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« on: January 21, 2009, 11:23:51 PM »

35th: John F. Kennedy (1961-1969)
36th: Lyndon B. Johnson (1969-1972, dies of heart attack)
37th: Henry "Scoop" Jackson (1972-1977)
38th: Ronald Reagan (1977-1985)
39th: Robert F. Kennedy (1985-1993)
40th: Lamar Alexander (1993-1997)
41st: Dianne Feinstein (1997-2005)
42nd: John McCain (2005-2009)
43rd: Bill Clinton (2009-present)
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« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2009, 02:11:41 PM »

This is "what if Nixon beat Kennedy in 1960". 

35. President Richard Nixon - 1961 - 1963
*Nixon assassinated by a crazy Lee Harvey Oswald
36. President Henry Cabot Lodge Jr - 1963 - 1969
37. President John Kennedy - 1969 - 1977
38. President Ronald Reagan - 1977 - 1985
39. President Robert Kennedy - 1985 - 1993
40. President Lloyd Bentsen - 1993 - 2001
41. President John McCain - 2001 - 2005
42. President Bill Clinton - 2005 - 2013

Who is Clinton's Vice President?
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« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2009, 12:52:11 PM »

1953-57 Eisenhower. CJ Vinson lives
1957-61 Warren
61-69 JFK/LBJ
69-73 Albert Gore Sr.


1973-1979 Richard Nixon (1)
1979-1981 Charles Percy (2)
1981-1989 Robert F. Kennedy
1989-1993 Bill Clinton (3)
1993-2001 John Warner
2001-2009 John Kerry (4)
2009-present Rudy Giuliani

(1) died from complications of phlebitis and stress caused by backlash in admitting Shah of Iran into the US for medical reasons and subsequent hostage crisis at the US Embassy in Tehran.

(2) VP under Nixon. Selected Bob Dole as Vice President. Criticized for his pro-Arab foreign policies and Marine helicopter crash in the Iranian desert.

(3) Ran for President when Vice President Jimmy Carter decided not to run. Clinton picked John Kerry as his running mate. Extramarital scandals and use of White House bedrooms by political donors led to his re-election defeat.

(4) Defeated Vice President John McCain in 2000. Launched War on Terrorism after 9/11/01. Defeated Taliban and al-Qaeda in Afghanistan and captured Osama bin Laden who was tried in the US personally by Attorney General Bill Weld. Bin Laden was executed in 2003. Secretary of Defense Sam Nunn advised Kerry against starting war with Iraq but approved gun running operations by CIA that resulted in Saddam's overthrow in 2004 and declaration of Kurdish Republic. Recession of late 2008 hurt campaign of Democratic nominee and former Secretary of State Bill Richardson.
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« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2009, 06:36:25 PM »

Kerry's Vice President was Albert Gore Jr. Gore was elected US Senator from Tennessee in 1984 and serve there until he resigned in 2001 to assume the Vice Presidency.

Gore had previously run for President in 1988 and 2000. In his third try for the White House in 2008, he was the frontrunner until the Iowa caucuses that Bill Richardson won by about 250 votes over Gore.

From there, Gore's campaign went downhill. Richardson would win the New Hampshire primary. But on Super Tuesday, Gore was only able to win the states of Florida, Kentucky and Tennessee. Richardson won the remaining states and Gore dropped out at the end of March. Richardson selected Governor Kathleen Kennedy Townsend of Maryland as his running mate. She became the first woman nominated for Vice President on a major ticket.

Rudy Giuliani selected Senator Condoleeza Rice of California (former Secretary of State in the John Warner administration) as his running mate. His choice helped Giuliani win over 30% of the African-American vote and split the female vote with Richardson.

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« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2009, 09:10:27 AM »

Kerry's Vice President was Albert Gore Jr. Gore was elected US Senator from Tennessee in 1984 and serve there until he resigned in 2001 to assume the Vice Presidency.

Gore had previously run for President in 1988 and 2000. In his third try for the White House in 2008, he was the frontrunner until the Iowa caucuses that Bill Richardson won by about 250 votes over Gore.

From there, Gore's campaign went downhill. Richardson would win the New Hampshire primary. But on Super Tuesday, Gore was only able to win the states of Florida, Kentucky and Tennessee. Richardson won the remaining states and Gore dropped out at the end of March. Richardson selected Governor Kathleen Kennedy Townsend of Maryland as his running mate. She became the first woman nominated for Vice President on a major ticket.

Rudy Giuliani selected Senator Condoleeza Rice of California (former Secretary of State in the John Warner administration) as his running mate. His choice helped Giuliani win over 30% of the African-American vote and split the female vote with Richardson.



Interesting, and richly detailed, backstory... thanks.

If you'll indulge me... I'm assuming Rudy was Mayor of NYC during 9/11, and his path in this TL was similar to his path IRL post-9/11. But, would he still be seen as having the "9/11 tourettes", since he didn't have a President Bush or War on Terror to prop up for the party?

Rudy was Mayor of NYC during 9/11. After completing his term as mayor, he capitalized on his popularity by running for Governor of New York in 2002 (George Pataki was "persuaded" to retire). He was able to push through a large income tax cut and a stimulus package to rebuild much of NYC's economy that was affected by 9/11. After the state Supreme Court declared New York's death penalty law unconstitutional, Giuliani got a stronger death penalty law passed that would withstand constitutional scrutiny.

Giuliani was so popular going into 2006 that he was reelected in a landslide with 68% of the vote, a record for a New York Gubernatorial race. His coattails also helped Republicans win the two other statewide offices. Comptroller Alan Hevesi was defeated for re-election by State Senator Serphin Maltese when it was discovered that Hevesi used taxpayer money for a chauffeur to drive his wife to the doctor and to go shopping. Also, Elliot Spitzer's involvement with prostitutes was revealed by the US Attorney's office and it cost him his job as Attorney General. Spitzer resigned in disgrace and former state Assembly Minority Leader John Faso was elected Attorney General.

With Giuliani's ascension to the Presidency, he was succeeded as Governor by Susan Molinari.
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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2009, 10:22:02 PM »

Kerry's Vice President was Albert Gore Jr. Gore was elected US Senator from Tennessee in 1984 and serve there until he resigned in 2001 to assume the Vice Presidency.

