Richardson (D-NM) 2009-Present

It would be interesting to see the losing candidates.


1972: Probably Senator Henry M. "Scoop" Jackson (D-WA)/Former Governor John B. Connally (D-TX) or something like that.
1976: President Howard H. Baker, Jr. (R-TN)/Governor Otis R. Bowen (R-IN). Pressure from party activists stopped the aging Goldwater to be renominated for Vice President.
1980: President Philip W. Noel (D-RI)/Vice President Frank F. Church (D-ID), some independent conservative ticket to combat the liberalism of the two major parties, Congresssman Philip Crane (I-IL)/Senator Harry F. Byrd, Jr. (I-VA)
1984: Senator Edward Zorinsky (D-NE)/Governor Martha Layne Collins (D-KY)
1988: Senator Albert Gore, Jr. (D-TN)/Former Governor Edward King (D-MA)
1992: President John Chafee (R-RI)/Vice President Nancy Landon Kassebaum (R-KS), Mr. Ralph Nader (I-CT)/Mr. H. Ross Perot (I-TX)
1996: Senator Richard Lugar (R-IN)/Former Governor Carol Campbell (R-SC), Mr. Ralph Nader (I-CT)/Ms. Winona LaDuke (I-MN)
2000: President Joseph I. Lieberman (D-CT)/Vice President Albert Gore, Jr. (D-TN), Mr. Patrick J. Buchanan (I-VA)/Former Congressman Robert Dornan (I-CA)
2004: Senator Zell Miller (D-GA)/Congressman Rudolph W. Giuliani (D-NY)
2008: Senator John S. McCain, III (R-AZ)/Senator Lisa Murkowski (R-AK)

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« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2014, 09:17:12 PM »

Richard M. Nixon / Henry Cabot Lodge 1961-1963
Henry Cabot Lodge / vacant (1963-1965); Nelson A. Rockefeller (1965-1969) 1963-1969
John F. Kennedy / Richard Hanna (1969-1973); Thomas P. O'Neill (1973-1974) 1969-1974
Thomas P. O'Neill / Hubert H. Humphrey 1974-1977
George H.W. Bush / James L. Buckley 1977-1981
George S. McGovern / James E. Carter 1981-1989
James E. Carter / Albert A. Gore 1989-1993
Tommy G. Thompson / J. Danforth Quayle 1993-2001
John W. Carter / W. Hamilton Jordan 2001-2009
Michael S. Steele / John S. McCain 2009-2017
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« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2014, 09:28:22 PM »

This reverses the pro-Sun Belt trend in American politics that existed from the 60's to 2008, instead replacing the two Californian Republican Presidents with New Yorkers, and pushing the pool of candidates North and East to New England. It would only be in 2008 that a Southerner was elected in his own right, and with a Westerner for Vice President. Conley beat Senator Nikki Tsongas to win the Democratic primary for president, and went onto win comfortably against the "RINO" John McCain.

37. Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY)/Howard Baker (R-TN) 1969-1975
38. Howard Baker (R-TN)/vacant, Barry Goldwater (R-AZ) 1975-1977

39. Philip W. Noel (D-RI)/Frank F. Church (D-ID) 1977-1981
40. John V. Lindsay (R-NY)/John Chafee (R-RI) 1981-1989
41. John Chafee (R-RI)/Nancy Landon Kassebaum (R-KS) 1989-1993

42. Paul Tsongas (D-MA)/Joseph I. Lieberman (D-CT) 1993-1997
43. Joseph I. Lieberman (D-CT)/vacant, Albert Gore (D-TN) 1997-2001

44. Lincoln Chafee (R-RI)/John Warner (R-VA) 2001-2009
45. Robert M. Conley (D-SC)/William Richardson (D-NM) 2009-Present

It would be interesting to see the losing candidates.


