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Nixon in '80
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E: 2.84, S: -5.39

« on: January 18, 2009, 06:54:40 PM »

37th: President Richard Nixon/Vice President Spiro Agnew - 1969-1973
                                               /Vice President George H.W. Bush - 1973-1974

38th: President George H.W. Bush/Vice President Gerald Ford - 1974-1977
39th: President James Earl Carter/Vice President Walter Mondale - 1977-1981
40th: President Ronald Reagan/Vice President Howard Baker - 1981-1989
41st: President Howard Baker/Vice President Jack Kemp - 1989-1997
42nd: President Albert Gore, Jr./Vice President John Kerry - 1997-2005
43rd: President John Ellis Bush/Vice President Rudolph Giuliani - 2005-Present

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Nixon in '80
nixon1980
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E: 2.84, S: -5.39

« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2009, 06:10:55 PM »

1953-57 Eisenhower. CJ Vinson lives
1957-61 Warren
61-69 JFK/LBJ
69-73 Albert Gore Sr.


1973-1979 Richard Nixon (1)
1979-1981 Charles Percy (2)
1981-1989 Robert F. Kennedy
1989-1993 Bill Clinton (3)
1993-2001 John Warner
2001-2009 John Kerry (4)
2009-present Rudy Giuliani

(1) died from complications of phlebitis and stress caused by backlash in admitting Shah of Iran into the US for medical reasons and subsequent hostage crisis at the US Embassy in Tehran.

(2) VP under Nixon. Selected Bob Dole as Vice President. Criticized for his pro-Arab foreign policies and Marine helicopter crash in the Iranian desert.

(3) Ran for President when Vice President Jimmy Carter decided not to run. Clinton picked John Kerry as his running mate. Extramarital scandals and use of White House bedrooms by political donors led to his re-election defeat.

(4) Defeated Vice President John McCain in 2000. Launched War on Terrorism after 9/11/01. Defeated Taliban and al-Qaeda in Afghanistan and captured Osama bin Laden who was tried in the US personally by Attorney General Bill Weld. Bin Laden was executed in 2003. Secretary of Defense Sam Nunn advised Kerry against starting war with Iraq but approved gun running operations by CIA that resulted in Saddam's overthrow in 2004 and declaration of Kurdish Republic. Recession of late 2008 hurt campaign of Democratic nominee and former Secretary of State Bill Richardson.


Who was Kerry's VP?
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Nixon in '80
nixon1980
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E: 2.84, S: -5.39

« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2009, 06:44:33 PM »

Kerry's Vice President was Albert Gore Jr. Gore was elected US Senator from Tennessee in 1984 and serve there until he resigned in 2001 to assume the Vice Presidency.

Gore had previously run for President in 1988 and 2000. In his third try for the White House in 2008, he was the frontrunner until the Iowa caucuses that Bill Richardson won by about 250 votes over Gore.

From there, Gore's campaign went downhill. Richardson would win the New Hampshire primary. But on Super Tuesday, Gore was only able to win the states of Florida, Kentucky and Tennessee. Richardson won the remaining states and Gore dropped out at the end of March. Richardson selected Governor Kathleen Kennedy Townsend of Maryland as his running mate. She became the first woman nominated for Vice President on a major ticket.

Rudy Giuliani selected Senator Condoleeza Rice of California (former Secretary of State in the John Warner administration) as his running mate. His choice helped Giuliani win over 30% of the African-American vote and split the female vote with Richardson.



Interesting, and richly detailed, backstory... thanks.

If you'll indulge me... I'm assuming Rudy was Mayor of NYC during 9/11, and his path in this TL was similar to his path IRL post-9/11. But, would he still be seen as having the "9/11 tourettes", since he didn't have a President Bush or War on Terror to prop up for the party?
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Nixon in '80
nixon1980
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E: 2.84, S: -5.39

« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2009, 04:48:21 PM »

Kerry's Vice President was Albert Gore Jr. Gore was elected US Senator from Tennessee in 1984 and serve there until he resigned in 2001 to assume the Vice Presidency.

Gore had previously run for President in 1988 and 2000. In his third try for the White House in 2008, he was the frontrunner until the Iowa caucuses that Bill Richardson won by about 250 votes over Gore.

From there, Gore's campaign went downhill. Richardson would win the New Hampshire primary. But on Super Tuesday, Gore was only able to win the states of Florida, Kentucky and Tennessee. Richardson won the remaining states and Gore dropped out at the end of March. Richardson selected Governor Kathleen Kennedy Townsend of Maryland as his running mate. She became the first woman nominated for Vice President on a major ticket.

Rudy Giuliani selected Senator Condoleeza Rice of California (former Secretary of State in the John Warner administration) as his running mate. His choice helped Giuliani win over 30% of the African-American vote and split the female vote with Richardson.