Gore had previously run for President in 1988 and 2000. In his third try for the White House in 2008, he was the frontrunner until the Iowa caucuses that Bill Richardson won by about 250 votes over Gore.

From there, Gore's campaign went downhill. Richardson would win the New Hampshire primary. But on Super Tuesday, Gore was only able to win the states of Florida, Kentucky and Tennessee. Richardson won the remaining states and Gore dropped out at the end of March. Richardson selected Governor Kathleen Kennedy Townsend of Maryland as his running mate. She became the first woman nominated for Vice President on a major ticket.

Rudy Giuliani selected Senator Condoleeza Rice of California (former Secretary of State in the John Warner administration) as his running mate. His choice helped Giuliani win over 30% of the African-American vote and split the female vote with Richardson.



Interesting, and richly detailed, backstory... thanks.

If you'll indulge me... I'm assuming Rudy was Mayor of NYC during 9/11, and his path in this TL was similar to his path IRL post-9/11. But, would he still be seen as having the "9/11 tourettes", since he didn't have a President Bush or War on Terror to prop up for the party?

Rudy was Mayor of NYC during 9/11. After completing his term as mayor, he capitalized on his popularity by running for Governor of New York in 2002 (George Pataki was "persuaded" to retire). He was able to push through a large income tax cut and a stimulus package to rebuild much of NYC's economy that was affected by 9/11. After the state Supreme Court declared New York's death penalty law unconstitutional, Giuliani got a stronger death penalty law passed that would withstand constitutional scrutiny.

Giuliani was so popular going into 2006 that he was reelected in a landslide with 68% of the vote, a record for a New York Gubernatorial race. His coattails also helped Republicans win the two other statewide offices. Comptroller Alan Hevesi was defeated for re-election by State Senator Serphin Maltese when it was discovered that Hevesi used taxpayer money for a chauffeur to drive his wife to the doctor and to go shopping. Also, Elliot Spitzer's involvement with prostitutes was revealed by the US Attorney's office and it cost him his job as Attorney General. Spitzer resigned in disgrace and former state Assembly Minority Leader John Faso was elected Attorney General.

With Giuliani's ascension to the Presidency, he was succeeded as Governor by Susan Molinari.


So he was the obvious establishment candidate... his "Big State Plan" didn't fall to pieces before Florida... who else ran in the primary?

Sorry to be asking all of these question, but I'm really enjoying this timeline.

Please bear in mind that this Republican party remained a moderately conservative party and Ronald Reagan never became President. Also, the South is still Democrat but conservative.

Rudy Giuliani topped a GOP primary field that included Mitt Romney, Fred Thompson, Bob Ehrlich (he was reelected Governor of Maryland ITTL 2006), Ron Paul (very libertarian), and Frank Keating (Governor of Oklahoma from 1995-2003, same as OTL, and elected to US Senate when David Boren retired).

In the Iowa primary, Giuliani finished in first place with 30% of the vote. Keating finished in second with 29% of the vote. Romney, favored to easily win the neighboring state of New Hampshire, did win the state but by only 5 percent ahead of Giuliani. Keating finished third. The tiny town of Dixville Notch was the first to vote. After all 34 residents voted at midnight, the votes were counted and Ron Paul finished first by 3 votes ahead of Giuliani. Romney did not get a single vote in Dixville Notch.

Keating finally won a primary with his victory in South Carolina, a 10 pont margin of victory over Giuliani. Thompson finished third, Romney finished fourth. Ehrlich dropped out and endorsed Giuliani.

On Super Tuesday, Giuliani won New York with 80 percent of the vote and Florida with 50 percent of the vote. Keating finished second in Florida and won his home state of Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas, and Tennessee. Giuliani won New Jersey, Connecticut, Vermont, Georgia (thanks to Newt Gingrich's endorsement), North Carolina (endorsed by Senator Elizabeth Dole and Rep. Sue Myrick) and Virginia. Romney won the states of Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and Utah.

Nevertheless, Giuliani became the frontrunner after Super Tuesday. Romney ran out of money and dropped out.

Keating was able to win primaries in Kentucky, West Virginia and Kansas. Giuliani won the rest and clinched the Republican nomination at the end of April.

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« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2009, 09:08:45 PM »

Here is my list based on the POD that Fromme's assasination attempt on Gerald Ford is successful.

38th: Gerald Ford (R-MI), August 9th 1974-September 5th 1975
39th: Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY), September 5th 1975-January 26th, 1979*
40th: John Connally (R-TX), January 26th, 1979- January 20th, 1981
41st: John Glenn (D-OH), January 20th, 1981-January 20th,1989
42nd: Jack Kemp (R-NY), January 20th, 1989-January 20th,1996
43rd: Ann Richards (D-TX), January 20th 1996-January 20th, 2005*
44th: Bill Bradley (D-NJ), January 20th 2005-January 20th 2009
45th: Mike Huckabee (R-AR), January 20th 2009-

Notes: Rocky dies on time as per OTL, after beating Carter in the 1976 General Election. By 1996 Governor Ann Richards of TX narrowly beats out VA Governor Douglas Wilder for the nomination to win the Presidency...So does it seem like a likley list?

I don't mean to nitpick but wouldn't Jack Kemp serve as President until January 20, 1997?
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« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2009, 09:44:01 PM »

POD: Dwight Eisenhower decides to run for President in 1948.

34th Dwight Eisenhower (R) (1949-1957)
35th Lyndon B. Johnson (D) (1957-1963) (1)
36th Hubert H. Humphrey (D) (1963-1973)
37th Ronald Reagan (R) (1973-1977)
38th John F. Kennedy (D) (1977-1979) (2)
39th Jimmy Carter (D) (1979-1985)
40th Howard Baker (R) (1985-1993)
41st Albert Gore Jr. (D) (1993-2001)
42nd Joseph Biden (D) (2001-2005)
43rd John McCain (R) (2005-2008) (3)
44th George Allen (R) (2008-2009)
45th Evan Bayh (D) (2009-Present)

(1) Assassinated in Dallas by Lee Harvey Oswald. Succeeded by his Vice President Hubert Humphrey who would avoid a war with Vietnam (no Gulf of Tonkin resolution).
(2) Vice President from 1965-1973. Chose not to run for President in 1972 for health reasons. Governor Ronald Reagan of California tied the Democratic nominee George McGovern to 16 years of Democratic control of the White House. JFK defeated Reagan in 1976 and died in 1979 from complications related to Addison's Disease.
(3) Died in office and succeeded by his Vice President George Allen.