1972: Probably Senator Henry M. "Scoop" Jackson (D-WA)/Former Governor John B. Connally (D-TX) or something like that.
1976: President Howard H. Baker, Jr. (R-TN)/Governor Otis R. Bowen (R-IN). Pressure from party activists stopped the aging Goldwater to be renominated for Vice President.
1980: President Philip W. Noel (D-RI)/Vice President Frank F. Church (D-ID), some independent conservative ticket to combat the liberalism of the two major parties, Congresssman Philip Crane (I-IL)/Senator Harry F. Byrd, Jr. (I-VA)
1984: Senator Edward Zorinsky (D-NE)/Governor Martha Layne Collins (D-KY)
1988: Senator Albert Gore, Jr. (D-TN)/Former Governor Edward King (D-MA)
1992: President John Chafee (R-RI)/Vice President Nancy Landon Kassebaum (R-KS), Mr. Ralph Nader (I-CT)/Mr. H. Ross Perot (I-TX)
1996: Senator Richard Lugar (R-IN)/Former Governor Carol Campbell (R-SC), Mr. Ralph Nader (I-CT)/Ms. Winona LaDuke (I-MN)
2000: President Joseph I. Lieberman (D-CT)/Vice President Albert Gore, Jr. (D-TN), Mr. Patrick J. Buchanan (I-VA)/Former Congressman Robert Dornan (I-CA)
2004: Senator Zell Miller (D-GA)/Congressman Rudolph W. Giuliani (D-NY)
2008: Senator John S. McCain, III (R-AZ)/Senator Lisa Murkowski (R-AK)

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Hmm?

I just found it amusing how everything parallels IRL but with the ideologies reversed (particularly the part about Goldwater being denied renomination and the two Chafee presidencies)
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« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2014, 12:03:52 AM »

George Washington / John Adams 1789-1797
Thomas Jefferson / John Adams 1797-1801
John Adams / Alexander Hamilton (1801-1805); Charles Pinckney (1805-1809) 1801-1809
Charles Pinckney / Rufus King 1809-1817
Rufus King / John Q. Adams 1817-1825
Andrew Jackson / John C. Calhoun 1825-1829
John Q. Adams / John C. Calhoun (1829-1832); Henry Clay (1833-1837)
Henry Clay / John Tyler 1837-1841
William H. Harrison / James Buchanan 1841
James Buchanan / vacant 1841-1845
Daniel Webster / Theodore Frelinghuysen 1845-1849
Lewis Cass / William O. Butler 1849-1850
William O. Butler / vacant 1850-1853

Millard Fillmore / William A. Graham 1853-1857
John C. Fremont / William L. Dayton 1857-1861
John C. Breckinridge / Joseph Lane (1861-1865); Salmon P. Chase (1865)
Salmon P. Chase / vacant 1865-1869
George B. McClellan / Michael C. Kerr (1869-1873); B. Gratz Brown (1873-1877)
Thomas Bayard / Thomas Hendricks 1877-1881
George W. Pendleton / Grover Cleveland 1881
Grover Cleveland / vacant 1881-1885

Chester A. Arthur / Benjamin Harrison 1885-1886
Benjamin Harrison / vacant 1886-1889

Grover Cleveland / Allan G. Thurman 1889-1893
William McKinley / Levi Morton 1893-1897
John Palmer / Simon Bolivar Buckner 1897-1900
Simon Bolivar Buckner / Adlai Stevenson (1901-1909) 1900-1909
Adlai Stevenson / John W. Kern 1909-1913

Charles E. Hughes / Charles Fairbanks 1913-1921
James M. Cox / Franklin D. Roosevelt 1921-1929
Franklin D. Roosevelt / John N. Garner 1929-1933

Herbert Hoover / Charles Curtis (1933-1936); Henry A. Wallace (1937-1945); Thomas Dewey (1945-1949) 1933-1949
Thomas Dewey / Earl Warren 1949-1953

Dwight D. Eisenhower / Hubert H. Humphrey 1953-1961
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« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2014, 11:42:59 PM »

36. John F. Kennedy/Hubert Humphrey (1969-1971)

Addison's Disease I'm guessing?
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« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2014, 03:43:42 PM »

The Curse Never Dies...

40. Ronald Reagan* / George H.W. Bush January-April 1981
41. George H.W. Bush / Donald Rumsfeld 1981-1989
42. Donald Rumsfeld / Lamar Alexander 1989-1993
43. William J. Clinton / Albert A. Gore 1993-2001
44. George W. Bush^ / Richard B. Cheney 2001-2002
45. Richard B. Cheney / Rudolph Giuliani 2002-2009
46. Barack H. Obama / Joseph Biden 2009-present

*Assassinated by John Hinckley, Jr.
^Assassinated by a pretzel
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« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2014, 11:03:37 AM »

Similar to my other alternate presidencies, but changing the results of every close election instead of just one:

Dwight EisenhowerRichard Nixon1953-1961
Richard NixonHenry Lodge1961-1969
Henry LodgeHoward Baker1969-1977
Howard BakerBob Dole1977-1981
Jerry BrownMo Udall1981-1989
Mo UdallJoe Biden1989-1993
Carroll CampbellConnie Mack1993-2001
Connie MackArlen Specter2001-2005
John KerryJohn Edwards2005-2009
Bobby JindalDan Quayle2009-2017

Losing tickets:
Adlai StevensonJohn Sparkman1952
Adlai StevensonEstes Kefauver1956
John KennedyLyndon Johnson1960
Eugene McCarthyWayne Morse1964
John KennedyHenry Jackson1968
George McGovernSargent Shriver1972
Jimmy CarterWalter Mondale1976
Howard BakerBob Dole1980
Bob DoleJack Kemp1984
George DeukmajianJohn Danforth1988
Mo UdallJoe Biden1992
Walter MondaleGeraldine Ferraro1996
Mark UdallLeon Panetta2000
Connie MackArlen Specter2004
Bill BradleyMartin O'Malley2008
Mark DaytonDebbie Wasserman Schultz2012
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« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2014, 12:02:43 AM »
« Edited: July 05, 2014, 01:02:21 AM by SPC »

Federation of New England and New York
Aaron Burr 1805-1813
Rufus King 1813-1817
DeWitt Clinton 1817-1825
John Quincy Adams 1825-1833
Martin Van Buren 1833-1841
Daniel Webster 1841-1845
Levi Woodbury 1845-1849
William Seward 1849-1853
John Hale 1853-1857
Charles Sumner 1857-1865

After 1861, the Federation becomes embroiled in a dispute over whether to allow the seceding Middle and Midwestern states to join the Federation. While some see annexation as a beneficial step for the Federation, others see it as a betrayal of the Federation's formation in protest of the expansionism of the United States.

Post-Secession United States
James Madison 1809-1817
James Monroe 1817-1825
Andrew Jackson 1825-1833
Thomas Benton 1833-1841
William Harrison 1841
John Tyler 1841-1845
James Polk 1845-1849
Lewis Cass 1849-1857
James Buchanan 1857-1861
John Breckinridge 1861-1869

Middle and Midwestern states secede after House of Representatives elects John Breckinridge over Abraham Lincoln and John Bell in 1861 contingent election.
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« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2014, 03:16:06 PM »

Post-Constitutional America

Richard Nixon September 11, 1973-January 1, 1991

In response to the "crisis", President Nixon dissolves Congress, the Supreme Court, and the state governments, re-organizing the United States into 10 administrative regions. With endorsements from both major parties, Nixon easily prevailed in a sham election against token opposition from former Georgia Governor Jimmy Carter in 1976, with all serious opposition figures imprisoned. Other than a Soviet-funded insurgency in Region I during the late 1970s, Nixon's rule had few internal conflicts. Throughout the late 1970s and 1980s, Nixon's power waned as his health deteriorated, with a power struggle occurring between several would-be successors, most notably Vice-President John Connally and Director of Central Intelligence George Bush.

George Bush January 1, 1991-December 31, 1999

Despite a promise to release opposition figures and hold multiparty democratic elections, President Bush ultimately reneged on this promise, citing the heightened security situation due to the Persian Gulf War as justification for maintaining the state of emergency. Bush faced major revolt in Watts and Miami toward the beginning of his tenure, although these were quickly suppressed by the Army. While Bush groomed his second son, Region IV governor John "Jeb" as a successor, Region VI governor George "Dubya" also vied for the position, and actively worked to undermine Jeb's position.

John "Jeb" Bush December 31, 1999-October 3, 2008

Jeb ultimately prevailed in the dynastic dispute, although he continued to face low-level opposition from his older brother throughout his tenure. While the 2001 attacks on the Pentagon and World Trade Center strengthened his position, an ill-conceived War in Iraq, poor response to a hurricane on the Gulf Coast, and an economic crisis spurred by Bush's pursuit of an "ownership society" enabled opposition movements to thrive.