Interesting, and richly detailed, backstory... thanks.

If you'll indulge me... I'm assuming Rudy was Mayor of NYC during 9/11, and his path in this TL was similar to his path IRL post-9/11. But, would he still be seen as having the "9/11 tourettes", since he didn't have a President Bush or War on Terror to prop up for the party?

Rudy was Mayor of NYC during 9/11. After completing his term as mayor, he capitalized on his popularity by running for Governor of New York in 2002 (George Pataki was "persuaded" to retire). He was able to push through a large income tax cut and a stimulus package to rebuild much of NYC's economy that was affected by 9/11. After the state Supreme Court declared New York's death penalty law unconstitutional, Giuliani got a stronger death penalty law passed that would withstand constitutional scrutiny.

Giuliani was so popular going into 2006 that he was reelected in a landslide with 68% of the vote, a record for a New York Gubernatorial race. His coattails also helped Republicans win the two other statewide offices. Comptroller Alan Hevesi was defeated for re-election by State Senator Serphin Maltese when it was discovered that Hevesi used taxpayer money for a chauffeur to drive his wife to the doctor and to go shopping. Also, Elliot Spitzer's involvement with prostitutes was revealed by the US Attorney's office and it cost him his job as Attorney General. Spitzer resigned in disgrace and former state Assembly Minority Leader John Faso was elected Attorney General.

With Giuliani's ascension to the Presidency, he was succeeded as Governor by Susan Molinari.


So he was the obvious establishment candidate... his "Big State Plan" didn't fall to pieces before Florida... who else ran in the primary?

Sorry to be asking all of these question, but I'm really enjoying this timeline.
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Nixon in '80
nixon1980
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Political Matrix
E: 2.84, S: -5.39

« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2009, 12:10:22 AM »

POD RFK survives

Robert Kennedy (1969-1977)
Ronald Reagan (1977-1985)
Robert Dole (1985-1989)
Edward Kennedy (1989-1997)
Albert Gore (1997-2001)
John McCain (2001-2009)
Barack Obama (2009-

I'm guessing Chappaquiddick never happened in this TL.
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Nixon in '80
nixon1980
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Political Matrix
E: 2.84, S: -5.39

« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2009, 09:09:00 PM »

-Roosevelt does not run in 1912
27th: William Taft (R-OH) 1909-1917
28th: Teddy Roosevelt (R-NY) 1917-1919-died in office
29th: John Weeks (R-MA) 1919-1921
30th: James Cox (D-OH) 1921-1929
31st: Franklin Roosevelt (D-NY) 1929-1933
32nd: Herbert Hoover (R-CA) 1933-1941
33rd: John Nance Garner (D-TX) 1941-1949
34th: Thomas Dewey (R-NY) 1949-1953
35th: Lyndon Johnson (D-TX) 1953-1961
36th: Richard Nixon (R-CA) 1961-1967 -assassinated
37th: Henry Cabot Lodge JR (R-MA) 1967-1973
38th: John Kennedy (D-MA) 1973-1974- Died in office
39th: Hubert Humphrey (D-MN) 1974-1978-Died in office
40th: Robert Byrd (D-WV) 1978-1981
41st: Bob Dole (R-KS) 1981-1981 -assassinated
42nd: Daniel Evans (R-WA) 1981-1989
43rd: Howard Baker (R-TN) 1989-1993
44th: Paul Tsongas (D-MA) 1993-1996-resigned
45th: Dick Gephart (D-MO) 1996-1997
46th: Colin Powell (R-NY) 1997-2005
47th: Bill Clinton (D-AR) 2005-2009
48th: Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-TX) 2009-???

This TL is so great, I want to have sex with it.
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Nixon in '80
nixon1980
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E: 2.84, S: -5.39

« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2009, 02:17:08 AM »

Colin Powell In 2000

Colin Powell 2001-2009
Mike Bloomberg 2009-Present

A Moderate Hero's
My wet dream.
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Nixon in '80
nixon1980
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Political Matrix
E: 2.84, S: -5.39

« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2009, 08:46:46 PM »
« Edited: March 08, 2009, 02:15:15 AM by Nixon in '80 »

Bush Pulls a Rabbit from a Hat

41. George Bush/Dan Quayle 1989-1997
42. Colin Powell/Jack Kemp 1997-20011
43. Bob Kerrey/Angus King 2001-2009
44. Jeb Bush/Kay Bailey Hutchison 2009-

1 Powell decides to retire in 2000, citing his desire to spend more time with his family. Though he enjoys relatively high popularity, he faces an uphill battle for reelection, mostly due to Republicans having occupied the White House for twenty years. Jack Kemp, his Vice President, is defeated by Senator Bob Kerrey.
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