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« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2009, 06:47:29 AM »

POD: FDR dies in January 1944

33rd (D) Henry Wallace (1944-1945)
34th (R) Thomas Dewey (1945-1953)
35th (D) W. Averell Harriman (1953-1961)
36th (D) Lyndon Johnson (1961-1965)
37th (R) Richard Nixon (1965-1968), assassinated by Sirhan Sirhan in 1968
38th (R) Everett Dirksen (1968-1969)
39th (D) John F. Kennedy (1969-1977)
40th (D) Terry Sanford (1977-1981)
41st (R) Robert Dole (1981-1989)
42nd (D) Robert F. Kennedy (1989-1995), died of diabetes in 1995
43rd (D) Albert Gore Jr. (1995-1997)
44th (R) John McCain (1997-2005)
45th (D) Bill Clinton (2005-Present)
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« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2009, 06:34:03 PM »

40 straight years of Democratic Presidents? This list jumps the shark.

Henry Wallace's far left (pro USSR) views would make him unelectable in a general election. The Southern delegations would never nominate Wallace. Also in 1944, very few states had primary. The majority of delegates were picked by party bosses and local party conventions.

Even if Wallace won most of the primaries, he would not be guaranteed his party's nomination. Senator Claude Pepper would most likely be the nominee because he is a Southerner who was close to labor unions and was very supportive of the New Deal.

The reason why FDR ran for reelection in 1944 was because the USA was still fighting in World War II. The only reason FDR would not run for reelection would be because WWII ended earlier.
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« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2009, 10:10:12 PM »

POD: Herbert Hoover declares his candidacy for President in 1920

29. Herbert Hoover (R), 1921-1929
30. Frank Lowden (R), 1929-1933
31. Harry Byrd (D), 1933-1941
32. Theodore Roosevelt Jr. (R), 1941-1943 (died in office)
33. Styles Bridges (R), 1943-1949
34. Frank Lausche (D), 1949-1957
35. Franklin D. Roosevelt Jr. (R), 1957-1965
36. Henry Cabot Lodge (R), 1965-1969
37. John F. Kennedy (D), 1969-1972 (assassinated by Arthur Bremer)
38. John Connally (D), 1972-1974 (resigned to avoid impeachment)
39. Thomas Eagleton (D), 1974-1977
40. John Chafee (R), 1977-1985
41. Reuben Askew (D), 1985-1993
42. Thomas Kean (R), 1993-2001
43. William Weld (R), 2001-2009
44. John Cornyn (D), 2009-Present
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« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2009, 08:06:14 AM »

FDR Sr. stays a Democrat but never runs for President. On the other hand, his son FDR Jr. would become a Republican (IOTL, FDR Jr. was a Congressman from NYC during the 1950s).
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« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2009, 08:48:24 PM »

POD: Dwight Eisenhower dies of a heart attack on Labor Day 1952.

Adlai Stevenson/John Sparkman (1953-1957)
Thomas Dewey/Everett Dirksen (1957-1965)
John F. Kennedy/George Smathers (1965-1973)
Barry Goldwater/Robert Griffin (1973-1977)
Robert F. Kennedy/James E. Carter (1977-1985)
James E. Carter/Gary Hart (1985-1989) (1)
Jack Kemp/William Roth (1989-1997)
Dianne Feinstein/Albert Gore Jr. (1997-2005)
George Allen/Larry Craig (2005-2009) (2)
Kathleen Kennedy Townshend/Barack Obama (2009-Present) (3)

(1) Carter did not seek reelection in 1988 for health reasons.
(2) President Allen was hurt by his use of the word "macaca," stories of secret guilty plea by Vice President Craig in relation to a gay sex bathroom incident when he was a Senator, and the recession of 2008 that resulted in several banks declaring bankruptcy. Allen replaced Craig on the ticket with Alaska Governor Sarah Palin.
(3) Kennedy Townshend was elected Governor of Maryland in 2002 and served until her election as President. Lt Governor Kweisi Mfume moved up to Governor.


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« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2009, 06:30:31 PM »

Here is my new list...based on the POD that FDR keeps Wallace as his VP in '44, thus ensuring that Henry Wallace becomes President in April of 1945.

32. Franklin D. Roosevelt(D-NY): March 4th 1933-April 12th 1945*
33. Henry A. Wallace(D-IA): April 12th 1945-January 20th 1949

34. Thomas E. Dewey(R-NY): January 20th 1949-January 20th 1957
35. Earl Warren(R-CA): January 20th 1957-January 20th 1961

36. Lyndon B. Johnson(D-TX): January 20th 1961-November 22nd 1963*
37. John F. Kennedy(D-MA): November 22nd 1963-June 6th 1968*
38. Terry Sanford(D-NC): June 6th 1968-January 20th 1973

39. Spiro Agnew(R-MD): January 20th 1973-August 9th 1974*
40. Robert "Bob" Dole(R-KA): August 9th 1974-January 20th 1981

41. Edmund S. "Ed" Muskie(D-MI): January 20th 1981-March 26th 1986*
42. Lloyd M. Bentsen(D-TX): March 26th 1986-January 20th 1993

43. Thomas H. Kean(R-NJ): January 20th 1993-January 20th 2001
44. James D. "Dan" Quayle(IN): January 20th 2001-January 20th 2005

45. Condoleezza Rice(D-CA): January 20th 2005-???

notes.

32. FDR goes with his intial choice to keep Wallace as his VP,ignoring the call of party leaders to drop him. Roosevelt dies of an Cerebral hemmorage as he did in otl.
36. LBJ due to the stresses of the Presidency has his third and final heart-attack  while in the Oval Office in TTL's November 22nd 1963.
37. The popular President JFK is assasinated in the kitchen of the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles California by Sirhan Sirhan.
39. Spiro Agnew is the first President to resign the office, after powerful revalations are made by Congress of bribery charges by the 39th President.
41. 72 year old President Muskie dies of Congestive heart-failure in his sleep on March 26th 1986.

Why is Condoleeza Rice a Democrat?
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« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2009, 11:36:43 AM »

I believe that Jim Jones ITTL was a Congressman and Governor of Pennsylvania before he was elected President.
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« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2009, 04:56:06 PM »

Here is a new one, Wouldn't it be kinda cool if we had 50 Presidents by 2001?Here is what I came up with...