Barack Obama October 3, 2008-present

Originally a low-level member of the United States People's Liberation Front, Obama quickly rose to leadership of the organization through a combination of an inspiring life story and ruthless purging of his rivals within the organization. Sensing an opportunity due to President Bush's unpopularity, Obama began an open revolt against the Bush regime in 2006, quickly seizing control of Region I and much of Regions V and IX. USPLF forces reached the heavily fortified capital in late 2008 and carried out mass executions of former members of the regime. Obama disappointed opposition members by failing to hold free and fair elections and continuing the imprisonment of political opponents. Due to his youth, many believe Obama will continue to serve for another 20-30 years, giving plenty of time to implement his collectivization programs.
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« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2014, 11:23:27 PM »

Richard M. Nixon / Henry Cabot Lodge 1961-1963
Henry Cabot Lodge / vacant (1963-1965); Nelson A. Rockefeller (1965-1969) 1963-1969
John F. Kennedy / Richard Hanna (1969-1973); Thomas P. O'Neill (1973-1974) 1969-1974
Thomas P. O'Neill / Hubert H. Humphrey 1974-1977
George H.W. Bush / James L. Buckley 1977-1981
George S. McGovern / James E. Carter 1981-1989
James E. Carter / Albert A. Gore 1989-1993
Tommy G. Thompson / J. Danforth Quayle 1993-2001
John W. Carter / W. Hamilton Jordan 2001-2009
Michael S. Steele / John S. McCain 2009-2017

Losing tickets:
1960: John F. Kennedy / Lyndon B. Johnson
1964: Eugene J. McCarthy / John M. Bailey
1968: Nelson A. Rockefeller / George Romney
1972: Ronald W. Reagan / Spiro T. Agnew John Eisenhower
1976: Thomas P. O'Neill / Robert C. Byrd
1980: George H.W. Bush / James L. Buckley
1984: James L. Buckley / W. Philip Gramm
1988: William P. Clements / Lowell P. Weicker
1992: James E. Carter / Albert A. Gore
1996: Robert C. Byrd / Richard A. Gephardt
2000: J. Danforth Quayle / Charles T. Hagel
2004: J. Richard Perry / John E. Ensign
2008: Joseph R. Biden / Edward M. Lamont
2012: Mark R. Warner / Ed L. Pastor
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« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2014, 07:54:51 PM »

Richard M. Nixon / Henry Cabot Lodge 1961-1963
Henry Cabot Lodge / vacant (1963-1965); Nelson A. Rockefeller (1965-1969) 1963-1969
John F. Kennedy / Richard Hanna (1969-1973); Thomas P. O'Neill (1973-1974) 1969-1974
Thomas P. O'Neill / Hubert H. Humphrey 1974-1977
George H.W. Bush / James L. Buckley 1977-1981
George S. McGovern / James E. Carter 1981-1989
James E. Carter / Albert A. Gore 1989-1993
Tommy G. Thompson / J. Danforth Quayle 1993-2001
John W. Carter / W. Hamilton Jordan 2001-2009
Michael S. Steele / John S. McCain 2009-2017

Losing tickets:
1960: John F. Kennedy / Lyndon B. Johnson
1964: Eugene J. McCarthy / John M. Bailey
1968: Nelson A. Rockefeller / George Romney
1972: Ronald W. Reagan / Spiro T. Agnew John Eisenhower
1976: Thomas P. O'Neill / Robert C. Byrd
1980: George H.W. Bush / James L. Buckley
1984: James L. Buckley / W. Philip Gramm
1988: William P. Clements / Lowell P. Weicker
1992: James E. Carter / Albert A. Gore
1996: Robert C. Byrd / Richard A. Gephardt
2000: J. Danforth Quayle / Charles T. Hagel
2004: J. Richard Perry / John E. Ensign
2008: Joseph R. Biden / Edward M. Lamont
2012: Mark R. Warner / Ed L. Pastor

This is pretty awesome. Love how the parallels come down to even the nixing of Reagan's running-mate in favor of a member of the deceased former President's (non-blood) family and the choice of Chuck Hagel as a counterpart to Joe Lieberman. Is there a former Steele Secretary of State leading the GOP polls right now?

I would suppose that would be Jeb Bush, who has a lot of support from having narrowly lost the 2008 nomination to Steele.
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« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2014, 10:41:36 AM »

This was going to be an idea for a new timeline, but another idea came up:

The Age of Al
George W. BushDick Cheney2001-2005
Al GoreJoe Lieberman2005-2009
Barack Obama2009-2013
Barack ObamaAnthony Weiner2013-2017
Chris Christie*Charlie CristJanuary-February 2017
Charlie Cristvacant2017-2021
Harold FordChris Murphy2021-2025

*Passed away after suffering an embolism during Inaugural Address

Losing Tickets
2000Al GoreJoe Lieberman
John McCain
Bill Bradley
2004George W. BushDick Cheney
2008John McCainSarah Palin
Ron PaulGary Johnson
2012Mitt RomneyPaul Ryan
Newt GingrichCharlie Crist
Rick SantorumPaul Ryan
2016Chris ChristieCharlie Crist
2020John McCainRodney Frelinghuysen



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« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2014, 08:32:19 PM »

Charlie Crist would not leave the Vice Presidency vacant.