For Want for a Climate

31. Herbert Hoover (R-CA): March 4th 1929-Febuary 15th 1932*
32. Charles Curtis(R-KA): February 15th-March 4th 1932*

33. Franklin D. Roosevelt (D-NY): March 4th 1932-Setember 8th 1935*
34. John N. Garner IV (D-TX): September 8th 1935-January 20th 1941

35. Wendell L. Willkie (R-NY): January 20th 1941-October 8th 1944*
36. Arthur H. Vandenberg (R-MI): October 8th 1944-January 20th 1945*
37. John W. Bricker(R-OH): January 20th 1945-November 1st 1950*
38. Douglas MacArthur(R-WI): November 1st 1950-January 20th 1953

39. Adlai E. Stevenson III (D-IL): January 20th 1953-January 20th 1961
40. Robert S. Kerr (D-OK): January 20th 1961-January 1st 1963*
41. John F. Kennedy (D-MA): January 1st 1963-March 31st 1968*
42. George A. Smathers (D-FL): March 31st 1968-January 20th 1969

43. Richard M. Nixon(R-CA): January 20th 1969-April 10th 1972*
44. Spiro T. Agnew(R-MD): April 10th 1972-October 10th 1973**
45. Nelson A. Rockefeller(R-NY): October 10th 1973-January 26th 1979*
46. Howard H. Baker Jr.(R-TN): January 26th 1979-January 20th 1981

47. Edward M. Kennedy (D-MA): January 20th 1981-January 20th 1989
48. Rueben Askew (D-FL): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1993

49. Jack Kemp(R-NY): January 20th 1993-January 20th 2001
50. Douglas Wilder (D-VA): January 20th 2001-???*

Notes

31. Giuseppe Zangara sticks to his original plan, and travels to Washington DC (disregarding its lack of a Mediterranean climate) to assassinate the sitting President. He is able to catch the President while he is playing his morning routine of Tennisball (A weird volleyball and Tennis combination). The President succumbed to his wounds a few hours later.

32. The 73 year old Kansan is sworn as the thirty-second President and becomes the first President with acknowledged non-European Ancestry (He was nearly Half-Native America). He also has the shortest term in office as he only serves for only 19 days.

33. Due to the minimal butterflies involving Hoover’s assassination, FDR’s 1st term goes pretty much unchanged from OTL. However ITTL, President Roosevelt maintains a good relationship with Huey Long. Seeing him as essential to his reelection campaign, President Roosevelt visited his friend’s home state of Louisiana. The President was addressing a joint session of the Louisiana state legislature with Huey Long at his side, when both he and the Senator were shot at by Carl Weiss. President Roosevelt is killed instantly while; Senator Long succumbed to his wounds two days later.

35. President Willkie, the former businessman who narrowly won the 1940 election over Cactus Jack. The man, who rallied the nation after the attack on Pearl Harbor to fight a Second World War against the Axis nations, finally succumbed to Heart disease while on the campaign trail for reelection.

36. With the death of Vice President McNary on February 25th 1944 due to the spread of a malignant Brain Tumor, there was a vacancy in the Vice Presidency. Due to that vacancy, Secretary of State Arthur H. Vandenberg was sworn in as the 36th Presidency. His short term was mainly a caretaker Presidency before handing over the office to former Governor of Ohio, John Bricker…Willkie’s Vice Presidential running mate in the 1944 election.

37. After a resounding victory over former Secretary of Agriculture Henry A. Wallace in the 1948 election…President Bricker is assassinated by two Pro-Independence Puerto Ricans while outside his temporary residence of the Blair House.

40. The Sixty-six year old 40th President of the United States has a fatal heart attack while working in the oval office.

41. The nation would be shook to its core after the surprise death of their young and vibrant 41st President John F. Kennedy by a massive heart attack. The sudden death was mainly attributed to growing stress about what to do about the quagmire in Vietnam and his ridiculously high Cholesterol level.

43. Richard M. Nixon otherwise known as the comeback kid, after his close loss to Vice President Kerr in the 1960 election only to beat President Smathers as Governor of California in the 1968 election was assassinated by the crazed Arthur Bremer in Ottawa, Canada.

44. President Agnew became the first President to resign the Presidency due to criminal charges about his activities as Governor of Maryland. Those charges include tax evasion, money laundering and bribery.

45. Leader of the moderate wing of the Republican Party, President Rockefeller died at the age 70 from a heart attack under circumstances whose details have been covered up, but reportedly whilst having sex with his 25 year old mistress in the White House.

50. Although Seventy years old upon election day, not only is the popular former Governor of Virginia, the fiftieth President of the United States but he is also the first African American President as well.


31 and 32. The year should be 1933 instead of 1932.
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« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2009, 10:13:23 PM »

POD: 22nd Amendment not added to the Constitution

34. Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953-1965)
35. Richard M. Nixon (1965-1969)

36. Hubert H. Humphrey (1969-1977)
37. Terry Sanford (1977-1981)

38. Jack Kemp (1981-1989)
39. Robert F. Kennedy (1989-1997)
40. Pete Wilson (1997-2005)
41. Albert Gore Jr. (2005-Present)

34. During his third term, President Eisenhower provided air cover to in the Bay of Pigs operation which led to the revolt that overthrew Fidel Castro in 1962 and returned Fulgencio Batista to power.

35. After serving three terms as Ike's loyal Vice President, Richard Nixon was nominated by the Republicans. He selected Pennsylvania Governor William Scranton as his running mate. With the Nixon/Scranton and Johnson/Humphrey tickets committed to civil rights (1964 Act was signed into law by Eisenhower), Alabama Governor George Wallace launched his third party campaign for President. He selected former Rep. John Rousselot (R-CA), a John Birch Society leader, as his running mate. Wallace was only able to win his home state plus Mississippi. Nixon won Florida and Viriginia. Johnson won the remaining Southern states. Nixon's term in office was plagued with the ongoing civil war in Cuba and protests against American involvement in the war (there were very few American military advisers in Vietnam as there was no Gulf of Tonkin incident exploited by Eisenhower). In 1966, Democrats scored huge gains in the midterm elections. In California, Governor Pat Brown was re-elected to a third term against Ronald Reagan who would not run for political office again. Senator Paul Douglas survived a challenge from Charles Percy in Illinois (Percy would be elected Governor in 1968). In Massachusetts, Bobby Kennedy ran for Governor and defeated incumbent John Volpe. A united Democratic party nominated Hubert Humphrey for President and former North Carolina Governor Terry Sanford for Vice President. George Wallace was elected to the US Senate in Alabama and endorsed the Humphrey/Sanford ticket. Nixon returned to California in disgrace and would die of phlebitis on August 9, 1974.

36. As President, Humphrey ended the war in Cuba with a peace treaty in 1969. South and North Vietnam ended its war by cease fire after the death of North Vietnamese leader Ho Chi Minh. Also passed into law was the Earned Income Tax Credit, Environmental Protection Act and school lunch programs along with amendments to the 1968 voting rights act. In 1970, Senator John F. Kennedy, 1960 Democratic nominee for President, chose not to seek reelection citing health problems. Governor Robert Kennedy was elected to his brother's Senate seat. Also, Governor Pat Brown was elected to the Senate by defeating incumbent George Murphy. He was succeeded as Governor by Assembly Speaker Jess Unruh. In 1972, Senator Wallace challenged Humphrey in the primaries as an opponent of the numerous liberal programs championed by the President but his campaign ended after surviving an assassination attempt by Arthur Bremer. Wallace was left paralyzed from the waist down and did not seek reelection in 1974. Humphrey was reelected in 1972 over former Vice President William Scranton who was forced to pick Barry Goldwater as his running mate. On Thanksgiving of 1975, President Humphrey announced that he would not seek a third term when he revealed that he had cancer.

37. Sanford easily cruised through the primaries and won the Democratic party nomination. He chose Rep. Morris Udall as his running mate. The Republicans nominated Barry Goldwater for President and John Tower for Vice President. Goldwater's controversial foot in the mouth statements doomed his campaign from the start. His denials that Poland was not dominated by the Soviet Union in a debate hurt. Sanford would run away with a 46 state landslide victory that November. But the energy crisis, Panama Canal, recession and the Iran hostage crisis hurt Sanford. Jack Kemp's tax cut agenda result in victory in the New Hampshire primary and the Republican nomination. His running mate was Bob Dole.

39. Former Vice President Udall announced in 1987 that he had Alzheimers and retired from politics. That made Senator Robert F. Kennedy the frontrunner. He easily defeated Senator Paul Simon, Rep. Richard Gephart, Senator Albert Gore Jr. and former Arizona Governor Bruce Babbitt to win the Democratic party nomination. He selected Gore as his running mate and won a close race against Vice President Dole and his running mate Phil Gramm. Despite RFK's poularity, Gore could not defeat Governor Pete Wilson in 1996.

40. Most of President Wilson's presidency focused on the War on Terrorism especially after 9/11/01. But his decision to start the war in Iraq led to over 2,000 deaths there. In his second try, Gore defeated Wilson who sought to become the first President since Eisenhower to be elected to a thrid term, but it was not to be.
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« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2009, 12:15:17 PM »

Whatever happened to?

Pat Brown: After serving three terms as Governor of California (1959-1971), Brown was elected to the Senate with his victory over Republican incumbent George Murphy in 1970. In the Senate, Brown championed numerous public works and highway building projects all over California. He retired from the Senate in 1982.

Robert Finch: A protege of Nixon, Finch was a Chief of Staff to the Vice President. When Nixon was elected President, Finch became Secretary of HUD. His tenure was marked by the building of public housing units and going after violators of the Civil Rights Act. After Nixon left the White House, Finch returned to Los Angeles to practice law. In 1974, he ran for Governor and defeated the corrupt and unpopular incumbent Jess Unruh. As Governor, Finch cut income taxes several times and left office with an over $300 million surplus. He was succeeded as Governor in 1982 by San Diego Mayor Pete Wilson.

Jerry Brown: After comtemplating the priesthood, Brown dropped out of divinity school and moved to Oakland. He was elected to the City Council in 1971. In 1974, he was elected State Attorney General. In that position, he successfully won lawsuits against tobacco companies and stopped offshore oil drilling. In 1982, he was elected to his father's Senate seat. In 1990, Brown resigned from the Senate after he was elected Governor. After serving two terms, Brown retired from politics and spent a few years doing missionary work in India. He lives quietly in Oakland with his wife and is an occasional commentator for CNN.

Ronald Reagan: After his unsuccesful race for Governor of California in 1966, Reagan returned to acting. After failing to unseat Senator Alan Cranston in 1974, Reagan quit politics for good. He would continue to be a spokesman for conservative causes and served as President of the NRA from 1979-1983. Reagan quit public life after his 1994 announcement that he had Alzheimers which took his life in 2004.

Edward Kennedy: A prominent trial lawyer and liberal activist, Ted Kennedy was elected Attorney General of Massachusetts in 1974 and reelected in 1978. He did not run for public office in 1982 in order to spend more time with his family and battle his drinking problems. In 1988, he chaired Bobby's campaign for President and served as White House Chief of Staff from 1989 to 1995. When Al Gore was elected President, Kennedy served as US Attorney General from 2004 to 2008, resigning when he revealed that he had cancer. Kennedy currently lives at the family compound in Hyannis Port and serves as consultant to the Robert F. Kennedy Presidential Library. He is also a spokesman for research on diabetes, which took the life of Bobby in 2002.

Bill Clinton: After serving for 12 years as Governor of Arkansas (1979-1991), Clinton succeeded Dianne Feinstein as US Attorney General (1992-1996). He returned to Arkansas and was elected to the US Senate. When Al Gore was elected President in 2004 and the Democrats regained the Senate majority, Clinton became Senate Majority Leader. His name is mentioned as a possible Presidential candidate in 2012.