Presumably the Republican congress stalled his nomination.
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« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2014, 11:46:35 PM »
« Edited: August 06, 2014, 11:58:54 PM by SPC »

The American Consulship

George Washington 1789-1799John Adams 1789-1826
Thomas Jefferson 1800-1826
Andrew Jackson 1826-1845John Quincy Adams 1826-1848
James Polk 1845-1849
James Buchanan 1849-1868Charles Francis Adams 1848-1886
Ulysses Grant 1868-1885
Grover Cleveland 1885-1908Benjamin Harrison 1887-1901
Theodore Roosevelt 1901-1919
William Howard Taft 1908-1930
Warren Harding 1919-1923
Herbert Hoover 1923-1964
Franklin Roosevelt 1930-1945
Thomas Dewey 1945-1971
Lyndon Johnson 1964-1973
Ronald Reagan 1971-2004Jimmy Carter 1973-present
George W. Bush 2004-present

Major Losing Candidates
1789: Unopposed
1789: George Clinton
1800: Charles Pinckney
1826: Henry Clay
1826: William Crawford
1845: Henry Clay
1848: Lewis Cass
1849: John Fremont
1868: Horatio Seymour
1885: James Blaine
1887: Allen Thurman
1901: William Jennings Bryan
1908: William Jennings Bryan
1919: William Jennings Bryan
1923: Al Smith
1930: William Borah
1945: Henry Wallace
1964: Richard Nixon
1971: Hubert Humphrey
1973: George H.W. Bush
2004: Al Gore
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« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2014, 10:10:57 AM »
« Edited: August 17, 2014, 05:13:12 PM by SPC »

Richard M. Nixon / Henry Cabot Lodge 1961-1963
Henry Cabot Lodge / vacant (1963-1965); Nelson A. Rockefeller (1965-1969) 1963-1969
John F. Kennedy / Richard Hanna (1969-1973); Thomas P. O'Neill (1973-1974) 1969-1974
Thomas P. O'Neill / Hubert H. Humphrey 1974-1977
George H.W. Bush / James L. Buckley 1977-1981
George S. McGovern / James E. Carter 1981-1989
James E. Carter / Albert A. Gore 1989-1993
Tommy G. Thompson / J. Danforth Quayle 1993-2001
John W. Carter / W. Hamilton Jordan 2001-2009
Michael S. Steele / John S. McCain 2009-2017

Losing tickets:
1960: John F. Kennedy / Lyndon B. Johnson
1964: Eugene J. McCarthy / John M. Bailey
1968: Nelson A. Rockefeller / George Romney
1972: Ronald W. Reagan / Spiro T. Agnew John Eisenhower
1976: Thomas P. O'Neill / Robert C. Byrd
1980: George H.W. Bush / James L. Buckley
1984: James L. Buckley / W. Philip Gramm
1988: William P. Clements / Lowell P. Weicker
1992: James E. Carter / Albert A. Gore
1996: Robert C. Byrd / Richard A. Gephardt
2000: J. Danforth Quayle / Charles T. Hagel
2004: J. Richard Perry / John E. Ensign
2008: Joseph R. Biden / Edward M. Lamont
2012: Mark R. Warner / Ed L. Pastor

Major primary opponents:
1964: Lyndon B. Johnson, Hubert H. Humphrey
1968: George S. McGovern, Hubert H. Humphrey, Edmund S. Muskie
Donald Nixon1, Barry Goldwater, Ronald Reagan
1972: Nelson Rockefeller, George Romney, Strom Thurmond, Howard Baker
1976: George S. McGovern
Howard Baker, Larry Pressler, Strom Thurmond, John Ashbrook, Jim McClure
1980: James Carter, Larry McDonald, John Connally
Edward Nixon, Larry Pressler
1984: Paul Laxalt, Pat Robertson, Harrison Schmidt, Ronald Reagan
1988: Robert C. Byrd, Jesse Jackson, Richard Gephardt
J. Danforth Quayle, Pat Robertson, Paul Laxalt, John S. McCain
1992: Larry Pressler, Orrin Hatch, Gordon Humphrey, Lamar Alexander
1996: Al Sharpton, Larry Flynt, Bob Kerrey
2000: Joe Biden
John Danforth
2004: John Ensign, Mark Sanford, Colin Powell
2008: Mark Warner, Russ Feingold, Dennis Kucinich
Jeb Bush, John Ensign
2012: Chris Dodd, Nancy Pelosi, Dennis Kucinich

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« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2014, 05:16:13 PM »

SPC, trying to work this out.