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« Reply #18 on: March 26, 2009, 09:49:55 PM »

FDR Dies in 1944

32. Franklin Delano Roosevelt (D-NY) (1933-1944)
33. Henry Wallace (D-IA) (1944-1945)

34. Thomas Dewey (R-NY) (1945-1953)
35. John Bricker (R-OH) (1953-1957)

36. Claude Pepper (D-FL) (1957-1963)
37. John F. Kennedy (D-MA) (1963-1969)

38. Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY) (1969-1977)
39. Robert F. Kennedy (D-MA) (1977-1985)
40. Jim Wright (D-TX) (1985-1989)

41. Jack Kemp (R-NY) (1989-1997)
42. Albert Gore, Jr. (D-TN) (1997-2005)
43. John McCain (R-AZ) (2005-2013)

33. After FDR suffered a fatal heart attack on September 7, 1944, Vice President Wallace assumed the Presidency. However, the public perception of Wallace as too far to the left and sympathetic to the USSR, Governor Dewey gained support even among the New Dealers and a key endorsement from Frances Perkins, who resigned as Secretary of Labor after Roosevelt's death.

34. As soon after he was sworn in to office, President Dewey learned for the first time of the existence of the Manhattan Project. After meeting with Prime Minister Churchill and General Dwight Eisenhower, Dewey put George Patton in charge of leading the drive to Berlin shortly after Mussolini was deposed from power. Even though this move infuriated Stalin, Dewey wanted to win the war and bring the troops back home. Allied tanks reached Berlin on May 6, 1945 beating out the Russian Red Army by two days. This resulted in a united Germany emerging in 1948. President Dewey gave the order to drop the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki on July 1-2. Emperor Hirohito announced Japan's surrender on July 3. World War II was over and the July 4th celebrations would become the greatest so far in history. In Italy, King Victor Emmanuel III abdicated in favor of his son, Crown Prince Umberto, after he was urged to do so by Dewey. In a close vote, the Italians retained the monarchy in a plebiscite. Secretary of State Arthur Vandenberg pushed a plan through Congress to fund post-war reconcstruction of Europe. Other domestic measures passed included funding for housing construction, the Civil Rights Act of 1947 and the Taft-Hartley Labor Relations Act, despite opposition from labor unions. In the first national elections since the war, pro-USSR parties failed to win in Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Rumania, Bulgaria and Greece. However, Communists would hold power in Albania and Yugoslavia. Dewey also provided financial assistance to Chiang Kai-Shek that enabled the Kuomintang to defeat the Communists in the Chinese Civil War. The Communists would also taste defeat in Korea and Vietnam.

35. Riding Dewey's popularity in 1952, Vice President John Bricker and his running mate Senator Earl Warren of California defeated the Democratic ticket of Averell Harriman and Georgia Governor Herman Talmadge. Being more conservative than his predecessor, President Bricker's attempts to eliminate four Cabinet posts, Social Security and the Tennessee Valley Authority met with defeat in Congress although the Republicans controlled both houses from 1950-1954. Vice President Warren refused to run for reelection in 1956 and was replaced on the ticket by Senator Karl Mundt of South Dakota. The Democrats nominated Senator Claude Pepper for President and 39 year old Senator John F. Kennedy for Vice President.

36.  President Pepper would preside over a prosperous economy and would navigate through the Suez Crisis and a CIA-sponsored coup that overthrew Albania's Stalinist dictator Enver Hoxha and led to democracy in that country. Pepper would nominate former Vice President Earl Warren to the Supreme Court and enjoy re-election over Nelson Rockefeller in 1960. But tragedy would strike when President Pepper was assassinated in Dallas on November 22, 1963 by Lee Harvey Oswald.

37. Coming into office, President Kennedy would use Pepper's memory to push through legislation creating Medicare, open housing, cut capital gains taxes and strengthen consumer protections. After a Constitutional Amendment was ratified allowing the President to fill a vacancy in the Vice Presidency, Kennedy selected Congressman Wilbur Mills of Arkansas for Vice President. In 1964, Kennedy defeated Barry Goldwater in a landslide. In 1968, Kennedy declined to seek re-election in the wake of health problems and rumors of extramarital affairs.

38. With the country weary of the Democrats 12 years in the White House, the last thing the Democrats needed was another scandal when its Presidential nominee, Vice President Wilbur Mills was involved in a car accident while drinking. Also found in the car was burlesque dancer Fanny Foxe, a woman not his wife. Mills was forced to resign as the Democratic nominee. He was replaced by his running mate, Senator Hubert Humphrey. Rockefeller cruised to an easy victory that November.

39. Elected to the Senate in 1958 to succeed his brother who was elected Vice President, Bobby Kennedy became Senate Majority Leader in 1970 defeating Lyndon Johnson. Bobby served in that position until stepping down in 1975. Kennedy and his running mate, Congressman Jim Wright of Texas won comfortably over the Republican ticket of Vice President Gerald Ford and his running mate, Ohio Governor Jim Rhodes.

40. President Wright's single term in office was marked by a scandal in which he pressured lobbyists to purchase copies of his autobiography in order to get around campaign contribution laws. Wright survived impeachment but the Republicans used the issue to sweep the 1986 Congressional elections. Wright chose not to run for reelection in 1988.

41. Senator Jack Kemp had an easy path to the GOP nomination. He selected former Delaware Governor Pete du Pont as his running mate. Senator Paul Simon never had a chance against Kemp. However, a recession in Kemp's second term resulted in Democrats sweeping the 1994 elections. Senator Gore and his running mate Joe Biden would easily defeat the du Pont/Lugar ticket in 1996.
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« Reply #19 on: March 27, 2009, 08:01:03 PM »
« Edited: April 15, 2009, 08:02:01 AM by GZ67 »

Patton Survives World War II

33. Harry S Truman (D-MO), 1945-1949
34. George Patton (R-CA), 1949-1957
35. Harold Stassen (R-MN), 1957-1961

36. Estes Kefauver (D-TN), 1961-1963
37. Stuart Symington (D-MO), 1963-1969
38. John F. Kennedy (D-MA), 1969-1972
39. George Smathers (D-FL), 1972-1973

40. James Rhodes (R-OH), 1973-1977
41. Ronald Reagan (D-CA), 1977-1985
42. John Warner (R-VA), 1985-1993
43. Mario Cuomo (D-NY), 1993-2001
44. Richard Gephardt (D-MO), 2001-2009


36. Dies of a heart attack on August 10, 1963

38. Assassinated May 15, 1972 by Arthur Bremer at a shopping center in Laurel, Maryland

41. Reagan remains a Democrat. During Patton's presidency, Reagan would often criticize him for wasteful spending programs such as highway construction. His politics were pro-small business and for cutting income taxes. Otherwise, he remained a New Deal (rather than Great Society) Democrat. The Republicans would remain a budget balancing, socially libertarian, conservative party (no Christian Right takeover of the GOP, but generally white Protestant).