Lyndon Johnson = Henry Cabot Lodge, Jr.
Eugene McCarthy = Barry Goldwater
Hubert H. Humphrey = Nelson Rockefeller
George McGovern = Ronald Reagan
Edmund Muskie = George Romney
Nelson Rockefeller = Hubert H. Humphrey
Donald Nixon = Robert F. Kennedy
Barry Goldwater = Eugene McCarthy
Ronald Reagan = George McGovern
George Romney = Edmund Muskie
Strom Thurmond = George Wallace
Howard Baker = Henry M. Jackson
Larry Pressler = Jerry Brown
John Ashbrook = Morris Udall
James A. McClure = Frank Church
James Carter = George H.W. Bush
Larry MacDonald = John B. Anderson
John Connally =... John Connally?
Edward Nixon = Teddy Kennedy
Larry Pressler = Jerry Brown
Paul Laxalt = Gary Hart
Pat Robertson = Jesse Jackson
Harrison Schmidt = John Glenn
Robert Byrd = Bob Dole
Jesse Jackson = Pat Robertson
Richard Gephardt = Jack Kemp
J. Danforth Quayle = Albert Gore, Jr.
John S. McCain = Joe Biden
Orrin Hatch = Paul Tsongas?
Gordon J. Humphrey = Tom Harkin?
Lamar Alexander = Bob Kerrey
Al Sharpton = Patrick J. Buchanan
Larry Flynt = Steve Forbes
Bob Kerrey = Lamar Alexander
Joe Biden = John McCain
John Danforth = Bill Bradley
John Ensign = John Edwards
Mark Sanford = Howard Dean
Colin Powell = Wesley Clark
Mark Warner = Mitt Romney
Ed Doyle = Obviously Huckabee, but I can't find anything on him or even that he exists as a politician in this country.
Dennis Kucinich = Ron Paul
Jeb Bush =  Hillary Clinton
Chris Dodd = Rick Santorum
Nancy Pelosi = Newt Gingrich

Those are all right. I was thinking of Jim Doyle when choosing the gubernatorial successor to the 1992 victor, but Russ Feingold seems like a better Huckabee analogue.
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« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2014, 06:01:38 PM »

Washington Sets a Different Precedent...

George Washington 1789-1793
John Adams 1793-1797

George Clinton 1797-1801
Charles Pinckney 1801-1805
Rufus King 1805-1809

James Madison 1809-1813
James Monroe 1813-1817
William Crawford 1817-1821

John Quincy Adams 1821-1825
Andrew Jackson 1825-1829
John Calhoun 1829-1833
Martin Van Buren 1833-1837

William Henry Harrison 1837-1841
Henry Clay 1841-1845

James Polk 1845-1849
Zachary Taylor 1849-18501
Millard Fillmore 1850-1853

Franklin Pierce 1853-1857
James Buchanan 1857-1861

Abraham Lincoln 1861-1865
William Seward 1865-1869
Ulysses Grant 1869-18772
Rutherford Hayes 1877-1881
James Garfield 1881
Chester Arthur 1881-1885

Grover Cleveland 1885-1889
Benjamin Harrison 1889-1893
David Hill 1893-1897
William McKinley 1897-1901
Mark Hanna 1901
Theodore Roosevelt 1901-19053
William Taft 1905-1909

William Jennings Bryan 1909-1913
Charles Hughes 1913-19214
James Cox 1921-1925
Franklin Roosevelt 1925-19335

Herbert Hoover 1933-1937
William Borah 1937-1941

Cordell Hull 1941-1945
Thomas Dewey 1945-1949
Dwight Eisenhower 1949-1953

Adlai Stevenson 1953-1957
Estes Kefauver 1957-1961
John Kennedy 1961-1963
Lyndon Johnson 1963-1969

Richard Nixon 1969-1973
Ronald Reagan 1973-1977
Gerald Ford 1977-1981

Ted Kennedy 1981-1985
Walter Mondale 1985-1989
Michael Dukakis 1989-1993
Bill Clinton 1993-1997
Al Gore 1997-2001