43. Mario Cuomo defeated Congressman Ed Koch and incumbent NYC Mayor Abe Beame in the Democratic party primary in 1977. He would solve the city's fiscal crisis and leave office in 1989 with a budget surplus. He would turn down pleas from the Democrats to run for Governor in 1986 and 1990. Was touted as a possible Presidential candidate since his 1984 keynote speech at the Democratic National Convention as well as a Supreme Court Justice during the Reagan administration. Cuomo finally threw his hat in the ring in 1992 and defeated Vice President Alan Simpson.

44. Served as Vice President under Mario Cuomo. When Gephardt won his party's nomination in 2000, he picked former Congressman and California Governor Michael Reagan as his running mate.
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« Reply #20 on: April 15, 2009, 08:03:10 AM »

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« Reply #21 on: April 15, 2009, 10:00:07 PM »

POD: Warren Harding Survives Heart Attack in 1923

29. Warren G. Harding (R-OH) (1921-1925)
30. Charles W. Bryan (D-NE) (1925-1933)
31. Herbert C. Hoover (R-CA) (1933-1941)
32. Theodore Roosevelt, Jr. (R-NY) (1941-1944)
33. Robert Taft (R-OH) (1944-1949)

34. Franklin D. Roosevelt (D-NY) (1949-1953)
35. Claude Pepper (D-FL) (1953-1957)

36. Thomas Dewey (R-NY) (1957-1965)
37. Hubert H. Humphrey (D-MN) (1965-1973)
38. Charles Percy (R-IL) (1973-1981)
39. Ronald Reagan (D-CA) (1981-1989)
40. Jack Kemp (D-NY) (1989-1993)

41. Dianne Feinstein (R-CA) (1993-2001)
42. John McCain (R-AZ) (2001-2009)

43. Albert Gore, Jr. (D-TN) (2009-Present)

29. Harding's presidency would be hurt by the Teapot Dome Scandal and his health problems that limited his campaigning for re-election in 1924. The Democrats nominated Gov. Charles Bryan of Nebraska on the tenth ballot. To appease the northern delegates that supported Al Smith and the southern and western delegates that supported William Gibbs McAdoo, Congressman Alben Barkley (D-KY) was nominated for Vice President. Bryan campaigned on a law and order platform, tax breaks for farmers and lowering tariffs.

30. President Bryan presided over a prosperous economy that categorized the Roaring 20s. In 1928, prominent Republicans Herbert Hoover, Hiram Johnson and William Borah chose not to run. But former Vice President Calvin Coolidge did and the Republicans nominated him on the first ballot. However, Bryan was easily re-elected. In his second term, Bryan vetoed the Smoot-Hawley Act which would have increased tariffs. The stock market would fall by 5 percent and a recession would follow. The Republicans would make huge gains in the 1930 congressional races and win back the majority in the House and Senate.

31. Herbert Hoover decided to throw his hat in the ring. The former Commerce Secretary and President of the American Red Cross earned great praise for his humanitarian activities in the aftermath of the Great Mississippi River flood of 1927. The Republicans nominated Hoover on the first ballot. His running mate was Senator George Norris of Nebraska. Hoover's "Chicken in every pot" campaign earned the victory of Democratic nominee Barkley. In office, Hoover successfully pushed major banking reforms, housing bills and the Highway Act of 1934. Hoover won a landslide re-election over Al Smith, the first Catholic nominated for President. Smith's religion hurt him in the South as Hoover would win Texas (home state of Smith's running mate, John Nance Garner), Florida and Virginia. Despite Hoover's opposition, the Prohibition Amendment was repealed in 1937. Despite being heavily favored for a third term in 1940, Hoover decided to retire and handpicked New York Governor Theodore Roosevelt, Jr. as his successor. Roosevelt chose Senator and former US Attorney General Robert Taft (R-OH) as his running mate, primarily to win over supporters of Senator Arthur Vandenberg (R-MI). They easily defeated the Democratic ticket of Cordell Hull and Millard Tydings.



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« Reply #22 on: April 16, 2009, 08:50:32 AM »

POD: Warren Harding Survives Heart Attack in 1923

29. Warren G. Harding (R-OH) (1921-1925)
30. Charles W. Bryan (D-NE) (1925-1933)
31. Herbert C. Hoover (R-CA) (1933-1941)
32. Theodore Roosevelt, Jr. (R-NY) (1941-1944)
33. Robert Taft (R-OH) (1944-1949)

34. Franklin D. Roosevelt (D-NY) (1949-1953)
35. Claude Pepper (D-FL) (1953-1957)

36. Thomas Dewey (R-NY) (1957-1965)
37. Hubert H. Humphrey (D-MN) (1965-1973)
38. Charles Percy (R-IL) (1973-1981)
39. Ronald Reagan (D-CA) (1981-1989)
40. Jack Kemp (D-NY) (1989-1993)

41. Dianne Feinstein (R-CA) (1993-2001)
42. John McCain (R-AZ) (2001-2009)

43. Albert Gore, Jr. (D-TN) (2009-Present)

29. Harding's presidency would be hurt by the Teapot Dome Scandal and his health problems that limited his campaigning for re-election in 1924. The Democrats nominated Gov. Charles Bryan of Nebraska on the tenth ballot. To appease the northern delegates that supported Al Smith and the southern and western delegates that supported William Gibbs McAdoo, Congressman Alben Barkley (D-KY) was nominated for Vice President. Bryan campaigned on a law and order platform, tax breaks for farmers and lowering tariffs.

30. President Bryan presided over a prosperous economy that categorized the Roaring 20s. In 1928, prominent Republicans Herbert Hoover, Hiram Johnson and William Borah chose not to run. But former Vice President Calvin Coolidge did and the Republicans nominated him on the first ballot. However, Bryan was easily re-elected. In his second term, Bryan vetoed the Smoot-Hawley Act which would have increased tariffs. The stock market would fall by 5 percent and a recession would follow. The Republicans would make huge gains in the 1930 congressional races and win back the majority in the House and Senate.