John McCain 2001-2005
Rudy Giuliani 2005-2009
Mitt Romney 2009-2013
Tim Pawlenty 2013-2017



1 First President to die in office.
2 First President to seek (and win) an unprecedented second term.
3 Initially refuses to run for a full term, but immediately regrets it, setting Republicans up for the split vote in the 1908 election.
4 Runs for a second term due to a fear of changing leadership during the Great War.
5 Roosevelt's decision to seek a second term in 1928 leads to passage of the 22nd Amendment in 1939.
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« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2014, 04:56:23 PM »

John AdamsCharles Pinckney1797-1801
Thomas JeffersonGeorge Clinton11801-1809
George ClintonWilliam Crawford21809-1813
Rufus King3Timothy Pickering1813-1821
DeWitt Clinton4James Monroe1821-1829

1 George Clinton was selected to be Jefferson's running mate after negotiations with Burr fell through at the last minute, with Burr chastising Jefferson's agrarian, laissez-faire model as being "voodoo economics"
2 William Crawford, selected as Clinton's running mate to add geographic balance to the ticket, was largely ridiculed by the pamphlets of the day for his relative lack of governing experience.
3 Clinton's poor health, combined with frustration over his handling of the war with Britain and a third-party candidacy by John Randolph allowed a landslide win by the party previously left for dead.
4 The younger Clinton obtained two controversial election victories, one of which required the Supreme Court to rule on the admissibility of newly captured Florida's electoral votes.
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« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2014, 04:00:11 PM »

Considered making this a timeline, but considering my previous attempts at timelines from distant electoral history it is probably better I make a brief synopsis instead. Consider this a reboot of the "A Tale of Two Texans" timeline:

John Kennedy/Lyndon Johnson 1961-1965

Thought by virtually everyone to be a lock for reelection, Kennedy largely took a second term for granted against Barry Goldwater. Despite trailing by double digits in preelection polls, Goldwater secured a narrow victory in both the popular vote and the Electoral College, winning the key states of California (largely thanks to devoted campaigning by surrogates Governor Richard Nixon and actor Ronald Reagan), Texas (where Johnson's removal from the Democratic ticket stung the most), Illinois (where Dirksen helped more than expected and Daley underestimated the need for additional "help"), and every Southern state except North Carolina (which continued their post-1952 trend to the GOP.)

Barry Goldwater/Everett Dirksen 1965-1969

Large gains in the House and Senate gave the GOP only narrow minorities in both chambers, which allowed Goldwater to significantly rein in federal spending thanks to a coalition of conservative Republicans and Boll Weevil Democrats. However, a minor recession in 1966 restored Democrats' effective control of both chambers, which while falling short of veto-proof was substantive enough to thwart most of Goldwater's domestic agenda. In foreign policy, Goldwater's reputation as a loose cannon proved effective at bringing the North Vietnamese to the negotiating table, securing an armistice to the Vietnam conflict as well as a gradual withdrawal of American forces deployed there in 1964. Frustration with partisan gridlock propelled Governor Romney to a popular albeit ill-fated primary battle with the sitting President, draining resources from the tough general election to follow.

Lyndon Johnson/Hubert Humphrey 1969-1973

Ousted Vice-President Johnson proved a much more formidable opponent than the man who dumped him. Johnson easily bested primary opponents Senator Humphrey and Governor Sanford, touting his electability and ability to get things done. Although Johnson ruthlessly attacked the President for being ineffectual, stubborn, and crazy, Johnson's distastefulness kept the battle a close one. Ultimately, Johnson narrowly prevailed. However, Johnson did not have enough coattails to obtain substantial legislative majorities, leading to mixed success in implementing his Great Society agenda.

Richard Nixon/George Bush 1973-1981

The President's ailing health, renewed North Vietnamese attacks (and subsequent increased American involvement), a divided Democratic Party, and domestic civil unrest all worked to Governor Nixon's favor as he secured an impressive victory over Vice-President Humphrey. Nixon once again escalated the Vietnam conflict, launching a merciless bombing campaign against the North for violating the 1966 peace accord. The tide of the war appeared to have turned enough that Nixon implemented his plan of Vietnamization. On the domestic front, Nixon enacted wage and price controls and ended the Bretton Woods monetary system, while increasing efforts to desegregate the South. Events went downhill for Nixon after winning a landslide second term, as the culmination of an oil crisis, stagflation, the Iranian revolution, and scandals came to define his administration.

Jerry Brown/Walter Mondale 1981-

Nixon's successor to the California governorship ultimately became his successor to the Presidency, as public sentiment toward the outgoing administration proved so hostile that even Vice-President Bush's attacks on Brown's social liberalism and the October 28 release of American hostages from the Iranian embassy proved insufficient to overcome Brown's massive lead.

Defeated tickets:
1964: John Kennedy/Terry Sanford
1968: Barry Goldwater/Everett Dirksen
1972: Hubert Humphrey/Edmund Muskie
1976: Edmund Muskie/Henry Jackson
1980: George Bush/Donald Rumsfeld
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« Reply #20 on: December 06, 2014, 10:46:59 PM »

Presidents of the United States
Ronald Reagan 1981-1989
George H.W. Bush 1989-1993

Bill Clinton 1993-2001
George W. Bush 2001-2009
Orenthal J. Simpson 2009-present


Governors of California
George Deukmajian 1983-1991
Pete Wilson 1991-1999

Gray Davis 1999-2003
Orenthal J. Simpson 2003-2009
John Garamendi 2009-2011

Meg Whitman 2011-present

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« Reply #21 on: December 09, 2014, 06:05:55 PM »

It took me a while to recognize the parallel in the latter. Tongue
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« Reply #22 on: December 23, 2014, 06:44:21 PM »

Ulysses Grant1 1869-1877
Rutherford Hayes2 1877-1881
James Garfield3 1881
Chester Arthur4 1881-1885

Grover Cleveland5 1885-1889; 1893-1897
Benjamin Harrison6 1889-1893

1 Popular general from most recent major conflict
2 Narrowly elected with accusations of fraud from opponents
3 Assassinated
4 Politically-connected Vice-President implementing goals of predecessor
5 The Comeback Kid
6 Spendthrift Republican leaving his successor to deal with economic crisis
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« Reply #23 on: December 24, 2014, 10:18:19 AM »

Ulysses Grant1 1869-1877
Rutherford Hayes2 1877-1881
James Garfield3 1881
Chester Arthur4 1881-1885

Grover Cleveland5 1885-1889; 1893-1897
Benjamin Harrison6 1889-1893

1 Popular general from most recent major conflict
2 Narrowly elected with accusations of fraud from opponents
3 Assassinated
4 Politically-connected Vice-President implementing goals of predecessor
5 The Comeback Kid
6 Spendthrift Republican leaving his successor to deal with economic crisis

Dude, those were OTL Presidents.

I was merely positing a hypothetical scenario where 1869-1897 Presidents mirrored 1953-1981 Presidents.
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« Reply #24 on: December 26, 2014, 11:45:40 PM »

Ulysses Grant1 1869-1877
Rutherford Hayes2 1877-1881
James Garfield3 1881
Chester Arthur4 1881-1885

Grover Cleveland5 1885-1889; 1893-1897
Benjamin Harrison6 1889-1893

1 Popular general from most recent major conflict
2 Narrowly elected with accusations of fraud from opponents
3 Assassinated
4 Politically-connected Vice-President implementing goals of predecessor
5 The Comeback Kid
6 Spendthrift Republican leaving his successor to deal with economic crisis

Dude, those were OTL Presidents.

I was merely positing a hypothetical scenario where 1869-1897 Presidents mirrored 1953-1981 Presidents.

No you are not. You listed the OTL Presidents from 1869-1897. That is NOT a hypothetical scenario.

If you wanted Grant as an Eisenhower analogue, then a Democrat should be elected in 1876 and assassinated in 1879.

Fine, have it your way:

Ulysses Grant 1869-1877
Samuel Tilden 1877-1879
Thomas Hendricks 1879-1885

Rutherford Hayes 1885-1893
William Jennings Bryan 1893-1897
William McKinley 1897-1901
Theodore Roosevelt 1901-1909

Woodrow Wilson 1909-1917
Franklin Roosevelt 1917-1925


In retrospect, the IRL analogy becomes even stronger if you go further in time, with a conservative Republican elected to succeed the Democrat after the economic crisis, that conservative Republican coincidentally meeting an assassination attempt months after choosing an ideologically disparate VP (Reagan was luckier than McKinley), that VP ascending to the office himself, and a Southern Democrat elected after a split in the Republican vote.
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