31. Herbert Hoover decided to throw his hat in the ring. The former Commerce Secretary and President of the American Red Cross earned great praise for his humanitarian activities in the aftermath of the Great Mississippi River flood of 1927. The Republicans nominated Hoover on the first ballot. His running mate was Senator George Norris of Nebraska. Hoover's "Chicken in every pot" campaign earned the victory of Democratic nominee Barkley. In office, Hoover successfully pushed major banking reforms, housing bills and the Highway Act of 1934. Hoover won a landslide re-election over Al Smith, the first Catholic nominated for President. Smith's religion hurt him in the South as Hoover would win Texas (home state of Smith's running mate, John Nance Garner), Florida and Virginia. Despite Hoover's opposition, the Prohibition Amendment was repealed in 1937. Despite being heavily favored for a third term in 1940, Hoover decided to retire and handpicked New York Governor Theodore Roosevelt, Jr. as his successor. Roosevelt chose Senator and former US Attorney General Robert Taft (R-OH) as his running mate, primarily to win over supporters of Senator Arthur Vandenberg (R-MI). They easily defeated the Democratic ticket of Cordell Hull and Millard Tydings.





32. As President, Roosevelt worked to increase the size of the navy and promised to remain neutral in WWII but that neutrality was broken when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. Roosevelt asked Congress to declare war on Japan and the Axis powers. WWII goes the same as OTL. Tragedy would strike on the eve of the Republican National Convention when President Roosevelt died on July 12, 1944 due to complications from arthritis and heart trouble. He was 56.

33. Taft was sworn in as President and in his first nationally broadcast speech promised to continue the war until victory. The Republicans unanimously nominated Taft. He selected Congressman Fred Hartley (R-NJ) as his running mate. Taft would also learn of the existence of the Manhattan Project. The Taft-Hartley ticket defeated the Democratic ticket of Albert Chandler and his running mate Ernest McFarland. The war ended when atomic bombs were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945. In peacetime, Taft would prove to be less popular. He got the GI Bill, 1945 Civil Rights Act, and public housing legislation passed but was denounced by organized labor when he signed the 1946 Labor Relations Act limiting union activities into law. In foreign affairs, Taft's opposition to the United Nations and financial aid to postwar Europe led to the resignation of Arthur Vandenburg as Secretary of State. The Democrats swept the 1946 midterm elections. Taft decided to run for reelection in 1948 but Vice President Hartley decided to retire from politics. Taft chose Governor Earl Warren (R-CA) as his running mate as a nod to the progressive wing. Franklin D. Roosevelt, a former Governor of New York elected to the Senate in 1944, was nominated by the Democrats. He selected Senator Claude Pepper as his running mate. The Roosevelt-Pepper ticket won in a landslide.

34. In his inauguration speech, FDR promised a New Deal for the American people and to fight Communism abroad. FDR got the Marshall Plan (named after his Secretary of State George Marshall) passed as well as funding for a future site of the United Nations building in New York City. The UN, located at this time in Toronto, would move to New York in 1951. FDR named Adlai Stevenson as the first US Ambassador to the UN. On the recommendation of Secretary of War Dwight Eisenhower, Roosevelt ordered increased aid to the Chinese Nationalists and military advisors to South Korea. This resulted in the capture and execution of Mao Zedong in China and Kim Il Sung in Korea. Chiang Kai Shek would rule China until his death in 1975. Korea would drift between democracy and military dictatorships until 1985. Upon the formation of NATO in 1950, FDR appointed Eisenhower as the first US Ambassador to NATO. In 1952, FDR announced that he would not seek reelection for health reasons (he would die of a stroke in 1954). Vice President Pepper easily won the Democratic nod and picked Adlai Stevenson as his running mate.
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« Reply #23 on: April 16, 2009, 03:15:31 PM »
« Edited: April 16, 2009, 03:27:45 PM by GZ67 »

35. Vice President Pepper defeated the Republican candidate, Senator William Knowland of California in 1952. While Pepper was praised for his progressive reforms and a voting rights act that became law thanks to the efforts of Senate Majority Leader Lyndon Johnson, his civil rights stance caused a backlash in the South. In 1956, Senator Richard Russell announced his candidacy for President as the States Rights Democratic party candidate. Russell and his running mate Strom Thurmond won most of the South except Florida and Texas. The Republicans nominated former New York Governor Thomas Dewey for President and Senator Wayne Morse of Oregon for Vice President. Dewey would have more electoral college votes than Pepper but short of an absolute majority. Congress would vote for the next President and Vice President. When Russell's conditions for his support became unacceptable to both Dewey and Pepper, a deal was reached and Pepper instructed the Florida House delegation to vote for Dewey and he was elected President. In the Senate, a coalition of Republicans, non-Southern Democrats, and Senator George Smathers (D-FL) voted to elect Wayne Morse Vice President. The vote was announced by Adlai Stevenson in his role as President of the Senate.

36. After Dewey was inaugurated, he announced the nomination of former President Pepper as Ambassador to the UN. Pepper would play a role in mediating the Suez Crisis but would find it tougher to bring peace in Vietnam. Dewey was reelected in 1960 over former Vice President Stevenson. Senator Humphrey was nominated by the Democrats in Atlantic City. He selected Senator John F. Kennedy for Vice President. In the Republican primaries, Barry Goldwater win a upset victory over Vice President Morse in California. By the time the Republican convention began in San Francisco, no candidate clinched the nomination. After two ballots, Nelson Rockefeller and William Scranton released their delegates who voted for Morse and clinching the nomination. The conservative delegates demanded that Morse pick Goldwater as his running mate, which President Dewey opposed. Although Morse selected Senator Margaret Chase Smith (R-ME), the delegates forced a roll call vote. Smith barely won the delegate vote for VP over Goldwater. When Smith spoke before the convention, the delegates walked out in protest. By election day, Humphrey won a landslide victory over Morse. HHH won every Southern state except Mississippi and South Carolina, which were carried by States Rights Democrat Strom Thurmond. Morse won only the states of Oregon (barely), Vermont, Maine and Wyoming.
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« Reply #24 on: May 01, 2009, 03:46:06 PM »

Jerry Brown (D-CA) (1977-1981)
Bob Dole (R-KS) (1981-1989)
Jack Kemp (R-NY) (1989-1993)
Al Gore (D-TN) (1993-2001)
John McCain (R-AZ) (2001-2009)
Joe Biden (D-DE) (2009-

What is the POD?
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